Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Ep3 - ITS ACTUALLY GOOD NOW?! - Angry Review
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Oh MY GOD can it BE?! An ACTUAL GOOD Episode of Star Trek Picard?! Season 3's Episode 3 makes a case for why it should finally be watched and taken seriously! Our Review!
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Yâall, Alex is 100% right about Futurama! Yes, itâs parody/satire, but there are so many times that theyâve explored actual sci-fi topics and tropes deeper than any show I can think of!
The three main writers of Futurama had a physics master's degree, a computer science PhD, and a applied mathematics PhD. The show had a bunch of math and physics jokes in the background. And pretty much all their math, even with throwaway jokes, were right.
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Yeah, I don't think AJ was paying attention to the point Alex was trying to make
@@jah-shwa I think AJ cuts Alex off a lot before he gets to finish a thought, because he thinks he gets a bit ranty for the audience, even though what he's ranting about is right.
Yes, Raffi should be enslaved by giraffes
What Alex was saying about futurama is true. The humor comes from layers of awareness in the genre of scifi which takes clever writers.
you can really tell Kurtzman and the rest of the hacks didn't have input in this season.
If the storyline with Picard, Beverly and their son was in season 1 and 2, in the scene where he confronts her, Picard's sole response would be "I'm soo sorry".
Let's just everyone agree this season is season 1 and everything else was Q playing with our minds...
I'm pretty sure Alex Kurtzman, like Rick Berman before him (and Gene Roddenberry), doesn't have a direct hand in the shows unless he wrote an episode himself. He would be in an oversight role, and negotiates with the studio.
With Discovery being Cancelled and SNW being run by others Kurtzman is just a name now with no input
@@stewartmcminn7773 TG
The writing and dialog is still so bad.
The music Worf was playing was played in Star Trek First Contact in Picard's Ready Room before they engage the Borg.
fan service
I appreciate Alex in this episode, I felt like Joe was more than willing to wash away previous sins from this episode, where Alex has like" yeah this episode was decent but it's one episode in 3 seasons let's wait to see what happens"
Angry joe is turning into
happy joe đ positive waves man đ
It's a review of one episode, not the whole season. Also, if no matter what it does right, you are going to bring up previous bad episodes, I'm not sure what the point of watching it is. Sure, if Picard's robot body becomes a central plot element of an episode, those previous episodes become much more relevant. But this is all new writers, director and sound design, with a completely new (old) cast, with a new story. This is a review of that, and not commentary on the franchise as a whole, and whether it's been redeemed.
Joe is always so willing to shill . Glad Alex is on the panel can always count on him as the voice of reason
â@@hat8918 Holy cope, batman...
"It's a review of one episode, not the whole season"
The guy literally said "this episode was decent but it's just one episode in 3 seasons, let's wait and see"
Just so we're clear - you've clarified/refuted/explained literally nothing...
"If you're going to bring up previous episodes, I'm not sure what the point of watching is"
It's a serial...
That means that, literally, _as "professionals"_ the thing that they're actually trying to do... is make every single episode's plot relevant to future episodes. It's all 1 story, not disjointed/separated like a sitcom or old trek.
Read: They've nakedly failed at THEIR ACTUAL JOB to such a degree, that you've forgotten what it was that they were even trying to do...
That is to say, you *quite-literally* don't know what the point of watching actually is. Like, literally. _According to CBS._
"If the writers admit that there were previous seasons, then those episodes would be relevant"
1. Again... It's a serial... Those episodes are designed(supposedly) and billed as relevant.
2. Saying that everything could turn out okay... because the writers MAY ignore the most-important aspects in their show - for the last TWO YEARS - is not the defense you seem to think that it is... omg.
"all new writers"
lol... who. What have they done, before???
This is literally meaningless, especially coming from that company.
"new director"
who. again.
"new sound design"
Just so we're clear, they've spent the last 2 years fkn that up, too???
"completely new(old) cast"
And Raffi.
_And Raffi._
*And Raffi.*
*_The literally-worst component of Picard._*
We can't forget about Raffi.
She's very important.
You're now coping so-hard, that you've forgotten (or disingenuously left out) the character with the most screen-time in the entire series, other than Picard.
How dare you forget about a fempoc in such a way! *What hubris!!!*
"new story"
1. I'm not sure that Wrath of Khan is a new story...
2. They didn't appear to actually have a story, before. You can tell, because they've had more retcons than seasons.
Dude.
Have some self-respect, these people spent 2 years meaningfully insulting the franchise, and fans - for money.
It took 217 producers to fail harder than TNG did back in the 90's, when everybody thought it was a damn joke - and they had NO MONEY.
There is no excuse for how they've behaved OR for their professional void of competency.
@@iro6758 If people were this passionate about real-life issues, the world would be such a better place. You wrote that entire diatribe and you tell him to have self-respect? The amount of vitriol directed against someone who has a differing opinion about a TV critic is unreal. LMAO.
Maybe if they had any lights on the ship we could actually see where the money went?
The plot twist of Picard possibly not being total shit for an episode is quite shocking to me
Very brave of them
I would have loved it if as soon as Will took command he said "Right, let's get some lights on in this bridge!"
Actually I thought Riker would grab his trombone and start a jazz number, "And a one, and a two, and a..."
First he's got to activate the manual steering column. Aka, the joystick from Star Trek Insurrection.
JOE ACTUALLY LIKES AN EPISODE! With this season so far, I would have preferred a Riker series. Jonathan Frakes still has the same charisma all these years later.
Hard to believe heâs over 70. Heâs still got the same vigor.
Agreed. Frakes is awesome.
Riker's vigor comes from his mounting technique
Agreed! They should have made a show called Star Trek Titan years ago with Riker as captain. It would have been great!
Will it be claimed by paramount, a mountain of trash?
TBH I think it was _uncharacteristic_ of Riker to snap at Picard like that though...
Agree, at the end of the day it was Riker's decision to take Picard's idea to strike.
Because of them is probably a changeling
Not only that, it was rookie mistakes being made as a captain and once again we devolved back into the feeble old man ranting with picard himself. To quote picard, NOT GOOD ENOUGH DAMNIT NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Iâve commented this in another comment but itâs so obvious he is a changeling. Theyâve been dropping clues since the first episode with the common trope that when someone says trust no one, one of the first people the main character trusts is the person not to trust. Riker says he leaves Troi under difficult circumstances. The real Riker and Troi could have been kidnapped, and will probably show up later.
Originally, I thought he was mind controlled or his family was kidnapped and he was being directed. But with the other events in episodes 2 amd 3, it shows heâs a changeling.
He embarrasses Laforge in front of the bridge crew with her nickname which I thought wasnât like him.
In the second episode when they arrive on the ship and the crew is lined up, Riker briefly inspects who we now know to be the saboteur. I saw that as them acknowledging each other.
In this episode he makes uncharacteristic battle choices of choosing to retreat when he could have the advantage in an attack, and Riker in TNG and the movies is always shown attacking when cornered. His intention was probably to get the ship deeper into the void with those life forms (the same intention of the pursing ship) . Possibly where the link of the rebel changeling are.
He also tries to get Picard off the bridge, before finally succeeding at the end, for good.
At this point it could be misdirection but they have been clearly indicating that he is a changeling, and Iâll be disappointed if he isnât.
@@makasete30 You make some great valid points, and if he didn't wind up being a changeling it would once again come down to absolute dog shit writing. It reminds me of the first and second season where they had something that could have been an excellent storyline and then just totally went off the rails.
Good thing is that you can jump right into this season not having watched the other two seasons and understand whatâs going on.
thats me. I haven't seen the first 2 seasons but they posted Episode 1 from this season on you tube and I thought it was pretty good. I would watch more of that.
"there's no science in this science fiction" but they said mass spectrometers. I build and fix those baby. That's real science aww yeah
This episode went where no other episode has gone before (in this series)
at the end i have the same feeling than the TNG episodes... i want to see what will happen next week. 1st time that i feel this in almost 30 years.
I am absolutely going to die from laughter when CBS screws up and demonetizes the ONE good review theyâve gotten. The countdown beginsâŠ
One good review? Wtf are you talking about?
@@Azhrei2000 you told Joe huh? Yall must be best buds đ
I don't know if Joe knows this, but in Star Trek Online, there is a small 'story line' where you have to deal with a splinter group of Changelings that wanted to continue aggressions against the Alpha Quadrant, even lying to their Jem'Hadar that the war was still going on, and that the 'Great Link' had been destroyed by the Federation (wonder if that's where they got the idea).
It wouldn't be surprising if the show got the idea from the game. The show does have the Odyssey class starship after all.
Two things were really great about this episode: Worf. And the Dominion being back. When it was revealed the guy they interrogated was a changeling I was like wtf, this is so awesome.
Ya I thought it was lore at first with a facial disguise device, because of how fast and strong he was, totally out of left field...wait the founders are in this show!?
It is infuriating how many characters flip flop this episode.
Beverly: "I never told Jack about you to keep him away from you because being near you would have put him in danger."
THE SAME SCENE: "I told him all about you and encouraged him to seek you out, but he refused."
Picard: "I must get to the bridge so I can personally apologize to the captain for risking the lives of his crew unnecessarily."
ONE SCENE LATER: "Will, we must put the crew of this ship in danger and attack the enemy!"
La Forge: "Everyone was fine with me following in the footsteps of my father."
THE SAME SCENE: "Everyone hates me because nepotism."
Picard: "The relationship with my son is irreparable. Our sole focus must be on this ship."
ONE SCENE LATER: "My son is injured so I, as the acting first officer, am abandoning the bridge during battle to go check on him."
Riker: "Picard is the finest man I have ever met and the best captain Starfleet has ever seen. He will live up to his legend, Jack."
ONE SCENE LATER: "Picard, you are an old washed up admiral who has lost his mojo so I will ignore all of your advice."
Worf: "Do not worry, Changeling, I will not harm you."
THE SAME SCENE: * vaporizes changeling with a phaser *
The changeling was past its rejuvenation period so it was essentially dead anyway. Though, arguably, only young or juvenile changelings need to go back to a liquid state every sixteen to eighteen hours. So, Worf shooting him was mercy.
Other than that... you're spot on.
You have made some insane failures in your understanding as a viewer that are inexcusable, especially amongst the other reasonable ones.
The one I truly cannot fathom is how your brain goes "Picard said that he can't repair the relationship with his son, and he is obviously not a person who can say one thing and mean/feel another, so because he said in a moment of emotional distress that he wasn't going to focus, he is actually breaking character if he doesn't do that. I mean, not like anybody lies to themselves about how they feel when they're upset, right?"
Some of the others you listed are reasonable, but this is just you not apparently expecting people to act like people, and not expecting a father to feel basic parental instincts in spite of his claims not to care.
100 percent, I just started watching this season and I noticed the writing is all over the place. This needs to be quite a bit better to be considered "good"
Plus 10 for Alex's Futurama drop
That last Riker line killed it for me, It made no sense.
It may not be the real Riker though...
Heâs obviously another changeling. Theyâve been dropping hints since episode 1.
@@makasete30 that would imply that the writing is getting better... really suspicious lol
why?
One of them is a changling because Riker and Picard would never talk that way to eachother.
Not sure why people think Riker's strategy of fleeing is so massively out of character. Let's not forget that this is the guy who got the Enterprise-D destroyed by spending ten minutes running away from a much weaker opponent before getting the idea to ask Data to technobabble them a solution.
Eh mind telling me from what episode or movie was that?
Generations.
Maybe it's the fact that the previous occasion when Riker was in the exact same situation, his solution to the problem was "We're THROUGH running from these b*stards!"
I'm sure the writers of this episode remembered that Riker did that. Definitely. They totally would have done their research and been aware that Riker has previously been in this exact situation and successfully selected the opposite tactic that he took during this episode.
@@casbyness So people don't change with time? Somebody would not, in your mind, be less risky when thinking of returning to a family that he never properly made amends to?
Picard arguing in the is Data a person trial was some of the best writing iv ever seen
the episode that Q becomes mortal was amazing too.
The music Worf is playing is the same Picard had on in his ready room in First Contact.
I can't remember his name off the top of my head but the actor who played Odo in Deep Space Nine passed away in 2019
The music that Worf is playing whilst doing his calesthetics is by Hector Berlioz, the same piece of music that Picard is listening to in First Contact when Riker brings him the results from the sensor sweep of the Neutral Zone.
A couple points here: 1) the writers didn't forget the "Inner Light," because we clearly see Picard with the flute from that episode in Episode 1. 2) The Ferengi Worf beheaded was holding a weapon, so he wasn't unarmed. 3) Picard at the end is a changeling - calling it now. [EDIT] 4) When Worf is left to his own devices, he absolutely ends people. In TNG, they had to constantly stop him from doing that. He tried to end Q, once. 5) Star Trek: Discovery was just CANCELLED.đ€Łđđđđđ
Not one person has mentioned that it's the 25th century yet where are the EMH programs? (Which would be even more advanced). The medical tech seems substandard.
@@JohnnyZenith Someone brought up the EMH programs in a review. It's a plothole (for now).
Wasn't the weapon the Ferengi was holding the knife that Rafi jammed into his hand? :D
@@StuartKerrigan I think so.
Your theory on Picard being a changeling is interesting. My own is that the falling out between Picard & Riker is a ruse to trick the changeling(s) that they now know are on board, since their whole exchange is so out of character. That said, your idea is every bit as plausible, if not more so.
AJ had another moment that made me go "what is he talking about?" not only is alex right both shows are in the sci-fi genre there concepts are different but they aren't completely different
Sadly RenĂ© Auberjonois (Odo) has passed away, so no seeing a modern CGI changeling version of him. DS9 was brilliant..... I hope we get some rogue Jem'Hadar and ultimately we get Species 8472 đđ
Lol me too I'd like me some Species 8472
My only gripes with this is the Picard has had 1 or two moments, but otherwise he is very much a shadow of his former self, everything including starship bridge design has been "darker" ever since the Sovereign Class. And they only use the ships phasers once, at least they were the beam type again.
Also, considering that Picard went to Riker who then came up with the idea of using the Titan, how did the Changelings plan of having one of them infiltrate the crew of the Titan?
Maybe Riker is not Riker because he certainly is not acting like Riker. He could be a changeling. How else could any of this plot happen. As you noted Riker chose the Titan and that's where the villain lady and the changelings just happen to show up. But then again this is Picard so it could just be bad writing.
The way ships computer made Moriarty a match for Data was by uploading the entire computers database into Moriarty. Also remember they didn't really beat Moriarty, they trapped him in a simulation making him think he became real and had left the holodeck.
Moriarty failed to realize he was still in a simulation which the Enterprise's crew did figure out. He was beaten; outsmarted.
@@snoopy7261 Yes he was beaten and outsmarted. That was kind of the whole point of the episode. Moriarty was always destined to fail, that is just the way TNG worked. That said in both episodes Moriarty is "defeated" as he was trapped again thinking he was real. Moriarty was never meant to win in either episode, he was always the "Worf Effect" to give Data character development.
If you ever watched DS9, you should know that Moriarty could be brought out to live in and interact physically with real people.
Vadic, Amanda Plummer, is the daughter of Christopher Plummer. Who played general Chang in undiscovered country. She was also Hunny bunny from Pulp fiction.
9:51 Thats actually an amazing detail. The OG science fiction shows like Star Trek OS, The Outer LImits and The Twight Zone and much later with Star Trek TNG had some of the most important literary writers in the history of the genre, contributing to them. Authors like Richard Matheson, Harlan Ellison and Theodore Sturgeon, etc helped those shows stay at the leading edge of the genre.
I saw a quote from Hiyo Miyazaki, a legend in the genre of anime, where he urged creatives working in those fields to get out there and have more interactions with real people. He felt that too many creatives were drawing inspiration from anime itself, rather than real people and relationships. Its a critque that can aply to Hollywood itself. Too many films are just references to other films. I mean look at "Marvel style" dialogue infecting films and shows everywhere.
Moriarty is smarter than Data because he was created by the Enterprise D's computer. The Enterprise's computer core is 7 decks tall. Data's computer core fits inside his head. It pretty much took a computer the size of a building to outsmart Data. Also, the Enterprise D is actually newer than Data. Data was built 25 years before the Enterprise D.
The music Worf was doing his exercise to was the same thing Picard was listening to on the Enterprise E in First Contact.
They didn't have shields up in Wrath of Khan which is why the hits were doing more damage.
It would be fantastic if you let Alex finish his thoughts, or point, before interrupting with a constant disagreement or outburst. Notice how he allows you to finish your thought before expressing his own, Joe? Allow him the same basic respect.
Alex rarely has anything worthwhile to add overall because he rarely takes pleasure in anything. He's just a pessimist and though he does make good points, overall he's just far too negative to really make his voice matter to anyone looking at these things seeking to be entertained. Not everything is a god damn research paper. This is all my opinion, obviously. Anyway, I type all that to say, I agree with you. Even though I don't feel he's really engaging in good faith with the content, if you're going to have the dude on the show let him speak. It's so annoying listening to him and not being able to hear the end of his ideas because Joe doesn't know when to stop talking.
What's really aggravating is when he goes on a rant for five minutes and OJ and Alex try and respond, he ushers them off to the next point saying they have to get back on topic. It's his show, so he can run it how he wants but I often feel he just doesn't do a good job of stepping down from his pulpit.
@@BoogerLeader Agreed, Alex does tend to veer more towards negativity and finding flaws rather then boons regarding content. Often I do find myself wanting to see him rip apart a bad show or a bad game, but Joe, if he's fanboying as often as he does, simply interrupts Alex in most, if not all, of the points he's trying to make.
You're right in that it's his show and he is allowed to run it how he wishes. It just often makes it not worth watching as it's rarely an actual discussion, it's simply Joe ranting or raving and being rude to his employees when they try to have anything to say. It's like a boss who only values his opinion and his paid employees should be nothing but lemmings that mirror his thought process. At least, that's the impression I get when watching any discussion with the three of them.
Worf could have easily carried the sub plot himself from the start
what did we miss at 9:17... that cut was abrupt
Editing Error unfortunately, im learning the program. Alex basically gives his rating 6/10.
First thing I would do on that bridge if I took command would be "Computer lights to 100%"
You wouldn't get that type of problem from the USS Dauntless or the USS Sovereign,
People talking about the failed philosophy or the failed science fiction writing, all important, but a big part of star trek to me was the professionalism of all the characters. They didn't bow down to drama or fall apart because of tragedy. They had a fucking job and they did it. And that was true for everybody on the ship, not just the main characters. Even officers that were written as racist or difficult or overly ambitious were still basically competent.
Yeah, I still couldn't really stand the episode. It's better than the other two but only marginally. So much dumb shit still happening. Only good parts are Riker and Worf and even they aren't immune to questionable dialogue choices.
Also, why the hell is the Titan still firing photon torpedoes? Do quantum torpedoes just not exist anymore or...? How the hell did Changelings get past the security checkpoints at the wormhole btw? You'd thinking Starfleet would be watching that shit like hawks after what happened.
5/10 overall
You're wondering how anyone snuck past security? Are you under the impression that changelings are some deadbeat street level peasants? I feel like your criticisms don't even make sense. Have you watched Star Trek before? Admirals have been taken over by aliens and replaced without anyone noticing, and Star Fleet has security in their HQ.
I thought the portal bit was a bit weak, Riker should have been smarter than that, he should have known the cake was a lie. Anyone who had played Portal, knew exactly how this episode was gonna end lol.
Riker is a changeling - thatâs why.
@@makasete30 That is what I am hoping for.
I'm kinda surprised about how many critics actually liked it. I didn't find it anything particularly great and by the end I was just like ehhhhh. It took 5 minutes for picard and riker to turn on each other in what seemed like some rookie level decision making on the part of the both of them. That was shit I expected out of shaw. I also don't think even worf is capable of redeeming raffi as a character. lol
I did like the sickbay scene with Picard and crusher
Picard should have been a mini series!
Imagine if they had started Picard season 1 episode 1 like season 3 episode 3 ..and just got into it.....Imagine
Rewatched nemesis recently and I actually enjoyed it more than I originally did, I thought of nemesis when you talked about battle damage because they did that really well in that movie
Same but I watched it on VHS đ
Nemesis was awesome, I never understand the gripe against it. At the end when the crew realise data was gone the acting was amazing! Not to mention the ship battles
Lower decks is not good. Alexâs reaction is completely warranted. Of course joe loves it.
What happened to the Romulan with the sword?
Worf was tasked with rehabbing Raffys image
After the episode ended, I was literally thinking the same ... "so its good now?!"
If you swing a bat enough times your bound to hit the ball once
Riker losing his shit at the end doesn't fit the character or the history between them at all.
Me too - there's still some dragging stuff with Raffi and Beverley acting a bit off, but overall at the end I was like "this is good?"
I am reminded of first contact where he says.... NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *smashes shit*
â@@technomancermagus8357these characters aren't gonna be the same after 30 years.
Iâm shocked itâs good now. *I bet CBS still blocks this episode though* đ
I am already picturing the new thumbnail if CBS does: [Next to Enraged Joe] "I liked it, and they still blocked me!? WTF, CBS!!?"
"Good" is a strong word that is earned after more than 1 episode and even then I would say this episode is decent at best
The problem with the writing staff is they don't have an idea what star trek is they just want marvel with the trek IP on it. When TNG was on TV the writing staff had science consultants when it came to the techno babble and theoretical stuff like the Dyson's Sphere in relics. season 3 ep3 of Picard had its moments but it's the inconsistencies between Riker and Picard that doesn't flow right one minute they are agreeing and the next they are arguing with each other like pick a lane and stick with it. Now Riker is concerned with the safety of the crew that he has forgotten how to be a captain like come on now let alone a first officer. Worf saves this episode for me only thing that had me scratching my head was the interrogation scene like worf come on with the good cop bad cop routine. Other then that I give this episode a B+ 9 million a episode đł oh my goodness đł
I agree. All the writing issues come down to the fundamental misunderstanding of what Star Trek is meant to be about. This season continues to harp on the nonsensical idea that Picard is some kind of superhero-esque maverick danger magnet, instead of simply a competentt professional doing his job. This is the exact same issue we had in the TOS reboot movies. Kirk and Picard are not and were never thrill-seeking loose cannons who caused others to shake their head in disdain. Current writers of Trek treat these people like "legends" or "heroes", forgetting that they are primarily those things for real world audiences and fans of Trek, NOT for citizens of the fictional universe they occupy. Picard is NOT Han Solo, and it's ridiculous that this show continues, over and over, to claim that he is.
@@casbyness very well put đđŸ đđœ the drum head episode describes who picard truly is.
I was VERY annoyed with the combat logic; First time they met the enemy ship, a few shots basically almost killed them- now they get shot dozens of times, including by their own weapons, and it was still the whole ship
Yep, this episode is very flawed and the amount of people willing to give it a pass astounds me
Is Riker a "Changeling"? I found it too sudden. The change (pun intended) of how Riker was friendly to Picard. Then all of a sudden you have Will ordering Jean-Luc to sit your old ass down (OK, he didn't put it in those words).
Sorry, I'm still not swayed. Too much like Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country (there's a saboteur. Of course, there is), and Nemesis.
I only like Worf. OK, now you're OK with me, Rafaella.
Also, I now hate Dr. Crusher. Her explanation and reason for not telling Picard about his son. Sorry, Beverly, you are a.."the B-word". Sorry. Oh, so you don't want to put Jack in danger? Yet, you have him tag along on your space "Red Cross" humanitarian missions. Yeah, no real danger in that. Lol. Oh, so that's why Jack has a British-accent. He attended school in London. đ€Łđ€Łđ€ŁđŹđ§
@@klass_1221 Wont be surprised if they went that route...even though there didnt seem to be any hints or even openings for that to happen?
â@@Zexx4have a day off mate
It is really hard for me to suspend belief and just accept that 20 years ago Picard could accidentally impregnate Dr.Crusher and that their son is actually 20 years old when he is easily in his 30's.
75 year old Picard letting Senior Citizen Beverly crush it with his manual steering column.
â@@avengercannon:
"What's that, Beverly? You want Wesley to watch? Mmm, make it so." - Picard sleep talking
â@@hawkeye5955
Lol Picard just doing all his tropes while smashing
"Engage!"
"Oh yeah pour Earl Grey on me!"
I think Joe might've hit the sauce a little too hard before watching this episode. I agree that it's the best episode of STP so far but that puts it at more like a 4 or 5 than an 8. There's still way too much stupid to hand waive away and that last line by Riker seals the deal. Also, Beverly is a monster, a soulless ice water in the veins monster. She knew family was the most important thing to Picard, especially after losing what was left of his to more bad writing, and she unilaterally took his last chance at one away from him. Stone. Cold. Bitch.
Yeah this episode still has A LOT of issues like the whole "accent is genetic" statement almost made me mald out of my mind, this episode is a 6 at best and Jow is blinded by how bad the other episodes are to have this an 8
@@Zexx4 What do you mean by "accent is genetic"? Picard asked about Jack's accent because it sounded nothing like himself or Beverly.
None of the characters are the same and remind me of their "evil universe" selves with the goatees. Even LaForge is all surly and cruel. I literally hate how cynical and sleazy and degenerate this show and its creative team are. I'm sick of how obvious it is that Nerdrotic and Dave Cullen are now paid CBS shills. How they all think they're reflecting the world around them for money. They're all garbage corrupting our culture until we have none.
@@idHeretic Beverly literally says like " picard was in London for a while so he picked up the accent, so its genetic" I'm paraphrasing of course but that's basically what she said after someone questions Picard accent!!
@@Zexx4 I'll have to rewatch but I recall Beverly saying that Jack spent the time in London and it stuck.
Alex as per usual can always cut the BS and get to the reality of it.
Alex at this point is the only one who is actually using objectivity and not nostalgia when grading these episodes, where both Joe's are like "well this is the best episode in 3 seasons so it's an 8" but alex is like "theres still problems here this episode is a 6"
Alex is just bitter and a buzzkill.
Wow, it looks fantastic! That new editing program rocks.
I still am not liking Picard. I'd give episode 3 a 6/10. I don't get the hype at all
I feel like episodes being good is a bit irrelevant coming after some long broken writing and directing.
Season 3 so far is good and is unrelated to seasons 1 and 2, mostly. So, definitely not irrelevant.
@@BoogerLeader This whole show is irrelevent and peoiple shouldn't wait for season 3 of this crap for somewhat half descent episodes.
@@schizzo8959 That's irrelevant. It's here and we're on season 3. Season 3 is unrelated to seasons 1 and 2 and it's good. That's the only relevant piece of information we have.
What could've been or would've been is pointless when discussing reality. We deal with what we have in front of us. You get let old anger color your opinion of the show, doesn't change that it's actually good. Not amazing, but it's good.
Someone remember when Discovery first came out and the bridge was all dark and the way people acted like to each other, everyone thought the show might actually take place in the mirror universe?!
Well, years later, we still on dark bridges, lol.
Really all the things that you said I agree with. but for me t's so many small things that are just irrational, dumb and don't make sense that the episode just breaks for me.
First worf is like "you not coming with me", then suddenly changes his mind for no reason "we doing this together" and Raffi is like; "cool".
That made no sense to me and I just looked at the screen in dismay. That specific scene was SO DUMB it just broke the camels back for me.
Agreed. I hate the Raffi character and she is only dragging down the show and Worf. Why did they even bother bringing her back??
3rd episode by far has been the best attempt at emulating Berman-era Trek.
I like how they are bringing the Dominion back. I was always curious what happened to them after ds9 considering what a massive threat they were to the Federation. We better get Jeffrey Combs returning as Weyoun.
Weyoun last clone died.
No Weyoun, no Dominion
Although I share your sentiment, technically it's not the Dominion, but a rogue group of changeling terrorists. I'd say there's a good chance of Combs being in this show considering he's already been in Lower Decks!
@@stewartmcminn7773 Ya but that was just in the Alpha quadrant right?
As a star trek nerd it really bothers me how quick they're using photon torpedo's before the phasers because you have to break the Shields with the phasers for the photon torpedoes to actually do any real damage
Next episode review:âaaaaaaand ya ruined it againâ
I love that Joe has the integrity to say a show is bad when its bad and good when its good, he wonât just hate for no reason
I didn't like that Shaw gives up his ship out of spite. I would rather Shaw have to be relieved by Medical instead of just dumping his crew off. Also how can the chief medical officer on the Titan not recognize Shaw has internal bleeding? She just treated Beverly for internal bleeding the previous episode as well. If you wanna show something like that use a nurse instead of the Chief Medial Officer. Teaming Worf and Raffi will make me not like Worf more than it will make me like Raffi. The only plus is now we might get to see what the TNG crew would've done against the founders. We might also get to see DS9 make a cameo. They might check if the wormhole had any unusual activity. Oh and expect to see the Picard maneuver because I am sure they can't help themselves.
The saboteur that made the gas leak also messed with the computer so it wouldn't detect the leak. You can see this when Seven is checking the system.
TNG was amazing the morals and philosophy of picard and Q just sold me atop of the sci fi n military aspect
TNG has one of the best ending in tv history like scrubs
I understand why Riker threw Picard off the bridge, there can be only one captain on the bridge, one voice giving commands, and not Riker giving commands and having Picard second-guessing him in front of the crew!
Wrong, Riker is the other changeling who has been sabotaging the mission. Why else wouldn't Riker want to fire on that ship when Picard wanted him to. Riker has never been a pussy and now all of sudden he is? Riker is the other changeling.
ââ@@rationalthinker9612 good theory, explains also why he gives an explanation why Deanna is away
â@@rationalthinker9612riker didn't have a family during TNG. It's been 30 years and sometimes people change. I'm sorry but people change over 30 years
@@austinhale5699 I guess we'll see who's right
@@rationalthinker9612 The trailers before the show aired showed Riker wearing two completely different uniforms, he's wearing a alternate uniform and has been since Ep 1 but the trailers show Riker in a Captain's duty jacket When he's with Wolf and Raffi (How did he end up there if he's in the nebula with Picard etc?) And then he's wearing the same thing when their are all in the briefing room.
Even if it is better Iâm not sitting through two terrible seasons to watch this one.
honestly you can skip season 1 and 2 they kinda don't matter so far to season 3. imo.
Season 3 is a continuation of TNG, not season 2 of Picard. The only remnant from seasons 1 and 2 of Picard are Rafi and cyborg Picard and you can ignore cyborg Picard.
Don't have to at all.
@@BoogerLeader They apparently play it down and mock it.
@@tipismoke8094 yeah it goes. Picard never met Seven of Nine. And Picard is dead and you are seeing a Robot version of Picard. Did Picard wake and say he was having a nightmare of the previous two seasons.
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French is a nearly extinct language in Star Trek. This is well known and Angry Joe isn't actually a hardcore fan, he just wishes he was.
Love you Joes and Alex keep up the consistent and entertaining work!
Bet they won't strike this one
AJ is an easy man to please... to easy?
Isnt Wesley just a Traveler, essentially a Q? I mean he didnt die he can come back to visit when he wants right? I didnt understand her saying she lost a son, I mean he literally showed up in the last season of Picard to save the Asian Robot chick right?
I don't know why all the bridges are so dark... in the JJ Abrams movies there was soooo much light
I havenât watched the review yet but I feel like this is like an abusive relationship lol.
EP 3: OH ITS GETTING BETTER?
EP 4: IS THIS THE WORST EPISODE??
Honestly after watching the episode I feel Jow is blinded by nostalgia, there are still MASSIVE issues with the show and he gave this episode an 8 when in reality it's like a 6 at best
I canât get over how much more Picard as a character feels like the same person from TNG, compared to how he felt in the first two seasons. Itâs like Stewart has suddenly remembered how to act again. That scene at the start between him and Beverly is electric, on its own merits like, but especially as a TNG fan. Seems a low bar to set but after the tripe weâve seen so far, I find the reappearance of characters I had grown to love to be quite moving. Donât care how the rest of it goes, itâs enough that I got to see Jean Luc again, finally.
Same here, I watched season one and it was trash, season 2 I got as far as episode 3 and couldn't watch anymore, I'm surprised Patrick Stewart had anything to do with those 2 seasons. The third season so far is enjoyable and it's great to have the real characters back, even as you say Picard is like his old self
Great content! Iâve been nursing a wisdom, teeth removal, paying for the last three days and your accountant has like help me like think about something else also, I donât know itâs on the only one, but I donât even watch of the shows you guys review but i watch anything you guys review.
Good video Joe. Good audio, no issues. During the intro, the effects did look a little over-sharpened. Other than that, the new software looks promising.
Im rewatching TNG while watching these reviews (I gave up on Picard season 2 myself), and it's just making me sad. This episode being what it was makes me even more sad. Imagine what COULD have been! A modern TNG with less cheesiness, vastly improved sets and effects, same great writing......fuck.
I think its more sad that the average person is now so sleazy and degenerate and without care for any of it that they refer to a higher order of ethics or morality as "cheesy."
I think it's more sad that people think this is a good episode between "AcCeNt Is GeNeTiC" and the half assed attempt to dodge the portal it astounds me that people think that this is in the same league as TNG
Yeah! But that's existing, it's called "The Orville"!đ
@Dr. sommer camp I know of it and it's pretty good from what I hear, but I always assumed it was a parody at it's heart and would be more of a comedy than anything...is it genuinely good in the same way that TNG was? I'm willing to check it out
Meh. You're living on nostalgia. Season 3 is great.
After hearing Riker's last line of this episode, I have no doubt either he or Picard one of them is a changeling
Of course Riker is the changeling. I canât see how there is any doubt.
In the first episode Beverly says trust no one. The common trope is that one of the first trusted people the main character talks to is the one not to be trusted. At that point I thought Riker was under some mind control. Riker says he left Tori under difficult circumstances.
On board the titan, Riker stops and briefly inspects who we now know as the changeling saboteur, possibly acknowledging each other. Riker embarrasses Laforge on the bridge with her nickname crash which is unlike Riker. He gets unusually riled up at the dinner with the captain Shaw insisting on calling him captain. Again, unlike Riker.
And in this episode he makes battle decisions which are unlike his instincts to attack when cornered. He tries to get Picard off the bridge. Itâs blatantly him.
@@makasete30 not to mention in one of the trailers, he says to Picard "This is the end, my friend" just like how I would envision a supervillain saying that, not the real William T. Riker.
The sensors by this point can detect someone farting on a planet light years away and scan peoples DNA, how can they not scan all the crew constantly for safety and security.
@@makasete30 oh shit, I think you're right
Hmmm, Riker leaving his family? Yeah, that could make sense.
However, the changeling Riker wouldn't know about the random 3 thing during the Best of Both Worlds arc. I suspect that Riker is Riker, but a mistake is made, and he's pissed. That's not out of character for Riker either. Ask Jelico.
Soon as I saw Moriarty I knew he was the counter to Lore, the wording in the Episode was "create an opponent to OUTSMART Data" (I think I didn't check so if I'm wrong my bad)
Moriarty might have access to a mobile emitter prototype now.
Wow!
Who would have thought that getting the GOOD actors together would make for better episodes?!
That makes sense we can't have thar
Nothing to do with that and everything to do with writing
@@Jamsaladd The writing was also important.
@@Jamsaladd Both are true.
Superb. Tense, dramatic and relatable with characters we love back on form. took two and a half seasons but even the Raffie lines were good. Did they swap the writers?
The music in the Worf scene was also used in First Contact.
I haven't finished this video yet so maybe you already made this prediction, but I predict based on the trailers that the bad guys are going to release Lore from Daystrom, and, calling back to the TNG episode "Elementary, Dear Data", they're going to need to face him off with someone capable of beating him, e.g. Holo-Moriarty.
Since they're bringing up the Changelings, I wonder how deep cut they're willing to go. Because DS9 also established that the Changeling had very advanced genetic engineering technology and the technology to transfer minds. So they can probably make an organic body for Lore and download his mind into it like they do with the Vorta.
Damn that's good.
I said for the last 20 years if only they'd do a reunion project and bring back Moriarty and/or Lore... I cannot believe they're doing it.
FULLY AGREE this is the first awesome episode of Star Trek Picard
I hope Riker gets a show show run by Frakes. He did amazing work with First Contact and I'd love to see what a show with total creative control by him would be rad.
Alex not accepting how low the bar has been set is my jam
He is right Angry Joe is like a kid.
Its not his son. Hes robot Picard
My theory about the next episode is that Sisko shows up to save them.
I would die! Too epic, even for this season.
Didn't he become some kinda god or something?
I really hope the JemâHadar make an appearance. Iâve wanted them to return since the end of DS9.
Knowing this team, they would make them look all weird with tattoos or bunch of piercings or some other new shit just to make it âedgyâ
@@JoeNasr123 I donât know. They kept Worf and the Ferengi, and many of the other TNG/DS9/Voyager era races the same so thereâs hope.
Yeah let's just ruin them too while we are at it!
@@SuperRodimusPrime The thing is you Can't change Worf's appearance. Have you seen any other kilingons in STP? If it wasn't for Worf coming back every klingon would look like they did in discovery.
â@@idHeretic exactly. Never forget the burning pile of shit that was STD.
Are you guys going to review the new Haunted Mansion trailer ?
The beverly scene!! The last Star Trek shows have a tendency to dumb down other characters so one characters can seem intelligent. Instead of making the main character the smartest amongst intelligent people it's become the smartes amongst idiots. p.s Joe, One or more writers from Futurama had Physics degree from Harvard. they actually know Science.
I can appreciate that the actress is acting her heart out, and I don't envy the pressure she must be feeling when surrounded by plots and characters that are actually competent. I still don't give a shit about LoFiella. They never should've kept her around. ANY TNG character at all would've been a better choice than RatFee.
She's just not a good actress. Maybe in a different genre but in sci fi it's not good. Like when 117 people die in the first episode, she looks like she's on the toilet pushing out a whole turkey that she ate the night before. She's horrible when she has to show emotion, she'd make a great android.
If it needed to take 2 seasons to finally get good, it's still a terrible show.
Most would argue it took 2 seasons for TNG to get good and loved
TNG Season 1 and 2 had like 5 good episodes. Season 3 was phenomenal and started the TNG greatness most of us remember.
Worf and Raffi's story is now a 90s buddy cop movie and I'm surprisingly okay with that!
What happened at 9:16? Hell of a cut/skip, did paramount strike you guys again?
Loved the episode as well - the beverly/picard conversation/argument was actually my favourite part
Yeah that scene was real good
if it needs 3 seasons to finally be good then it aint good in general
It took TNG 3 seasons to get good!
Yeah the first two next generation seasons sucked lol. Except for a few episodes.
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13:10 ironic isn't it lol
@@jamesxenophon9505 Though those first two seasons of TNG at least helped build the characters and the world. This time it sounds like the first two seasons are basically irrelevant. Though in this case that is probably for the best - cut your losses and basically reboot the show to what it should have been.
â@@jamesxenophon9505 yep, Michael Piller made all the difference to TNG