In regards to the twistzz igl angle there was an interview somewhere that definitely gave me the impression twistzz was being developed under karrigan to become igl one day. I think one missed point on jks is twistzz was the one who vouched for him to stand in for faze. Assuming twistzz is gonna try and have a system similar to karrigans we have proof that twistzz and jks can work together in such a system. We might have some slight buy in from jks into the twistzz system already which would hopefully have less issues out the gate.
@@MrMatom5518 degrees C perfect for it not too hot not too cold, west coast of Ireland, hopefully it’s the start of our summer cause it’s not been great so far, what’s it like where you are?
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r Sheesh, that's cold. I'm from Czechia, fully sunny and 30-35 °C past few days, I'm not a crybaby about the weather, but once its gets that hot you either wanna hide from it inside or go swimming. Hope it doesn't start getting worse throughout the summer.
@@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mrYou'd have to go back to the very beginning of his career on LunatiK to find the last time NAF didn't have star roles. This guy has basically always had whatever he wanted his whole career and felt lowkey entitled to it on teams like OpTic. He's just that good; the only NA player even remotely on his level historically is EliGE. Renegades NAF was good, but Liquid NAF was and still is better. NAF had way too much freedom on Renegades and it was overall bad for the team since guys like jks and Nifty got shafted for it.
@@zettour. Brother NAF was hard carrying Renegades. He was the furthest thing from a problem for them. On Liquid, he has almost exclusively played as a small site anchor/lurker, with little to no resources being dedicated to him. Having star output doesn't mean that a player has star roles. And OpTic was 7 years ago. It's time to move on. I haven't heard anything negative about NAF in interviews with teammates/coaches since. Everyone says that he just shows up and does his job without complaint. The only "criticism" I've heard recently is that he's talented enough that he should probably be demanding more.
@@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mr Except that Renegades and NAF both acknowledged that this was a problem, that they didn't fit together. jks had no opportunity when NAF was on Renegades with him. It was only with jkaem that jks was unlocked. Unless you think Renegades, NAF, and the entirety community at the time were just blind? You can be a star lurker. In fact, NAF is the prime example apart from ropz. Liquid has never had a true AWPer so all the resources that would go to one go to their 2nd rifler, which has been NAF since he joined. He plays small site anchor yes, but he also gets ample support from Twistzz and TACO/Stew who are playing actual supportive roles. He also gets the AWP a lot. Also, move on from what? We're discussing NAF historically, so I brought up NAF historically. By the same token, NAF on Renegades was 6 years ago, let's move on?
Naf, Twistzz and jks sound like a very solid core. The risk comes with everything else, keeping Yekindar even though he sucks, rookie unproven AWPer and Twistzz igl? Surely they just had no other options because no star player would wanna join Liquid at the moment.
they don't miss twistzz, they miss ropz. nothing against twistzz, only that frozen has done fine as a replacement, top 10-15 this year, only broky has done better on faze. ropz is normally top 10 but he's been well below his usual this year
I think Phil Foden heard you mate, he looked way better last night. x) But you're right on the England squad/teams having too many "stars". It usually doesn't work out.
Slam dunk signing for liquid and JKS, keeps the Americas rmr still in play, no buyout, and fits a role they desperately need an anchor that can speak English first hand. I bet skulls at times would get lost thinking of English words while getting flashed and shot at. Anchor with no language barrier will help this team out.
am I misremembering things? cause i swear i remember Ax1le has always played some anchor spots ( A ancient, b vertigo, pit inferno) even before the electronic lineup. maybe he lost space but definitely not spots
The whole point with vitality missing a secondary voice and not once is mezii being mentioned? Wasn’t he supposed to solve the missing of magisk by being an igl for fnatic for so long and hyped up to be even more fitting since he now could be the second voice in vitality? Something is dysfunctional if you’re shuffling around for another voice. And for how lang can XTQZ keep his job?
if twisst does o good job as an igl and in 1 year goes to back to faze, that would be on another level move. he waleked the path of going to a worse team and was picked up after he learned
I agree that the “infinite grind” is scientific. However, the quality of grinded hours is not maxed out imo. So many different types of protocols based on neuroscience are untapped. Wonder how good one would get with the neuroscience protocols if started in a young person.
I don't think it's like that. His benching was because he has a set playing style and is unable to change to fit the needs of G2 (more voice and calling).
I don't see why G2 doesn't try and go for HooXi as the main analyst contributing to the playbook with Niko as IGL. If Dallas was any indication that would be a crazy setup (also ignoring Niko's feelings on the matter lmao).
I'm looking forward to Twistzz IGLing. His work ethic and understanding of the game is exceptional, pairing that with the upgrades (in my opinion) to liquid's firepower (more consistent awper, better/more experienced anchor). I think Liquid will surprise a lot of people.
yeah people are sleeping on them way too much, I dont doubt that twistzz will be horrible as an igl, I think he's got it especially with all the experience that he has winning it all and playing under arguably the best igl of all time. Really the only question mark for me is the awper, other than that all pieces seem good to me
1:34:00 Shox was never the best player in the world in CSGO statistically or otherwise , he was pretty good at the start a contender for number one but he kept dropping off until he was so terrible , he couldn't even perform in Apeks then you mentioned Fer which I won't even address bcuz that's just moron talk. Shox was never at the level of Zywoo , at 22 he had already reached his peak and starting to fall off , he should've worked harder and made better career decisions . Where did you get the idea of simple putting more hours than everybody , he was disciplined when it comes to scrims and team practice but individual practice he was pretty average when it comes to matches and hours played , in streams he said he doesn't watch demos outside of blade's requests . People who put insane effort are (based on hours clocked in and matches played , stream talk) ropz , monesy , blamef and Niko .
"Thoorin even had reocourring guest "Maniac" on the show to discuss recent roster moves" - The Score esports probably
you give the score too much credit because they never give credit to the clips they show
Ah I'm stuck for a guest, guess I'll get Mathieu again.
amazing BTN reference
@romic8427 still one of my favourite BTN rants of all time
Golden reference
Perfect I was just about to make food
Realest comment here.
5t trekk@@tigerjoseph
@@mckinleyostvig7135 same gonna make some spaghetti and beef
In regards to the twistzz igl angle there was an interview somewhere that definitely gave me the impression twistzz was being developed under karrigan to become igl one day. I think one missed point on jks is twistzz was the one who vouched for him to stand in for faze. Assuming twistzz is gonna try and have a system similar to karrigans we have proof that twistzz and jks can work together in such a system. We might have some slight buy in from jks into the twistzz system already which would hopefully have less issues out the gate.
Fucking perfect just what I need to listen while working, week 3 of cutting the trees behind my house in half.
What's the temp at your place?
@@MrMatom55 36C where I live. It's crazy hot and nasty..
@@MrMatom5518 degrees C perfect for it not too hot not too cold, west coast of Ireland, hopefully it’s the start of our summer cause it’s not been great so far, what’s it like where you are?
@@misterkefir Getting similar here
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r Sheesh, that's cold. I'm from Czechia, fully sunny and 30-35 °C past few days, I'm not a crybaby about the weather, but once its gets that hot you either wanna hide from it inside or go swimming. Hope it doesn't start getting worse throughout the summer.
I'm glad you guys are optimistic about this new C9 roster. I really couldn't understand the hate I was seeing online.
Nice, was looking forward to some jks analysis. Exciting times ahead.
NAF and JKS will again have role clashes like Renegades.
Then it's time for NAF to finally get star roles again I guess. Imagine him in Renegades form again.
@@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mrYou'd have to go back to the very beginning of his career on LunatiK to find the last time NAF didn't have star roles. This guy has basically always had whatever he wanted his whole career and felt lowkey entitled to it on teams like OpTic. He's just that good; the only NA player even remotely on his level historically is EliGE.
Renegades NAF was good, but Liquid NAF was and still is better. NAF had way too much freedom on Renegades and it was overall bad for the team since guys like jks and Nifty got shafted for it.
@@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mrI feel like that’s exactly why JKS was brought in
@@zettour. Brother NAF was hard carrying Renegades. He was the furthest thing from a problem for them.
On Liquid, he has almost exclusively played as a small site anchor/lurker, with little to no resources being dedicated to him. Having star output doesn't mean that a player has star roles.
And OpTic was 7 years ago. It's time to move on. I haven't heard anything negative about NAF in interviews with teammates/coaches since. Everyone says that he just shows up and does his job without complaint. The only "criticism" I've heard recently is that he's talented enough that he should probably be demanding more.
@@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mr Except that Renegades and NAF both acknowledged that this was a problem, that they didn't fit together. jks had no opportunity when NAF was on Renegades with him. It was only with jkaem that jks was unlocked. Unless you think Renegades, NAF, and the entirety community at the time were just blind?
You can be a star lurker. In fact, NAF is the prime example apart from ropz. Liquid has never had a true AWPer so all the resources that would go to one go to their 2nd rifler, which has been NAF since he joined. He plays small site anchor yes, but he also gets ample support from Twistzz and TACO/Stew who are playing actual supportive roles. He also gets the AWP a lot.
Also, move on from what? We're discussing NAF historically, so I brought up NAF historically. By the same token, NAF on Renegades was 6 years ago, let's move on?
thorin calling out the the comments about him interrupting is 🔥🔥🔥
This podcast as well as the Last Free Nation content with Maui on CS and NBA is so enjoyable to listen to
The fact that there is no HLTV stat for getting information during the round is a huge thing to keep in mind.
Naf, Twistzz and jks sound like a very solid core. The risk comes with everything else, keeping Yekindar even though he sucks, rookie unproven AWPer and Twistzz igl? Surely they just had no other options because no star player would wanna join Liquid at the moment.
Perfect listen while I cook dinner. Thank you for the consistent quality content
Faze misses twists so bad and he’s out here taking over a whole org
they don't miss twistzz, they miss ropz. nothing against twistzz, only that frozen has done fine as a replacement, top 10-15 this year, only broky has done better on faze. ropz is normally top 10 but he's been well below his usual this year
oh god, now I get why my coaches wanted me to play defensive midfielder or left back
I think Phil Foden heard you mate, he looked way better last night. x)
But you're right on the England squad/teams having too many "stars". It usually doesn't work out.
My life would be shit without being able to listen to thorin while i sit n rot at work
got my popcorn ready
Slam dunk signing for liquid and JKS, keeps the Americas rmr still in play, no buyout, and fits a role they desperately need an anchor that can speak English first hand. I bet skulls at times would get lost thinking of English words while getting flashed and shot at. Anchor with no language barrier will help this team out.
Thorin the best
If the Twistzz IGL move doesn’t work, I hope he can transition back to star rifle again. That seems to be pretty difficult.
Yoooo Loving these thumbnails broooo
am I misremembering things? cause i swear i remember Ax1le has always played some anchor spots ( A ancient, b vertigo, pit inferno) even before the electronic lineup.
maybe he lost space but definitely not spots
He was running behind nafany before and then the one running behind boombl4 was electronic not ax1le
@@TopOnTops that's fair, on t side he might've have gotten a lot less space because of electronic.
ct point still stands tho
twistzz knows jks is wayy to talented to be not on a team
The whole point with vitality missing a secondary voice and not once is mezii being mentioned? Wasn’t he supposed to solve the missing of magisk by being an igl for fnatic for so long and hyped up to be even more fitting since he now could be the second voice in vitality?
Something is dysfunctional if you’re shuffling around for another voice. And for how lang can XTQZ keep his job?
if twisst does o good job as an igl and in 1 year goes to back to faze, that would be on another level move. he waleked the path of going to a worse team and was picked up after he learned
I never thought is this the best we’re going to get out of simple 😮
Another great vid, thx, guys. Love u freestyling about CS. Free association with a theme, and within CS world :)
Great episode thx guys
I agree that the “infinite grind” is scientific. However, the quality of grinded hours is not maxed out imo. So many different types of protocols based on neuroscience are untapped. Wonder how good one would get with the neuroscience protocols if started in a young person.
Bro the whole time I thought Maniac was just a French Roger Federer fanboy... but hes swiss. maybe I should look up casters info more XD
football podcast on LFN sports when?
thorin you should be a reaction box up the top on the next feed the trolls that would be so fkn funny lol
ultimate is also ultra aggressive with the AWP, he plays like r1nkle
I was not ready for Niko to do it and he shouldn't have but Snax was not the answer either.
Holy fuck imagine this faze roster when karrigan and rain retire:
Twistzz broky ropz frozen jks
Niko and Monesy will not leave G2 in the near future what is Thorin waffling about
I do not think Niko and m0nesy leave
If you and techgirl did that for April fools, twitter would just clip her kicking you off 100%
8:24 I thought jks was difficult to work with and had ego issues and that's why he was benched from G2
I don't think it's like that. His benching was because he has a set playing style and is unable to change to fit the needs of G2 (more voice and calling).
JKS to Liquid is going to merge the two most insufferable fan bases. The only worse move from that perspective would have been Stew
Nah G2 fans worse
I usually come this early
Love it
27:05 "Allah Twistz" 🙏🙏🙏
No issues with c9 roster? How about 4 Russian speaking guys and one don't.Unless heavygod is speaking Russian
HeavyGod can speak Russian
Okay so hear me out.. Twizzts, Naf, Jks yeah? You boot yekindar and but Elige back and then give Cadian another go with that team
Buy *
Dude Twistzz, Naf kicked CadiaN he won't come back, wake up
Woro2K is FA and he is both awp and igl 🤔
He's surely an easy teammate to work with (clueless)
i think he's going to fnatic
@@moke23 he made it to the major with boros..
Let’s go
I have a weird question regarding twistzz, what's the highest HLTV rank an IGL has ever had?
In CSGO probably FalleN who was nr 2 in 2016 top 20 HLTV
@@MusicJunkie37 And for IGL's without awping against top 20 i think it's gla1ve
I don't see why G2 doesn't try and go for HooXi as the main analyst contributing to the playbook with Niko as IGL. If Dallas was any indication that would be a crazy setup (also ignoring Niko's feelings on the matter lmao).
holy f... this comments scream 15-20 y old kids...
I'm looking forward to Twistzz IGLing. His work ethic and understanding of the game is exceptional, pairing that with the upgrades (in my opinion) to liquid's firepower (more consistent awper, better/more experienced anchor). I think Liquid will surprise a lot of people.
yeah people are sleeping on them way too much, I dont doubt that twistzz will be horrible as an igl, I think he's got it especially with all the experience that he has winning it all and playing under arguably the best igl of all time. Really the only question mark for me is the awper, other than that all pieces seem good to me
Liquid will do what they always do: get everyone's hopes up and then have a horrendous season
You have to incorporate Twistzz's individual level dropping into their firepower
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Zywoo is the LeBron James of CS at the end of his career he'll be the top 1 in everything. You heard it here first.
1:34:00 Shox was never the best player in the world in CSGO statistically or otherwise , he was pretty good at the start a contender for number one but he kept dropping off until he was so terrible , he couldn't even perform in Apeks then you mentioned Fer which I won't even address bcuz that's just moron talk.
Shox was never at the level of Zywoo , at 22 he had already reached his peak and starting to fall off , he should've worked harder and made better career decisions .
Where did you get the idea of simple putting more hours than everybody , he was disciplined when it comes to scrims and team practice but individual practice he was pretty average when it comes to matches and hours played , in streams he said he doesn't watch demos outside of blade's requests . People who put insane effort are (based on hours clocked in and matches played , stream talk) ropz , monesy , blamef and Niko .
I'd watch a trashy reality tv show made up of esports people 100%
maniacs english is so annoying lol