Video není dostupné.
Omlouváme se.
Will the West experience a conservative demographic revolution?
Vložit
- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- In this video, I will analyse the potential impact of substantial demographic advantage that practising christians and jewish people have over the irreligious people in Europe and the USA and what it might mean for the sociodemographic future of the West.
Thumbnail created using mapchart.net
- timestamps -
00:00 - Introduction
04:19 - The decline of religiosity in the 20th century and the fertility advantage of practicing Christian women
25:57 - The high growth sectarian groups
My Patreon: / kaiserbauch
My Buymeacoffee page: www.buymeacoff...
Sources of information for the video:
www.amazon.com...
link.springer....
ifstudies.org/...
www.stmarys.ac...
international....
onlinelibrary....
www.pewresearc...
eprints.bbk.ac...
www.czso.cz/cs...
www.czso.cz/cs...
www.pewresearc...
Photos used in the video:
docs.google.co...
Anectodally, I attend a conservative church in the Czech Republic with services in three different languages. While they are not large congregations, there are many young couples and families. The smallest families have three children each.
That is interesting! You are an expat here?
And I definitely see a surge in young believers in the Czech Republic. I think we will see the impacts in coming decades.
That’s good. As time goes on, maybe Czechia will become a more Christian place, thus becoming more virtuous.
@@kaiserbauch9092 We're seeing a surge of young believers in a lot of countries, we have to stop it before we meet the same fate as Rome and the Sasanids. We're being invaded by these immigrant religions like Christianity and Islam and we need to stop foreign influence taking over.
@@kaiserbauch9092 I don't know about him but the St Thomas Church in the centre of Prague is like this, and full of expats
@@hismajesty6272 Which country became more virtuous by becoming christian?
I was part of a church in the UK that was majority immigrant with many of them converts from Islam. It will be interesting to see how these socially conservative groups fair in the future.
At the point of a sword, I'd join Islam over Christianity. Muslims aren't trying to make my kids into homosexuals and transsexuals and feminists.
I'm not a believer but Christian conservatives sounds much fancier than Islamic ones, good thing there are a Lot of them.
@@polarmouse3943 Don't count on it.
Ive heard of this conversion out of islam too... is that big phenomenom in UK?
@@polarmouse3943
Islam is great
It's not only the Laestadian movement that is strong in the Finnish "Bible belt", but all kinds of other reformist and charismatic Christian movements. The regions of Northern and Central Ostrobothia have significantly higher fertility rates than the rest of the country, and the conservative Christians are probably already a majority in multiple municipalities. The Laestadians generally ban tv, make-up, pop music, alcohol and contraception. Every year, the Conservative Laestadians arrange a mass meeting called Suviseurat, which gathers around 100 000 attendants.
That is very interesting insight, thanks!
This explains why the Russians HAAAAAAAAAAAATE the Finns. They're scared.
Sounds terrifying.
@@colonialstraits1069you mean not sounds AWESOME
wow so cool
Watching these videos makes me feel like I am living inside of a prequel to a Sci-Fi Novel
It sure seems like a prequel, but I wouldn't call it sci-fi, I would say it is just a prequel to a return of good old history to our world, with all the good and the bad.
@@kaiserbauch9092 Personally, I believe that mass migration will have a much greater impact on the future composition of European societies. For example, as many as 25% of today's inhabitants of Sweden weren't born in Sweden. If in Poland or Italy the fertility rate remains at the current, very low level with a simultaneous high immigration rate, it is quite possible that in 50 years the indigenous population of these countries will be a minority there.
@@dariuszgaat5771 that might actually make your societies more conservatives. It probably will in the US. Every other culture is more conservative than the west. Once conservatives in these countries stop being viewed as racist by these immigrants and their kids then the immigrants will shift to the right. Particularly if the left keeps getting crazier.
It is true that the last people of European descent are still projected to be in Europe.
@@dariuszgaat5771 Poland is actually quite strict on who it allows to migrate, blocking out Muslims (Who are a lot harder to integrate than other groups) lots of times (Syrian refugees, etc.) and getting in people from South America, who are predominantly Catholic, European descendent and Latin cultural, so they assimilate quite successfully. Not only that, they take in Ukrainians who are similar ethnically, so another source of successful integration. Italy seems to be doing the same thing now, with the new government advocating for South American immigrants, so if similar Catholic countries follow this example they should be fine (Spain and Portugal might actually be doing the same thing). And contrary to popular belief, the popular stance on immigration has gotten a lot less positive over the years, with rampant Muslim violence. As long as Sweden is in flames it should be enough to sway it's neighbors to halt similar policies (Denmark might be screwed, but Norway and Finland seem to be alright).
If I were to guess, Central Europe would follow Poland's example (or not need them at all due to baby booms such as in Romania / Hungary), and be alright. Scandinavia is medium risk, but seems to be fixing itself. The places at highest risk are likely the Balkans and Western Europe. However, nobody seems to be migrating to the Balkans (possibly geography or general poverty), so they would more than likely be fine. Western Europe has places like France, the UK and Germany, which all heavily take in alien migrants to plug their economic holes, and Spain which is one of the 3 paths to migrate to Europe illegally from the South (The others being the aforementioned Italy, and Turkey who hates migrants [IRONIC]). If Spain can force itself to become more hard lined against alien migrants, they will be fine due to continued Spanish influx from South America. It's France, the UK, and Germany that we need to look out for.
As a young spanish guy, I can see one thing. Young catholics in southern spain are more united than ever. There are a lot of new movements that encourage live with faith, and all of them are growing really strong: hakuna, effeta, camino neocatecumenal...
See you all in lisboa this summer
¡Viva Cristo Rey!
Olvidas que hay gente religiosa que no es cristiana
Respect!
Viva la Franco.
This is great. The same thing is happening in the United States. Vivat Jesus!
It's interesting how young catholics are more conservative than older catholic generations
among younger generations traditional latin mass is much more popular but even those young Catholics who prefer worship in their own language do tend to be much more conservative
If you don't understand what you are saying to the Lord it cannot even be called worship.
@@unsrescyldas9745 i understand some latin but i usually attend novus ordo
people who attend TLM know what they are saying
@@unsrescyldas9745 that’s dumb
@@unsrescyldas9745 people who go to TLM normally have a missel, even if they don't understand latin, they know what's going on
I personally see absolutely no reason to go to a Latin mass, but if it helps your faith, you can do it as long as you don't turn into a cult (unfortunately my uncle was a victim of such a Council of Trent cult, so yes, it does happen).
It is interesting how hypersexual Western culture is, yet how little children it produces. Of course, contraception and abortions are a big factor, but it is really fascinating to me how culture can be so open about having intercourse (even as a transaction) yet look so nihilistic when it comes to actually having babies. Also, no data on it, but I feel than many people are so exposed to e.g. pornography that this probably leads to people being less likely to have children since they either, 1) become addicted to it leading to worse health, this leading to lower chance for a partner, or 2) to seek out intercourse only for the pleasure of it, thus finding likely-minded partners that are equally unlikely to push for children.
As it looks for now, Western progressive culture seems to be on the verge of implosion and collapse, too bad I am too dumb to pin point the exact reason for my belief. All I can say is, I believe if your motto is only to rebel you will eventually rebel against rebellion and end up on the opposite spectrum (sounds kinda like horseshoe theory).
Horseshoe theory is VERY VERY different to what you just described.
Horseshoe theory has nothing to do with people on extreme ends of political spectrum changing sides.
It almost NEVER happens.
It has to do with authoritarianism. What both extreme right and extreme left have in common is their ideological zeal, treating a different opinion as a declaration of war, never accepting someone can have a better idea if it does not conform to yours, forcing your belief on others etc. etc.
In this regard the extreme left has been far more successful in modern times, while the extreme right reached its peak in WW2 Germany.
@@dinsel9691 Oh I meant my last comment in a sense of similarity to horseshoe theory not the example of it, thanks for the explanation nontheless, since I thought that it was more of a general term.
Meanwhile Muslims are very discreet regarding to things like Intercourse and dont talk about it Publicly and see it as a taboo and as something that should only be done or talked about Privately yet they have alot of kids a insane amount of Kids and in General religious areas of the world and conservatives in General tend to have more Kids makes alot of sense if you ask me.
Not only are Western hypersexual cultures producing very little children, young people are having record low amount of sex. Probably only people in Japan and China are having less sex than people in Western countries.
@@hishamalaker491 It doesn't help them. Look at the birth rate in Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. by year. Assuming that liberalism reduces fertility is stupid, fertility is falling all over the world, and the only reliable factor determining this is wealth and education
You have the potential to get very big on this platform friend. Wish you luck from Romania.
Thank you!
Love from a German Protestant! Our Church is rapidly declining 😢 I hope what you said in the video will take place.
Protestants are traitors to the Christian faith. So I have no mercy for you.
@Koolguy
Based and correct
Also EKD here. I hope things get better, I don't want 500 years of German history and tradition to vanish. The fact Lutheranism is declining really saddens me and I'm young (25).
Attendence may be declining, but democratic values, and weasern work ethicd are direct decendent of protestant christianity- so prostestanism is going nowhere annytime soon😎 (hopefully)
the video is a lie, is not happening
Something important to note is that its already happened in France during the IIIrd republic :
The Catholic, conservatives, royalist "western" French were less numerous than the secular, progressives, republican "eastern" french. By sheer number republican imposed their view throught democracy and election from ~1880 to ww1, instauring an anti-catholic politic.
But by the 20's, the better natality of the west started to shift the balance, anti-catholic policy started to be abolished. It continued all the way down till the 50's were Charles De Gaulle instaured the "Republican monarchy", aka the Vth Republic. Basically a state were the parliament is very weak and the governemet is extremly strong, with referendum from time to time to shut down the parliament and the communist in favor of the governement. A giant middle finger to the Easterners and the parlementarian IIIrd republic from old.
All of that in part because the westerner did more kids and they slowly started to impose there own value.
Very interesting insight, thanks for that!
Ok so for the one that want a more detailed version i wrote that 4 week later
*The Progressive Republic.*
The early IIIrd Republic did also had a very anti-catholic and outright discriminatory policy. Catholic were discriminated and discouraged from the administrration. Public school was heavily used as republican propaganda. After the Dreyfus affair in ~1905 wich functionally exterminated the right as a political force, the valves were released :
-Congregation doing education were banned
-Monastery werre banned
-Prayers and religious symbols banned
-Royalist surveilled and, the dumbest of all of this, discriminated from the army (royalist making the prime manpower of officer).
For 15 years le Parti Radical (wich was considered the far left in 1890 btw) ruled with an ever growing majority at every election. Helped by the center before Dreyfus, and then by the socialist after. It was the apogee of the Republican victory.
*The reaction*
In 1912 the left wing pacifism was again ridiculised by the ever more aggressive Germany, despite the many French concession from the progressive and anti-military governement. This started the very first reaction of the right wich was elected president in 1912 (useless but symbolic nonetheless). In 1914, the need for unity among French + the disconcertment in the left and center allowed congregation to be legal again. The previously discriminated officer like Foch and Petain replaced the less competent republican like Joffre. The lack of military budget and competent officers in the early war caused hundred of thousands of unnecessary death. All of this decridibilised the previously ruling party.
After the war, for the first time since decades, the right was the majority, and a super majority on top of that. But even after losing the governement in 1924, the demographic started to kick in. All the "righ wing" republican party slided to more nationalist and catholic idea (the famous far right pipeline). While the old school "far right catholics monarchist" party were relocated on the center right in the national assambly (wich they frankly were since the Dreyfus affair), to the left of the right wing republican. Every time the left attempted to do anti clerical policy she was pushed back and the right even started to undo what the early IIIrd republic did.
-A thing to note is that the left also started to have more and more Catholic in their own rank, especially the socialist in the south-west, wich made really akward any anti-clerical position.
-Another thing to note is that the right become less antisemistic and adopted Republicanism because of the war, but overall she became far more extreme on the rest.
That was it, the right won the cultural war. The woman were right wing because of catholicism, the student were right wing because of nationalism, anti-catholicism was seen as a old grumpy thing, the veteran were basically venered as a "moral elite". Action Française, a far right royalist paper, became mainstream and conversed with almost every important right wing figure of the time (including Degaulle). The left was polically still strong but started to frequently lose election, even in the Eastern region.
*De Gaulle*
Perhaps the proof that it was indeed the demographic change that moved France to the right and not just a classical pendulum beetween the 2 wings : Pétain, the collaboration and Degaulle
The right became a bit to cocky and confident. When the german invaded, Petain profited from the situation and instaured a dictature that actively tracked down resistent (not only communist but also gaullist, royalist, liberal and such), actively gave worker and industry to the invader, handed over French jew etc... The right was just to imbued in the collaboration.
After the war, this should have exterminated the right as a political force and bought left the pendulum. The IVth republic, an even more parlementarian regime, was installed. But the western French (wich were not really tied down to west/east geographic by now) didn't said their last word. Their value had at this point impregnated most of society. Theirs ideas on institutionnals reform were more prevalent than ever because of the weak executive and the never ending bickering between party. The old Radical, liberal and socialist were very tired, and they conceded almost everything on Catholicism and religion.
Then Degaulle came back in 1947. He was the exact opposite of the collaboration so he wasnt really decridibilised. But he was also a catholic, nationalist, royalist-leaning reactionnary. He did his education in Belgium because congregation were banned in France. He litteraly had a correspondance with the legitimate Prince of France and was close to Action Française before the war. He was the embodiment of everything the IIIrd Republic fought against. And now he was gonna fight the IV republic.
The center and the moderate left governement feared him as much as they feared the communist. De Gaulle left politic in 1955 despite the momentum of his party but less than 3 years laters he was called back (again) and French instaured him as a dictator for 6 month in 1958. Just like with Petain, to show how despite the trauma of Vichy France the country sitll desesperatly wanted a strong right wing governement echoing the royalist of old. The assambly was even more right wing than in 1919 and communism was cuckblocked forever from it. Btw France entered one of his most prosperous period economically, demographically and technologically (certainly a coincidence).
*Victory and end of religion*
As for Catholicism, he bought back the congregation, people prayed how they wanted in public, church were maintenaned by the state, catholic private school were helped by the state and the mainstream opinion considered christianism as a prime identity of the country. Catholic were obviously not discriminated anymore from anything.
Catholicism died down of his good death in the 70's and 80's, after undoing most of what the IIIrd republic did. Just like an old men that won his last battle.
Amen
Go on with this!
durin past 30 years french population has stayed same around 50-60million, so what changed in 1950s? I dont think french work as hard as some cultures explaining why there is no time for church. Urbanization happened of course, Im interested did urbanization shift reflect somehow in people religious views (not beliefs but daily life applications) ?
@@jannguerrero do you happen to know if "population decline" has similar explanation? Coz to me that seems obvious, people adapt.
Religiosity is more like 70% amongst "fundamentalists", or what we would call the devout hard core. The more hard core religious you get the more children you have. So if we control for this both the retention will be higher AND the birth rate will also be much higher
Actually this cycle has been going on since... well forever. This cycle is talked about in the Bible, now to be sure I am just mentioning that this cycle is that old. Basically it goes something like this. A society would use what we would call conservative values like monogamy and personal responsibility to grow big and then people within that society think those old rules are silly and were simply made up by a bunch of idiots usually they argue that it was just to control people, They then go on to believe the whole purpose of life is personal pleasure and throw all those values out the window only to find out that in order to do that they have to go back to living the way the way use to before the society became great in the first place, basically going back to living in the slums and then a group of people living a conservative lifestyle overtakes them sometimes by warfare but that is not necessary they just need to use their conservative values and they will out compete them in the same living space. The thing I think is funny about the Left is that they have absolutely have no plan at all for the future and continuing themselves other then we will convert other peoples kids to their cause whether immigrants or peoples kids that are raised in conservative values. They really think that once the voting demographic turns blue then that is it they have won forever.
True. Leftism is a short sighted plan. There's a reason why conservatism was called conservatism. It was meant to conserve
I kinda agree but considering how ideologically captured almost all goverment institutions are indoctrination is very much possible , imagine that your in university for 3 years , your a closet conservative not wanting to get the ire of your peers and profs beacause it limits your networking potential once your out into the real world workplace , 3 years of constant propaganda can very easily convert people especially young adults .
great comment!
Conservative monogamy? Islam entered the chat
It's funny cus Bible is written during the horrificly deadly Bronze age, so the Jewish tribes could afford some wars. Good times, huh :D
It's easy to reject the existence of god when everything you need is at an arm's reach
My family is Mormon, and I grew up with 5 siblings. My mom grew up with 7.
Whenever we get together for family reunions, there's 47 of us in our immediate family. I also plan on having at least 4 children.
Good on you! I’m not married yet but I want children. I’m planning on giving secular liberalism the middle finger! 🎉
Excellent! I wish Europe have such communities.
USA was built by many persecuted christians.
I think you have many interesting churches like Mormon, amish.
Would love to have more churches like yours in Europe !
As someone from Poland I can say that this is highely visible the more religious the people / the more you go to the country side the more children they have for example my family that stayed in Poland has atleast 2 children while the people like my parents that went to live abroad have max 2 children while most of us are practicing Catholics so where you live also makes a huge difference but also like you said the more religious people in my family have more children
That is good!
The subject requires more thorough research. Unfortunately we can only provide anecdotal evidence. I could point you to examples that support your statement and vice versa. Naturally members of Catholic Charismatic Renewal movement tend to have more children but regular Catholics do not. As a third generation big city dweller who keeps in touch with his big family in the countryside (all observant Catholics) I can tell you that they also experience a demographic bust. I would say that on average my cousins have 1.5 children (which would be down from around 2.5-3 compared to the previous generation). Situation is better on my wife's side of the family where I would estimate the fertility rate to be little less than 2.5.
Me and my wife being the only black sheep of our families - me an atheist and my wife nonreligious - have 2 children. Which is more than my religious family but less than hers.
Additionally I'm subscribed to one of nonreligious parenting groups on Facebook and I can tell you that among atheist/agnostic folk who do have children we are lagging behind. The most common number of children per couple there is 2 followed closely by 3 then 1. Of course that would be offset by those unbelievers who have no children at all, however I do not know any personally.
So it is really hard to draw any conclusion from personal experience.
It can be said of Poles who immigrated to Canada generations ago as well!
My ancestors who immigrated to Canada had 8 kids, the next generation 3 each maybe 4
The generation after often 2-3
And the current generation 0-2 kids.
Technically makes sense.
Darwin proved how natural selection can lead to the loss of weak genes.
This can be somewhat extrapolated to psychology as well.
Christians and conservatives have stronger characters and thus they are likely to have stronger, larger and more tightly knit families. As a result, conservatives will end up overwhelming far-left people through numbers alone.
Interestingly, this also explains why far-left people are groomers and want to brainwash children.
@@mateuszsmolarczyk5967 Interesting comments! However, I should note that a Facebook group is self-selected, in this case parents taking child raising very seriously, which possibly favours larger rather than smaller families signing up.
The comments will sure be civil and calm. Great job man!
Thanks! So far, they are not so bad!
Western people are starting to see the fallacy of solely orienting on pluralism.
It is fair to say that since this video was created kind of unexpectedly, I did not deal with all the arguments used.
The hiring of Eastern Europeans in Western Europe is an unrelated topic. Only difference is that now Eastern Europeans have the choice to go to the west and do what they can (nobody is forcing them to go there, it is a voluntary choice of certain individuals to pursue work opportunities in the west). During communism, they mostly just could not emigrate legaly, but if they could, millions would.
Dismantling of socialist industries? They were completely uncompetitive in a market environment, they worked just in the absurd bubble of socialist economy, where things were often made just to complete a 5-year plan, not because they were wanted or needed by the people. And things that were wanted, like cars or a wide variety of consumer goods, were not available. Even a relatively poorer family today can get things like tropic fruits relatively regularly and own a smartphone or a computer. Under socialism, most people might get a banana or an orange few times a year and the domestic indutry could not come even close to manufacturing a normal computer.
@@kaiserbauch9092 aren't you afraid of the power international finance has using unregulated capitalism? Look at how devastated russia became economically over a flash conflict, socialism is bad yes but the economy has already being clutched by the hands of rootless private affiliations who can weave economies of entire countries to their whim. Nothing becoming devoutly religious could do about that since the bible never advised Christians on how they should deal with the likes of Dutch shell or Nestlé
I ask my European brothers, please don’t let your societies die. Come back to christianity, don’t let yourselves be conquered by islam.
they’ll let their societies get conquered by their own foolish decisions,
It’s not islam that’s the problem here, the west and Europe will decline and there’s no way to stop that
Islam would save the European race actually. We would see the return of housewives with many european children
Its the women rights, lgbt, anti conception and feminism that causes low birth rate
@@cmd7930 Christianity had all of that... its just that we have abandoned christ for whatever we have now, but all thos things you mentioned, we had under christianity
@@josecano326 but islam is more hardcore than christianity.
Christianity is a very conservative religion but also very peaceful in its message which enemies of Christianity take advantage of. They know they can mock christianity without anything happening
Islam forces you to respect them otherwise it will cost you your life. Liberals know this which is why they are scared to mock islam.
I dont think Christianity will come back. I would prefer that since my family and ancestors were christian but i dont think it will happen. It seems like a dying religion in europe while islam is only growing and nobody messes with them.
I dont like the arabic side of islam and it would hurt to see europe become more arabized culturally
But its better than europe without any pure ethnic europeans
@@cmd7930 I disagree, I know right now thats how things are, christianity is way more subdued. But look back at the crusades, christianity does not have to be toothless, and it really never has been, its just that after the world wars the west was totally demorilized. TBH I have faith that you will bounce back, sooner rather than later, and I think we are already seeing signs of it.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Your English is wonderful. If you would like to develop more of an American accent, try imitating a slow speaker. It will give you more of a feel for how open and slow our speech is. We draw our words out a bit. Great video! So well researched.
Thank you very much!
Yeah I actually like the way you speak. It is super clearly enunciated and easy to understand. Calm, relaxing, reflective, subtle. Just the perfect style for this style of video. Besides, I love the language and idioms you are using, sounds professional, academic and eloquent. Like a documentary voice or university professor speaking
@@kaiserbauch9092
You sound American
@@tj-co9go I like his accent too. Like listening to old TV documentaries with segments from European academics. However, if you want to grab the attention of a wider audience, should he consider an AI voice over? They sound perfect natural these days
Europe will definitely see a religious resurgence at some point
Christian’s in general tend have more kids on average and they’re definitely more conservative
I come from a Catholic British family and my mum had 6 kids! I’m still only a teenager and I myself don’t have kids yet, but I’d like to have a large family
Also, did to Christian’s being more conservative, it means they don’t take things like overpopulation as seriously.
Liberals on the other hand tend to hold off on having kids due to things like environmental concerns
Hopefully.
That is good and all but there is something called apostasy, a person strays away easily. not everyone walks the same path as his parents.
The biggest problem in the west is leftism. It’s atheistic. It’s post modern. It’s woke. It’s Marxist as this video explains.
religious insurgents even if small families will weight stronger in a childless society, like the medival society, small scale communties
@@unsrescyldas9745
Oh there’s always the (God willing) prodigal sons, but the reality that I have seen is not so dire. My 3 best friends have 6, 8, and 9 children, and all of them have an apostate child. That’s 20 faithful, half already starting their own faithful families, to 3 apostates, none of whom plan to have children.
Your perspective and channel are very underrated given the shortsightedness of politics today
Wish you luck and growth with this channel
agreed!
Thank you! I am just happy that someone likes it :D
Gives me hope to do a anti-rebel stance against my local government
Nah jk but still on it
Nice to see a great channel in its infancy
Thank you!
This video made my day
¡Viva Cristo Rey! 🇻🇦
I am glad it did!
Christ is King
A problem in Germany is that you are not allowed to homeschool your kids
Then move to America
Yes the government wants to control your kids this is how they become leftist
Bruh wtf. I guess I'm never going to live in germany.
Damn that's straight up criminal in my opinion
What a criminal state. May God curse it. reminds me of the Romanian Commies when they said they had the right to every child in Romania.
i’m Belgian (flemish to be exact) after hearing about my northern neighbours (who i consider my own people as i am pro lowlands reunification) have a whole traditional belt going on, i’ll be moving there.
This idea has been explored by the Institute for Family Studies:
"...fertility rates simply are not high enough to offset losses from conversion to irreligion. Data from the 2014 Pew Religious Life Survey suggest that net conversions in and out of American religions lead to about a 16% loss in religious people over the course of a generation. To offset that, religious American women would need to have, on average, 2.44 children each. Among weekly attending women, the true figure is just 2.1; adding in women who are irregular attenders to count all religious people together, religious women in 2019 had a fertility rate around 1.8 or 1.9 children each. With birth rates at just 1.8 or 1.9 children per woman vs. a conversion-adjusted “replacement rate” of 2.44, religious communities in America will tend to decline by about 25% in each generation. If these trends continue, then within three generations (that is, by the time current children in churches are elderly grandparents), religious communities in America will have shrunk by more than half..."
You can find the whole paper online of course if you want a detailed read.
I am aware of the study, I also used it for the video and it is in the bio. As I said, I think that US is more like certain Catholic countries in Europe (for example Poland) that is still in the earlier phase of the secularisation, even though religion is still playing much larger role in the life of Americans than in any European country. But in the study, the statistics that you are citing are lumping together all the religions and religious people. If you for example isolate only non-denominational protestants (especially those over 75%, meaning those groups where more than 75% of members said agree that "the Bible is the word of God") and pentecostalists, they all have higher fertility that they need to grow.
..."nondenominational movements have seen extraordinary growth: they only need to have about 0.8 children per woman to grow, yet in fact have around 1.9. This means they will more than double in size over the next generation, even without immigrants."
I believe this cores of believers are bound to grow over time.
This puts all groups together as he said above, the fertility rate and retentions are lower in these following groups: Mainline Protestants, *White Non Hispanic* Catholic
My family is 7 with 0 loss to heresy. We will conquor.
What's the birthrate for the irreligous group. If you combine the percentage of religious that leave the religion with the birthrates of the irreligious, is it higher than the birth rates of religious after accounting for loss to irreligious.
Basically even if the overall population shrinks, as long as the population of religious born who maintain their religion is higher than the rest of the population, it is still a win for the religious crowd.
it's enough to ban children from going to university. here problem solved
Also because the progressive ideology has become dominant in the West, the young will reject it because the young always challenge the status quo.
Scripture actually supports this relationship. Throughout Proverbs and elsewhere, it's emphasized that a life lived following God's word in wisdom leads to prosperity, the highest example of which is having many children/descendants.
Except that's completely wrong. Everywhere the foreign, Jewish religions have gone has experienced decline because of it. Rome went from the strongest empire in the world to a struggling decadent city in just a century after Constantine adopted religion. The Sasanids had inherited the other strongest empire in the world at the time from the Parthians, and then lost it all to yet another Jewish religion, Islam. The third Reich had the potential to become a new, modern society, but failed because its leader believed in Christianity.
Don't let Jewish immigrants and their religions ruin *your* country, fight back against the decline of society and deport the Abrahamic religions.
@@moth5799 That has to be the most crazy shit I've read since I discovered Twitter on 2016.
@@ab-fi6ks Alright.
@@moth5799 the Reich failed because of backstabbers... not religion lol
@@aeganratheesh Betrayal didn't have much to do with the fall of Nazi Germany.
Militarily they made a really stupid mistake by attacking the Soviet Union, so that's part of the reason they fell.
Religion however did play a large part. Their men were decadent and weak because of Christianity. If they had a strong, non-Jewish religion to lead them then they would have been able to last a few more years (though the combined force of the USSR, the Commonwealth and the USA would have of course beaten them eventually).
Religion + culturally homogeneous environment + socio-economic autarky = healthy natality!
It's almost hard to disagree
Even within pockets of a differing culture they all believe in one or more things compared to outsiders
based
Not even that. Even the first and third are enough, provided that families are encouraged to have children and not discouraged like today
the best society
@@TheSwedishHistorian Saudi Arabia?
I am hoping that in the future Europeans will start making 3 babies per family... I can only hope...
I sure hope so.
Ban abortion and hookeup culture.
I only want people who actually want to raise 3 children to have 3 children. Too many children are hated and treated badly because they weren't genuinely wanted.
@@skylinefever that too!
@@skylinefever then a culture of responsibility and an acknowledgement of the sexual roles that each sex must pursue for the creation of stable families must be championed.
I think as a society becomes more secular and hateful of religion, all religious people will tend to become more segregated socially by their religion. This will have the "Amish" effect of retaining more members as it will be your whole social world.
I feel like there is a potential for a religious revival, should the public hate become blatant enough. During the Roman days, agnosticism was rampant, and the Christians were persecuted, but they actually practiced their religion faithfully and it grew despite (and probably was aided by) the persecution.
@@hismajesty6272 Public hate is reaction to religious hate.
So the Jews hated the Germans?
@@hismajesty6272 romans were absolutely not agnostic. pagan religions are different from Abrahamic ones. It is more about ritual than traditional morals, but they both have those aspects.
@@gamincaimin9954 One could argue that the jewish were envious of the Germans, and disregarded their virtues for profits. Even today the cultural programming is heavily against its the majority of mostly white european, as in actively disincentivising raising ingroup families and traditional values
It has already happened in Israel, Israel used to be a progressive and borderline socialist country, but now it's government and society are one of the most socially conservative of the Democratic world
The next is the USA, there's a very big gap in fertility rate among Red Counties and Blue counties, and this can be seen even when minorities are included, when minorities aren't included, the fertility rate of Blue counties is roughly comparable to places like Japan or Singapore
I noticed that white Urban college educated white liberal women, are, more selective, more likely to abort, more promiscuous, less committed, more likely to divorce, and more likely to be not in relationship with a man
The Jewish community of the United States is already passing through an event of conservatization, and shifting towards a more right wing direction, it seems like the growth of Anabaptists (Mennonite, Amish, Hutterite) Ultra Orthodox Jews, and Rural conservative whites, is going to grow
Latin America
As a Brazilian I couldn't think, but notice that despite our low fertility rate, they are still **very high** in rural and areas, specially in my Native Northern Brazil and Forested areas
Countries like Argentina seem to have similar conditions, with the world oil depletion i can only see a future of a Latin America that's socially more conservative, but economically more leftist
There's an interesting event in turkey where the more conservative Turks replaced the more secular Kemalist era Turks due to very high birth rates, and there's the question of low fertility rate in cities
A event that is not really thought as a possibility is peak progressivism, as society grows too progressive, the children of the progressive are either going to stay equally progressive, or they going to shift to more conservative values, even if a minority then shift, even if children of these new conservatives leave, their small numbers due to "peak progressivism" will guarantee their numbers will be growing, or at least stable,
There aren't any signs of slowdown in Orthodox Jewish population growth
The Israel case is truly fascinating.
@@kaiserbauch9092 the case of Israel is very interesting, but i noticed, it already is happening right now at Ostrobothnia Finland,
I thought the bible belt wasn't start to show signs yet, but in fact it is
I am always fascinated by Israel because they have a birth rate of 3 per women overall, yet the per capita income is estimated to be over $30,000 USD by the World Bank, IMF, and CIA estimations. No other country has a per capita income of that level and have 3 children per women.
@@skylinefever the income is lower in ultra Orthodox Jews, with Bnei Brak being one of the poorest cities in Israel
Secular Jews have 2.2 children on average, however, i believe atheist secular Jews probably have something less than that
It was a terrible tragedy that islamists outnumbered kemalists, but who could know that children of these conservatives were going to hate their parents and embrace kemalist values :)
There is more than enough land in USA to support amish expansion. USA can support 1 to 3 billion people easy.
I've always said this, im 16 and ortrhodox and I have been expected to eventually grow up and have 2 kids minimum, especially if you look in Russia with these massive orthodox families, who are still a minority, but may make up the future, if the state continues to encourage more religious behaviour, and benefit religious people ecenomically, and since Russians are less rebellious and quirky and strange unlike American kids (who literally shoot up schools, only like 1 or 2 school shootings have been recorded in russia, despite the gun laws been quite relaxed).
The big problem is that there is need of 5kids
wow, this is like whatifalthist, but actually good.
He's very egotistical and doesn't know how to cite his sources. He also will say something batshit crazy in the middle of a rant but he has so much momentum you just go along with it. He's good at posing questions but can't structure them.
The scenarios presented in his videos often tend to be highly unrealistic or suffer from issues of oversimplification, making them appear far-fetched. There is a noticeable tendency to generalize and skim over details, leading to unrealistic portrayals. Additionally, his worldview seems to be based on applying Western values, which are outdated, to other countries and regions. For instance, he once made the unfounded claim that ancient Egypt was communist due to its use of slave labor.
His future predictions heavily rely on historical precedent and lack a comprehensive understanding of geopolitics in the modern era. These predictions often reflect a perspective comparable to that of the 19th century, with notions of empires resurging and significant border changes through annexations, favoring the triumph of "superior civilizations" over others.
Despite presenting himself as an authoritative historian who fearlessly presents controversial facts, it is worth noting that he dropped out of undergraduate studies, specifically in history. His credibility rests solely on his extensive reading, but he fails to complement it with independent research or analysis of primary sources. Moreover, despite his extensive reading, his conclusions are often flawed. Adding to the problem, he portrays himself in a manner that enhances his seriousness and credibility, leading many to take him seriously even when he intends to make jokes, making it difficult to discern his true intentions.
There is a noticeable shift in his content towards becoming a right-wing version of a social justice warrior (SJW). He frequently targets SJWs and extreme leftists, despite them being on the fringes of leftist politics. He tends to attribute anything he dislikes to "leftism," even though he supports universal healthcare, which is typically considered a left-wing position in the US. Rather than providing objective insights into history and geopolitics, his views seem increasingly focused on using historical narratives to justify his political opinions.
While it is doubtful that he holds racist beliefs, it is important to note that the concept of civilizations as an inherent characteristic is considered outdated and reductionist by most modern historians. However, he seems to hold the belief that ideologies are inherited, suggesting, for example, that Chinese people are more likely to embrace monarchism.
He frequently contradicts himself and lacks a consistent set of principles. One moment, he criticizes welfare systems in Europe, and the next, he supports universal healthcare, citing an ex-SJW friend. He claims to be libertarian, yet some claim he has expressed support for using tax money to build churches. He presents himself as stoic, but exhibits outbursts against SJWs, who are a vocal minority on social media and hold little influence in the US political landscape. In one video, he mentioned that Nazi Germany "only" killed 12 million people (likely referring to the Holocaust), but then later mentions a figure of 40 million. He even admitted that he stopped creating alternate history content because geopolitics generates more views, implying that his CZcams activities are driven by popularity rather than genuine belief.
The quality of his maps is consistently low, often containing self-contradictory elements. For instance, he labeled England as "German" in one map, referring to its Germanic origins, while simultaneously depicting England as a separate culture in North America.
He possesses a noticeable ego, although it may not be as pronounced as that of other CZcamsrs. This is evident in his previous Reddit and Twitter posts, where he claims he would face ostracism in rural communities due to his supposed intelligence, dismisses most criticisms by accusing critics of cherry-picking and attempting to destroy him through source citations, and demonstrates defensiveness in online interactions.
I'm under 25 and religious, but not Christian, nor orthodox, nor muslim, nor protestant. Pagan instead.
Do the right decision like your ancestors. Convert and accept the love of Christ!
Why do you choose to be a pagan? Curious to know
39:36 Very good point , as an African living in Canada, it’s a similar situation.
European Canadian and African/Caribbean Canadian Christians often unite here against the strong secularism of Canadian society.
For example the only open pro-life Conservative party member running for the leadership of the Conservative party was a black Caribbean Christian woman, and her base was a huge mix of whites & blacks.
It was probably the most interesting thing I’ve seen. It’s unfortunate she came in 3rd place.
.
Thanks for the interesting video, may the grace of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ be with you.
Thank you for this insight!
Here in quebec its rather complicate why we hate the church, but its down to lots of abuse and misplaced trust to the church, like giving them our mentally ill, wich they abused made to work and beated regularly to the point where normal people but with for example depression became inept socially, incapable of talking in public normally, they made them become a shell of their former self, sometime it was gay or sometime autiste or sometime kids wich were dificult or head-on, they broke them
Also our healt and education was all made by them and for them for most of our history
As much as i respect the church i couldn't forgive that like that so easily, espcially when the higher up knew all of what happened at that time
And we wom't talk about the pedophilia wich was protected, we had pedophile priest displaced from france that came here and touched kids here too
Here's an interesting take, you trying to flip your society towards being Christian will incense all the Muslims and hindus also present. That will inevitably lead to religious warfare and correspondingly the death of millions, but since Christians are used to ethnic genocide I'm sure you're already mentally prepared for that.
May the peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
I think the same will happen in India, Japan and to an extent even in China.
Conservative Hindu politicians already hold key positions of power in Politics. Marxist ideas used to be popular among intellectuals in the 70s but now it seems India is going on the path of becoming a Theocracy. Japan will be forced to revert back to Traditional values of the EDO period with Shintoism as it's state religion because of the low birth rates. China claims to be the most irreligious country in the world but some sources suggest there are already more than 100 million Christians and more than double of that Buddhists in China and the numbers are actually rising. So the CCP regime will most certainly collapse once the religious becomes the majority.
I live in China. I can tell that Buddhists are much more at ease with Communists than Christians are, owing in large part to their doctrinal teachings.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Christianity the fastest growing religion in China and far east Asia in general?
@@Reaper08 yes it is.
On top of this the Chinese nationalist support the CCP is relying on is not ideological communist but Chinese traditionalist, if it comes down to hard tacks they would support a return of the imperial system, the central government largely retains their support due to foreign policy, or the fact they consider the growth in the power of China and resistance to the American imperial project to be their primary priority.
The BJP in India is Hindu nationalist, but saying they want a theocracy is ridiculous. I mean for one, Hindu Dharma has no concept of a theocracy, there’s no single set of laws like in Islam with Sharia. A theocracy just wouldn’t work.
I am a christian in Sweden, specifically the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, but finding someone with the same values to date is hard. This is killing us. I couldnt be more happy if this is the future as the current mainstream culture and dating culture isnt the greatest for us.
I think there are many in Utah specially Provo
I wish the best of luck!
There are Mormons in Sweden? I thought that was just a weird American thing
@@sasi5841 More outside of America than inside of America. But the church is biggest in the US and Latin America. Big in the phillipines and many other places. On paper there are about 10000 mormons in Sweden. In practice I would say maybe 3 thousand. We do many young adult and youth activities with other countries.
At one point in the eary church there was more members in europe than america. Everyone immigrated to america in the early church though
@@lucaslevinsky8802 not super interested in moving to provo though, have been there. I might move there eventually depending on life, but its not my first option or something I want. Moving to the US means leaving family and friends in europe behind, and I have friends all over europe from church and elsewhere. I will probably move country for dating to like Norway like a lot of members of my church but I prefer to stay in Europe where I dont have to plan a trip home months in advance and can be more spontanous.
I am not super ambitous, america isnt really for me
I like your point about how the lack of memento mori in modern society leads to irreligiosity. Certainly a truth!
Yes, the examples are plenty!
But I have friends and acquaintances among those in their mid-40s seeing their friends die.
This proves religion is based on fear of death
There are three relevant religious groups in France, of 2 to 6% of the population each. The largest one is the Muslims, overwhelmingly constituted of people of extra-European descent. Mulsims have strong mediatic and cultural presence compared with their relative weight, in part because they are concentrated in big cities. The second one is the practicing Catholics, mostly old people, a silent minority in the mainstream society. The third group, the charismatic Protestant churches, mostly gather people from the Caribbean or Africa. They are still quite invisible today but they are probably the fastest growing group.There are many other religious groups but they are not nationally relevant.
The issue is knowing whether Christians will grow faster than Muslims in the long run, because the latter are supported by immigration while the former mostly rely on conversions. Religion will probably be a very controversial topic in the following years, in a country with a strong anticlerical tradition.
Are Occitans Catholic?
France will be burning, likes its churches, in the coming decades
Les mouvements autocthones de catholicisme conservateur type fraternité pie X sont extrêmement minoritaires ? Ils semblent acquérir une certaine popularité dans une part de la jeunesse. Reste à voir si cela sera impactant démographiquement
@@akiraraiku c’est vrai qu’il y a aussi un "retour aux sources" chez certains jeunes
My home country is majority Orthodox. It was atheist (part of USSR) in the 20th century, in the 2000s though it became ruled by a conservative party and the church's influence grew, however young people in my country don't care about religion in the slightest.
romania?
@@ASErdsasF6aASda6sda4 Russia
According to statistics that’s not completely true. I pretty sure from the statistics that I’ve read that most young Russians are Christian. I it was at 51% if I’m not mistaken. Could be more but 🤷🏻♂️
@@Paul_Atreides maybe they just identify as Christian for cultural reasons.
@@caim3465 perhaps 🤔 But I don’t know why you’d bother identifying if you don’t believe. All I’m saying is that it appears a bit more complex than how you describe it
It is very interesting. I wonder if this can be considered a method of natural selection pushing for religiosity in people
In the past, the groups with moral all-seeing god were more succesfull than other groups in the intergroup competition, since it increased the interpersonal trust. When you believe that your neighbours are following the same moral code as you, it makes you believe to strangers and not just your kin.
@@kaiserbauch9092 Except groups with those gods *weren't* more successful. There isn't a single successful society built on an Abrahamic religion. In Europe we're only just managing to get by because we inherited the last, truly great civilisation in the west, but we've been in decline for 1700 years since then; the middle east fell to shit the moment they lost their traditional values and let the Jewish Islam take power; the USA built itself off Rome originally and was able to do well for a while, but as Christianity and other Jewish influences have become more prominent they've fallen into a despotic state just like the middle east. The only societies today that have a chance to succeed are in East Asia, but that's never going to happen because they're communist.
We will never become a great continent again until we can be united under one leader that believes in traditional, Graeco-Roman values. The last chance we had at that was in WW2, but Mussolini and Hitler made the mistake of supporting the "national" (immigrant) religions at the time, rather than returning to Roman values.
@@kaiserbauch9092Me from India working in sweden , here(co workers) also religious people getting married and having 2-3 kids and non religious guys most are single.
Hey man, your videos are fucking awesome and you are like the edgier European equivalent to whatifalthist. Keep up the great work this stuff is fascinating
Thank you very much!
He sounds Indian...
@@floridaman318he is Czech
@@_archimedes It's all Greek to me.
Whatifalthist is one the most clueless individuals on the internet.
but a huge aspect is the indoctrination in schools and universities
Children bring joy, lightness and light into the world. They are God's gift to us, they allow us to live again, to see the world with wonder once more and to stay young at heart even if we are in older bodies.
The sadness and malaise that characterizes post WWII Europe is a direct byproduct of demographics.
Did anyone think a country where the median age is 48 and 25% are over 60 would be as happy, productive and prosperous as one where there are multiple children for every adult and the median adult is under 30?
Говори за себя, товарищ.
Only when true hard times return and people abandoning the cities for the countryside will we see a return to true conservatism
Maybe you are right.
I somewhat disagree. The industrial revolution has helped a lot of people and should continue to help people. Conservatism also came as a result of people bringing their traditional beliefs to big cities. Before the industrial revolution being conservative was just a matter of normality and decency.
Thank god Czech republic is The most atheist country in The world.
This is another extremely interesting video. I have a few reservations, but it is extremely thought-provoking. What is most interesting is that my state, Massachusetts, seems to fit the European model. In the 17th Century, the Calvinist Puritans ran a totalitarian theocracy, persecuting anyone who had a different religion or who was insufficiently Calvinist. By the mid-18th Century the totalitarian religion lost favor and eventually was replaced [especially in Harvard Divinity School] by Unitarians. The Unitarians lost significant power during the 19th Century waves of "awakenings" that increased religiosity.
In my own life, during the 1960's and 70's, Catholicism had become the dominant religion in the state. However the number of Catholics availing themselves of birth control and divorce, both condemned by the church, was extremely high. Currently, the percentage of the population claiming to be Catholic has declined to just above half, but this state is at the same time the "most Catholic" but also one of the "least religious.' Our culture means that neighbors may not know each other's religion and usually don't care. Of course the credibility of the Catholic church was severely damaged by the child abuse scandals, and the activities of money grubbing grifter pastors, and sex scandals has not helped the reputation of Protestant pastors. When religion is seen to be a scam, or rife with abuse, intelligent educated people will usually have as little as possible to do with it.
I think, you should look more into options to project expected retention given the massive propaganda domination of the left and also the fertility and immigration of muslims.
The Amish are a great phenomenon. They also exist in Latam (Menonites). And they would have lots of land available in Canada and Latam that is not yet used well. So, given retention stays good, they will grow massively.
the amish are a bit too traditional for me lol. Like say yes to rightist social values but the whole technology bad shit is cringe.
@@aurelioboi They are the people of God, believe me. If you don't like their simple, religious life style, it's probably because we've been all propagated massively by sexualising pop music, hippy teachers and atheism.
@@aurelioboi Femboy lmao
I'm starting to think that if there is a religious awakening in the west it will be Muslim in nature. Where I live the Christian/Catholic kids know nothing about their religion... Their Muslim friends know all about their traditions, use religion to build community, etc.
We lost our religion for the most part.
Wrong
Great videos, I would like to add that this Christian effect I believe has a compound effect in that imagine a Christian couple having 3 children, well of those the most religious will far more likely have 3-4 etc and the other 2 maybe 1. So it’s not only retention of population and active continuous compound effects towards faith. It makes sense in that the process of building a family is at a huge number of points and days either rationally insane or supposedly not cost effective, and it takes a huge amount of faith to say to hell with all those things which either way are always changing and can change for the better if we just go for it. If it’s purely rational, then it’s zero kids for sure.
Thank you for this insight!
"If it's purely rational, then it's zero kids for sure." This is a common misconception. For at least hundreds of thousands of years, younger family members took care of their elders. While the "modern" approach is to warehouse the elderly in institutions tended by low-paid caregivers, it's the wise younger people who have at least one or two children instead of zero. Those children can then at least monitor the care their elderly parents receive. Patients in these facilities with no children to check up on them are lower priority as there is just less accountability for the caregivers. Sad, but inevitable since "the squeaky wheel gets the grease".
As for the issue of religious faith and compounding effects, this makes a lot of sense. I have been a regular churchgoer my entire life and my wife and I now have four adult children and the grandchildren have started arriving. Meanwhile, one of my married sisters never attends church and has one adult child who is very unlikely to birth another. The other married sister has two adult children and I'm comfortable predicting at most three grandchildren will result from them. I'm confident of dying only after the birth of at least 12 grandchildren, given the attitudes and behavior of my four adult children. At least half of those 12 grandchildren will likely be regular churchgoers, thereby outnumbering their much less likely to be churchgoing cousins by two-to-one. If all 12 grandchildren were regular churchgoers, then the advantage would be four-to-one.
"Saying the world has too many children is like saying it has too many flowers." - St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Religion is a great way of keeping birth rates up when industrialization and urbanization remove incentives to have children. Before industrialization and urbanization, children were free ranch hands and pension plans. There was a rational incentive to have many of them.
@@amerigo88 wow, very interesting, thanks for the answer!
@@skylinefever very true, there is much which depends on this religious perspective. On the political side I still think it’s strange that many countries with abismal perspectives don’t have GDP targets as in 1-5% redistributed to child rearing. Perhaps there is a strange effect of not seeing actual population numbers fall still yet bc of ageing but of course how many children will we have between 40-85? and I mean 85, in Madrid region in Spain average life expectancy of women I think is practically 85 already.
Something you fail to take into account is that children of irreligions families are extremely unlikely to become religious, while children of religious families will abandon their religion (in small percentages). Meaning that even if there is a higher birthrate amongst religious people, it becomes less impactful due to the amount of people who renouce their religion.
This is however mostly a problem with the education system, and we are seeing a rise in home education as well as a groundswell of Christian conversion in the younger generation that is largely invisible as they are disenfranchised from the liberalism of the churches, though there is the issue that this is overwhelmingly a male phenomena.
He did mention a religiosity retention rate of 25-50% (possibly genetic/hereditary), though I don't have a timestamp.
Something regular church going does, is it plugs a person into a stable community, which isn't based on whether or not someone likes you, but on shared values, the belief in family and marriage being two of those values. I'm sure that would influence a woman's willingness to bare children.
I agree.
At this point, one can only hope…
I don't see it happening tbh
@@savioblanc why?
hahahaha
I can also imagine that there will be a religious pushback mainly because of a conservative pushback. Not the other way around, and wokeism is the main reason. I (24, male) considered myself like 80%lib and 20% conservative a few years back, now it is the other way around. Neither I nor any of my ancestors of the last two generations (except my congolese grandfather probably) were religious though and I do not plan to teach my kids (I want to have many) religious stuff (except the historical parts of course), they are going to grow up conservative though with lots of family values, patriotism,… At least I would consider a mildly christian wife a possibility now because even 1% woke is too much and there most of my values would be honored more.
That's completely fair enough I think
Nope , this is dumb, I live in a very conservative region full of very conservative Muslims, and the number of children they have has nothing to do with religiosity or the traditionalism of the setting. It's clearly determined by the material conditions associated with their life. For example, if you've grown up in a vilage a family of 8 is normal, you not going through education is normal, and early preganacy is normal, regardless of the religion. If you grow up in the city a lot of things change, smaller families are normal because kids are not useful anymore in the field and are now a bit of a burden financially, education is normal because industrial and white collar jobs are a lot more demanding intellectually. Even the way people are conservative changes depending on material conditions . If you want lots of babies make sure people have time and opportunities to form meaningful relationships , and dont make childcare a financial death sentence because most people want children if given the chance, liberal, leftist or conservative.
Yep, this whole video is nonsense. I understood that once he started talking about The God Gene theory. To even suggest that belief in god is hereditary whatsoever is actually hilarious.
Maybe your propensity to become religious is linked to your personality. Which is estimated to be like 30% hereditary but even it still wouldn’t matter because of the other 70% estimated experience and knowledge that makes up your personality.
The foundation of the God Gene Theory was proposed from evolutionary psychology because of a lack of an explanation given for why people continually choose to be religious.
The answer? Socio-cultural and social psychology. Simple as that.
@@AizakkuZ there’s a good chance people are wired to be religious or in religious like states. But it still doesn’t mean anything, because that religion and it’s interpretation will mirror the environment. So a religious muslim that grew up in a urban environment is different from a religious muslim from the countryside. So viewing this problem with just the religious aspect is reductive as fuck and shows bias worse than religious books, funny enough. People are complicated, the social structures they create and the way they live in them is evem more complicated , so thinking about one factor and generalising is probably not gonna give good results.
From what I have seen, and this holds true across the board with all kinds of religions, the more fundamentalist they are, the less their children follow in their footsteps if they are not segregated societies. If a child is brought up under religious restrictions that go against the main surrounding society (i.e. not being allowed to watch regular kids shows, not participating in regular social functions, having to dress conspicuously different than the rest of the population, etc.) the more likely they are to abandon their parent's version of their faith, and most give up religion all together.
Are you German? I am an American woman but lived in Germany for about a year and then have been living in Austria for the past 4 and plan to go home soon. Your analysis is spot on to what I have noticed here and while America definitely has problems I think most western European countries don't have a future as what they used to be. It's clear from looking not only at demographic pyramids but also the fact that most of the babies being born have been getting more and more non-native for a long time. America's identity is changing too but we don't have the population all gathered in urban centers. In Austria I think many of the small towns will be deserted once the baby boomer generation passes. And then what youth are left will probably have to go to the cities too. So while the state of American cities is BAD in general, it's not ALL we have.
I don't know about Austria, but Europe in general is less urbanized than the US but the good thing about the US is the central area is so sparsely populated.
I am Czech.
Thank you for this insight!
felt the glimses of future, gr8 work.
Thank you very much!
I can clarify the color distribution on religiosity on your map of America. Starting with Florida. Its a strange state because the more south you go, the more north you end up. Its a southern state, but the demographics of its northern and southern halves are radically different. This is because south Florida is filled with Spanish immgrants and transplants from northern states like New York. The north part of Florida is basically Alabama. Another thing to notice is tgat tge most religious states are mostly former Confederate states. This isnt an accident. Cultural Secularism in its current form in Europe is the product of America academia. It has infected Northern America and exported out to Europe. The Southern States are resistant to this colonization because of a lingering distrust of yank institutions. So it makes sense that it mimics late adopters in Europe.
The South is maybe at most, 1% less degenerate than other US regions. I see practically the same immodest behaviors amongst "Southerners" that I see in other Americans. I don't see your point at all. What Americans need to grow birth rates are more semi-isolated religious conservative communities preferably in the manner of the Orthodox Jews. I'll give an example, there's a somewhat large Orthodox Jewish community in Portland, OR (around 50,000) that seems almost untouched by the perversions of that highly liberal city. Why? They have community, it's their tribe and we all know that blood is thicker than water which really gives them the extra natural God-given push to procreate and preserve themselves.
@@VainakhQuranitesIf you favour such communities that don't integrate with the rest then you will not end up with a strong country but with pockets of isolated communities that distrust one another and in competition. In other words, what we have here in the third world.
I have my doubts. As an American, religion has fundamentally taken a hit with women being less religious than men which is extremely abnormal. There are worries that it might doom the church faster.
As for the future of the west, I do not believe there will be a conservative demographic revolution, however I do see a revival of religion. I've been developing an idea for about a year now that the New Left one of the four pillars of the Western Intellectual Pantheon including Classical Greek philosophy, Christianity, and the Enlightenment. This truth became so apparent that I can't unsee it as it is in everything. I agrue if look at how the rest of the world views things like our multiculturalism, feminism and LGBT rights, they view it as an western import. Part of this can be traced back to core christian principles; I'm basing this off of Tom Holland's Dominion. As he argued, this culture war since the sixties is actually a Christian civil war, and furthermore, 1960s is the greatest period of ethical and moral change within Christianity since the Protestant Reformation. I think this will become increasingly clear as we move to a more multi-polar world. Look at how China banned effeminate men and Russia had the Spanish embassy made a tourism man highlighting traditional values. I feel like the core of the West's civil strife today is the denial of that reality an implications. We even see this in Poland; this is calling from the antidotal evidence of Rod Dreher who is an American Christian conservative who laments America's religious decline. Talking to young religious Poles, he states they feel their country is going in the way Ireland soon. I think the situation we are in is similar to the axial age. Thus in west, I believe Christianity will mix new left influences plus deism, Buddhism, new age gaia-ism, astrology and Jordan Peterson psychoanalysis. Those in the West would call it Christianity, but those who follow were more traditional faith would call it an antichrist religion. Thus I wouldn't be surprised in the future if conservative western sects go to space to escape religious persecution
Women aren't less religious, they just put their religious energies into the woke religion. Their gods are abortion, immigrants, minorities, animals, the environment, equality, feminism.
A religious revolution / radical change is inevitable. The axial age changed the old religions of the Bronze Age, Christianity and Islam swept through and replaced the Greco-Roman pantheon and Zoroastrianism, and I'm certain the old Bronze Age religions replaced something previous / evolved from something previous. That conservative Christianity will eventually be replaced is inevitable. Since America enshrines "freedom of religion", I can see the replacement being Christianity syncretized with a bunch of other things. (In a way, it'd be a neo-polytheism, with figures like Jesus and Buddha being key figures in the pantheon, rather than Zeus, Ishtar, or whoever).
Course, said syncretisation could very well include a lot of "conservative values" finding their way into it. KaiserBauch here isn't wrong to point to the image of the "young, happy church-going" family ultimately replacing the "old, strict nun" as the image that people have of religion. As is, I see a LOT of complaints on the internet about how "people don't care for the struggles of young men", people being isolated, lonely; and while I've got my own struggles with sexlessness and finally getting established in life, being a church-goer means I've still got community and support.
Poland is around a decade away from becoming Ireland 2.0
Ireland, on the other hand, is entering a new stage altogether.
Yes. Christian Orthodoxy appeals to a larger percentage of each sequential generation.
I am Atheist, do not believe in the concept of Relegion.
But I support Capitalism and hate Marxism.
Right Libertarianism is the Idealogy that I like.
Legit.
The irony is that most "atheists" worship liberalism and secularism like a religion. I met very few non-ideological atheists.
Why not Just libertarism, let People live and live, right libertarism Will not be libertarism if you push religión and discrimination
Good analysis. However it ignores the possibility, that, under the pressure of economic decline and crippling aging as well as the influence of new technology, completely new religions/ideologies/schools of thought will develop to fill the demand for meaning and guidance.
I have a couple thoughts on that but I'm a little bit hesitant to hypothezise what these can be.
That of course is possible! It is very interesting to think about, but I probably do not have the imagination to come up with something like that.
@@kaiserbauch9092 Ok, I have too much time since I'm sick, so I write something interesting about this. The current era (postindustrial, urbanized, service-based society with a low birth rate problem) is a completely new and unique circumstance in history. Times of that much change to the fundamental way human societies function are usually the times when completely new, previously unprecedented Religions and Ideologies spring up. For example, when people switched from hunter-gathering to farming they largely stopped worshiping nature ghosts and the "human-like" pantheons of the ancient world appeared. Similarly, the appearance of secular ideologies like modern humanism, fascism, and communism is caused by the switch from subsistence farming to industrial-based societies. Till now, we could (partially) avoid this by sheer consumerism (the good times have brought about weird things like social justice ideology). I think that Europe will remain largely the same for roughly another 10 years or so, after which the transformation will begin. This is because, in roughly 10 years, the first wave of important nations will be rolled over by the "grey wave": for example Italy and PARTICULARLY Germany. This means that from that point on EU Funds, the thing that keeps much of Europe in the current order, will start to dry up. Without these and simultaneous massive aging, as well as even more out-migration (I saw a prediction where almost all of Spain, except a couple of metro areas, are projected to have more than 70% of their Population over 65 by 2050) will cause socioeconomic collapse in places like Italy, Spain, Greece, most of the Balkans and orthodox Eastern Europe. I think that this will cause a generational struggle, where people below 40 will riot in the streets as the living conditions nose-dive. The old will be blamed for having failed the system (as well as migrants). Democracy will eventually self-destroy itself there, since the old can always outvote the young until the country collapses into street riots and most likely military coups and revolutions. Much of Europe will, at first, probably adopt ideologies that will be composed of nativism (either in the form of natives of that country first or maybe a more pan-European "white homeland" ideology), nationalism, ruralism, pro- natalism, etc... Charismatic autocrats and juntas will probably succeed the democracies, especially in Southern Europe (border lining fascism in many cases). I'm also almost 100% sure that Muslims will be the group by far most affected by this (This is because they believe in their own cultural superiority too much to make a long-term alliance "among equals" with non-Muslims, thus being perfect scapegoats. Add to this that Islam is viewed quite skeptically among the majority of native Europeans.) I can see an Ideology develop that glorifies rural life, village community, and ethnocentrism with significant influences of new age philosophies, Buddhism, neo-paganism, and highly individualistic spirituality. (I know personally so many people that subscribe to something like this...) This assumes that there will be some sort of partial counter urbanization, as economies in the cities nosedive. The Catholic Church in Southern Europe and the orthodox church in Eastern Europe will likely die since they are: a) too old and b) heavily associated with the current political establishment. Our current consumerism, as well as modern expressions of culture, like art and architecture, will be denounced as fundamentally bad and be seen as a weird excess of their age. This is in the short run (so the next 40 years or so). Looking at longer time scales (so the next 100 to 200 years or so) I think we will see the rise of completely novel Ideologies, based on new technologies that have the potential to fundamentally change the human condition. These may sound ridiculous now. As ridiculous as our modern world would sound to the average "gentleman" from 1823. One guess I have is an Ideology that would be based upon the belief that AI (so algorithms) is the best way to structure human society, since it is more logical than the human brain and thus eliminates its deficiencies. This would be combined with a fundamental fight against human nature (maybe even with invasive medical methods). Another future belief system, that I think will be one of the most powerful in human history, is transhumanism. Technologies like gene editing will, when fully matured, make it possible to completely change basically every aspect of human nature (and the rest of nature). Countless Ideologies and societies will form around that, taking mankind in different directions. A Method/Ideology that gives you the opportunity to be some never-aging demigod and your group to literally become the superior race will be irresistible at some point. This comes with the downside of the high likelihood of massive warfare and genocide. Just look at how, for example, only marginally more wealthy or powerful groups in society are oftentimes behaving towards their social inferiors, especially if there are no cultural norms in place to regulate that. So I think that this kind of social structure and philosophy will ultimately have to be coupled with some kind of morality or spirituality. Sorry for the long rant. Some kind of answer would be very cool (maybe you can even make a separate video on a topic like this). I want more intellectual input on this kind of subject. Things like that are rarely discussed today, since our culture is quite short-sighted.
@@user-uf2df6zf5w I think you’re right for the most part and you should check out what’s called neo-medievalism. From what I can see from the data that the future presents is more likely.
@@Paul_Atreides "Neo Medievalism" is really an interesting concept. New universalist ideologies rising might create an order like this (in addition to that: while we might see a reverse into nationalisms in the short run, I think that in the long run, the classical nation State will get weaker ).
@@user-uf2df6zf5w yeah I agree. I’m personally happy that the modern secular world is more than likely going to collapse and that some sort of neo medieval world will emerge. I honestly can’t stand the heavy amounts of bureaucracy that encompasses the modern nation state and I’m glad it appears to be coming to an end
I knew about all of these things in the video except for the communities in the Netherlands and Finland and did not know the extent of European religious people having more kids as I thought it would be lower however the US's Amish and Haredi communities I knew about, they will probably become the majorities in the Eastern parts of the US. By 2100, the Haredi population will number 12+ million and estimates have said 9 million for the Amish. ALHAMDULILAH!
Great work man, you are 100% gonna blow up watch and this video, as demographics become more of a mainstream problem, will blow up trust me.
Unless these groups change, it will not be a net good. If they don't integrate with the rest then you will not end up with a strong country but with pockets of isolated communities that distrust one another and in breeding competition with one another. In other words, what we have here in the third world like Sub-Saharan Africa...
both my sisters have children, all together 4 boys and 1 girl, it is unlikely that there wil be more in the future but there may be,
I have mild autism which has not done me any favours on the dating scene but I do my best to find a good person and will go only for someone that I feel confident about
@gu Cruz Indeed the gym is a must if you are traditionalist of any sense. If you see a traditionalist that is fat or really skinny you don’t take their views seriously
@@Juan-qu4oj I am pretty buff, not from the gym but i've been working in asphalt since i was 12 and working in general since 10.
I mean i have gone to the gym as well, used to go every day, then i did some home training (covid) but I would say that being fit is what's important, being shredded is a great goal but it shouldn't come in the way of important aspects of a healthy life either
I’m remaining agnostic until we have more data on retention rates.
Technology like the internet has had difficult to measure results on things like retention.
Who knows what impact revolutionary technology in the next upcoming decades would have on how people identify.
I also suspect that the “conservative” of the future will be very different from the conservative of today, in the same way conservatives of the 1950s are very different from the present.
How has Internet made it difficult to measure retention rates? What are you talking about?
@@dinsel9691 the internet exposes people to mountains of content of every viewpoint, bias, perspective, and philosophy at a speed that we have never seen in all of history.
How does one quantify such an effect on the development of human identities?
I wonder if future anthropologists and sociologists 100 years from now will scour old internet archives via their equivalent of the “way back machine” to slowly piece together an exhaustive explanation of the total societal effect of the internet, if that’s even possible.
@@xenoblad Most national statistics on religiosity show a steap decline from the 2000s onwards. I think the internet is a great factor in this.
Another interesting think is that sexlessness, the decline of youth pregnancies ect. has seen a massive drop in the years following 2008, the invention of the smartphone...
@@user-uf2df6zf5w sexlessness is having a huge increase since the last decade. Btw religiosity is increasing in Europe due to Islamic growth.
Sure, I do not know for sure how it will work out. As I said in the video, the scenario of secularisation progressing further and eating of the demographic advantage of the churchgoers is plausible.
You have completely ignored Orthodox Christianity. The 2011 census called this the UK's fastest growing religion with a 125% increase in 10 years. Let alone the traditional True Orthodox Christian variety to which I belong.
I think Eastern Orthodoxy is also the fastest growing denomination in the US as well.
@@danshakuimo I think the fastest growing religion in America is Orthodox Judaism 😅
Isn't that due to immigration?
This just makes sense atheist have nothing to believe in or to pass down to their children and people will seek something to believe while conservatives will continue
I hope so.
No. They have their morals, culture, ideals, political beliefs...
Their self-hatred of their own history and ethnic group have developed into a hedonistic sucide cult, a slow death of self serving stimulation
@@timurtheterrible4062"Morals, culture, ideals and political beliefs', that are all easily subverted and change like the wind.
@@chico9805 First of all, that is irrelevant to the original point (that atheists supposedly have nothing to believe in). Second, religion can be subverted pretty damn easily too. Third, this malleability is a good thing. It means we can learn from our past foibles and, say, abolish slavery.
Praying for something like this from a practicing Christian from 🇮🇳
Not going to happen because of fake Christians in India
Rice Christian india become muslim country not Christian.
@@Moonuuuok hindu troll
Dude thanks for your pronunciations efforts and these very interesting analyses. Keep up the good work.
Glad to have this hopeful outlook, just unfortunate we have to live during the downturn.
Makes me wonder that dispite religious women having higher natality, the amount of religious peole in Europe is generally declining. What is happening? Maybe it means that their children aren't as religious in adulthood.
Because while some people can see benefit to strong communities and positive outlook on life, old dogma is offensively not up to date with observable science, even though some of the tales have universal wisdom to them. We need total cultural reform, people are not believing your old books, not truly, unless they’re mentally unstable and get swings from one addiction to another.
@@zer0homer yeah lgbt is scientific lol
Just like male and female equality and no racial differences
Very scientific /s
Because there are like 22 trads in total in Europe
@@zer0homer
Sceincism is the problem, dumbass, not the solution.
A lot of children become atheist in their teen years.
I hope and pray this means Europe and the West will survive.
Great video brother. I didn't realize that the fertility rate among Religious people is so much higher. This gives me hope for Europe as it seems inevitable that Europe will become religious again at some point.
There is also a small trend of religion/tradition among younger people as a countermovement to the modern degeneracy and things like gender ideology.
if they manage to outbreed the muslims. Otherwise, we'd be seeing another Bengladesh or Iran situation where sharia law is imposed and all other religious and ethnic minorities (aka ethnic europeans) are either converted, exiled, or killed.
I'd say the biggest threat to Western European and European society in general, is immigration. Indigenous replacement is dangerous for culture, religion, way of life, society, and the economy. America and Canada have their own problems, we should separate them from Europe.
Mass immigration wouldnt happen if we had a healthy birth rate but we dont have that because of womens rights
Remove womens rights and make women traditional housewives again. Then our birthrate will go up and we dont need immigrants
America is not as extreme. Canada will be majority immigrant before 2040 for sure
@@overdose8329 the logic of open to immigration makes sense in the US and Canada, everyone is an immigrant, even the native Americans and First Nations people who immigrated from Siberia through various land bridges that used to exists connecting northern Asia with Northern America. And america and Canada have there problems with mixing as you can see. But for europe, open to immigration makes no sense.
@@cmd7930 Japan and South Korea have extremely low birth rates, yet refuse to open up. I love seeing globalists get pissed off when those countries tell the UN to get lost.
Immigration is the number 1 problem, nothing else is even close. The survival of Native Europeans is at stake and if immigration does not stop there will be Rwandan style slaughters of Native Europeans.
But when there is 3 million non-religious women having kids and only 250,000 religious women having kids, it’ll take a while. Plus, with public school indoctrination at least half the regions kids will mutate into non-religious creatures
For example on Czech Republic, 1.4 for irreligious and 1.8 for religious women, except 99% of czech is non religious so
Sure, this will be slow process that will take couple more decades before eventually being significant in the society, after 2050. It is not 99% to 1% though, it is like 10 % to 90%, which is difference. And I do not think it will result in christians having majority, but increasing their share from the low levels of today to something higher, like 30% maybe. And if this 30% would be relatively fundamentalist, that would change the debate significantly.
No it won't. Religious families 6/12 kids not 2.
Never underestimate the power of a differential fertility rate sustained for even as short a time as 100 years.
Wow this comment section needs to touch grass and seek help
Anime pfp spotted, message rejected
The map @8:45 I would have to say is wrong or bias. I say that because the British Social Attitudes survey had Christianity at 40% and none religion at 52% in 2017, within the UK. It may just come down to the way the question is asked.
My one criticism is that he doesn’t bring up fertility of Muslims in Europe in conjunction to rising migration from the Middle East
Absolutely this is the end of Europe.
There is a huge drop in the middle east fertility look it up
@@a_aron.dapupperenthusiast still higher than Europeans
@Casper Sams Not all that much higher, and it's quickly dropping in tandem As a lot of these countries are secularising
@@rebellefleur2993 the only way it can be reversed is war
also changes that second Vatican council brought to Catholic church basically maimed it in more and more hostile times for catholicism
It would be interesting to see TFR data broken down by "public school" vs "private school" vs "home school". In the USA, public schools are overwhelmingly run by progressives (to the extent that teachers donate 20X more money to Democratic candidates than to Republican ones). This makes it possible for anti-natalists to spread their culture (through conversion) in spite of having lower birth rates.
Hard to know if that data would be meaningful. It'd be difficult to determine is home schooling helps fertility or if it preselects for groups who would already be high fertility
A notice to everyone. All of these are just predictions. They won't happen if you don't get your butt off the Sofa.
Yeah its up to us to make it happen
But, if the younger generation is outnumbered by the older generation, yet *still* is succeeding in promoting progressive values, their position will only become stronger as that older generation dies off and this handicap is removed...
yeah and then their retardet policies lead to demographic collapse and suddenly the next generation becomes ultra conservative
the demographics of my 3,000 person conservative nondenominational mega church in NoVA are like a barbell. we have an enormous boomer cohort, probably 20-25% of the church is 65+, and another 30-35% are in middle school or younger. many of the young ones are from families of 4+ children and are homeschooled
Good to hear that.
Now we have to factor in the fertitlity rates of Muslim women in Europe, which is around 2.9 children per woman in many European countries. Giiving enough time Europe will be islamized in several decades. Such calculations and predictions derived from them are naive fallacies.
According to the most detailed data, there likely won´t be an islamisation, but I think that it will atomise western European societies and they will loose social coherence.
Studying Demographics is interesting, but it can become horrifying very quickly.
Me from India working in sweden , here(co workers) also religious people getting married and having 2-3 kids and non religious guys most are single.
People left religion in the 20th century, and you talk about all the possible explanations of what *the people* did, but not the churches. In America, the churches that people are leaving don't deserve to have congregants. They're manipulative, exploitative, and extractive. I left one of these religions, and am much better for it. But I desperately miss many of the social, communal, and moral aspects or religion. If there was a moderate church/religion that focused on community, family, and personal flourishing, I'd join in a heartbeat.
Hello brother, you could try to reaserch orthodox Christianity. We are focused on traditional families, community as a whole, and personal flourishing is done with the help of Jesus Christ.
This is only a suggestion, be careful and find a good church!
Děkuju for another good video. Keep up the good work :)
7:25 This guy is the best businessman in Poland 😆
Thanks! I will!
how long till we see baby factories? kids with no parents, popping out of a machine. we will prob have a special name for them . I have a odd feeling it already happening
I do not know, but I think that it that would be the case there would be higher birth rates.
@@kaiserbauch9092 ya cus we would already be seeing those children? cus they would started awhile ago? its hard for me to imagine a authoritarian government not looking for solutions. I had no idea are demographics world wide were so unhealthy.
also you make great content, thank you.
I look at mainland China and wonder if they will do that. I jokingly said that mainland China will become "The People's Republic of Gilead" to raise birth rates.
The one child law was removed several years ago. The CCP is screaming for people to have more than one child. However, birth rates are lower than ever.
They had "Hatchery and Conditioning Centres" in Brave New World, guess these things might become the reality lol
battle royal between single mothers & migrants vs Christian 2 parent households with 5 kids
as for Catholics, I suspect there is a difference between "mainline" catholics and Sedevacantists/sedeprivationist groups like SSPX or the IMBC, let alone conclavists like the SSPV or the more moderate FSSP. I can't however find anything much about them online, might be worth looking into it, though.
I will look into that, I have to admit that I am not familiar with it at this moment.
@@kaiserbauch9092 it's fine, most people outside catholic circles don't really know about either of them. And even then, most just know them as generally "traditionalist Catholics" that do weird things like praying in Latin and chanting during mass
sspx is not sedevacantist.
I am a traditional Catholic and have been since I was 16 . My family converted from High Church Anglicanism when I was 11 and I abandoned mainstream 'Catholicism' because it is unattractive, uninspiring, and, most importantly, it is not actually the Catholic religion as believed continuously for 2,000 years, but a new conciliar religion, founded at the Second Vatican Council.
I must correct you as, although you somewhat astoundingly actually know the names of our groups (including the more obscure ones like the IMBC and SSPV), your information is not correct. The SSPX is not Sedevacantist; they recognise Francis as Pope but resist the changes. The SSPV is most certainly not conclavist, nor even strictly Sedevacantist; they believe that the status of the Papacy must be ruled on by the Church in the future, but they are practically Sedevacantist.
As to the questions of this video: there are differences between us and the mainstream. Traditional Catholic families tend to be large by modern standards; having eight children is not unusual. We tend to think of families as very large when there are around twelve children. However, it is commonly accepted that losing at least one child to the modern world is to be expected, even if most continue to practice. However, in this we are not that dissimilar to the devout 'conservative' Catholics who accept the new Mass. Where we are dissimilar is that young right-wing (being opposed to democracy and mass immigration) young men (I've met them as young as 16) are attracted to traditional Catholicism. Young women are also more likely to want to get married and have children much younger than is usual, though it is a complaint of men of my demographic and younger that traditional women often seem to have difficulty ridding themselves of all Feminist influences (for example, they often still go to university and get jobs).
@@augustinepinnock7740 based
Well, almost all people were very religious/ultraorthodox some 100-200 years ago. For some reason most of them gradually turned non-practicing and then fully secular, so the question is how effectively those modern religious groups will prevent their members from apostasy.
There is a possibility, that religious well just produce many children among whom some will stay but some will turn secular, or in other words secular part of society will be a parasite on religious part as it is now, taking their members on their side due to their disabnility to produce them by themselfs so secularism would survive.
in 100-200 year ago people was not religious but pretend to be because the elites were religious.
Nowadays the elites are satanist/wokeist. So people who is religious is scared to speak up. Meanwhile we see tons of influencer/marketing pro-woke and anti-religious.
Hope a change in population in favor of religious people will also have an impact of elections.
Whoever is religious MUST go vote for the most social conservative party, candidate. Spoke up with the social networks.
Great content!
Thank you!
"Why American Children Stopped Believing in God" is a good article to read.
Hope this doesn’t mean Europe goes creationist.
Finally a man with a plan.