The REAL Reason For The Female Space Marine Debate And Why It Won't Die
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2023
- "Why cant they just play sisters of battle!?" it's because that was never the point of the female space marine "debate" warhammer 40k has always had female characters aplenty, it's about getting Games Workshop to bend
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Evil cannot create. It can only corrupt and destroy.
Without respect, we reject.
And that's the purpose. It's not as though they actually want to create and just can't pull it off. Destruction is the point.
Tolkien is probably rolling in his grave if he saw modern society.
Big Truth
@@cruelmilk4465 Tolkien? I would actually up that bet and say that almost every person that went to war for the freedom of the west would be rolling in their grave seeing what we did with that sacrifice.
I can only hope thet if there is indeed an afterlife those people are unable to see what is happening here so they're spared the disappointment.
You remember when you were a kid and you and your friend would be doing something fun. Then your mom would make you let your sister join, and she'd immediately make it horrible, and she clearly liked doing it? These people never grew past that.
Yea i can relate to that. Outsider turning to someone with greater Power to force changes just because they wanna ruin your fun out of spite since they are bored and you are not
This is EXACTLY what this is..
Mom : " LET YOUR SISTER PLAY WITH YOU!!! "
Not just the sister, the annoying younger brother or younger siblings of friends who never liked what you would be playing too.
This comment is money.
Mom in now in CEO position... The future is bright
No one is complaining that there should be male Slayers in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In fact, in the comics, they made it very clear that a man will literally die if he gains the Slayer powers because the throw in a "men can't comprehend it" excuse, which is why a teen girl becoming a Slayer is fine, but the grown man who has military training? Instant death for him.
I do where is it? what about ma diversity? :p
No one complains that in almost any media featuring them, that Amazons/Amazonians are always strictly all female either.
the reason why no one cares about male slayers is that none one cares about buffy the vampire slayer its a dead franchise.
It's all fiction anyway. They can write whatever slayer lore that they enjoy.
Flip it another way around, these clowns can't take it.
And now you done it, don't fuck with it.
You don't solve bad unoriginal writing with more of it.
You solve it by actually explaining it with good writing.
Or you just accept you fucked up and it will always be a joke between fans... I really hate sand...
The whole point why the usual suspects always demand SPACE MARINES be made gender inclusive, isn't for lore reasons, isn't for inclusivity, it's because it's exclusively male and they haven't been allowed to corrupt it. That Space Marines are also the most played, most recognizable part of the setting is probably the most important reason. It's why they won't complain for female Orks, female Necrons, female Demons etc. etc. It's entirely because they're the most popular that they want to pervert them.
If 40k wasn't getting the popularity boost it's been getting, then they wouldn't be interested at all.
Not that female orcs would make any sense for a genderless species anyway.
I'd argue it's more because as the casual fan, when you look up Warhammer, you are mostlikely to see spacemarines before anything else.
From a casual PoV just seeing it for the first time your not gonna see Sisters of Battle. If GW gave more love to them in the marketing department I think the argument would fall off alot. And this is coming from someone in the LGBT+ community, and very far left on the political spectrum.
Increase the perception of factions that exist, that fit what's wanted already, and gain both new players and Lore stays intact.
You could also make the woke argument, that necrons don't even have a gender. Because everybody of the necrontyr, men and women alike, became machines. And that would not even be a stretch of the lore.
@@xfoaxreaper2845 That wont work. They want control and dont give a damn about if there is diversity or female warriors, the argument would still flare up cause even if GW did exactly what you said, the activists would still kick off and raise hell. The only way to make certain is to smash this conversation...BRUTALLY AS POSSIBLE every. single. time. This is why we call the people calling for Female Space Marines Femanids: They never stop, always hungry for more no matter what you do, and must be broken each and every time.
The only perception the people pushing this want is that they win if the argument ever goes their way with Female Space Marines.
There also the most lamest faction buy your right.
In Short, they don't care about the Sisters of battle or Warhammer in general. They know that If GW bends the knee here they are effectively in control of the IP. So the same old.
but but it's an army of Karens just like them.
We don't see them demanding Misters of Battle.
@@LordNithilus MAMS OF WAR, if you will.
@@LordNithilus because Sisters of Battle aren't the poster child of the franchise. I don't understand this point, do you guys really not think they'd advocate for effeminate men, or transgender women, joining the SoB? Of course they will, eventually.
@TheWacko 'women aren't the poster child for life'
what's that supposed to mean?
The people complaining really should give Sisters of Silence a chance. They could probably relate pretty easily to blanks seeing as they are both physically and mentally painful to be around.
God damn apply cold water to burn.
Lol
😆😆
get some aloe for these poor saps, because that's going to be permanent otherwise. Damn.
Dont be mean to the blanks like that.
They arent at fault for their condition. those people? They are unbearable by choice.
It’s the tip of the wedge. The first concession that would let them keep demining changes to fit their ideology.
Word
Arguments like this are rubber bands. They will always draw blood if you pull too far.
Give em merely an inches then right after they will ask you for a miles
Gatekeep, people...
It's not an ideology. It's a cult.
The Woke are to the 21st century what Chaos Cultists are to the 41st millenium.
Thank you for getting to the real point of the debate. It's only about stealing our toys and then complaining that we don't want to share. It's a power move, plain and simple and it's rooted in misguided politic.
The problem is that they brow beat the fanbase with this shite until enough of them capitulate and allow them to change the lore however they please.
This is why things only keep getting worse, too few fans are willing to speak out against this crap.
Exactly!
Hit the nail on the head Arch. They've been doing this since the outset of the "argument." The buzzwords: diverse, inclusivity, representation, etc. They all end up using it as a stepping stone for control and manipulation. They do not desire these things they claim truly, it is merely a means to an end.
Or to quote a former activist from the time of Vietnam, "The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution!"
*Gatekeep them brothers.*
It's always about control. They don't care about the franchises they kill, they don't even know anything about them most of the time. It's just a bunch of adicts desperarelly trying to saciate their thirst, their drug being POWER. These people are completly hollow, they lack a God to serve or a purpose in life to follow, the only thing that gives them pleasure is to exert power over others. But like all drugs, the more you use lesser the effect becomes, so when depression hits back they desperatelly go back to Twitter after another target.
And that's precisely why resisting them is so simple. They are desperate, so they are both lethal and impatient. If they cannot extract a drop of the drug from your business quickly they lose interest and go for the next, since the thirst has to be saciated at all cost. If you stand up like a fucking adult and say "NO FUCKING WAY" they will scream for a while, but sooner or later they will move on, and since they are not your customers to beging with your botton line remains intact.
Honestly people that complain about fem marines are just tourists and not actual fans of Warhammer.
Its partially fault to blame on marketing where they're have used most of the time just space marines and guardsmen.
Therefore its all what these tourits can see becouse they are lazy to really look into the lore.
@@DestroyTheWokeBrainrot Too Stubborn to die. We will hold the gate or die standing
This is what GW should do when dealing with people who argue about female space marines.
"Why arent there female space marines in 40k!"
"If we were to add them will you buy our product?"
"No"
"Then why am I talking to you?"
If they say yes?
Hold out hand "$1,000 in unalterable pre-order now. Also there would need to be no fewer than 1 million of you pre-ordering entire armies before we even begin to think about it"
10 loudmouths aren't enough, get all million of the leftist waccos to actually pay 1 grand per and they could prove it as financially sound.
Put up or shut up basically. If they can't scrape together a billion dollars to make it happen they just don't believe in it enough.
"Yes, we do (ESG funding.)"
"Well, why didn't you say so? FSM it is!"
Be careful what you wish for.
No, because anyone can easily say "YES!".
What GW should do is organize a kickstarter and put as a minimal number of backers a digit that corresponds to the 50% of the current Space Marine purchases.
That is only fair as female WH40k players equal roughly 50% of all WH40K players, don't they?
What GW should do is make a Female Space Marines Kickstarter with a minimum of $1000 for 12 models.
Super&ultra rare limited edition 40K minis that only Woketards want?
Real simple. FSMs or Starbucks coffee
Put your money where your Tweet is
They will lie.
Fruitless and pointless question.
You know the kids who only wanted toys because others were already playing with them and would throw a tantrum until they got it? Yeah they grew up into these people.
They did NOT "grow up" - that's the problem... ;-)
@@frankterrian339 Physically.
@@n.l.4626 considering how humans are nowadays, even thats debatable.
@@DarkCT The most atrophied starving Zimbabwean can beat up most American “men”.
@@MajesticBiscuit hah, I haven't seen much to argue that.
I am so tired of seeing scrawny characters with the BMI of a whittled twig physically overpower massive brutish beastly opponents who could otherwise twirl them like a baton.
That has always been ACTUAL stories about the sisters of battle has always been so interesting. They AREN'T strong. They use faith fueled powers (IE sisters of battle are essentially chaos cultists empowered by daemons...just being empowered by faith in bigE) to bridge the gap. Yet by the lore, a single marine could wipe out an entire sister company. Their faith would not help them against a loyalist. Celestine herself cannot use her full power against a loyalist, what makes you think a normal sister could?
I'm used to it due to liking manga and anime but there it tends to be a gender neutral thing.
@@LordTyph Indeed, it is basically the norm no matter the sex, David always beat Goliath.
Which is up there with bikini armour and the like in the "roll with it" category, still don't like those for practical reasons but obviously not enough to be really bothering.
That's why I like Sicario. Tough-as-hell woman, but way out of her depth.
I can accept it if there's proper buildup and/or an in-universe "good" reasoning for the scrawny twig to be able to do it, as well as proper execution. The best example that comes to mind is Atomic Blonde, where Charlize Theron fights a bunch of guys and win. The thing is that she _barely_ wins, she has to pull out every conceivable dirty trick to pull it off, and looks like she's been through a meat grinder when it's all over. The movie also build her up to be a badass, but the character struggles _hard_ to win. That in turn makes it much easier for me to ignore the fact that if this was a real fight those guys would probably have twisted her into a pretzel, because the buildup was there, there were moments where it looked like she would believably lose, and in the end the victory felt earned. Not to mention that everyone appeared to have put in the work to make it look good.
Or in the first Witcher episode, where Geralt fights Renfri and her gang. It looks convincing because people once again put in the work, and Renfri even held her own for a few moments. Then Geralt got serious, and Renfri died.
Then we have things like Rings of Power, where it appears nobody can be arsed to make fight scenes look even half decent, and you got stunt people flying through doors if others as much as look at them harshly. Or, in a few cases, they can't make it look good no matter what and just cut to the part where all opponents are flat out on the floor ...
That's just my opinion, though.
GW already have horrible customer practices, the lore is the only thing they have (outside of fandom enthusiasm) that is keeping it going. The moment that this is degraded by politics, the fan fair (which is already being actively gutted by GW) would disintegrate. 'Fight until your last breath' has become necessary for people to not fall into apathy about the hobbies they love.
gate-keep is mandatory for our hobbies and we need to ever stay vigilant, there is a reason asking hard suspicious question exist, its to weed out the anti-fan
Thing is too, its deeper than just the hobby. Yes its a hobby, but the principle of standing for what you believe in and keeping tradition is whats at stake. Besides that, its the ongoing erosion of normal people. Concessions for black students in the uk mean they can go to the open university for free and have £500 towards a laptop. Yet the britons, the natives (and wrongly assumed saxons, theres more briton dna in the average englishman than there is anglo-saxon) get fuck all, its a wider picture of pushing people out of their own space they have occupied for years in peace, colonialism by another name. Yet they ignore the erosion of values because they believe that anything which doesn’t have a minority in for utterly innocent reasons is automatically racist. Warhammer has no female marines not because it’s sexist, but because for a long time the female players of the game are vastly outnumbered by males due to many females not being interested, or somehow the fact black people in the uk arent very interested in countrys Walks and national park hikes is indicative of racism because theres few black hikers. The fight starts in the everyday life
@@FrenchLightningJohn GW is strange in that it helps gatekeep itself by the prices being so outrageous.
But GW has already been willing to burn their lore to the ground even WITHOUT the SJW pressure. Age of Shitmar literally burned the Warhammer Fantasy world to the ground and replaced it with a literal joke of a 'game' that didn't even have point values on launch.
If they were already willing to do that, I have zero hope they aren't going to magically 'discover' that Sanguinius or Corvus were women all along.
@@FrenchLightningJohn and the hobbies must be political now only conservatives can enjoy the hobby and any left winger that shows up must be shut down on sight.
No, this needs to be crushed mercily otherwise it will not go away. These individuals just want a way in, in order to destroy from the inside. They are miserable empty people who want to spread the misery.
Seriously. How many times do they have to do it before people in other fandoms notice and stop letting them?!
It sounds oddly like what communists do. Wonder how many of these wokists are themselves commies?
Here's the thing you need to understand, the people in control, the owners of the IP, basically anyone with power to change any and everything about 40k, are working together pushing this agenda. The influencers or whatever loser activist on the ground are only the tip of the iceberg. You're not getting rid of anything until you uproot the whole thing and at that point, you need to make the choice if you're willing to raze the whole thing to the ground.
@@reliantncc1864 most of them would probably identify themselfs as such but most of them( at least the ones I had the unfortunate luck of meeting) don't believe in a single word that comes out of their mouth but use the talking points to further their own position without a care in world about the damage they cause. In the case of fandoms, they tend to hate cumunities because they are harder to control. As usual ppl tend to fear what they can quite understand
@@oblivionsa7973 even though it's not my fav fandom in very proud of the push the HP community doing with the new game
Use the far left logic against them. Say that advocating for Female Space Marines is transphobic according to their logic.
To quote from a commenter on one of Vee's videos:
"If a woman was to successfully undergo the Astartes Ascension process, she would become a trans-man.
Yes. You heard me.
Her body would lose all markers of femininity, and become ultra-masculine as is the case with all Astartes. Even her bones are reshaped to support the expansive new musculature.
She would be inculcated into the ranks of the chapter, and take up the moniker of "Battle Brother"
This procedure is hundreds of times, thousands even, more invasive and reconstructive than the best modern trans-surgery available today.
Therefore I propose that encouraging, believing in, or wishing for some Space Marines to be physically female is Female to Male Trans-erasure."
So in this case, they got two options, either become like a JK Rowling, or sit and spin and accept the trans representation they claim to support.
They don't care. I have seen women see these men wearing female skin, and they just cheer them on.
Men now do better at female sports than actual females, they steal their medals too, and they don't care. It's just fanaticism. They don't believe in the actual "problem" even if there is one.
Awesome!
Nice counter point.
Genius! Upon their own petard shall ye hoist them!
Bro have 150IQ
An open mind is like a fortress with doors unguarded.
*Blessed is the mind too small for doubt*
Those lines are becoming more and more reasonable each and every day.
Its because lgbt/commies abominations are literally cultists of dark gods. Every single inquisitor quote is on point.
Through the destruction of our enemies do we earn our salvation.
An open mind is like a pot for Chaos to piss in
The invasion of pop culture and fantasy reflects the same happening to our homelands.
They ought to embody the maxim: "We don't negotiate with terrorists" as it's the same power dynamics at play.
You dont make deals with the devil, no matter how smart or witty you think you are because the moment the door is held even open by a foot, they'll slame it wide open and let their thralls in
Keep in mind that even if there were female space marines, they would probably be almost indistinguishable from male Marines, given that their physique would be engineered to be as capable as their male counterparts. Add to that that they would likely use the same power armor and helmets and you see that it is only an ideological debate
Except they wouldn't be indistinguishable. FSMs would be objectively inferior as a result of objectively inferior starting material. If they have the ability to make FSMs on par with regular astartes, then they also have the ability to make significantly upgraded Astartes. The only way for it to make sense would be to gender swap the lore and make up some extra special procedure which only works works with female aspirants.
@@jacobnebel7282 gene seed DNA re-writing could add a y chromosome, which would make any female space marine the most authentic trans-male ever thought of.
@@Nempo13 Ooo, trans space marines, making female aspirants male in all aspects so they can become Space Marines. I like this idea.
It's progressive, it's inclusive, the end result are all "male" Space Marines, the only ones that can complain are the TERFs.
GW MAKE IT SO!
Also the art work of female space marines makes no sense, since their hip armor is clipping into the torso whenever they adopt the sexy female poses.
Its simple. Rejection rate and training related deaths amongst the aspirants is already absolutely ridiculous, even if you ignore training related deaths. The aspirant stock is the hardiest most capable of the death worlders galaxy has to offer and they are dropping like flies during training. Females are physically weaker and have brains wired for irrelevant things like mothernal instinct, witch you dont do shit as combatant. Simply put why take inferior stock when it comes to brute physical strength and while at it increase organ rejection rate sky high, when its already major issue?
No gene engineering will change that fact, specially the organ rejection rates that are needed to start the transformation to supersoldier... and these guys need to do that 19 times, while just one organ rejection means wasted time and resources.
Imperium is in war of extinction, so there is no reason to drop the standards to make inferior soldiers, like our militaries are doing giving females different standards and they are not able to get past even those. USA special forces didnt have one female, until in middle east conflict they added new group made out of females (to talk to local women for intel), who had standards that of a paratrooper and there was still those that didnt pass.
If you pass the standards sure go serve the emperor, otherwise its back to menial work in the factory. Guard does not give fuck long as standards are met. Only ones who care are sisters who only take females and Astartes that require males since females would be waste of time. They did try make FSM but that experiment was shut down since it didnt work.
Also nothing prevents (except GW who does not like competition) players taking sisters heads and gluing them to SM bodies, hell even making custom models if they so choose, or simply calling them females, but in lore there is no such thing as FSM.
It's all about destroying your icons and modern myths, anything that might be an example of self improvement, bravery, stoicism, etc.
These are the same people who say IG exists only to die and is manned by cowards.
They want you to have no role models.
Well, technically they want your role models to be women. Which we ALREADY had, especially those who watched non-mainstream movies.
At the same time, there are those that want to COMPLETELY wipe ANY male role model of the the table and from existence. In short, if you love something, they will make it their life mission to destroy it.
we can turn that against the left and extra.
that is it. All part of demoralization.
It's the snowball that starts the avalanche. Change this one thing and it opens up the rest of the setting to be changed.
Agreed, 40k is good because it is grim dark 40k, not because it is made for snowflakes who are too sensitive even to gluten and lactose
Yep. Before you know it, there'd be female Custodes, and the Emperor will be revealed to have been trans all along.
they already changed the IG into being half female. even tough it should be a professional army.
Uuuhhhh and what are you sweaty neckbeards going to do? Tell everyone who has female marines or non-lore-conform-armies to leave the store, "or else"...? Please, stop roleplaying Imperial guard soldiers on the internet.
"Snowball dat starts dem avalanche!!!" Youre so high on copium that you should probably see a doctor.
@@ottojarvonnen2455 Yes, I'm telling you to get out. You aren't welcome.
But why can't we have Ork spacemarines?
I enjoy Orks, I enjoy spacemarines, why must the lore not accommodate *my* understanding and opinions???
Why cant tomb kings be alive?
I like them but find necromancy against MY personal choices, i want alive tomb kings, why cant they acommodate MY personal choices????
If orks start believing they're SMs then it happens, right? If correct that same logic applies to female SMs, once orks start believing in them they will magically appear. Technically all WH canon is at risk of ork belief invalidating it.
Why can’t Cadia still exist so the Cadians will shut up about it? WHY CAN’T THEY ACCOMMODATE MY FEELINGS
The day we get fem marines is the day I and a lot of 40k fans will leave the hobby, whats worse is that im almost anticipating it too.
been saying that from the start glad i'm not the only one
Luckily I have such a large pile of shame to get through...
one can take it underground and make it a conservative ground for political reasons.
@@TheManofthecross its doesn't need to be political in either direction why can't i be able to enjoy a grim-dark universe with out it being made into a statement/ message of any sort. my life sucks as it is i don't need my reality to mirrored in the games i play.
@@redschafer7804 THANK YOU
I suspect the soy institute wants to be the lore master of the invaders, that means Kotaku, vice, etc.
also, female space Marines = female primarchs = the two lost legions = the legions of Rey and Michael Sue.
and so we can enjoy how the jealous male primarchs betrayed and framed the two bestest evah to be slain by the custodes and redacted.
and so cawl finds out and makes female space Marines, that are better than any other chapter, grey knights included. also bile makes perfect clones of the female primarchs and so on and so on and so on.
and to be the shill who accomplished that would make him the hero of soy
Your statement scares me!
Yeah and then they bring the God Empress of Womankind… just to spit in our face.
@@jean-michellegault7666 Exactly!
@@jean-michellegault7666 That would actually be easier in the lore, since GEoM is a confirmed shape shifter.
In b4 trans Emps.
@@ASNS117Zero that's because he can perceive himself as anything he wants and what we see him as is what he wanted us to see him as.
I always love when people tell me they are a fan of something and proceed to talk about how they want to butcher the lore.
You let ANY of this in, you let the Cheese Pizza enthusiasts in like a Genestealer cult.
The Genestealer metaphore is actually a perfect fit for these people: First they infiltrate their host society, then they subvert it and gradually replace it, and finally annihilate it and absorb what has remained of them. I mean, they did a pretty good job when it came to destroying or irrevocably damaging all the other IP that have submitted to their demands.
Space Marines are basically the main protagonists of the franchise so of course it’s why the debate is always on them when it comes to the FSM topic, (despite it being nonsensical) nvm the fact that every other faction excluding the Orks and Necrons have plenty of notable females character in the lore but none of that matters to the infiltrators.
I don’t want 40K to go the way of MOTU: Revelations or the Sequel Trilogy, no franchise deserves that fate.
@@lanceFin85 "Protagonist" doesn't necessarily mean "good guy" :P
@@lanceFin85 60% of the time the narrative focuses on them and they usually have a big impact on the setting in most cases, when people think of 40K they are what people first associate with it.
GW isn't Disney, they can't afford three years of flops without going out of business.
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
They've been known to make BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS for YEARS. As long as people pay premium, they'll be fine no matter how badly they perform. :/
They’ll get that sweet sweet Blackrock money for raising their ESG score.
My unpopular opinion: The call for representation is the call for the destruction of empathy.
If you need to share physical characteristics with someone to be able to identify with them you severely lack empathy.
100% agree with you. I wanna add that if you destroy people's hobby for representation, then prepare for backlash.
1:50 Wait....so they don't want SoB or SoS because their aesthetic, lore and command structures are different then Space Marines, yet they want to upend and change core components of the Space Marines which would change their aesthetic, lore and command structure so they are different from Space Marines are now?
Lady(?) your tweet makes no sense as an argument.
They wouldn't want the SoB or SoS because their obvious femininity is baked into the army, or at least it is for the most part. The new Sisters Repentia models are lacking in some departments BUT I DIGRESS, they are beyond a shadow of a doubt ALL WOMEN and have to be so. The moment they even hint at there being a "transwoman" in the SoB, is the moment they cease to be the Sister of Battle, and in canon would be the moment the Administratum has been waiting for to defang the Eclesiarchy.
It would completely undermine their reason for existence, not that the tourists would care.
apparently they only like women who look like guys so basically they want fem boy space marines it really says a lot about their mental state i'm think these guys have major Mommy issues
They had problem with Maoi beig fat, but they're quick to rush to the keyboards to tell us how fat Thor is the best representation of Thor...ever.
Dipende on which Thor the GOW Ragnarok one it’s pretty accurate, as it’s big but not obese the avengers fat Thor instead it’s bullshit.
40k, MTG, D&D, Marvel, DC, Blizzard, Battletech, Mechwarrior -- and on it goes. The established things we enjoy grow vanishingly small, and all because some people ran out of Maxi Pads, hate their Dads, and forgot to take their Lithium. Emperor save us.
Star Wars, Star Trek, Scooby Doo, Watchmen, Terminator, He-Man, Indiana Jones, Willow, and on and on it goes...
Eh. It's more because most of these things were always produced largely by people on the left or the center, and the left has fallen off a cliff in terms of their social norms and values. It's extremely difficult for people on the right to be creative in the sense of fantasy, at least in the US, because the values of the right have until relatively recently in US political discourse distinctly forbid indulging in such things because they were viewed as either 'unmanly' or 'satanic'. And since all of these issues come *from* the US, it's being shaped by the beliefs and behavior of the American left.
That's why when all this started, there was such a lurch from people who were otherwise nominally center-left to center toward the right, because the part of the left that went off a damn cliff ideologically attacked *everyone, everywhere* that didn't follow them off said cliff. It was very Bush-esqe, in the sense of you're either with us or against us, only in this case it was toward people who just a year ago would have agreed with them easily on most subjects.
You can actually trace this stuff back to around late 2015 in terms of when it became prominent. It was like a switch was flipped, right at the time when the American left online decided to abandon the concept of Godwin's law and invoking it making you instantly lose a debate. Sure there was a lot of build up to it before then, but that was the advent of 'woke' in it's current form.
Theres no need for a debate. According to the lore....THE LORE....they dont exist.
There is a need for debate because those tourists will say "the lore can be changed, who cares about the lore?"
@@TheNeomaster15 we do tourists.. we do.
I am so proud of this community and the amount of gatekeeping - be it youtubers, meme pages and even the comments across all social media.
Really does warm my heart knowing that cringe lefties aren't allowed In space fascism ❤️❤️❤️
Same thing happened with D&D. A lot of people flooded into the fandom with Stranger Things, and podcasts like Critical Role or Dimension 20. Many of these "fans" are painfully woke, mostly don't even play, and constantly make demands for what they see as inclusivity. Which is how we get some insane crap about orcs being a stand-in for black people, even though actual black people exist in the official settings.
I legit wonder what the actual percentage of female 40k players is.
Small.
I got no idea. Small but there must be some. I guess most of them also belives that female Astartes are a dumb idea.
and today there is even a chance that there are more trans women playing warhammer than actual females.
Comically small, much like gaming when you remove mobile games from the equation. The total number of women I've seen playing were only there because it was something their boyfriend/husband was doing and every time they couldn't get any less of a shit about it.
Low single digit percentage. GW themselves know and admit this.
You're absolutely right. This is about power. People need to realise we ARE in a culture war and we're continually giving ground. A line needs to be drawn and we have to say NO!
The second you give in to one demand you've lost the entire franchise. They will want more and more changes until the IP is totally unrecognisable.
@Druid of Scosglen Back when Picard wasn't constantly apologising for just existing 😁
Tau empire - unisex
Adeptus machanicus - asexual/unisex Imperial knights - unisex
Genestealer cult - unisex
Astra Militarum - unisex/depends on culture
Eldar - unisex
Ynnari - unisex
Drukhari - unisex
Harlequins - unisex
Leagues of Votann - unisex
Chaos cultist - unisex
Orks - asexual
Necrons - asexual
Tyranids - asexual/female hive mind
Chaos demons - whatever they feel like at the time
Adepta Sororitas - female only
Silent sisters - female only
Space marines - male only
Chaos SM - male only
Custodes - male only/possibly unisex no known female example.
Probably forgotten a faction or 2 as this off of the top of my head.
Yep, that's how you know it's not about so-called 'representation'. It's about control and breaking our stuff.
Custodes could possibly be female, since there is no geneseed, but they are less human than Astartes in some ways and even less likely to be seen without their helmets, so who cares.
Like I told one particularly idiotic person who argued that the Imperium of all places cared about gender: If the Astartes could get the best aspirants from both genders, rather than only one, they would.
Also, I imagine that the only way to tell the difference after the enhancement would be to check the groin.
Custodes are Male Only as statet in the Codex they get Male Recruts out of the Royal Houses on Terra, that is why sisters of Silence are there they are the Female Counterpart to Custodes, just with a Different task
@mouseketeery I'm more inclined to think it's perception. When people just Google search 40k, they're only gonna see Space Marines, and not look much farther than the dudes in power armor fighting aliens.
As someone who heard about it and enjoys war games, and is just getting into it, it took about 2 months for the CZcams to start showing me other factions than just Space Marines. I'm not suggesting to replace the poster child, but increasing visibility of all other factions especially ones like the Sisters of Battle would allow people who want that representation to see it, and therefore not feel the need to ask the question "why are there no female Space marines?" They'd **see** women in power armor. They would then at a casual glance go "oh, they're just in this group. They're basically the same. Cool."
If they get into the game after that, neat. More people to play with. If they don't, well no biggie. The question was answered.
The Custodes are males only, the "female version" (not the same but, are similar and both they and the custodes work together alot) is the Sister's of Silence, a group of nulls that with minimal augments and buster power armor can keep up with most custodes.
Of COURSE it's about power. After all, most of the people who complain about Warhammer are not warhammer buyer, warhammer readers or warhammer supporters. They are tourists who feel that WH40K needs to be more "sensible" to their own interests but will never ever spend a dime on the IP anyway.
@Indigo Rodent well, i ask this, when have the wokes EVER said "okay, mission accomplished. We're done here?" How many times have they moved the goal posts? I mean for example look at the push to make characters more diverse in comics. There NEVER seem to be enough minorities and women and representation in comics. Yet where are the sales? The comic book industry is selling LESS books than ever (and making it up with higher prices) but are any of the wokes BUYING ?
Simple answer, go to the comic shop. How many comic customers are physically challenged lesbians, yet Marvel found a need to cater to the handicapped lesbian demographic with a wheelchair bound lesbian Spiderman. Anyone here recall lines of wheelchairs from physically challenged people eager to buy the comic showing people like themselves? Hmm...
yet here we are: czcams.com/video/DXNd70UvcVI/video.html
The way I see it there is no need for female SMs because of three reasons:
1. There are already the SoB and SoS who are formidable warriors in their own right so having female SMs as well is just excessive.
2. Male humans have more physical potential than females, it's not sexism, it's just a biological fact so if you're going to create an army of super soldiers on a large scale, it makes more sense that the candidates you use are predominantly, if not all male.
3. If you were to subject women to the same hormonal and other augmentation procedures used to create SMs, that would masculinize them to the point that they're virtually no longer women but basically men with a vagina, thereby removing the very qualities that define them as women.
So that's my opinion, people can have female SMs outside of canon if they want but within canon let's just accept and leave things the way they are, not everything must have an opposite gender equivalent just for the sake of it.
4: Men are expendale.
Woman spawn more troops.
A single man can breed a lot of woman in 9 months.
5. The emperor based the primarch's geneseed on his own, which means that all the primarch's had to be male. This is turn means that the primarch's geneseed could only be used by men thus only men could become space marines
@@malaficus Good point.
The unfortunate reality of the situation is that those pushing this nonsense into our favorite franchises don't care about the facts and truths of life in the real world so why would they in fiction?
Only one reason is needed: there aren't female Space Marines. Anyone who complains can screw off. No need for a debate with someone who doesn't want to listen.
If I met someone at a gamestore and played a game and they pulled out a bunch of greenstuff sculpted/printed female space marines I would not care that much but if the lore suddenly got changed to have female space marines I would instantly boycott anything related to GW. This agenda is mutually exclusive to quality and its impossible to even pull it off well if someone tried. The sickness is already in GW so I would not be surprised to see them attempt it within a few years.
If someone pulled out a femmed out space marine army I would refuse to play them as they do not have a recognized faction army. Everything MUST be gatekept, if you let even a single tendril of their corruption to persist without stomping it out then you might as well just throw the door open and invite them in.
@@housegoth Calm down sperg
@@bobhill9845 no, I refuse to allow degenerates to corrupt a thing I enjoy.
@@housegoth Nah, it would fall under counts-as.
If I have female Skitarii, that doesn't mean I can't play 40k lol.
@@p_serdiuk in fairness there are female Skittarri lol
The female space marine debate is the reason I drink.
Your drinking is the reason your wife cheats on you with black men
That and crippling alcohoolism, i will drink to that! 🤣👍
If Astartes weren't the face of the hobby, they would have moved on years ago. They want to be what people think of when people think of 40k. Just like they've replaced every other male hero.
People gravitate to male heroes
Says a lot that my first instinct upon seeing the thumbnail is "Wait, Fulgrim isn't a Blood Angel..."
I thought it was sangusius at first.
Its not a debate, its one side that doesnt even care about the topic trying to force people who have been with the hoby for 20-30 years to do their bidding.
Its about power, not femMarines.
It’s always a good day when Arch plays ArchBouncer
"To each of us falls a task, and all the Emperor requires of us is that we stand the line, and we die fighting.
It is what we do best: We die standing."
Well said, general... Well said.
I don’t understand why they want female space marines when Sororitas are just so much cooler. It’s easy to be fearless when you have genetic augmentations and power armor, but when you’re just a normal human woman fighting the same horrors it makes it so much cooler. Reasons why people are drawn to guard so much too.
That being said, I actually do understand. It’s because man only space bad, woman only space good, so that’s that.
@@ryanteer1338 I'm sure some of them think that way. But at the base level, the only thing they care about is power, and demonstrating they have it in the only way they understand: Destruction. They are, quite literally, Chaos cultists. People who worship annihilation.
@@Sorain1 Very true. And my second point is more just one of the ways they seek destruction. Im sure there are some that genuinely believe these narratives they push, but by and large I think most don’t and are just using the message to push their goals of destroying everything the light touches/
I'm starting to use the abortion-style dismissal of "no painted models , no valid opinions" because no attempt to engage in diplomacy works against a mindless horde.
Edit: A library of physical books is the sole exception to that.
Thanks for the edit 😅
I always tell myself that I don’t have the means for an army, both monetary wise as well as the patience and skill to paint them. (And no, I wouldn’t want them to be painted professionally; an army is one‘s honor, you gotta do it yourself)
But I bought a lot of books from 2013 onward, they helped me escape reality in a time when reality was very unpleasant.
Hard covers make excellent bludgeons . . .
Oh I have a few hardcovers…but I am also a cheap bastard xD if you see the same book in 3 versions (small paperback, big paperback, hardcover) and you can get the same book for 1/4 of the price…yea ^^
Phobia means Irrational Fear.
And our views are not Irrational nor our reasons based on fear.
We just find the changes you demand are stupid.
Edit:
We know the article attacking the fandom is coming. And we know the words they're gonna use.
The word Anti-fan...............wait Antifa .....anti-fan *mind blown* they are the same.
Its great I hope it catches on and that we see widespread use to gatekeep.
They are probably literally the same people, to a degree. Antifa is a terrorist organisation and even most fanatics are a bit hesitant about risking life and limb throwing concrete milkshakes at cops.
Funny thing is the sisters of battle are my favorite faction they're so badass
Imagine a boot, stamping on a human face for ever.
Because the very instant it falters, the human below it will drag them down to the death they so richly deserve.
I dont see anyone dying on the hill for Brothers Of Battle. Dosent feel very equal for females to have a whole faction to themselves but people start fainting when we have a male only faction.
Just reading this post caused me pain, it’s a perfect example of the woke hypocrisy keep it up👍
"Make them have girls" is all I need to know it's just a temper tantrum
I am telling ppl the exact same thing and suddenly Im getting the "you are giving the hobby and the community a bad name".
I just start telling them, "Your hobby can be gatekept by people who actually care or blue hair problem glasses who'll hate you no matter what. Take your pick."
Gatekeep Gatekeep Gatekeep, the eternal line must be held, never give an inch or they’ll destroy this franchise too like so many others
Heh, the tweet proves what I've been saying, they don't care about female representation if it's not part of the"main characters".
The question I ask for the female space marine argument is what is a woman
They will tell you the point of Progressivism is to go further Left, and the second you draw a line somewhere, you are Conservative.
Welcome to the party pal.🤨
At least conservatives make heaps more sense than the woketards
We already have female space marines all be Chaos Space Marines.
The Emperors Children
They want the poster boys not some obscure chaotic bootie worshippers
And whatever Fabulous Bob is cooking up in his labs
@@sirc1446 Ok lets petition GW and make the Sisters of battle the poster child for the game.
@druidofscosglen2868 blame Lucius for that nickname
Caving to these types of demands is like handing a signed blank deal that will inevitably lead to the control and direction of your company
This is the proverbial foot in the door. We cannot budge an inch.
@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 Edited because of terrible grammar lol
The earlier we draw the line - the better. Gatekeeping proved to be good.
Except, when you gatekeep, you end up destroying the hobby in any case, because the criteria will be arbitrary and skewed. Without new blood for the next generation within the hobby, the hobby collapses. However, I wouldn't be against a vetting process, as well as a Code of Conduct that says as soon as you start to hijack a fandom for a political objective, you get blacklisted from the community - NO EXCEPTIONS (Not even if you are a "Progressive").
Eh, it's way too late for that.
Further, it wouldn't matter since the people hired on by the corporates to make and produce the game can't be gatekept by the community, and they're *hard* lefties.
At this point, we just need to accept the fact that the IPs we grew up with are gone, and will have to be replaced. The replacements? Those are the ones we gatekeep. Especially on the side of what creatives we allow to work on the material. Eric July's approach, basically.
How will the female space marine lunatics be silenced forever?
By making fun of them relentlessly cause they are a joke that deserves to be mocked.
You can not defeat evil.
Just keep it supressed.
Most of them have a variety of mental illnesses and eventually the problem will "take care of itself"
That's the neat part, you don't. This kind of evil will rear it's head every so often, like Ork infestation. Then you beat it down and scour the land as clean as you can, thus buying another period of peace before said evil returns.
The issue isn't even the mechanics of making it """work""" in lore. If some poor writer at GW ever got issued Order 69, they could find some bullshit way to make it """work""" in the lore in less than an hour.
The real issue is that the writing after the fact would be God awful knowing these people. They'd heal the Emperor with a kiss, kill the chaos gods in 3 seconds with a magical stick, and literally transform 40k into a huggy happy universe under the watchful protection of themselves, the Super Duper Magical Marines. That is the real reason we have to, pun intended, hold the proverbial line on this debate.
And if female space marines do ever become a thing, at least we'll be able to say this:
"GW broke before the fandom!"
I'm not a huge Warhammer fan. It's been this thing I know ill play one day, when I have time to fully understand the lore, and can paint my own minis. I've seen the gates and know what I have to do, don't understand why people cannot do the same. Btw the orcs look like a beautiful meme I want to play.
That they're.
If you're to poor like me you can join us at poorhammer (this is a real, reddit) have fun, make games and kill xenos.
My solution would be i had to offer is that GW Takes the Spotlight Away of the Space Marines and share it among all Factions, Dethrone the Space Marines and put out more about the other Factions, i would Love to See more about Custodes, They have some Models, yes and some books but that is it i would like to see a movie about them Or Play a Dynastie warrior style Game with them
Least we forget the major psychological flaw in women compared to men. If a guy doesn't like someone they just flat out tell that person, "I don't like you" and they walk away and pretty much has nothing to do with that person again. A woman in the other hand, when they don't like someone they instead make them a "frienemy" and keep them around just to talk shyt about that person behind their back so they can make themselves feel better about their life. Anyone else wonder why that would not work in a military setting like 40K, where being able to trust the next person in line is the key to accomplishing tasks set to the group??? And if you doubt me just think back to highschool...
Been watching for a few months and checked majors channel about you and you sir arch have my subscription. Always enjoy your lore work maybe a bit more about our green boyz but love what you do thank you.
..Honestly if they just introduced an 'all female' Imperial Guard regiment called "The Sprucers(?)" I do think that Female Space Marines are inevitable, considering GW's political proclivities. Now, the consolation prize is getting to watch them spite themselves to such a degree as to liquidate a proportional amount of fans who won't give them money for it....or it will turn out like Cyberpunk 2077's anime and a bunch of morons will swallow anything. Eh, oh whale. 40K WAS fun, before the disease reached the root I suppose.
P.S. I hope I'm wrong, obviously.
It's about tearing down symbols of so-called "toxic" masculinity. Check Luke Skywalker, Thor, Hulk, Indiana Jones. There can't be female space marines just like there can't be female witchers, but they'll damn well try.
They’re shifting tactics.
The fact that lore-wise this is in no way supported really seems to hurt them, so now they keep trying to rage against this by rationalizing any writing.
They don’t get that they can’t win the argument, so they try to force it.
If its about generating influence then its backfired on Templin a lot, yeah it got his comment engagement up with his rage bait video, but its destroyed the friendly community feel Templins comments section had preciously enjoyed and replaced it with flame warzone, it also cost him 5k subs at the point another youtuber checked the guys analytics (and resurrected the question of Marc, why exactly why did your female narrator leave?)
While the backlash baited or not has rather shown the response to attempts at gaining such leverage with 40k fans will meet resistance, firm and empassioned resistance!
If they want to add anything to the warhammer universe add more food lore at least that's what I want.
Yeah we are done with dammed algae rations, GIVE US MEAT!!!
@@lordmaur180 YEAH ACTUAL FOOD THATS NOT PEOPLE OR VEGAN.
‘But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.’
-George Orwell
They cry for women spex muhreens and also go on about women being anything and nothing at the same time, that "woman" cant be define yet want to include them in everything. Their mental gymnastics is insane
Admittedly, I'm a tourist to the hobby (I have some Warhammer Fantasy stuff, but the cyclical imbalance and skewed model updates of 40K was pretty harrowing) but its really another case of inserting the real world into the fictional one, instead of embracing the headspace of the fantasy. And if GW caves in, the irony of what female space marines would be subjected to - just to be virtue signalling advertising - would be amazing.
But if I ever did get into 40K, Howling Banshees and Celestine are way cooler (and way more unique) than just being yet another interchangeable Space Marine chapter.
The reason they want female Space Marines, is because the female blood angels would be SOOO pretty no one could handle it therefore wiping out all sells for xenos armies and ensuring Imperial dominance.
Arch, I wonder why the Female Space Marine club hasn’t used the one example that could actually be lore friendly…FSM were the failed experiments known as the Lost Legions. It would not only show why FSM failed, but that they were tried. XD
The lost legions were absorbed into the Ultrasmurfs and the Fists.
The literally only instance of female space marines comes from a non-GW source from a magazine in the rogue trader days (you know, pre-40k) and it was a ship full of dead female space marines...no living ones were ever found lol.
I prefer the ""Worked TOO well" approach.
Frankly the only thing stopping them is the barrier for entry is so much higher for Warhammer than it is for D&D. In D&D all the average player needs is dice and paper really, maybe the player's handbook.
Still, might be a good idea to start looking for a substitute or developing one yourself if there are any enterprising individuals reading this, because they will cave eventually.
If it's anything like d&d then GW doesn't have a barrier to entry, they'll listen to any empty headed whiner on twitter who clearly can't be bothered to even read the character creation rules because they've already decided that biological attributes and a general morality for races is "offensive".
It'd definitely be worth developing a substitute if it's anything like the ttrpg industry where it's a circlejerk between a bunch of woke american companies that demand that anyone joining "their" industry infect themselves with the same mental virus.
I suspect that one day, Grim Dark Future will end up with enormous and fleshed out lore to it's setting and the current edition will become what Rogue Trader was to 40k. All because GW will not hold the line.
@@Sorain1 Never heard of Grim Dark Future, is it less prone to straight up stealing from other franchises than 40k was?
@@whiskeyhound To say they don't 'straight up steal from other franchises' would be the ultimate act of comedy, given it's origin as quite literally a gauntlet in GW's face.
But, the original factions they have put together show promise. (not that they've made a whole lot of them yet.)
Even so, the ultimate truth is that there is nothing new under the sun. Everything has it's influences.
@@Sorain1 Sounds cool, might check it out especially if it's taking the bits of GW's lore that weren't lifted directly out someone elses IP and doing just as little to disguise the "influence" of those bits of GW's work as GW did with Dune and all the other works else they decided to loot. Because I'd love to see a mechanicus faction in a setting other than 40k.
Too bad GW does not understand its own setting anymore, because this could be perfectly explained with Tzeentch. Progress, eternal change. With no end goal. Tzeentch cannot let himself win because that would mean an end to progress, an end to his power. And therefore he must keep shifting what he wants from you.
Tzeentch, the deity of moving the goal posts. (in both directions, at the same time, because Chaos.)
Woketards: “Space Marines are Nazis!”
Also Woketards: “We want female Space Marines!”
Why are they so in love with Female Nazis?
Templin did this to themselves and are being slammed everywhere as when GW asked fans at tournaments, over 90% said they hated it and would be absolutely against it. Another 8% said it was un needed as the Sisters of Battle were a better option anyway. Only 1% said they were for it, and these were paying customers. Thus, they continued to keep it cannon, or GW would have changed it cause they love money. But even GW knows they can't piss off 90% of the paying customer's and survive.
That depends. If they're allowed to succeed with stuff like Warhammer+ and derive a growing amount of funds from sources outside the hobby, eventually it won't matter what we do with the miniatures, they'll cave to the demands placed on the multimedia side.
Frankly, at this point, we're just delaying the inevitable. 40k cannot be saved, it's already lost.
@ASNS117Zero false as Hasbro and D&D is crumbling right now. Disney has lost over half their value in the last 2 years, Amazon has lost a trillion dollars so these big companies are currently reversing directions but it takes time.
Ideology and subvertion... that's literally it. The political message comes first, the art and tone comes second. To me, female space marines sound as uncool as male sisters of battle... I can't imagine GW would ever introduce female space marines as much as I am sure their HR department would love that. They know it would kill their brand dead. It is the fans that stayed their hands though, if they thought they could get away with it I am certain they would do it.
Nevertheless I kind of think the sisters of battle have a much better range then space marines anyway lol if I was forced to collect space marines or sisters I would choose sisters anyday.
I thought I commit lore sins by simply coloring my figures whatever color looks cool....
Inquisitor! Can I get an Inquisitor here?!!?😫
the response to the grift Templin made warms my heart, there are still real fans out there
The moment you grant ONE female space marine, it would INSTANTLY become about the PERCENTAGE of them.
And once that happens, they will simply demand that any male character be ejected out of the franchise in any case, because just like in real life, the fact that ANY man is in ANY position of power (even in fiction), scares the LIVING hell out of them. And that's just the "True Believers". Then you get the ones that are simply doing it for the influence and money they could generate from it.
My favourite answer to this question is “how many women in today’s army fight on the front lines in war”
They can complain at me that women do fight, that I’m a sexist, I don’t care
But at the end of the day, Males are stronger, survive the geneseed and become Space Marines
I’m sure when Big E was experimenting making his Thunder Warriors, he knew this
We have Imperial Assassins, Female guardsmen and Sisters of Battle + Silence
Women do have a place set in the lore, but in the far future... there is only war
40k is about fighting for the survival of mankind, not about what bits do you have 🤦♂️
There should be Slaanesh female chaos Space Marines. For bonus wolf points, you can make it that all of these new chaos space Marines are trans.
Unfortunately there is this tiny loophole of the two missing primarchs... I fear its going to be exploited
They just want it because there were told "no" you can't.
These people can't seem to comprehend that you don't justify things in the negatory. You don't justify things by asking 'Why can't we have X?' you justify things by answering 'Why should we have X?'. Why can't we have Female Space Marines puts fans on the defensive and our only answer is to bring out Lore they don't give a shit about. Why should we have Female Space Marines requires them to justify themselves which they can't because they don't know the lore. Genuinely the only convincing argument I've heard for Female Space Marines is that they should have been introduced as part of the Primaris upgrades as one of the 'new improvements' of the Primaris Geneseed to show that humanity is actually beginning to recover and improve but even then I think it'd cheapen much of the Horus Heresy stuff around the Space Marines.
I will fully agree though that Female Chaos Space Marines can absolutely exist because Slaanesh and Tzeentch just be like that.
We have 2 Male Only Factions (Astartes and Custodes), 2 Female Only Factions (SoB and SoS) and then the rest of the factions are either both (IG, Tau, Eldar) or neither (Orc, Necron, Tyranids) and I think that's a perfectly fine balance.
Gatekeep. This. Hobby. Or. Lose. It.
One of the people featured in that templin video, and one of the loudest people in this debate is a person who has made extensive lore, art, and minis for their all female space marine chapter.
My take is this, obviously they should be allowed to do that, AND not bothered when they do.
Hell I find their dedication to it admirable and the work they put in to be impressive.
However, this person like many people so hung up on this notion, don't want to be validated by their peers, they want their headcanon validated by GW themselves.
There are rules for how YOU can create your own custom chapter, and that chapter can be used in the war game as well and no one would bat an eyelash at you for being the "Shining Light Super Marines" with super fluffy lore involving all the other canon chapters having massive respect for your chapter ect ect.
As long as you follow the rules for making a custom chapter, your chapter is lore friendly BUT, it is not and never will be in the actual lore, and that is what these people are after.
They want their fanfiction and headcanon to be validated, because reality must bend to their ideas, and GW and it's writers? Fuck them what do they know right?
These are the same types of people who go to the twitter accounts of people who make cartoons for children and demand they make their ships(pairings of two characters) canon.
Then threaten to dox them and come to their homes if they don't.
A female space marine is as heretical as a dude in the sister's of battle.
That they refuse to accept the Sisters as the female equivilent to the Marines ( with additional fire and zeal ), deflates their argument.
@Druid of Scosglen Good points that make the argument for female space marines even weaker than it already was.
Arch more or less has it. look at the destruction done elsewhere. it was latching onto the most POPULAR thing of the setting as an entry point. and because GW can't feckin' print much else than space marines without being screamed at, thats why they keep pushing the torture of girls into mahreens while being the exact kind of people who'd cry about far less for power plays in other media if so much as a glance went at them, see anime and how they want to control that because they basically claim so much as too "attractive" or "sexual".
by the way, i just looked onto the GW website. so clearly a lot of guard stuff happened, but holy piss 50 bucks now for a standard guardsman sprue?! what the hell. is there any legit updates in that thing?
They managed to make female and transgender Jango Fett clones in Star Wars. Woke demand for female Space Marines seems tame in comparison lol
They can wobble about in Faux Space Marine Power suits from the human converts in the Tau Empire. From what I recall their Fire castes also only consist of males.