I Made a MASSIVE Modular 3D Printer Enclosure
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- Printable Accessories Kickstarter Campaign: tinyurl.com/ModularEnclosure
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What would you put in a Modular 3D Printer Enclosure like this one from the folks at Printable Accesories? Maybe a Resin 3D printer? Your old Ender 3 like me? Or GO BIG like I did and live in it? The world is your oyster when you have a modular system to configure how you want.
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There are 3D printers and 3D prints that make sense and then there are these.
The amount of filament, time and resources spent to make this boggles my mind when there are much more efficient ways to do it.
Fully agree
Could just get some metal framing and build it.. Here you spend KG's of expensive filament and then still dont have an enclosure. The expenisve part is the massive acrylic plates you are going to need if you wanna look inside.
you could order the extrusion, have it shipped, put it together and then add some accessories in the time it takes to print all these parts
stronger, cheaper, better
And it's a kickstarter? More like nonstarter.
if you build with 2020 extrusion for this huge dimension, it may cost you at least 500$. His build may cost 150$ max + 60 hours of printing time
So a big vanity project that costs money for the plans, can't be altered, and takes 5+kg of filament (for the frame only) and days and days to print. All to make a box that costs more than some 2020 extrusion. Sometimes 3D printing is not the optimal choice.....
The price and time it takes to print this is quite insane. Using 2020 (or 3030) extrusions would make much more sense from an economical point of view. The advantage of this system is the modularity and reusability.
I was about to say so many things about you and your videos (very positive, don't worry), but now all I can think about is OH MY GOD YOUR DOG IS SO CUTE!!!
Agreed, I'm irrelevant in her presence. Haha
That seems cool, can't help think that's too much plastic 😅 I can see it being twice as thin and still strong enough, idk. Furthermore, why not use 2x2 lumber or 3/4" aluminum L bar (about 2x the price) and then only 3D print the joints and hinges. Then you can use the extra money to double pane the walls, maybe with thinner plexiglass and still have the same if not more rigidity from the plexiglass itself.
You can also apply weather film to the plexiglass to further insulate. I did some testing years ago using a Kill-A-Watt meter, found when i enclosed my i3 Duplicator (clone) machine (200x200x195mm) the heated bed didn't need to work as hard and to a much lesser extent neither did the hot-end and ended up using about 2/3's the electricity for an hour long print. If i had to guess from vague memory of calculating electricity costs, it was about 1/5th the cost of the filament at $20 per Kg if it was enclosed, using about 120 watts on average printing PLA and about 160 printing ABS. I know it was close to 200 watts on average printing PLA in the open
@@WhiteG60 A grow tent sounds great or a photo popup lightbox used for product photography
Saw another creator feature this, I get it, they're really pushing it. My problem is -- I can't justify paying for functional STLs -- I need step files. The decorative stuff, sure, STLs -- the frame pieces, I want to be able to customize, and STLs -- not even at the top tier, no step files for customization. Deal breaker.
An understandable position. I’d say you can request additions or modifications but I’m also a tinkerer so I can understand the feeling or wish to just do things yourself. That’s us though. Not everyone has the time or skills and many just want a complete option.
@@MandicReallyI have to say I agree with Kazolar above. Sure, not everyone has the time or skills, and just want a complete option - that’s totally fair. However, I don’t think there’s a single CAD package out there that doesn’t support STEP files. It’s literally just running one more export after the design process is finished - assuming they’re using a real CAD package to design these in the first place.
More to Kazolar’s point, not having STEP files for decorative objects makes sense. Frequently, those types of models are made in modeling programs like Blender, Maya, or 3DS Max. To my knowledge, none of these programs even have a STEP export capability. However, for anything that is meant to be actually used it makes a lot more sense to model the object in a CAD package so you can take advantage of things like parametric modeling. I would happily wager that these were designed in CAD, rather than a modeling platform. I hope the 3D printing community starts to move towards supporting STEP files in addition to STLs when it comes to more ‘useful’ items. It makes modifications and tweaks a lot easier, and I can’t really think of any drawbacks to including STEP files for all models made in CAD.
I have also a problem with his,
Only STL files are a no go
Hi, I don't know if they've changed it but, on the campaign features panel they say that it includes all core .STL. This means that the the printer enclosure files are included, but not the others...
How strong did this print? Can I stack say 2 or 3 4 maxs on top of each other?
I made a frame for my printer. It took about 3 hours with cheap enough materials from the hardware store.
This is just something thats probably more fun to do than practical.
yeah this is more like using a 3d printer for everything... 3d printers are sick but this is not the right use case. just some wood or metal works way better and way cheaper
Hmm wouldn’t it be cheaper and faster to use aluminum extrusion profiles?
I counted 12 spools. Alone the filament would cost over 200€.
I used Elegoo PLA which is pretty affordable $10-15 a spool. But extrusion profiles would be faster. They’d just require the time and skill to cut them to length and source panels / designs to mount panels. For me? No big deal. But to some folks that’s more work than they are able to handle or comfortable with. Or what if you don’t have a chop saw? $200 saw to make an enclosure? It’s definitely not for everyone, but it’s fun.
3d printing is great for custom parts. Bulk generic parts like bars and panels usually makes more sense to buy mass produced. Unless you're just going through the expense and effort for the sake of it.
From a time standpoint acrylic panels make a ton of sense. And they are available or easy to get custom cut. But the modularity makes sense in a change stand point. Like I fully intended to use this with the Neptune 4 Max, but now I’m gonna use it with a smaller machine. And it’s easy to make that change. It’s not for everyone, especially if your time = money, but it’s fun and functional.
@@MandicReally Good point, I completely ignored the modularity. Still, I cringe at the idea of printing acres of identical panels. Maybe there's a compromise using a mix of bulk parts and custom connectors
I really love this idea, though I can't help but think for the average person this is going to take 3 weeks at minimum to print an enclosure for their ender 3 sized machine. It's a great option for those that want infinite customizability or don't have a deadline.
I wonder if the fitment allows for the user to make structural reinforcements in the middle of the enclosure "faces" using more pieces ("dividing" each face so it would use two acrylic panels instead of a bigger one), therefore making the structure more rigid BEFORE the final assembly.
I think it would be awesome to customize this to receive a honeycomb storage wall instead of pegboards.
Saw another creator's video on the same product, but this video showcased the enclosure in a much better fashion due to excellent print quality and attention to details, good job! However I'm not going to back it on KS, simply because $50+ is a lot for STLs only (no CAD) and on top of that you need 4-5 spools of filament + panels. There's no way it's going to keep ABS smell inside (without a fan to create negative pressure), because of how many printed parts are used. Also launching it on KS is controversial by itself - they already have the files mostly ready
No SETP files or other real CAD data is a deal breaker!
This is awesome, and I backed the Kickstarter. I intend to build my own enclosures for tons of things of all sizes.
just started my own enclosure project built into a rack. this is awesome too! great video! have an amazing day!
ooh, I love that idea. Wouldn't work for my case because my servers are all running platter drives, and I wouldn't want to introduce unnecessary vibrations into the rack, but for all SSD builds that'd be great.
Saw this video when t came out and I knew this was a project I had to do for myself. Cant wait to get the files and start making my own case :D.
Your Pup is adorable.
Looking at this made me think about building an modular enclosure using recycle wood panel (old dresser, drawer bottoms etc) Wood would make for better sound absorption, temperature insulator. The options for designs are limitless. Now time to decide which printer i will start with?!,.
MandicReally keep up the good work love your videos.
I’m upvoting and commenting on this to support you and only you, not this awful company
More doggo content is always appreciated! Thanks for the review, just backed. I want to make an enclosure for my FLSUN V400.
Great work👍
Great video, as always. Your dog is super cute too!
Hello I have a question about functional filament. Asa VS abs. Which do you prefer and why? What is the benefit of one over the other?
would you say, that you could make this think dust proof, so that you could put a CNC in there to do some woodworking in an apartment?
I think it's a great idea for those that have a ton of filament available. I can see the price being justified for the files, I would want to wait until the files are actually available instead of a kickstarter.
It won’t be too long until that’s the case. I spent less on filament than a lot of the enclosure I’ve found (non-grow tent ones that is). But you could absolutely spend some money on filament to make it. I chose Elegoo filament specifically due to its lower price. Ha
Awesome video!!!
I would love to sea how these desing printed in PLA can handle printing materials like ABS...
Thanks!!
I made one of these for my A1, but I'm in no real rush to complete it atm sadly. I also love that little Koala Bear you have helping at the end.
Oh this gives me ideas for my cnc enclosure. I wonder if it would have issues with spanning over 5ft wide?
It’s sagging a bit at this scale, but the panels provide a lot more structure to the design. The printed ones especially.
Nice ideas! Were you get that high temperature bed for ender 3?
Passing it across
But why not just use 2020 or 3030 extrusions? sounds absurd
hmmm quad motor trident seems a little less crazy compared to that! any idea the total print time for your massive frame?
A little over 240 hours. 😅😅 I did the math before I printed the last handful of parts and it was at around 193-220.
will the PLA last while being exposed to a warm printer chamber? would you recommended ABS?
I would personally not recommend PLA. I think you can get away with PETG for a few prints that can allow you to print the pieces in ABS.
@@Joe-wk9ow yeah kinda what I was thinking. pla/petg should prolly be fine for a resin printer tho
This is a valid discussion but I don’t know that it’s really as much of a issue as folks think. My Voron 2.4 is smaller internal volume than this chamber will be when I shrink it down. And after dozens of hours of printing ASA, the chamber on that doesn’t get over 40-45C. So not even to the lowest glass transition temperature of PLA. PETG would likely last indefinitely at those temps. PLA may degrade over time.
@@MandicReally I think the main reason they didn't recommend anything but abs on a voron is because of the motors.
@@Joe-wk9ow as someone who has used something other than ABS on a Voron, NOPE. I tried to make accent parts out of PETG on my first build to get the color I wanted. The endstop switch mount has to be adjusted every couple days as the material warps and it comes loose. The hotend mount was a total disaster. (No shock there) etc etc. PLA and PETG will give more over time than ABS and ASA will. It’s often referred to as “Creep”. The constant load of weight or belt tension causes them to bend or give even at normal temperatures.
how big is the biggest printed part? can it fit on a voron v0 build plate?
I don’t have the exact dimensions off hand but too large for a V0 sadly. They will fit on an Ender 3 and bigger. I am traveling or I’d check to see if it fits on a Prusa Mini. Not certain. Many parts would but the corners are the largest bits.
@@MandicReally wonder since it's so modular if it's possible to make custom smaller corner pieces 🤔
Thanks @MandicReally this is a great find. I just pledged and waiting for the files.
Apparently the files will be shared in January if the pledge is successful.
Cool video, and I like what crate 3D has done but I do have some critiques tbh when it comes to enclosures imho, the easiest and most effective method is to just purchase acrylic and superglue the edges at 90 angles with some corner clamps. Crate3ds designs are way too beefy and printing all that on a couple machines would take way too long, last crate3d sponsored video I saw was something like 11 kg of filament for a briefcase? Enclosures are the bread and butter of 3D design tinkerers everywhere, want an enclosure? Design your own! That’s my take on it personally.
Two MandicReally Videos in 48 hours, It's a christmas miracle!
It’s a tired weekend… 😅😅 But yep, double feature project week!
That enclosure makes it look like your Neptune 4 Max is pretending to be an Orange Giga.
What's that Dremel-based CNC? I'd love to see a build with it
Idk that was just some stock footage from a website I use. I’ll have more talk about at least one CNC REAL SOON.
Please print ABS in this enclosure!!! on the neptune 4max ! If it works, i will build sth for my neptune 3 max too !!!
Great vid as always, but some 2020 extrusion and ACP would be 10% of the time and probably 1/4 the cost.
Yer I've been thinking of printing my own house to lol 🤣🇦🇺Seriously
I can 100% relate to your last comment.
Looks like PLA version of OrangeStorm Giga.
Hahaha that thought crossed my mind. I didn’t want to drag the video out, but I considered using Uncle Jessy’s model to AR the giga next to this.
Guess we're gonna have to start calling that enclosure "The Doghouse". Or maybe the "MandicReallyBigBox".
😅😅😅
Hey! What breed is your dog out of interest?
A Maltese Toy Poodle Mix
this video was brought to you by the letter "P" lol. did you notice how many words you used with the letter P in this? i almost thought you said "pilament" one time. this is a pretty cool project. even using its panel system might be really handy for those with existing enclosures on shelves etc.
Oh I noticed. After a point I leaned into it. 🤣🤣
Glad to see the tag line is back, Alan, and it was a joy to see your furry family members as well. This is a really interesting system for sure. Thanks for highlighting it.
Glad you said something about bringing it back. The fur kids wanted to know why dad was on the floor all day so they had to investigate the new apartment. 😅
You can just use cardboard as panels ;)
So lets say i'm going to print something in petg and i want my chamber heated to let's say 75 degree celcius. How will it cope with that?
Use Polycarbonate. But it would be expensive. Around 400€.
I would use aluminum extrusions for an enclosure this big.
Second you would have to move the electronics outside. 75c is a little high as well. 60c is enough even for PC to prevent warping.
@@Todestelzer i know, it's a high number just to point towards pla and heat not being friends. 60 is stil a lot to ask for pla. It's hard to justify the costs of printing this imho is where i was going.
@@JumpeFurby polycarbonate isn’t pla. It’s PC. I use Prusa PC blend. I use it for parts inside a dental cleaner with around 90c water.
And I use it for motor plates and the entire hotend assembly with tap in my Voron 2.4r2.
@@Todestelzer let me put it like this, why,other then because u can, would u waste PC on this for the money
@@JumpeFurby you asked about 75c chamber temp?
My answer is you can with PC filament. Should you? Probably not.
I wish the Kobra max got this kind of support
If Anycubic had made it direct drive, or released the firmware when they said they were going to, I’d have supported it more. As for the enclosure, well the same one would fit either machine (at a decent scale).
@@MandicReally the firmware has been released - I concur too late, but it has been released. The kobra 2 max does have a direct drive btw which I do agree is one of my more favourite mods I did on my kobra 1 max - on the usability front
Do you know what else could work... a cardboard box... yes, but really. just go to Home Depot and get some acrylic sheets and some acrylic adhesive... a plastic jigsaw blade and have at it...maybe some hinges so it can fold up when taken off... If I get one of these or any large printer like this I will set it near a corner and bolt on brackets to brace the top rails to reduce movement and vibrations
Wow. 42 kilograms of plastic at 20USD per spool is a hell of a deal.
I cant imagine dealing with the leveling of this thing even with ABL
That's PLA? Because I cannot imagine making that is ASA...
why don't built modular houses out of that🤣🤣🤣
I would have just used 1meter long 2020 extrusion
Very cool, but way too much plastic. That would take me a month or longer. :)
as noted by others here, ill repeat what i said on @thenextlayer's video... at and average of $20 for KG of PLA (more for PLA+ or PETG) the cost to make one of these is not justifiable AT ALL..
and again as others have pointed out... this is creating a 3D Printed solution for a problem that is WAY better suited to be fixed through other means..
9-10kg is $200. You can just get extrusions for much less.
You aren’t wrong. I did the math and I spent exactly $208 on filament. Granted this is larger scale than it would HAVE to be.
This is my point of view on this product, not on your work and videos.
This is just a waste of plastic. Grab some wood and have it done in 2h, why waste kilos of plastic, print time and electricity.
It's not even sturdy or anything, I see no point in using this instead of cardboard pieces glued together.
As for a whole video being a sponsored spot, I don't like the product so I'm noticing it more, but I'm not complaining when it's a printer review, so heh. Gotta pay the bills. Kudos to your patience printing so much for it.
You should design your own printing enclosures instead of doing video's on sponsored stuff.. i bet you do an even better job at it!
The obvious next step would be to turn it into a printer itself.
😅 I should have known that was coming.
Its like an instant Orangestorm, with Voron parts. Im sure you were expecting that too.
10 kg of filament?? So like $150-$200??? Seems like a huge waste of money.
i think this is not worth it. i will buy aluminum extrusion and make the frame.
I just don't get projects like this. Ideally, you need a printer that's already enclosed to be able to even print an enclosure. If you don't have a print farm of your won, you're spending literal weeks printing parts for this and you're spending kilos and kilos of filament on it. With a couple of lengths of aluminum and some cheap acrylic, you get the same for a fraction of the cost and no time at allm you don't even need a working, enclosed printer to build it. Are there seriously people printing up monstrosities like this and putting them to actual use?
8:10 kinda possibly doxxing yourself?
My shipping address is publicly available information, as it’s a secure 3rd party location removed from my home and studio. Thank you for the concern though.
"male presenting person" lol wut
i love you man but this aint it, its just such a waste of money, could just buy extrusions, acrylic panels then, boom done, 120 euros in PLA, 50 euros in the STL files, thats just insane
In my opinion big bedslingers are a terrible idea
I’d really like to see more large machines that aren’t bed slingers. Agreed. It’s just pushing too much Mass.
@@MandicReally especially when you print something really big I will never buy a bedslinger over 300 mm
first?
Proud of you son
This is a complete nonsense. Why buy inexpensive aluminum corners when you can waste spools of filaments and spend weeks into printing ?
Beautiful large format 3D printing. Please excuse me to iterate from the latest Whitney Webb interview.. there will be a cyber attack within a year in an attempt to privatize the internet so download backup and Faraday bag all electronics you don't want wiped. Please communicate to developers. Save your work
Are you a bot or just pasting this across all videos?
2x4??????