Star Trek: Picard: Season 2 - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex take a look at the continued dumpster fire Star Trek Picard Season 2, how are they ruining our favorite character this season? Find out!
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Between this and RLM, Picard has provided me with a lot of entertainment without even watching it.
Though Mike and Rich's suffering is far more hilarious.
Ohhhhh my GAWD!
Ha ha, you are correct, sir!
The thing that baffles me is that both RLM and the Angry Joe crew actually enjoyed the first two episodes... I suppose in relation to the other eps that followed it seems that much better, but I was woefully unimpressed by them during my watch
@@MedalionDS9 'The thing that baffles me is that both RLM and the Angry Joe crew actually enjoyed the first two episodes...' Mike's quote was 'I don't absolutely hate it'. I wouldn't say that's 'enjoyed'.
The unimpressed Alex face is a staple of these reviews at this point.
He should become Alex Kurtzman for the next one.
In a few years if he shaves you’ll notice deep frown lines and wrinkles on his face. They could be affectionately called, Picard Lines from watching too much of the series and having to review it.
And the slight hint of sadness and disappointment on his face...
*chef's kiss*
He looks so depressed😭
Star Trek has been low key culturally important, without being in your face. The fact that Paramount has taken down all Star Trek episodes on other platforms, and put them behind a paywall, while at the same time ruining it, is a shame for generations to come. Shame on them. The Orville is the new Trek.
This is so effed up. But I quess that is why VPNs were created as Europe has Star Trek on Netflix.
They took star trek episodes down?
@@DWPL89 Canada too thank God
@@tj9427 Yep. Only available with a Paramount subscription. Hulu and Amazon Prime were my go to for old episodes. All have been removed. 😡
@@SistaCitizen that sucks :( here we have it on Netflix. But now I'm worried we will lose em soon.
Ironically I JUST watched the DS9 episode where Dr.Bashir refuses to replace more parts of the preist guys brain with positronic parts because it would remove his "life spark" and yet we got Frankenstein Picard trying to fix the border crisis.
Favorite quote ever, "That's brilliant, for a stupid person." - Alex.
'This show is as subtle as two fists in your anus' - Alex
“This show is as subtle as 2 fists in your anus.” -Alex
🤣🤣
Truth. This just about killed me.
I caught this comment in the corner of my eye, and thought it didn’t seem more hilarious than a lot of other things Alex has said over the year. In context, however, I’m inclined to agreeing 😂🤣
When every character is miserable, drinks like a fish, swears like a sailor, and shreds Picard for his “white male privilege,” you know it’s not Star Trek anymore.
So many TV shows crib from Twitter trending topics, mainly because the people writing them are rich kids who spend 12 hours a day on there and have no real adversity or problems in life.
@@tehbeernerd 100%
@@tehbeernerd How are the companies that stupid? No show survives being pandered to Twatter because normal people stop watching
Woke Trek
The anti-white propoganda is ramping up.
Ensign Ro was a better Star Fleet officer than Raffi is.
I have to say this: Deck 10 Forward! The location of the Crew Lounge on Enterprise D. Guinan didn't name it, it's just the location on the ship. Why doesn't Patrick Stewart know this?
It's seemingly a small thing right? But it really isn't. Attention to detail is often the difference between good writing and bad writing.
What's wrong? You didn't like two-bit writers taking legendary characters who could travel anywhere in the galaxy, and instead using them as a vehicle to whinge about what they hate in America and their political opponents?
Ahahaha... This show is straight up leftist/democrat propoganda. And if you say you don't like it, you're probably an -ist!
Wish someone will tell mr "i agree with everything" who built the cages.
Yh that's even funnier. It's not world problems its American problems😂
@@missnoncompliant6279 no Drumpf did it because he's orange. Nuance doesn't exist and btw only on this policy we don't look to Europe for Advice. only when it involves Healthcare or other welfare programs do we care what europe does.
@@missnoncompliant6279 I was also thinking this. It's funny to me that he glosses over the fact that Obama started it, and pretended that both sides are to blame for that particular issue😂
This show is the experience of going *SENILE* ..... You see a bunch of familiar things, but they're all off... people speak to you with very simplistic dialogue.... random stuff happens and nothing leads anywhere... and there's a dark, cynical and sinister undercurrent to everything 😕😕
I mean Picard is old so it reflects the show.
No the show is just trash with horrible writing.
"Where's Elnor?"
"Elnor's dead, you killed him you old prick!"
"I didn't kill him, I'm trying to save the universe...again."
Joe Biden the show....got it....I don't want it, take it back and burn it.
@@HM-eg9hv yeah.
Now people are waking up and realizing leftist propoganda is everywhere.
I watched 3 seasons of Star Trek Discovery and I don’t even know why, I hated all the characters. I didn’t even watch Piccard but my gosh I can’t believe they went back in time and had ICE in the show 😂
Hell even The Orville did social commentary better and more nuanced
The mess up wannabe space cowboy guy is named "Rios" so of course they had to have him getting knocked around by ICE because that's what they do - just go around and bash up random Hispanic people for no reason. Reminds me of the equally BS portrayal the Border Patrol got in Terminator: Woke Fate.
Modern Trek is a sledgehammer to the face and they're very Hollywood liberal.
46:00 Joe trying to make sense of the plot holes with Guinan's past has an easy answer: The Picard Writers didn't watch TNG. They read a one page series synopsis.
"... as subtle as two fists in your anus." - Alex. I laughed my ass off at this. I agree with his opinions though.
You mean you laughed your anus off?
Mike on RLM just off-handedly gave an example of how one might do an allegory of immigration/border control issues on Voyager (of all Trek shows, fucking Voyager!) with the most minimum effort and it was a thousand times more creative, interesting and subtle than what Picard does. Sci-fi is so good at using allegory to cleverly cover social issues and Picard has zero subtlety or nuance at all.
Red Letter Media also has a dumpster fire in the background as they review this show. It's fitting.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
Produced by Alex Kurtzman
@@cliffchai3742 get outta here George!
No doubt AJ watches them too
Yah it fits.
5:18 Astronaut training programs are incredibly hard and rigourous. Space is ridiculously dangerous, highly stresfull, and requires intelligence, professionalism, team work, cooperation, stress resistance, and so on. They select astronauts on these criteria, and on certain personality traits.
If you suffer from depression and anxiety you simply don't get in and don't even get started on astronaut training. At best, you'd get a job at ground control or engineering on the space program or something. But you are NEVER going to space. The fact that the writers of nu-trek don't even know this and have an active astronaut going on a major mission while having SERIOUS personal psychological issues shows just how ignorant these people are about anything space-related, let alone star trek related...
"Space is stupid, unless it's Star Wars" - Kurtzman, probably
Part of new Trek's problem is trying to be adult when it was always an adult show. As a kid I loved watching Trek tackle darker subject matter and learn things about myself and about relatable themes in the real world. As an adult I have a greater appreciation for new perspectives that the old shows have opened up to me on various subjects. Can't get any of that from these new shows.
I’d argue you could from Discovery in seasons 3 & 4 (while unfortunately the show still manages to spectacularly drop the ball, like the reveal of what caused “The Burn” at the end of season 3, and the *HORRENDOUS* redesign of the Ferengi from season 4 that they probably did to make them look more like goblins and less like Jewish caricatures). And while I haven’t watched past episode four, Strange New World’s definitely feels like NuTrek’s apology for the lack of quality writing and the lack of what Trek fans typically like to see from Star Trek in Picard and the first season and a half of Discovery.
@@Popcultureguy3000 Picard isnt bad IMHO. Discovery yeah Idk what they were thinking there. Picard is set in the aftermath of the dominion war. Starfleet has changed, which that is what this show is/was about. Picard hating what it was becoming, and how it was changing. Which is why I loved season 1. Season 2 Idk I kinda did started to feel bored with it. And this is from someone that loves the time travel episodes of star trek. But a whole season to it? Too much. Idk wtf theyre doing with it. Hopefully season 3 is good. Im seeing the episodes are getting way better reviews. And the fact their including the dominon and the old cast into the show, maybe its making a turn around to finish off good. For me Season 1 and possibly 3 is worth watching. 2 is an easy skip or watch once but never again.
when Joe hates something even more than Alex, you know to stay away from it
Alex just kind of doesn’t care. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
@@bustcard more the opposite of passion is indifference.
if you dont care about the show thjen its even worse. atleast some bad shows fuel you with rage like witcher, upcoming lotr.... but this. this is just sad
@@bustcard but the dictionary tells me otherwise 🤔
@@MisterKargar No, Lance is correct. Indifference is WORSE than hate. With hate you have emotion attached that in some level you acknowledge something means something to you. Indifference is worse becuase you don't even recognize it as ANYTHING. This is how the darkest points in human history happen. You stop seeing people as people. You don't care about their feelings, pain, suffering or anything. You get no joy or sadness harming them. You feel nothing and nothing you do to someone else matters. It's almost a bodily function that you don't even think of as you defile someone else. Contrast that with torturing someone you hate. You feel someone as you do it. When you stop feeling, then you are capable of anything and not give it a second thought or even think of after doing it.
I literally believe that if you could bring Gene Roddenberry forward in time and show him these new shows he would never even create Star Trek in the first place.
I think he'd be absolutely stoked at how it evolved wityh the times and how well written it is, and how good the acting became.
@@matbroomfield 😂😂😂
@@matbroomfield evolved with the times my ass heheh. I can appreciate the acting when it's good, but the writing...the writing is rock bottom
Gene Roddenberry already hated TOS, they ruined his baby by making decisions for him and kicking him upstairs. TNG season 1 was his true vision.
@@Edax_Royeaux Yeah, I know he had more influence on early TNG than anything else, and apparently the guy was a real pain to work with. But the levels to which he disliked TOS compared to something like Lower Decks... The man would probably have had an aneurysm after the first 90 seconds of Lower Decks.
Federation officers were total professionals. Officers didn’t lose their shit emotionally over everything. When dealing with their situations Star Fleet officers will make observation but not judgement .
Worst part is Raffi is Captain on one of the training ships for cadets... like a red shirt factory.
@@MrSeriousGuy and this allows her to endlessly "emote" over barely formed relationships with a myriad of cadets instead of you know, becoming an adult and fixing the broken relationship with her son.
i mean, except for counselor troi. still not sure how she got a command position, as far as i know she didnt go to the academy.
Akiva Goldsman. One of the most well-known hacks in Hollywood. He's the guy studios call when they are having issues in in pre-production, perhaps because some studios are trying to be ambitious and trying to imbue creativity within their medium, and Goldsman is notoriously that guy who shows up with the writer's equivalent of a template and pencil, "Save The Cat!" tucked under his arm, ready to phone it in for a bit of money. He's a classic script-doctor, the Hollywood writer equivalent of a handyman who gets the job done cheap, but not done well.
You are absolutely right! Looking as his IMDB writer credits is like list of contents after a trainwreck into a horse manure plant. Almost every outing in scifi -fantasy has been a franchise killer, The Divergance series, The 5th wave, Rings, Lost in Space(Movie), Batman Forever, Batman And Robin, I am Legend, Transformers: the Last Knight, Rings, The Dark Tower! He's been costing on a Bueatiful Mind and Cinderella Man and looking at his producer credits he must be related to someone powerful!
He wrote the script for batman and robin. Enough said
I don't even watch half the shows they do but when there's an angry review I'm here
Basically everyone here at this point.
people love to hate-watch. it works like a charm.
same, i didn't even know the halo show was out until they made their review
I don't watch any Hollywood movies these days from how trash and rainbow warrior the are
I don’t hear anyone talk about discovery or prodigy so i guess they must not be up to par
Y'all remember the episode of TOS where Bones gets transported to the past by The Guardian of Forever and then Kirk and Spock have to follow him to unscrew up the timeline? And the cause was he had saved a woman's life and thus thrown off the timeline so Bones, a doctor, had to make the choice to let her die. It is such a poignant episode and concerns the moral difficulties of time travel.
Joan Collins played the woman. She was famous in the 80s.
Yeah,I'm old.
@@A_CZcams_Commenter One of the best original series episode in my opinion.The writing and the characters were so much better than anything in the past 20 (or 30) years.
“City on the Edge of Forever”
Captain Kirk is the one who stops Doctor Bones from saving her
One of the best Star Trek episodes ever
And it only took 1 episode to resolve the issue...
@@A_CZcams_Commenter Alexis!!
I remember in good Star Trek, when they would have episodes that drew comparisons to current events on other worlds and with other alien species, they would throw out two or three comparisons, where at least one example would show the correlation, and then they would posit some sort of solution. Now it sounds like that's too hard to be creative and pose a What If scenario, so just keep reminding viewers what a shitty world we currently live in, instead of a world where we could at last be better. That latter fact is what keeps me away from the new Star Trek, because it doesn't want to show us overcoming, it wants to keep us down.
The sheer irony that not too long ago sci-fi fans of not just star trek but nearly every other sci-fi world have been clamoring for any of these worlds to be displayed on the big screen only to find out that it shits on everything that originally made them great.
The age old saying is very true : Be careful of what you wish for.
more like somebody wished upon a shooting....
...monkey paw
I just love that they listened to the feedback about the world being too cynical and depressing, for all of ONE episode. Then right back to the cynical, lazy, modern sci-fi, emotion over reason, Kurtzman Trek we all know and love. What a bait and switch.
LOL they know the shows that they want to make..... they just wanted to make sure the majority audience are tricked into watching it. 😕👎
@@Knightfall182 ratings trap
Thats the thing. You think that was them listening ....
That was them saying "oh you dont like our show ...? You want these things? You want different ship? Here, here different ships. Oh you want star fleet to be optimistic and i spiring, here it is. Oh ou want people to respect pocard and you want to see a starfleet crew? Heres all that stuff you wantedNOWWATCHMEFU**INGBLOWUPEVERYTHINGYOULOVE.
the writers of these shows of vindictive nut jobs. They literallt insulted gene roddenberry in discovery. They dont care about star trek. They dont care what people want. They want to do their garbage virtue signalling writing that is completely superficial and meaningless nonsense.
TO be fair alternate timelines and timetraveling does that
To be honest, the first ep that people are raving over is extremely overrated imo... there were a lot of things that bugged me about it that I barely noticed the so-called improvements or feedback fixings... the only good thing about it for me was Q at the end, he was on point as his TNG self than his Voyager self imo... and trust me, there is a difference.
Star Trek, real Star Trek, was always progressive but the stories and lessons have always been told in a allegorical way. That separation from the real world while still tackling real world issues was genius and I'd love to see some intelligence brought back to Star Trek. Almost always there were two sides to every argument and it fell upon the main characters to suss out the "right way", the most moral way, to resolve the conflict. I honestly miss it.
The MESSAGE is quality writing to them apparently.
There are no more allegories in New Trek. It's direct commentary, high emotion, and savage violence now. It's not Star Trek, it's Mass Effect. Done poorly.
Yh but the old star trek progressivness would be seen as Conservative today. Not seeing race? Your a racist😂
The Orville is the only Sci Fi that does that now.
Exactly. Half of the episodes in Tng involves the crew debating their options and/or discussing the moralistic implications of taking certain actions. Star Trek has always been aspirational optimistic sci fi, where people solve problems with logic and compassion.
Sadly, Pickard is just dumb and depressing.
16:00 Give Picard a satisfying ending? I feel like he (and TNG) already got one. All Good Things is an incredible finale to one of my favorite shows. What Kurtzman is doing now is doing his damnedest to make it not so.
In the TNG episode “Drumhead” there is a Vulcan starfleet officer revealed as part Romulan, which would potentially count as the first Romulan starfleet recruit.
Kurtzman has removed from Star Trek what made it great. The ability to make one think without realizing it by presenting different viewpoints and be full of hope. You wanted to live in the Star Trek universe and hope we one day got there. Now you want to forget it even exists because of how much they are butchering all it stood for and anything coming after will have to acknowledge that it exists. Just polluting the pool all over.
You are too forgiving Joe and Alex is for once fully on point here with how it should be treated. The death of a franchise for generic so called woke sci-fi.
Joe did the cringey cosplay and waxed poetic about how brilliant STD was when it first came out too, if you recall. He's either pandering to wokesters or is one himself, which I'm inclined to believe given his insipid socio-political views. I'm not averse to, once Klutzman finally moves on to ruin something else JJ-style, a nice long break after which some handwaving can be done to explain how this pathetic attempt at shoe-horning in an MCU-style universe never actually happened in the narrative timeline.
Star Treck was progressive from the beginning, it´s the picard one that tries to turn it into statement first, anything else second
the dumpster burning in the background is so fitting.
The entire original crew minus Wesley is coming back for the third and final season.
That season 3 teaser is so pathetic and despirate. That season is going to be total garbage.
At least the next season is going to be the last…
Dumpster fire seems to be the fashionable aesthetic for Picard (RLM did that too).
Oh I’m sure Wesley will still make a cameo to “surprise” us all.
I'm always astounded by OJ's and Alex's restraint as Joe mispronounces almost every single name in all shows/movies/games they review :D
"Picard seems to have gotten one of the worst (creative teams)"
You think? Is it worse than Discovery? I think it's on par. As in, it's some of the worst television I've ever watched. I give Discovery a 1 out of 10, and same for Picard.
I'd give it a 3 out of 10 if it didn't shart all over the legacy of real Trek. But since it purposely destroys real Trek in order to make it's asinine points, it gets a 1.
"You think? Is it worse than Discovery?"
Yes
*The whole point of Star Trek is for it to be utopic!* It's supposed to be our most perfect future to give hope to people. Sure there have always been episodes that don't show that, but in the end they all come together and pull through.
This new Star Trek isn't Star Trek. The writers don't know Star Trek.
And even when it's not utopic, such as DS9, they try to keep professional and strive to build a peaceful utopia and try to keep to their morals, and when they fail, to reflect critically on thier actions...
... Not to swear like a sailer and bully everyone who's not -a SJW- 'perfect'
Which episode did you write?
@@gizzad To quote
Steve Hofstetter
: "You don't need to be a helicopter pilot to know that helicopters don't belong in trees..."
@@dwavenminer even characters they bring in to try and pull old fans in don't even behave like themselves.
Even their excuse that technically these aren't the characters we know because it's the Kelvin timeline based on the newer movies not the prime one doesn't make sense. The characters don't even act like themselves in their own series because the writing is so bad.
Even if it's supposedly the Kelvin timeline there's no way the federation would have got to the point it was in on Picard.
Discovery is also so bad and disfunctional that I don't see how it could lead to anything. That's not even mentioning the character relation completely invented out of nowhere just to have them somehow tied to a known and popular character.
I believe it's telling that the honeymoon of Utopic futures is over.
By now we realized how unrealistic those are because someone will always come along to ruin it.
Edward Snowden showed how Little Privacy we have.
Panama papers showed how our elites hide their wealth from us.
And the Pandemic has showed how we can't trust our leaders at all. How we will fight amongst ourselves in the face of danger.
How we even look to get rich from the Pandemic.
How our leaders that we trust are Sociopaths. Who care little about us.
Start Trek is pure almost naive fantasy. I'm not surprised the Writers don't understand Utopia when they've been living in this mundane world that looks like a Dystopia twenty years ago
I love how all these legends from the 80s and 90s are being slowly destroyed for no real reason
There's a reason. It's an agenda from a section a people that wanna tear down heros.
Oh there's a reason, it's called woke liberalism.
It's done for a reason. Deconstruction. The ways of the old must be purged for being too white, too male, etc, and must be replaced with progressive woke bullshit. This is why you see 'girl bosses' in every fuckin TV show and movie now.
@@freeman2399 But is it? Star trek was always "woke". Some of it has aged like milk but for its time even in the beginning it was full of social justice messages with a seemingly communist leaning society during the cold war with a utopian society that appears to not really have $ or if they do its not particularly well needed as well as Russians, Black's, Scots and Asians all able to be part of the same military type crew. What's the difference from star trek being woke in the 60's, 80's, 90's, 2000's vs now?
@@TheDCbiz there's a difference between being progressive and being "woke," as much as I hate that word. Old Trek was well-written and got its messages across subtly. New Trek uses political bologna to get praise without doing anything well. It's pandering for the sake of money with no redeeming qualities.
The thing about how the social commentary in older Trek. Is it was put in such a way as it made the viewer think. It also in many cases let the viewer choose how to feel. Where as new Trek TELLS you this is how you are to think and feel.
Damn when Joe rails against the social justice aspect you know it is bad....
Yeah this season is cringe as fuck. It started off so strong.
I totally agree with Alex and Joe on this,but I couldn't subject my self to season 2 after the horrible season 1 and once I seen the direction of this one I opted out to avoid the pain
I know the pain. I'm somehow curious if this shitshow can get any worse
I’m watching out of morbid curiosity and the nostalgia feels they keep splurging everywhere in desperation. It’s so poor though, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.
They keep saying first two episodes were good ... naaah only episode 2 is ok the rest is a dumpster fire AGAIN
Yeah season 1 was terrible star trek but I watched it anyway. Its OK as a generic sci-fi show, maybe. But then it wouldn't have drawn in all the viewers without the star trek name on it.
me too!
Here’s the issue, Star Trek has never been shy about addressing social and political issues. But, the hamfisted way that the writers are addressing these issues is offensive, lazy and lacking in nuance.
De-canonise all shows after Star Trek: Enterprise. And fiercely deny anything after ever existed. I mean it.
The movie remakes of TOS was actually pretty good in comparison to what's being made now. They at least cared about the source material to write around it, plus it's a separate timeline so it doesn't really effect anything outside of it. So they knew exactly what they were doing with them.
@@mando_dablord2646 I agree, new Kirk was great. Into Darkness was awesome. "Beyond" was so nonsensical though.
Star Trek was about a future where we moved past all the inequalities, that was its draw. This negates that
This show is so frustrating, its like every time they take a step in the right direction they trip and fall and fuck it all up. This plot is legit madness, like wtf are they thinking?
They aren't. Writers are all diversity hires who care more about agenda than making a good show that can stand on its own legs. Why do you think they haven't made anything original in years?
Tbh I would prefer Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 than this
I think they have a whiteboard in a board room where everyone adds a new social/political issue they have to add into the show. Oh let's talk about racism, oh let's add immigration issues as well, now add environmental stuff into the mix, also fascism, also classism. Now we want a coherent plot that ties every single one of these together and we want it by tomorrow.
orange man = bad
“We are pathetic losers piggybacking off the legacy of people who were better than us in every way. LET’S DESTROY THAT LEGACY BECAUSE NILISM!”
I'm amazed this show got a season 2 to begin with. The first season you could teach an entire writing class on what not to do. The pure definition of narrative incompetence.
Discovery is getting a fifth season.
Even Enterprise didn't a fifth season.
The reason for that is because of shorter seasons, they somehow find funds ahead of time to fund multiple seasons at once
Flash is still getting new seasons despite how shit it's become.
@@jlev1028 It's not about quality, it's about ratings... and Flash somehow still gets to top those ratings charts on CW, unfortunately because I used to love that show in the beginning
Because of people like my father. The mega fan he is just never is critical of anything he watches. He has filled my old room with almost 50k$ worth of star trek stuff hes been collecting before I was even born some 30+ yrs ago, some signed by the cast of the original series and the next generation. Just let's it all go for in the moment.
They are not listening to feedback, at least not to anything that can't be changed in post, like that fleet in episode 1.
That is why they started shooting season 2 and 3 right after season 1 started airing, before any reviews or audience reception could come in.
"They just gloss over the fact Picard's dead and this is just a synthetic body"
Perfect summary of this show. A puppet being paraded on stage for nostalgia.
Given the "current thing" mentality of the political commentary in this show how funny is it that Stacey Abrams is the tyrant dictator of earth? Just goes to show how tone deaf they are. They wanted her in a prominent role because she is a political activist the writers align with or look up to. So they made her president, not understanding that if she is president in 2024.... that means she is in charge of and enacting all these horrendous policies they hate so much.
Inject this and the Red Letter Media reviews directly into my veins. Kurtzman butchering this franchise needs some compensation.
The third and fourth episodes were so funny because it literally felt like they paused their pointless story, got out a checklist of things that are bad about today's world, and just looked directly into the camera and read down the list and called it a day. I remember star trek that had a nuanced social/political or ethical message baked into compelling stories. Now it's all trash with lazy cameos and lazy virtue signals glittered on top to hide the turd under the lazy polish.
they have the most ST shows running at once, while simultaneously having the worst ST shows running at once.
The Star Trek franchise has always been one of the leaders on social messages. The writers of this show are causing damage to the message they want to spread. That takes some effort and skill?... lack of skill? Not really sure, but it is impressive.
I can't understate how awesome it is to see how OJ has grown so much as an online personality.
From what I'm getting, this show's level of social commentary is:
"Racism is bad, MKay?!... you shouldn't do Racism, cause Racism is bad"
*(but only certain kinds of racism)
This show had ONE great effect on me. It made me watch the old series again.
TNG came up with an analogy for climate change in season 7 (Force of Nature) where they discovered their warp drives were damaging the fabric of the universe and they needed to acknowledge it and make some sacrifices (like limiting warp speeds) while they work towards a solution for the future. Voyagers warp drive was actually different because of changes made to make it safer to travel at high speeds.
Picard is just like "FUCKING CLIMATE CHANGE. IT'S BAD"
Ironically that episode mirrored real life more than you think.
Yes the federation limited warp speed of travel among their fleet. Their gesture however was meaningless because every other Space faring Civilizations chose not to. Without everyone else doing the same, the federations sacrifice wouldn't change the inevitable outcome.
In real life the majority polluters are China and India. It literally doesn't matter how much carbon neutral the United States goes. Unless everyone is on board, there's no point.
@@bobbycecere1037 The us is up there with China and India for being the world's biggest polluters however you, like so many others, seem to miss the point about doing what you can.
It doesn't matter if everyone else isn't trying, are you a follower or do you want to lead?
Did the federation want to be the first to develop new warp drives or wait until competitors had them?
I'll never understand the attitude of right wingers that make the poor argument that the yanks and Chinese are still polluting like mad so why is my country not looking to the future and cleaning up the shit around me that I have to live in.
Let them live with polluted water, food that is mostly chemicals and piss poor air.
I want better than them.
The thumbnail is *PURE GOLD*
Says everything about modern Star Trek.
Funny... since they start by saying they liked the first season.
@@HellfireHellesto The first season was trash, and I won't be bothering with season 2.
@@HellfireHellesto watch the reviews...
@@HellfireHellesto LOL are you dumb? Watch it again... they're being sarcastic. They HAted Season One of Picard
@@HellfireHellesto they said they enjoyed the first episode of the first season not the season as a whole.
16:25 so now you know how it fucking feels.
Dr. Who has been this way for 4 or 5 years now and we fans have been getting pissed to the point the actually pulled the show of the air and are now questioning if it should come back.
Dr. Who and Star Trek are great shows that follow the same concept.
I love Doctor Who but it is dead to me now.
@@michaeldunlap1364 Dr. Who should either die with dignity or get a VERY hard reboot.
@@dakotachannel8142 ya that's the doctor that killed the series and is now on life support
Thank you for saving me from watching this. So sad they ruined Star Trek.
We don't have to acknowledge this crap, we'll always have the classics at least until someone who cares about Trek gets control of the show.
Last Hope: "The Orville" ;) The closest TNG we can get
Star Trek Voyager was one of my favorite series going from that to trying out Picard makes me feel like I'm throwing thumbtacks down my throat.
Try "Prodigy", I honestly think it's a better show and a spiritual successor to Voyager.
I do have to say, try to put up with the main character, Dal, for the first 4-5 episode, he's quite a selfish unlikeable brat in those episodes, but he grew, and really takes the responsibility in the later episodes.
@@goonerOZZ What are you talking about? It's nothing like Star Trek, it's more like a Clone Wars knock off.
@@666chapelofblood here's my take, Prodigy is made for kids, and kids these days are not so much into Star Trek, yes it has borrowed notes from Clone Wars and Avatar, and it really shows in the 4-5 episodes, BUT it really does SLOWLY insert the Star Trek shows that we know and love, the episodic nature of problem of the week and the optimistic nature of the Federation.
This show is TEACHING KIDS of what is Star Trek. And seriously, outside of the art style it really is nothing like clone wars.
@@goonerOZZ , LOL!!! Who is Prodigy made for? All of those 40 year old little kids? Haaahahaaaha!!!
Most people who watched Voyager aren't going to watch Prodigy, a show for little kids. Little kids aren't going to care about Voyager. So whoever greenlit this garbage needs to be fired for extreme stupidity.
But you... To tall an adult to watch Prodigy. Wow. It's definitely not Clone Wars. It's closer to ReBoot from 1994. Just trash.
In a good Star Trek show, the writers would take a modern day problem and invent a civilization with the same problem for our heroes to try and fix it with their unbiased logic and ethics. And even then, a good writer would know not to write the opposing side as evil. Why would a Conservative give Kurtzman the time of day when he goes out of his way to portray ICE as sadistic assholes? When you paint the opposition as mustache-twirling villains, the opposition walks way, resulting in your show not being about unity and becomes a tool to pat your own side on the back.
No offense but who wants scifi escapism with real world problems and angst? :d It's precisely why I don't read anything else than scifi, to avoid mundane crap.
@@andyhull9182 Great sci-fi has the power to talk about the present, but also be timeless at the same time in its messages. The problem is that these writers apparently don't read any books and seem to get their "culture" fix by watching CNN and reading Buzzfeed articles. This show is a damn shame.
@@andyhull9182 Not to mention how watching and reading Sci-Fi from 50 years ago is somehow MORE relevant to todays issues than this crap lol
You don't have to convince me that there is a lot of problems with ICE. But abolishing them seems to be one of the dumbest and most naive ideas to me.
Yes, exactly. The writes don't take the time to understand any of the issues they are writing about and they have no faith in the audience to comprehend anything that isn't delivered with a sledge hammer.
One might say that Star Trek IV was maybe not the strongest of the old movies, but the time travel made sense on a basic way and damn the humor was incredible. Like McCoy saying to Spock: "What, I have to die in order to be able to discuss death with you?" Or Spock jumping into the whale tank without telling Kirk and Kirk was like..."What the....?" Or the hospital scene where McCoy gets a meltdown after seeing all the medical treatments that he considers Medieval dark ages. There are so many subtle jokes in those films that hit the mark. Good times man.
I simply refuse to watch how they massacre poor old picard.
If star trek Picard season 1 was terrible then why should season 2 be any different?
I mean critism is fine but I think that's a pretty stupid logic tbh. Why would something not have the potential to improve?
@@fleeplayTV because we knew this dumpster fire was going to be straight ass cheeks which we were right for the 86th time
Star Trek shows often starts out weak, but I guess never quite this weak so
Believe it or not it had a glimmer of acutely being interesting with the first and second episode.
....it didn't pan out, but was enough to get me to watch and yes I know I should know better.
@@survoah back then maybe but not lately
Social justice elements are ruining a show? Wow what a surprise I've never ever heard of that happening
At this point, I openly ask myself if it's even social justice elements so much as total hacks who clearly love to appropriate imagery of said progressiveness while showing blatant contempt to those same groups they fetishize as a wholesale. Paramount doesn't give too shits about woke culture except something to exploit while looking good; if they at all cared about making it better, they certainly wouldn't be so contemptuous to things like treating representation like _people_ than characters. Star Trek has always been socially just as all hell, but these hacks clearly didn't care about the message that the original series offered of hope, logic and compassion and tossed it out in order to do it 10x worse.
Never forget: they're only doing this because it's "profitable" to fake brownie points. Don't forget even a two decades ago gays were still widely prosecuted and that the shows of the time regularly tried to bury it.
As the Joes said here, it's not the message or the progressive ideas, it's the hamfisted way they're shown. Good execution can sell just about anything.
For example, a TV show can say "the way we look at immigrants is fucked up" without literally having some ICE agents show up and ruthlessly assault a side character.
This drove me crazy Joe kept saying "Captain Ramos". It's not the character's name.
“Set phasers to stupid” - That sums it up well.
You heard the "Well there is more ST than ever, so that means it's GOOOOD" defense of Kurtzman Trek?
They're literally saying that quantity is superior to quality. Weak sauce.
CBS/Paramount needed a tentpole franchise to prop up the service... and Star Trek is one of their most beloved/popular IP's... they are throwing money at the wall to see what sticks
I'm a Star Trek fan and I haven't watched a single minute of Discovery or Picard. Reviews like these only further validate my decision to steer clear of them.
Discovery is pure blasphemy.
I'm just sick and tired of these after school special messages that most shows now a days try to impart on us. Yes, people are awful to each other and yes the earth is in a bad place right now but that's why I watch Star Trek: it's a hopeful future and a vision of what humanity could be. It's great escapism. The people these shows try to lecture to aren't watching this show so this seems kinda redundant.
As this trend of hamfisted messaging drags on for another year, I’m now convinced that the people who write like this aren’t doing it for YOUR benefit, but for THEIRS. It’s nothing more than validation among their other writing buddies and critics who want to endear themselves to writers. It’s an exclusive club and you’re not invited, but you’re expected to watch. It’s aggravating if you agree with the messaging, and alienating if you don’t.
Yes but 'the message' needs to be injected into everything. Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State. Escapism is not allowed citizen.
@@tehbeernerd Cause the people population Hollywood are narcissists who think they are more important than they are and are duty to bound drag the unwashed masses to the next golden age when in reality most of them are sexual abusers and drug addicts
@@LoneWolf-rc4goService guarantees citizenship
There is hope in that things have gotten so bad that many are just going, “Fuck it, I’ll do it myself!” and are actively creating alternatives. It’s small for now but the sheer existence of infrastructure for an alternative is enough to break the monopoly.
And it doesn’t help these pathetic losers that they tend to support bullshit politically that pisses off everybody.
The tide is definitely turning although there’s a lot of damage in this Culture War we’re in.
The thing that's stupid about all these issues (deportation, climate change, depression) is that in the future presented all these problems were already solved! If someone who came from a future where these problems were already solved, they would logically go to the world leaders and say "Okay. Here's how you solve x. Here's how you solve y. Here's how you make a replicator." What's worse, is that the smart writers of Star Trek 4 already did what I'm suggesting! Scotty gave the Navy the formula for transparent aluminum! He solved one of Earth's problems right there!
That's it! This show doesn't teach morals or lessons on the social issues it peaches about, because it just points at them and says "bad." It doesn't ever present us an alternative to enjoy and learn from. It doesn't ever show us the pure utopian STAR TREK future where humanity has solved those issues.
To be fair, even the world posed by Star Trek is fiction in the sense that we hardly see the Utopia. Instead we see the crew and their ship in space where they face challenges.
Almost as though even the original writers can't even envision what a utopia could look like. Just bits and crumbs of it.
Honestly, I don't think humanity can solve issues. You solve one problem only to discover you create two new problems and it's been a battle of keeping the major problems in check.
Pointing at the bad is critical theory in action, the true philosphy in the writing room. It's not supposed to give solutions. It's customary to point at attempts at solutions and problematise those too as the aim is to destroy whatever system is in place, not fix it. It's also easy, nuance and solutions are hard. Stupid people like easy.
As for Utopia, it is from the Greek ou-topos meaning 'no place'. One mans utopia is another mans hell. Which itself could be actually challenging material for a more intelligent writing team. But not these children, that they can form a script of pure stupid made of swearing is probably a major achievement.
@@silverhawkscape2677 because utopias aren´t intresting without conflict and there is always something going on in space
Focusing on time travel for Star Trek story arcs has never gone well.
And for an entire season arc too... at least legacy Trek kept them isolated to one or two eps per season
Yeah I've watched every episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise growing up in the late 80's-90's as well as both Lower Decks and Picard and I've watched all the movies, I also read the books almost religiously and so that's a lot of Star Trek but for some crazy reason as many times as I've tried I just can't sit through a single episode of the Original series or Discovery!
TOS is tough to watch. You really need to ignore the "cheesiness" and put yourself back in time. It's even harder for younger views since their world has this technology from birth. The original series "invented" desktop computers, floppy disks, CD roms, video conferencing, medical computers, motion sensor doors, IPADs/Tablets, even lasers. All of these things didn't exist. Once you put your mind back then, you can appreciate the imagination they had. All shot on COLOR film which was rare and expensive for back then. Truly pushing TV to the limits back then.
@@ahampel22 Yeah, apparently the mere fact that Uhura was a full bridge officer of rank was pushing it, and apparently the episode where Kirk and Uhura kissed was so controversial that they were lucky they slipped past the censors just because he was white and kissing a black woman. I do try to remember that when I watch.
TOS and TAS are really hit or miss. Some really cool episodes in the mix, space seed was cool and set up Wrath if Kahn. Then you get an episode where Kirk and some Klingons laugh a superpowered alien away.
I had a major problem with the first episode. The phaser battle on the bridge with the Borg queen.
1) The lack of discipline on the part of the crew. When their Captain Rios yells cease fire, they ignore him.
2)Instead of the crew targeting their weapons on one spot (glowing spot on the Borg Queen's helmet) with continuous beams from massed phasers, hopefully each at a different frequency to make it difficult for her to adapt to them. They fire randomly.
3)The weaponry: instead of operating the way phasers in ST do firing continuous beams they fired like Star Wars blasters. Gee whiz,I wonder why!!!??
Obviously the series is still suffering from Kutrzman poisoning!!!!😵😵😵😵😵👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
I feel there’s simply no way for the audience to feel invested in Picard as a character anymore when he’s way past his prime and really just being dragged along into conflict at this point.
Not just dragged along. Hes being raked over the coals for being a straight white male. Hes evil and he has to appologise for existing. He has to pay his penance. Because the writers say so.
This wouldn't be a problem if Patrick Stewart didn't insist on ruining his legacy to play not the same Picard on purpose, and he doesn;t have to be an action star... he never was to begin with... if he played his original version of Picard, his age wouldn't really be that big of a hurdle
I think this would have worked if the writers had taken notes from Batman Beyond. In that series, Bruce Wayne recognizes that he is way past his prime and serves as a mentor to the new Batman. Even though Bruce is in the mentor role, he is still critical to the story because his past comes back to cause problems for him and he often has to navigate conflicts with the new Batman. Also, it feels more natural when Bruce finds himself engaged in one of the adventures. I would have liked to have seen Picard take this route with a new junior officer.
Y'know, the first episode was so close to being good, I felt genuinely excited. It was far and away better than anything the first season produced and was the best Star Trek related.. well, anything in decades. I was surprised. Hell episode 2 wasn't as good, but it was still fun. And then it fell off a cliff and somehow was worse than season 1, complete with pandering, vulgarity, plot holes, retcons, idiotic characters with no personality... what a train wreck.
I remember the first episode. That's where a supreme being put the entire human race on trial for being savages and put them to a test where if the passed they'd be allowed to continue to exist, but if they failed the supreme being would wipe them out with the snap of his fingers. Sounds great to me! Oh wait, that was TNG...back when it still had all Star Trek DNA. Picard (the series) is trash.
You had me at pandering to know to avoid the show completely
The first ep is overrated as fuck, and the 2nd ep I couldn't even finish it and have not gone back to watch anymore of this show
The best Star Trek related content is in fact a fucking parody of it called "The Orville"
How can they explain Data and his daughter in this “timeline” being a doctor and a repeat cloning failure?
I could see Elnor being the first full blood Romulan to graduate from the academy. It took ages for a Vulcan to do it and they are a founding member world whereas Romulans aren't even Federation members. I do agree that we needed more of a time skip between seasons given that half the crew are now Captains and Elnor is graduating. Like I can see Rios being promoted to Captain upon rejoining because he was practically there when he left, but Raffie was no where close to command material.
Come Christmas time, I’m going to turn this review on my living room because at this point this roast is more intense than any virtual fireplace on CZcams.
The problem is that they claim to be "challenging" their audience, but there's no challenge about it. They're saying obvious things are bad. That's not a challenge. It's grade school arithmetic.
not even, "kids in cages" shit is fake and everyone pretends our border polices are so bad yet ignore european polices outright? why? thought we were susposed to be wanting to be like europe? show me a country where you can illegally cross the border and be handed a cell phone and a bus ticket into the center of the country by the literal government?
It’s not even that challenging.
It’s just a bunch of man-children whose idea of a bad day is someone replying to their tweet with a “No, that’s a bad idea.”
@@asimhussain8716 politics and social issues have always been in media, but they usually presented it in an even field, giving you both or all the sides of the argument and left you the audience to make your own decision on where you lie in the discussion. now its, "This is the right answer, and this is the wrong answer, if you dont agree with me you are a bigot."
I love that Joe makes a review on a show he hates that´s longer than the episode itself.
The difference between old Trek writers and new Trek "writers":
The former were *science-fiction* writers who loved the genre, and they included social commentary to add additional depth and meaning to their stories.
The latter are *social activists,* concerned primarily with preaching the MESSAGE, and they include science fiction because it's required.
Unfortunately, it's just a natural consequence of the environment that Hollywood has cultivated over the past few years. It's got a one-track mind. I'm not sure it's currently capable of doing any better, because it's allowed itself to be overrun with so many people who think the same way -- who obsess over the same topics -- and they naturally reinforce one another's beliefs.
Many of them are probably honestly shocked when general audiences reject their programmes, because they live in such a self-congratulatory bubble ...
Anyone who *didn't* live in this bubble would instinctively know that preaching the same banal messages at people again and again and again in their ENTERTAINMENT, in their escapism, is extremely pretentious and off-putting -- to people of all political persuasions.
This and the review from RLM are the only Star Trek content I have a desire to see.
Then you would like the Critical Drinker’s Star Trek content.
He’s refused to see the new season but he brilliantly breaks down the differences between old and new Trek.
Holy shit!! AJS acknowledging social justice in a show??!! It must be laid on THICK for them to acknowledge such a thing.
To be fair to Joe, if something is painfully woke, he will call it out. See: Texas Chainsaw massacre sequel on Netflix.
@@Rasengan578 Maybe his sensitivity is changing. 🤞 I know in the past he had jumped on the "all the ____phobes are just going complain about _____" train. When often times people just don't like ideas or preferences rammed down their throat constantly to the point of uncontrollable eye rolling. Definitely a noticable shift in their position from some prior videos.
I skipped the TX Chainsaw video of theirs though, had no interest in the movie. 😉 I'll take your word. 😁
Star Trek: Thicc social justice chunks
As a conservative who loves TNG and DS9. They're not reaching me. I watched season 1 of Pickard and will not watch anymore. If I turn on a show and 3 minutes in, I'm getting propaganda shoved down my throat, I turn it off and don't have any desire to watch it. Doesn't matter how popular it is. It's not an echo chamber problem. Leftists won't watch right wing material for the same reason. Tons of shows from the 90's had amazing social commentary that talked about both sides of issues. Just can't have good TV anymore because of zealots.
3 out of 10 seems high at first, but then you remember the special effects are ok, it's shot and lit competently, and the costume designer seems to be doing an ok job. It's only really the characters, writing and story that let it down.
Imagine talking a person into watching star trek and tell um how good it is and then only show them modern trek. That's Other Joe, he must hate this by now.
"This show is as subtle as two fists in your anus" Best Alex quote ever.
Episode one was horrible. They said the ship was new and then a refit. But, most egregious? A star fleet captain said, “stop firing” and no one listened. That would never happen.
58:35 Mind you This Soong is also an ancestor of Soon from Enterprise who himself was an ancestor of the Soong who made Data
There's a distinct difference in my opinion between having an episode or season with a ideological theme and sending a direct, specific political message. The way this season has been written, having the main plot centered in 2024, focusing heavily on the massive societal problems in the world in general and the US specifically, is such a terrible mistake. They might as well have had Picard turn to the camera and shout "Don't vote for Donald Trump" for all the nuance this writers room can afford
Exactly. You don't convince someone to do something simply by shouting how evil they are, you convince them by taking a serious look at the situation, explore why someone might believe either side of the issue is correct, and then have the characters make a moral decision and explain why they believe it is the right one.
The writers on Picard probably were just hired because they are related to the two dozen executive producers.
I was not even aware of the fact that they were making a second season - and now here we are.
I love how as they talk about the story Alex's shirt keeps coming off more and more and more as It's like a perfect mirroring of the starfleet Picard it's as they go on it's less and less and less and less starfleet
I love that you guys are all waking up.
I watched TNG because of the RLM crew listing their favorite episodes. Its pure science fiction at its finest. You guys should watch TNG with or without other Joe, and do something similar. Thats an awesome discussion I'm happy for. Because that's what good Science fiction writing does. Picard is the compete opposite of good science fiction and its just sad at this point.
rich evans is a treasure!
If you enjoyed TNG you should totally check out the TOS. Some of the original series are timeless and fantastic AND better science fiction than tng.. And the first six movies.....four of them are actually good ;)
Between this and Halo I’d say the moral of the story is don’t trust Paramount+ with Sci-Fi properties
I blame CBS mostly because most of these projects started under their purvue until the transition
I wasn't sure if "Picard" was really as bad I thought it was, until I came across these reviews. You guys are spot on. It's hard to imagine a "sequel" spin-off spiraling so far away from anything it is based on, AND, being terrible to boot.
"it would make sense if towards the end of our lifecycles, we age faster"
alien menopause would have been a much better explanation than what they had
Star trek: A far future human civilization where every social problem has been fixed and humanity can focus on exploring the universe
New Star trek: Hur dur, hyperbolic social issues and explosions
When letting the deportees out, the only concern isn't one of them might be a killer or dangerous. One of the most classic episodes was centered around doing the right thing at the wrong time. So maybe they go, reform the system but the reformed system now butterflies into a completely different future.
But is murder done by a brown person actually wrong? People is Pedowood are special kind of sick.
World War III probably won't be prevented by some escaped deportees, as it's only a few years away, and they'll all likely die anyway.
Guessing you're referring to "The City on the Edge of Forever" where saving an innocent woman's life whom Kirk had fallen in love will change the timeline and result in the US being more pacifist and Nazi Germany conquering the world. So they have to let an innocent and good person, someone Kirk loves, walk out in front of a car and die. Yeah, that would never happen in the live action cartoon that is Picard.
@@thisguydan damn that's deep
Literally this. The prisoners probably don't matter much, but you could use the violent escape of immigrants as a butterflyx effect... easily. Media suddenly starts shouting about immigrants evil and all that shit that happens right now too, put it up to 11, suddenly having sanctuaries and violent xenophobia seems a matter of time etc.
Remember Star Trek 4 the voyage home? Which had a heartfelt message about animal cruelty and hunting to extinction... but the story and characters were so F**king good it didn't need to shove the message down your throat. You got both: Entertainment AND a thought provoking message.
This show has fans. Actual fans that enjoy it. How?! Please someone tell me how!
Trek fans haven't had Trek on TV since 2005... they were STARVING for something...anything with the Trek name attached, I am convinced
Because most of those fans are only into dark, edgy shit. They're like Snyder fans.
@@MedalionDS9 And said fans also avoid anything that does not have the Trek name on the title despite doing things way better such as The Orville.