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Intro:
Today we’re dealing with the tragic tale of Behind The Meme and issues surrounding semantics regarding that, and boy, do we have a lot to discuss, however, today I want to also talk about philosophy too, because I think it encompasses an interesting element of content creation, and we’ll get to that in a bit, but first, Behind The Meme, who is he, to all those who may not be aware of his infamy.
So essentially, Behind The Meme is a meme channel set up by creator Kyle Bryce, don’t worry his name is public, which he brands as having the intention of educating those who are unfamiliar with memes, providing the audience with a relatively light explanation of the origin of the meme and applications of it. To take a quick example, Harambe, Harambe is a gorilla who eventually became a meme after the meme connoisseurs picked it, and in this instance Behind The Meme explains how Harambe has came to be, you know, whole enclosure incident, satirisation of people’s reaction, and so on.
These videos rapidly picked up steam, with views coming in from the first upload. This wasn’t Kyle’s first channel, so he knew how to make his video semi-competent, although you can tell his microphone isn’t the best, he quickly upgraded and realised the business opportunity. It was all going right, video after video was a hit with the audience, and he was flying high with an audience who had his back.
Yet fast forward less than two and half years later, and it’s almost like we’ve stepped into a different dimension. The happy, colourful Behind The Meme is gone, and in his place is a shell, a shell that is the draw of multiple controversies over the span of a year. What happened? Well after a spell where his videos were performing abysmally with views and ratings alike, he took a break, now we’ll delve into the details of why this flatlined in a bit, stay patient my friends. However, with every break, came the return. And Behind The Meme came back to a fanfare of broken brass. However, the video he posted “What happened to Behind The Meme” seemed to represent a perspective of hope, one in which he had been dragged down by so much, but now he was in a better place, ready not to fumble this situation. He had almost 800,000 subscribers, most of us will never receive that opportunity. He was a new man, ready to take on the world.
But then he posted a five part series, which were abstract in their presentation and disturbing in their subtext, with vague, foreshadowing language. A far cry from his initially rather innocent, child-friendly content of his meme synopsis videos. This understandably had people concerned.
Now we’re going to address that in due course, but I wanted to provide a quick rundown of what’s going on.
Today I have a lot of questions, that many people have, why did this happen, why did the innocent meme reviewer end up in what must be some sort of delusional state of mind, what were the causes of this, were these causes justified? How could such a cheerful person, so intent on spreading knowledge turn into one of the most twisted characters online.
EDITING CREDITS BELOW:
New video, hope you guys enjoy, think it’s one of my favourites, but might soon find out that it’s awful, Idk, only thing I wanted to say was that when I’m talking about subjectivity, I think I make it clear that I’m talking about what we derive, but in case anyone doesn’t hear that, let me emphasise that I’m not doubting existence. And no the thumbnail isn't a typo you see we go "behind the memes" as a general concept too, see how intelligent I am.
CHECK OUT THE EDITORS:
- Benjamin Rogers: twitter.com/BenjaminRogersX
- hihi: czcams.com/users/Hihi2234
- Metaroose: czcams.com/channels/Xjh0ccvvtZB6oz8Mp-1F1A.html
- Urban: czcams.com/users/UrbanMythXXXX
- Cringestoph: twitter.com/cringestoph28
Part 1 References - Benjamin Rogers
Behind The Meme Channel: czcams.com/channels/dsE9y553KP7Z7MDXzM1sRg.htmlvideos
Behind The Meme Harambe: czcams.com/video/DyCfihNJ-WU/video.html
Original Return Video: czcams.com/video/E-sypL1NfcM/video.html
Five Part Series:
czcams.com/video/9fQhj77xxbI/video.html
czcams.com/video/V_8gUXN-ug8/video.html
czcams.com/video/_RIkdqC-IV8/video.html
czcams.com/video/PPdmoY3MJrc/video.html
czcams.com/video/y_nWl1gVAts/video.html
Explanation video: czcams.com/video/dlr4xY5c-aU/video.html
Part 2 References - hihi
Draw my life: czcams.com/video/6ZoYRNSUOnU/video.html
Meme Trend Over Last 5 Years, highlight 13 August (start of Behind The Meme’s channel): trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=meme
Behind The Meme Harambe: czcams.com/video/DyCfihNJ-WU/video.html
Dat Boi video: czcams.com/video/mcWSKXDxY-0/video.html
Doge: czcams.com/video/Yj7ja6BANLM/video.html
Matthew Santoro’s Channel: czcams.com/users/MatthewSantorovideos
Matthew Santoro video example: czcams.com/video/u6qi1jonrQM/video.html
Part 3 References - Metaroose
EmpLemon’s Video: czcams.com/video/qFGqhEVr7lk/video.html
Pyrocynical’s video: czcams.com/video/l9axtFGfGB8/video.html
Videos on Jinx:
czcams.com/video/1agZNUSsrSo/video.html
czcams.com/video/QrhWjEoRuBA/video.html
czcams.com/video/c5Gde-5FRWA/video.html
Videos on Lele Pons:
czcams.com/video/6O2rbZ-nHbw/video.html
czcams.com/video/E5brXj5elFo/video.html
czcams.com/video/ggNroubz4ME/video.html
Responding to 4chan: czcams.com/video/2XJX4Zy9_aI/video.html
Part 4 References - Urban
EmpLemon’s Video: czcams.com/video/qFGqhEVr7lk/video.html
Fantano’s video on Behind The Meme: czcams.com/video/aXkG32ky4Lc/video.html
Behind The Meme’s Response: czcams.com/video/Z9XPwboXkVc/video.html
Matthew Santoro My Abuse Story: czcams.com/video/_0Ho2uLfKxo/video.html
Doge Video: czcams.com/video/Yj7ja6BANLM/video.html
Gru’s Plan: czcams.com/video/5FbnNtmVAo0/video.html
Behind The Meme’s First Couple Videos on Stefan Karl:
czcams.com/video/6pvipi5jzPk/video.html
czcams.com/video/CFazYz_Ar7o/video.html
Pyrocynical’s video: czcams.com/video/l9axtFGfGB8/video.html
Videos with positive like/dislike ratio before August:
czcams.com/video/3lGnJa96tuM/video.html
czcams.com/video/FGUHHsBDvpA/video.html
czcams.com/video/onC2AgrJ8dg/video.html
czcams.com/video/tjsaHBI0CMA/video.html
czcams.com/video/I-u-05NhHyM/video.html
czcams.com/video/Pg070JXlrgc/video.html
Videos with negative like/dislike ratio after August:
czcams.com/video/xs-ZQKO0alo/video.html
czcams.com/video/P1EL1LUokwY/video.html
czcams.com/video/GHfFrb00OG4/video.html
czcams.com/video/ZpSwgUGavSU/video.html
czcams.com/video/wBdIQ6Zsijw/video.html
Part 5 References - Cringestoph
Five Part Series:
czcams.com/video/9fQhj77xxbI/video.html
czcams.com/video/V_8gUXN-ug8/video.html
czcams.com/video/_RIkdqC-IV8/video.html
czcams.com/video/PPdmoY3MJrc/video.html
czcams.com/video/y_nWl1gVAts/video.html
Explanation video: czcams.com/video/dlr4xY5c-aU/video.html
Video about being doxxed: czcams.com/video/djBRqNui5r4/video.html
The Right Opinion hay I wanna ask for a request on a video, could you do a video on anything about South African history, preferably from the 1950 on! Thank you and keep making videos❤️
So many CREDITS
21:40 Isn't radical change the best possible scenario after heavy criticism?
Tro I NEED you to just listen to this song because it would just suit your background music in videos so well. It would suit you so well because... yeah. Lol. Anyway here’s the link czcams.com/video/_LFY5FZ0Zgs/video.html
Great video!
*Claiming to be a Memelord automatically makes you a Normie*
huh thank god i'm not one of thos- *looks at username* Shiet!
That makes absolutely no sense but okay
Parents, do your kids a favor, and spend time with them 24/7 while they're at their computers, tablets, and phones. Ha ha.
This is so true
I call myself one, but really only as a joke or gag.
People wanted BTM to kill himself because he was """attacking""" their beloved meme culture...
I love society
*We are straying further from god.*
@@fexarii
I think that, in reality, God is straying further from us...
*because he feels nauseous!*
@Hermes Carraro *Omg, yes*
@@fexarii
Yup
Kill himself? No. Stop? Yes.
There's a difference. The man was seen as a shill who attracted mainstream attention to a subgroup of people who rally against the mainstream. I guess you could say that they are "hipsters". The man then also had the lack of forethought to attempt to go after 4chan. Fucking 4chan. He also decided to go after Anthony Fantano, someone who was making much better content tackling similar issues on his 3rd channel. He attacked titans with a peashooter. He brought this shit on himself.
"guys, please don't explain memes because that's my only personality trait, I only know memes better than others, it would suck to lose that"
"my life revolves around memes it makes me unique from everyone else, and he's explaining the memes, he's ruining everything" the fact that people did over a guy explaining memes, PewDiePie did that but no one told him to kill himself
Casey pewdiepie reacts to the memes, he doesn’t explain it to normies
@@cmonkaratechamp533 no, but he shows it to millions of his fans and since shitty reddit memes are not hard to grasp, it has the same effect
@@erwnbe43 EmpLemon obsessed with memes? Are you stuck in 2014? He's not making YTPs anymore, and now he is doing actual video essays. Sure, his editing style has been influenced by YTPs. But just because he uses memes, that doesn't mean he's OBSESSED with them.
knowyourmeme.com/ yall
Internet: We witch hunted and hated a man to the point where we made him go insane 😢
Also internet: YOU GET A CANCEL, YOU GET A CANCEL, YOU ALL GET CANCELLED
Hard Reset. That’s what the internet needs at this point.
The Internet is at a point where they sympathize with people that got harassed by 4chan anons because he was doing the wrong thing (trying to teach people about memes while not knowing shit about them), but they absolutely hate a man that they THOUGHT that he said the n-word.
Quite a bit of that is probably different people saying different things.
Of course, you're still not totally wrong. This IS the Internet, after all.
Why did you write them like they were two different things?
Cancel culture is the devil himself, it's just evil to destroy someone's real life because internet oopsie
Honestly, I think BTM was one of the most unwarranted cases of hate. Not saying that he couldn't be criticized, but I believe he didn't deserve the constant threats and harassment that he was getting.
Same, tbh
Yeah. Honestly, the fact that pyrocynical has been allowed to dodge a bullet on all of that, as the "dislikes overtook the likes" after he started in on him, has been disappointing. I don't think pyro should apologize for criticizing him, but he never acknowledged that he lit the torches and sharpened the pitchforks, and even had the audacity to revisit BTM and not even acknowledge how stupid these people were being.
Chayyiel Pyro copied emplemon.
Chayyiel Pyro owes him nothing. Not his fault his shit fans can't keep a level head.
@@trentos yeah huh?
*(Looks back at what happened with the Leafy situation)*
It's kinda messed that a guy was being harrased for talking about memes
@BeastUpp ^ He says while getting offended on someone else's behalf
@BeastUpp is it also normal when critics are the same thing as making fun of them?
@CommanderGuy I wasn't talking about that I was talking about the part we're he was docked and then they harrased his girlfriend
That Reinhardt picture always makes me laugh
@BeastUpp youre super fucking offended dude
I can’t believe people are offended over memes being used by ‘locals’ and ‘normies’. Get a job.
Boomer, BTM is generic, his channel would die out quickly, all this drama did is press the FFW button
its called winning the meme war
@@maxHeadroom325rayxerin no.
That's the thing... Your generation is too basic to understand the social complexity of memes. When a normie uses a meme, it's ruined. Memes are meant for the "nerdy gamer" demographic. Normies worry about Snapchat filters and crap.
The nerdy gamer narrative is mainstream now. If you are genuinely a nerdy gamer, you don't care because the mainstream will pass but you will still have your games. The people who are getting angry are normies who jumped onto meme culture and enjoyed it, and are now trying to claim it as their own. BTM was corporate, bland, and sucked, and the criticism against him was justified, but doxxing and death threats are never justified.
I was one of those dumbasses, who's personality was so dependent on memes that I hated him, because it would hurt my fragile "personality". Glad I'm not like that anymore, but I wish I never was.
You stepped the wrong way, but you know the way back, unlike those others. Cheers to you mate, and let's wish that bad part of you just sleep and never awake again
you serious lmao
Diet (but t is silent)
It's okay, you had character development. Good luck in the new challenge!
You had so much development that you felt the need to comment on your development but not your progress...
Good job
This video should have been titled "Behind Behind The Meme".
A missed opportunity ;;;
So Infront the Meme
and make a making off call:behind behind behind meme
Behind the "behind the meme" the meme
That's gay, dog.
Dwayne Johnson tried the "nice guy" persona near the beginning of his wrestling career. Got shut down mercilessly. He turned it around and developed what we know as The Rock.
BeastUpp Like you?
Rocky Miavia.
I mean, he still has a mostly nice guy image, he voice acted in a Disney movie
@@byakuyatogami2905 Yeah he does, just not in wrestling, lol
Dwayne Johnson or "The Rock" is also a Satanist and he's worshipping the EVIL one Satan.
"So you're saying that you liked behind the meme?"
I do and I'm tired of pretending that I didn't.
Kaguyaa liking something is subjective... Kaguyaa isn’t that what they say
How about another meme, internet?
dusitn_ I think we’ve had enough of your memes
Shame, he sucked.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Shame, you're a virgin who witch hunts people who expose your only personality trait to the public.
Never understood why people hated the guy, he just talked about memes lol.
He actually reminded me of Know Your Meme just a bit. And guess what the Internet did with that...?
Because a lot of people didn’t want memes to be mainstream cause when they do, they don’t feel special anymore. Let’s take Jojo for example. If you see a Jojo meme and you understand it you feel special because only a certain subset of people will understand that meme and that’s Jojo watchers.
“Normie” Culture is basically gatekeeping.
Some people are just crazy and felt attacked by BTW like because their only personality is they know meme culture.
It’s crazy how the internet ran this guy into the ground.
TL:DR Some asshole Memers where gatekeepers and didn’t want memes to become mainstream cuz their only personality other than being an asshole is knowing meme culture.
BodaciousDoggo Fellow memer here, fucking disgusting of what happened to him. We memers shouldn’t gate keep people who want to know memey goodness
@@TheDigitalApple I agree completely. I feel so bad for him, I hope he's doing okay today. All he got was endless amounts of hate and I can't imagine how much it could've affected him.
Jeremy House yeah I agree but he didn’t deserve what was done to him.
I think doge should be pronounced "dough gay."
yes. 100%
I still pronounce it like that and still mutter it under my breath whenever I hear it pronounced otherwise.
Whang! I hate them homosexual doughs
We need a petition!
but doggy sounds cuter
Of all channels I thought would be free of drama, it's that one. His videos were so straightforward and free of bias. He was like a visual Wikipedia page for memes. It's so sad things turned out this way.
"He was like a visual Wikipedia page for memes."
no
@@lecorbak could you elaborate?
Yeah
It was a different era of CZcams, the era where you *HAD* to be extremely edgy and anti culture, so it makes sense that this lonely happy guy got torn by people who liked edgy content
@@lollllolll.
it makes sense, but he doesn't deserve the hate that people had.
it makes sense, but it's not what we wanted.
it makes sense, but the answer itself does not satisfy the vast comprehension of the question.
it makes sense, but the damage has been done.
Hearing someone with a posh british accent say "normies" is just amazing and i don't know why
That's not a posh accent, it's just a typical contemporary one. In fact the monocle, suit and top hat really doesn't fit
Also, "absolute cluster fuck"
@@RobBCactive it's pretty posh
What about with a Boston accent?
Norman
Personally, I've always felt that people who get upset when the things they enjoy get popularized are the most immature. It's funny. These are the same people who mock stuff like "not like the other girls" while still labeling themselves as something better than "normies." There's just something so vain and condescending about that sort of approach to memes.
well , when a meme is overused ,its no longer become special and dies. this is why people are upset AND the many new memes stay for from weeks to even DAYS compared to months and years
@@Lightwar49 If they get angry, then let's allow normification continue. Their concerns aren't worth of worry.
Lightwar Gaming All memes have to die eventually. Not letting people enjoy memes out of fear it’ll die quicker because of the “normies” is immature and just weird... like. We need a subreddit for people like you. r/notlikeothernormies. LMAO stop
salem that's already a subreddit
Luca Peyrefitte oh yikes!
Y'all I remember when he got doxxed and honestly did meme culture just really hit the lowest point of their lives like, every time I'm on a meme page there's drama coated everywhere like it's always omg someone who has more followers than me used this meme so the meme is dead now or someone I don't like used this meme so it's cringe now
How did they even get that childish like DEADASS
What a time to be alive
@@serily4524 what was
Seyrath and you're completely wrong
Mostly by peddling in memespeak. Like, deadass.
Well mostly cause since normal people entered meme culture, more and more children came flooding in and tryed to act cool.
In summary:
"We hate this guy because he bypassed our in-group's gate keeping, making us feel insecure as he exposed what we thought were our treasured secrets to the outer group, whom we call 'normies', who are people we perceive to be normal and not social pariahs, like we think we are. Stay away, society! We are the new cool kid outcasts and don't want none of your normality!"
Fair enough?
Cheers.
Edit: Grandma corrections.
I don't hate him.
Ehhh it's more like there's two sides to this. One group Reeee normie I'm a little bitch boy and the other was hey this guy makes shit videos maybe you should improve your videos.
if you've been a part of the meme-communities for a longer time you would also notice that the quality of both the people and the content has been degrading. The idea that "normies ruin the community" is not too far-fetched, because every single community becomes by default worse the more casual people there are. Though it's not about "normies vs outsiders", it's honestly just that the ocmmunity has become too big, anything mainstream turns to shit because there are too many people
BTM misrepresented memes by portraying them in a poor normie matter. He does deserve criticism, he does deserve to be called out, but he doesn't deserve the harassment and doxxing he had. The calling out was good in the beginning, but it got carried away.
@@inversion9651 this is true.
people suck man. this poor guys career was ruined for literally no reason.
He DID fake his suicide for views though so... he's not exactly a saint either.
@@SiamHossain7 I mean he kinda did, but he didnt explicitly say that he was gonna kill himself.
Fuck EmpLemon.
I used to like his content back then, but things went awry when people feed him some death threats for "killing muh memes" agenda. That being said, I think it's not BTM's fault for starting the whole hatedom in the first place. He also retaliated once by faking his death just to get attention. I think this is the audience's fault for throwing tomatoes for no reason at all, the more hatred he got, the more matter worst than before. The word "criticism" isn't even a word anymore, it's becoming more of a bullying (cyberbullying).
Out of topic, this is the same kind of situation happened to any people or concepts that the community wanted them to cease out of existence -- any kinds of forms in media. I think the audience is very responsible for starting the whole "hatedom" in the first place which it's why most hated thing started to fight back in one another. One stated, "that _[insert name of people or object]_ is nothing but a wasteful, piece of garbage that deserves to die" isn't going to solve the problem either. It's like you throw a tomato on a performer for being bad only to get hit back by him and things started to get heated. Human hate is pretty intense these days. Who's gonna blame for things to happen in the first place? A person who did not taking criticism seriously for being bad at, or a person who complained that the piece of work is so bad that he/she is going to stab someone for creating it like an angry mob wanted to execute Victor Frankenstein for creating a monster who start to get out into rampage?
his jokes were pretty unfunny but that doesn't justify anything that has happened to him
Its crazy because Lessons in Meme Culture is doing the same thing with no hate now lol
Man that sucks, I wish BTM would come back
Luca Peyrefitte just watch lesson in meme culture he is basically an aesthetic,improved version of BTM
As someone else said somewhere else
LIMC is basically just Behind The Meme but more in-depth and with no emotions
i was thinking the same thing. i hope the same thing doesn’t happen this time when the channel gets bigger
Yep
It's a bit pathetic that there are people who actually seem to think memes are worth something and that by spreading information about these memes, this behind the memes guy is "tainting" their value. The people who use the memes are the ones who beat them to death.
Memes can be memorable to people. And those experiences with memes can at times be irreplaceable.
Technically, there is a cryptocurrency backed by memes so some madlads have technically made them worth something.
@@jherb7159 dogecoin has very little value.
memes are going to die no matter what, it's only a matter of how fast they do die
@@SC-ce3vp What even
It's interesting the commentary community is described as a savage bunch. I remember idubbbz being on h3h3 discussing this issue by saying "I see people going in so hard on others and it's like slow the fuck down! There's actually a person on the other side there." I think this is why content cop is so much better than anything else is idubbbz has picked his targets so well and kept it to their behavior not to them, even noting the only content cop he wishes he could take back was the React one because he let himself get caught in the trend and attacked the people as opposed to the behavior.
I somewhat wonder if this is why we might never see another content cop. He looks at something he helped create and he thinks "fuck."
Milhouse Vanhoutan there are no more content cops because he doesn't have enough money. Stop trying to make this deep
@@LL-tr5et there's a new one coming out
I'm sure that hour long airsoftfatty special took a lot of time
Lmao he literally mocked everyone he made a comtent cop on like mocking leafys chin that aint his content
Thanks Milhouse
i remember the time when people hated on him because he "kills" memes. he left but memes still only last two weeks
the point wasnt that he was killing memes, the point was that he would make his normie audience use the meme he talked about it wrongly and in a oversaturated way, thus killing the meme
@@smegmuhfondue3021 And... thats a problem how? Memes in all its former glory, are bascially just funny haha pictures with words. I don't see this as a problem tbh. The case with Behind the meme was a tragedy as best.
@@smegmuhfondue3021 some of you guys take this shit way too seriously.
@@smegmuhfondue3021 dude... you sound like a guy who unironically claimed to be from Kekistan
How does someone talking about memes kill it?
This has to be one of the worst cases of gatekeeping on the internet, and I feel bad for what happened to the guy. People can be so pathetic.
It’s sad when these people’s whole personality becomes memes. They don’t like the idea they’re not special anymore or they’re not in an exclusive club. I get the channel isn’t super amazing but the idea that “normies” are being introduced to memes and that’s a valid reason for disliking a channel and a group is stupid. I get not wanting your little brother to join you in your club house but that doesn’t mean you bash him.
Haha, so true. They are the special snowflakes that discovers that the world doesn't around them
灰色ピカ I feel so much secondhand embarrassment
I’m buying a cane to shake at these damn kids.
@@emailhook534 yep,they enjoyed it alright for a while I was subscribed to him but when the hate started I started disliking his video and unsubscribed,"valid criticism" was a cover to hate on this guy.
"but the idea that “normies” are being introduced to memes and that’s a valid reason for disliking a channel and a group is stupid"
that wasn't the point of EmpLemon's video, you should watch it again
The Right Meme
I mean, In my opinion...well it was just a "normie" channel, and sadly normies move with what they like, and it's sad to se he can't take criticism. hope he understands or he will end like watchmojo
I highly doubt that will happen. But one can only hope.
I hope Behind The Meme embraces criticism at some point, critics are unavoidable.
"Normie?" The only reason to make such a distinction is to feel like you have a more solid identity. But if your identity is based on external values, you don't have an identity. You have a bunch of random likes pieced together.
That is something that those who heavily invest in cultures don't seem to get.
Yes CZcamsrs I like like other CZcamsrs
OH SHIT A WILD PELO APPEARED!
memes are jokes, things that make people laugh.
Jokes may be unfunny when they're explained, but they are completely ruined when taken seriously, as shown by what happens when people attempt to 'protect' them from 'normies'.
Edit: A few of these repliers are proving my point and now I feel bad for posting this comment.
What are you talking about? Memes arent just the funny pictures you show your friends, they have meaning but have been degraded into "funay pikture" by the normies that dont understand. Ok boomer was a statement against entitled boomers, simp made a statement against twitch and its incels, the list goes on, but the normies just see it as a funny insult and misuse it, thats why ok boomer and simp doesnt have any meaning or weight anymore. People that think memes are worth harrasing a person for, wrong, people that think memes are jokes, also wrong
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Bruh, memes are literally just jokes...😐
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 You have a point, I respect it.
@@lizlee8715 they arent though.
@@lizlee8715 Don't bother arguing with them, it's not worth it.
This poor guy got harassed by a bunch of losers who wanna gatekeep memes 🤦🏻
The meme fandom is like any other: totally fine as something you enjoy and take part in, but you shouldn't build your life around it.
well said
@LagiNaLangAko23 imma have to do some research on that lol
Memes are a cancer to society. They should have never existed and I take blame for indulging in them in 06
@@Xboxsold ok boomèr
@@Xboxsold ok böömër
Memes are for everyone. Yes, even Facebook mom and brands.
EDIT: using reddit and calling people normies doesn't give you a personality.
Boomer
no
@@lollllolll. tumor
@@Voornaz love you too, boomer
@@lollllolll. ok
Behind The Meme: *explains memes*
Everyone: "He's killing our memes!"
Lessons In Meme Culture: *does the same*
Everyone: "I like his content!"
They literally killed a mans well paying job for no reason
It's ironic. Emplemon cited that his real motive for attacking BTM was because he thought he was doing it for money and fame, but if that was the case, why isn't he making a video on LIMC?
the diff is limc is more straightforward and more well researched
they didn't like btm bc they were killing memes, they did it bc his videos were ass and did a bad job at what they did
@@GS_geostorm Comments definitely don't reflect that.
Vsry hypocritical for the internet
Behind the meme is proof that we can literally getting canceled just for explaining memes, their origin, etc
It’s literally a genius concept for people to know how some stuff became popular
He was literally trying to inform us, his channel was original, he wasn’t a douche, no click bait, and people still canceled
I mean what can you say now on internet if you can get your CZcams career ruined for explaining memes!?
This is why any person with a brain cell and the ability to think at least semi objectively will eventually come to one conclusion, Misanthropy is the only correct worldview. It's not that people are inherently bad though, it's that the vast majority have CHOSEN to be bad people.
So, the correct version of Misanthropy is not hating humanity for being inherently bad but more like being dissapointed in humanity for choosing to be.
You are aware that people could find this stuff out for themselves, instead of being spoon fed memes like a baby.
@@inciniumz4671 Well, we could say that about every channel where the main point is to learn, lie Topito, Watchmojo, Doc Seven, etc. Are we gonna cancel those too? No. Why? Because yes, we can just type every question on Google, but it is way more fun when someone’s explaining it to us.
@@lolocraft1958 It may be more fun, but it's probably better for you to go out and investigate for yourself. And I wouldn't want to cancel somebody for telling you something you could find out yourself. His problem was a bit deeper than that.
@@inciniumz4671 Yes finding out about memes, what the videos were about. sheesh..
I kinda feel bad for that guy
He didnt deserve that much hate and why all this?
Just because he was "killing memes"
Immature kids acting like memes is the source of life...
And i will be honest here
I once did that too when he started getting hate
And i feel very guilty for joining the edgy kids team
Says the guy who joined Maximilianmus’ army lol
He also shitalked about my country he was saying that my peoplE were murderers
@Bes- tv -caaake the problem is that "behind the memes" didn't respect other nations ...
Its hilarious that you said that but your following a meme with your pfp
spaghetti Mob mentality.
Behind the meme's hate is what happens when people substitute internet "culture" for having a personality
I like memes as much as the next guy, but calling them culture is at best pretentious and at worst delusional.
@@f145hr3831jr I think they're kind of a culture! More of a community, and a community tends to be built around a culture however silly the main concept is.
@FlashRebel - A culture is anything people do that is typical for them, it's not just arts and traditions, it's how you live your everyday life, what you choose to do in your offtime, how you
go about entertaining yourself... If it's shared by a group of people, it could be a culture. I think that a habit or a product cannot be a cultural thing only if the people doing the thing are too few, or too diverse otherwise, or too many people do thing so it becomes more of a universal standard rather than a cultural quirk. Claiming memes aren't a culture, or at least an aspect of internet culture, is as if then-critics of Picasso claimed he didn't produce art, imho.
Personally, memes have lost definition for how subjective they are, a repeated statement taken as fact, an internet joke, a culture, a shated photo, it no longer matters.
@@JB-gf1vv you know what I've thought about is how I think memes are really important as they are the first explicit medium build around the experiences of outsiders
So basically some assholes bullied a guy who was making videos and living happily just because they don't believe that someone can speak about something they know
people hating on BTM are like religious extremeists, but for memes
What.
@@nman551 yeah BTM wasnt very good, but there was also no reason to hate it into oblivion if that makes sense
We people of the internet (outsiders) are exiled on mainstream for a long time so when the normies enter our safe space, of course we should protect it, we don't want to be exiled again. Unfortunately, BTM was an oblivious guy. He's kinda like that one guard that let's intruders go in the restricted area because he thinks he's making them happy. Of course it's our right to be angry but the way we acted in that situation was shameful and i am disgusted that I'm a part of this subculture.
@@kasmilaramselera9457 but isn't the internet mainstream?
@@Helperbot-2000 extremism of anything is bad
I never really had a problem with Behind the Meme, but I would be lying if I said I didn't find Emp. Lemon's video about him entertaining.
WeegeeSlayer I found Emp Lennon’s video super boring. I didn’t really love BTM, but I think it was hypocritical of him to say BTM sucked when his own videos were reminiscent of lazy CZcams poops.
@@Nakia11798 Well Emp. Lemon WAS a CZcams Poop creator.
Still is, in fact.
@@Nakia11798 Just a heads up, I think you meant hypercritical. Hypocritical would mean they weren't critical enough. Think hypothermia vs hyperthermia. :)
What's hypercritical of him wasn't the quality of his videos by comparison but how triggered he got that someone touched his memes.
The idea that there is a "meme culture" that needs to be "protected" is in itself a meme. I consider it part of the "Loser" memeplex. Ya know: "I'm so different from everyone else! Normal people can't POSSIBLY understand me! They're all shallow and fake! I'm SOOOOOO so deep and brooding. I'm a real person; they just follow what everyone else does. I do my own thing (in exact same manner everyone else who "does their own thing" does of course).....Why don't I have any friends?"
Note: I'm not saying people who create or enjoy memes are necessarily losers. I'm talking about a specific subset of people who act like EmpWhateverthefuckhisnameis. Nor are people like him found only within "meme cultrue". They're everywhere.
It's a simple concept of why people dislike meme's reaching general audiences.
Over quantity and overuse without care or thought. Take a basic joke image meme (2014-2015 style) and then give Susan it. She hears about it and thinks omg funny me me my daughter uses, then she posts it twelve times on each page she visits and eventually other people do it again and again. The quality and thought behind its use degrade, it's no longer a joke or funny image it's just an image that has a meaning. It is on the same degree as a maths question, it is just a symbol with meaning used without care or thought besides "Will my daughter think I'm hip now?" or some other variant of the question.
But worst is when people begin selling it, it is the sale of meaning. That's when something truly has died
Ultra-Papa Smurf Doesn’t that already happen though?
@@Barkley13 It happens constantly but certain people can make it die even quicker than the current average
Ultra-Papa Smurf Example?
@@ultra-papasmurf that's like saying we all hate stand up comedians because so many comedians have similar jokes or set ups or tones and some of them flop. Like, how stupid can you be? Good memes rotate more and bad ones die. There is no real concern about it. But if a "normie" can make a slap meme that gets shared to fuck, how fucking special is it really? It's a joke. It's a sense of humour. The Harambe meme was pretty fucking shit overall which was what confused a lot of people. It was one of those memes that could only be used in a very few select ways and make a real joke. But it was the memelords who fucked it up and made it nonsensical and unfunny to begin with. They were the ones who ruined the joke.
Honestly, I REALLY liked BTM, he really helped me find out about memes
Ok normie
@@jarlboof No U
@@minhazurrahman8878
*pulls uno reverse card*
Hehe counter that peasant
@@jarlboof *reverse of reverse*
@@minhazurrahman8878 wait, thats illegal
Behind the meme didn’t deserve what he got
Ah yes because making an entire channel based on reading KnowYourMeme articles without knowing anything about memes and teaching wrong things because he misunderstood the articles is PERFECTLY FINE!
At least he’s not one of those toy channels.
@@5dollasubwayfootlong So, because he got something wrong on accident, he deserved to get hated by thousands, doxxed, and have his career ruined?
@@cchris_ I'm saying he deserved the criticism, not the hate. Noone really deserves hate. (the real kind, not the "boo-hoo someone said bad thing about me waaaah how can people point out flaws")
@@cchris_ ???? Everyone told him how to change and improve, or just do something he's actually good at.
He didn't listen, he didn't even LIKE memes. He brought this upon himself. Don't blame the hate. He begged for attention with suicidal videos which were obviously fake, a plead to get him a victim card for free.
"my life is misery, soon yours will be too" best quote ever
thats my new favorite youtuber quote right behind "my disappointment is immersurable and my day is ruined"
@@enderlanes WHAT...WHAT THE FUCK
Lele Pons actually did bad things though
Pyrocynical did a commentary video on her and in retaliation she claimed all the revenue off it
So did Jinx, he falsely copystriked and (basically) stole content.
Yep
Ouch!
Poor guy. I used to watch him all the time and to see him become like that was saddening as hell.
It's kinda fucked up, what happened to BTM.
People just kinda dove onto this guy, for making videos that helped people understand memes.
It’s sad this happened to this guy
When shit like ‘Know Your Meme’ also exists and people are fine with that
Also KYM did the same damn thing as Behind The Meme!!! They had videos explaining memes, in honestly a more ‘cringy’ way
This guy didn’t deserve the hate he got at all, he was doing good explaining memes in a simple way
Anyway the internet sucks
Aaron Byrd Except BTM stole his shit from KYM. Also, because KYM acts as a meme library, rather than a source of knowledge.
When the internet sucks it feels goooooooood ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
memes never die, it dies when people stop using them, not still going then people use them but kinda stop using them.
Btm had it coming.
the internet doesn't suck, its the community
>cultural appropriation is a joke and doesnt exist
>reee stop appropriating my memes
Ooof, that burns.
@@maxieprimo2758 gotta love the smell though.
@@riotbreaker3506 mmmm-mmm.
Cultural appropriation is a joke and doesn’t exist.
@@EmanGameplay Reee stop appropriating my memes.
I remember searching for the meaning behind some memes and his video really help me out. Man I hope he recovered now
When someone goes insane. They usually murder people or commit suicide or just become depressed, so you wont be seeing him upload more videos.
I’m honestly so glad I found your channel. It’s so refreshing to see a commentator actually take a step back and take a look at the full picture. Everybody seems to pick a side, or fence sit. Keep up the good work
Yeah, that’s why TRO is appealing
You actually can think about the information that’s being given and come up with your own opinion on the matter
I’m personally on the side of hating BTM but I’m glad that he doesn’t just shove that down our throat and gives points for both sides of the argument
To me, BTM deserved the critism, but not the hate. Now that everyone’s looking back at it, the cracks are starting to show. Besides it all, I want his content to get better, and not all the hate.
Peter Parker there never was "blind hate" he just called it that because he didn't like it
There was definitely blind hate, mainly because of the effects of the videos he put out on the memes.
you gave hate too dont lie. you people get so angry at normies and reeeeeee for your memes
I'm sure he's working on that after that dark episode, whatever the case, I hope him the best.
I never gave him “hate,” I fact I was defending him in most cases.
I forgot Behind The Meme even existed...
Honestly, Im glad i forgot that mediocre Channel. He didnt deserve The threats though.
good, we should keep it that way
Same here Speedwagon
Sounds gud
I forgot you even existed. :(
“Perhaps i treated you too harshly.”
BehindTheMeme: [Makes videos]
EmpLemon: "I'm about to end this man's whole career."
I think saying "why can't we all be positive" is just stupid and manipulative. It's kinda like putting on a facade; people may act happy, but that doesn't mean they are. I think it's just better to be yourself...
Well, countless negativity won't solve anything either.
I mean be positive if you don’t have a legit reason to be negative
Well depends if "just be yourself" isn't being a condescending ahole and the world would probably be fine.
Positivity is important but knowing when to quit is important too.
@@dreamlandbuds7710 absolutely. Relentless negativity is just exhausting. In general, it's better to stay positive, and doing so is the more intelligent and logical decision.
Wow...
Only when you really lay it all out like this do I realize how incredible pathetic this entire affair is...
Diamond axed studio's... I have to remember you're not just the music guy
Welp, didn't expect to see you here
I can't believe people still gatekeep memes
Gatekeepers in all sub cultures exist for a reason, just look at the Star Wars fandom right now.
@@Slender_Man_186 yeah but these are fucking memes, stupid internet jokes… Why the fuck does that have gatekeeping
@@gunkymcsplunky because then you get cringe.
@@Slender_Man_186 and what’s wrong with that? Let people enjoy themselves, even if you don’t like it or think it’s cringe
If you take your jokes seriously, you’re doing it wrong.
Memes arent jokes though.
Diadomergaming555 They are similar, some people know it and laugh, some people need to think about it for a sec, and some struggle to understand.
@@elenacienfuegos8450 i changed me mindset. memes are jokes, however i still dont like normies as they ruin the joke. think of it like this: wouldnt it get annoying, to hear "thats what she said" everytime you said the word woman? it would be, and it wouldnt be funny. its just that theres 1 popular meme at a time which results in mass repetition. back then, you had multiple memes at once (because they didnt die as quickly because of normies) and you wouldnt just hear the same thing over and over. normies just make the memes their entire personality and wont shut up about them.
Diadomergaming555 I understand. But not all do that. I just enjoy whatever, even if I’m late to the party.
poor fool, didn't you know jokes are becoming illegal of so called "acceptance", you don't want to offend anyone do you?
Dox someone because he explained to "normies" your unfunny forced meme...
What a Time to Be Alive.
You gotta have pretty low standarts.
@@vandyckaldo Like down right below average standarda.
I’m gonna say it: we live in a society
Quote from 6 minutes into CZcams has been on a Downward Spiral:
“My point with this video was not that ‘normies shouldn’t use memes’ the only thing everyone seems to be talking about.
My POINT was that Behind The Meme was doing a shitty job at explaining them, causing his generally normie audience to have a poor understanding and thus ruin the memes through misuse and haphazard spam.”
-EmpLemon
The fact that anyone would see explaining memes to normies as harmful is completely ridiculous.
Joe Neutrino Quick question, have you watched EmpLemons video on BTM?
Because normies share these memes with other normies, thereby making it a normie meme completely and utterly removed from it's original context and ruining it.
@@Calvin_Coolage Wow, that sounds like how memes become memes in the first place.
Even if you say that memes spreading around the internet isn't how they occur, that sounds pretty innoccuous.
@@SmartAlec1 Not every meme becomes a meme from being spread around the Internet. Not every meme leaves the communities where they originated. And not every meme was meant to be shared with everyone. You have a very skewed perception of what makes something a meme.
Calvin_Coolage
Not every. What like 2%? You know the definition of a fucking meme is that it’s shared right? I’m sorry but just because you’re a cave dwelling Neanderthal with asperger’s doesn’t mean that everyone else can’t enjoy your text/video on a screen because you can’t play well with others. That’s fucking childish. I grew out of that when I was 6.
“Negative consequences” for a guy literally just explaining memes to people. These dudes really need to fuckin relax, it’s not that important it’s literally just funny pictures with/without context
Right
It is rather silly....so defensive over some jokes. I have no problem with people explaining or talking about them, it's just gaining more understanding to those who might not have. Nobody can really act like they've understood every joke they've come across and not wondered what they mean...we all have.
Honestly, just sounds like another case of gatekeepers ruining something.
Yes, because he was ruining Meme Culture.
@@featherycoffee1401 Fuck you and your "culture"
@@lordmuhehe4605 what a great critique of meme culture, you must really be the socrates of our time
@Володимир Волков some people care way too much and need to touch grass, I will admit, but it was for a reason.
Some people find it funny and when "normies " find them, they drive em into the ground making them overused and unfunny. Sites like 4chan don't overuse most memes, and a meme stays fresh for more time.
'Memes mean nothing.'
Tell that to the NFT's that are selling for millions.
@Володимир Волков stealing things is meme culture, and anything can be ruined if you use it long enough, but it takes longer and we can laugh at it more.
Memes are subjective.
So is art, and music and movies and they don't mean anything to some people. And especially in this time, I'd argue that some memes take longer to create than some works of art shown in museums.
>memes are inherently something that require other people’s attention to work
>cringelords get triggered when “their” memes are getting other people’s attention
Basically...
I don’t see how people could hate so much on something so innocent...
While I used to like his videos, but unsubscribed because of all the videos on memes I found stupid and I don’t like his videos now, is he really doing much bad? He’s just talking about meme history. I enjoy history and the internet (most of the time) so he had a cool concept.
The guy doesn’t deserve the threats that he’s getting since he’s doing no harm. If you’re gonna hate on him, give him some constructive criticism. It’s not that hard to be nice, people.
A lot if the hate was blind bandwagon jumper who didn't know what he was hating.
@cdrom I said that I don't like his videos now and also, that's your opinion, not a fact.
@cdrom You could say that. But it's just an internet culture. It's nothing too serious. It's not like it will impact your life. It may not be innocent, but it isn't exactly the most devious of stuff on the internet.
@cdrom Well memes in general are pretty stupid, maybe thats why people enjoy them. But when people think they're these... ugh... "meme elitist" who gatekeeps memes from "normies", thats a pretty pathetic way to use your time tbh.
i feel so bad for him, i always liked his videos when i didnt get a new meme, and i liked the research he did
“Research”
Aka: literally reading off of Know your meme articles
I always thought that he himself was a meme, something people would look at and laugh at in a positive way.
But the fact that he was getting so much hate because he explained the memes to "normies" Is just stupid.
It wasn't because he was explaining the memes to normies, it was because he was doing a shit job at it. If he would do his damn job correctly, he wouldn't get hate. It's as if you would create a channel about math, and unironically taught people that "1+1=3".
@@5dollasubwayfootlong just because someone does a shit job doesn’t mean death threats and doxxing is excused
@@5dollasubwayfootlong yeah if some cashier messed up the transactions many time i would just complain not send death threats lol
@@zxmegatronxz8472 exactly there was no reason for death threats
We just went behind behind the meme...is this “MEMECEPTION???”
Would that make this video a memeseption within the other memeseption???
no, it's behindception
Sprite Lady only TRO has the answers
But wouldn't that be a meme in itself??
*MINDBLOWN*
cringe. I guess this is why people hate normies
Memelords are just normies who need to flex
There are good memes and there are bad memes. Why has god abandoned us?
@BeastUpp bruh fuck off.
@BeastUpp bro why u so mad responding to every comment like that
that's why we don't call ourselves memelords
when i was 11 i looked at animal memes a lot and i was like im a memelord now, then i heard someone call me one for the first time and it sounded so disgusting that i felt disgusted with myself and didn't speak for the rest of the year
I feel like a meme boomer when I find out people were introduced in the harambe era.
I was 8 when I was introduced to memes, I think Philosoraptor, Insanity Wolf, Rage Comics, and the like were JUST coming around.
ok boomer
Me too
Same. Those old impact font memes and rage comics were the shit.
I really missed those old memes so much. For some reason, Rage Comic needs to become popular again.
@@se.224
Definition of a "meme"
noun.
A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another.
noun.
Any unit of cultural information, such as a practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another.
noun.
A self-propagating unit of cultural evolution having a resemblance to the gene (the unit of genetics).
It could be literally anything from a verbal joke, some text, an action or an abstract concept.
Pretty much, just another way of telling jokes....basically internet newspaper comic strips half the time, not that unique in concept.
You're totally right about the whole "meme cultural appropriation". Most of these memelords adopted "meme maker" as a surrogate identity, viewing themselves as a pseudo-minority of sorts, and this generated in them the sort of feelings that racial and cultural minorities in the western world feel when the white majority takes things from their cultures.
You know, it's funny, a lot of these memelords are extreme Anti-SJW and criticise cultural appropriation as a non-issue, but they fail to see that they engage in that exact same behaviour, it's just that instead of criticising Katy Perry for dressing up as a Geisha in a concert they criticise BTM for covering memes for the "normies"
It's sad that "memelords" harass other people over dumb jokes on the internet(this whole controversy is pathetic), but I wouldn't automatically assume that its anything inherently political. "Memelords" are neither left or right. Plus as aren't memelords just fans of memes, not necessarily extreme?
*"a lot of these memelords are extreme Anti-SJW and criticize cultural appropriation as a non-issue"*
That's just silly, my dude.
I mean, how did you even come to this conclusion?
@@gallusgallusdomesticus281 Well, a lot of the people who heavily criticised BTM were 4-chan board members (a website that has /pol, which is very much against SJWs, although I don't know if the entire website holds that same opinion) and people like EmpLemon (who I like and agree with on many issues) have, in the past, criticised SJWs.
It's not that crazy a conclusion, obviously not every one who makes memes is against SJWs, because memes are a medium of expression the same way films and music are.
But I wasn't talking about *anyone* who makes memes, that would include me, you, and a bunch of other people with diverse political opinions. I'm talking about the /pol members, the members of the Skeptic Community who actively use meme speak in their videos and who *express their political views through the use of memes*
You can't tell me that when you look at Chris Ray Gun, Sargon Of Akkad (who started the kekistan meme and is one of the main voices of the Anti-SJW community), The Warskis or Anthony Fantano (back when he did the meme review) and tell me that there isn't a correlation between 4-chan type memes and the political leanings of the people who consume them.
These people and a large portion of their followers are neck deep in meme culture and also have Anti-SJW views, thus, they tend to criticise cultural appropriation and, at the same time, berate normies for using memes the wrong way, engaging in their own form of cultural appropriation.
Aside from that, a lot of memes make jokes out of suicide or feature racial stereotyping, in general the use of black humour is common and accepted in these circles, and SJWs tend to look at these uses of serious topics as offensive or problematic (which they are, in a way, but it's not that big a deal). So the assumption I made didn't come out of nowhere.
I've been heavily involved in both Anti-SJW circles and the growing lefty-tube community, so I speak based on what I have observed.
Edit: Formatting and punctuation
AlbinoTuxedo I just don't find your wall of text that convincing. It feels more like you're trying to lump an entire political group *YOU* didn't like into some vague and extremely broad bubble. Just because POL criticized BTM doesn't suddenly mean that all memelords are 4chan users. Memelords as a group has grown exponentially over the past few years, to just use 4chan as an example is fallacious.
P.S This is a personal pet peeve, but the fact that you *maybe imply* that being anti-sjw(disliking the FAR-left) was somehow connected to the FAR right wing is also kinda silly. Sure they may overlap sometimes, but you should never generalize and assume like that. They're plenty of left wing people who criticize the far left.
@@gallusgallusdomesticus281 I apologize if it came out like I just lumped everyone into a group I don't like. In the comment I mentioned, twice actually, that I *don't* think that being a memelords automatically makes you an Anti-SJW or far-right, because (like I said in the comment) memes are a way of expression, and thus only have political meaning when the person making them gives them one.
Also, not liking the far left doesn't make you far right. I myself have a lot of disagreements with the far left, but I certainly don't count myself among the members of the far right
AlbinoTuxedo Yeah let's just leave it at that. Arguing whether or not Memes have a certain political demographic is so pointless.
"Meme culture"
I can't take this seriously.
DarkLordofHistory probably because you are a normie, but be proud of that, being normal shouldn’t be frowned upon
@@Ludee27 Yes, acting like an edgy and annoying teen is something to be proud of.
It's literally just a fandom.
Dubuya Jay I’ve been seeing you in the comments a lot recently and I see that all you do is either agree with other comments or call people edgy without actually giving out any arguments. Maybe instead of trying to insult people you could instead par-take in a proper conversation?
It's edgy to be proud of knowing something objectively useless and getting mad at others for removing your "special snowflake" privileges.
Emplemon invented cancel culture if you think about it.
@Season Season he kinda did, he cancelled the YT Rewind years ago, cancelled it again the following year, then cancelled BTM. Fucking. Legendary.
interesting take lol
"THERE ARE NO MEMES, KATHLEEN"
OMG YES
So in summary: People are overreactive, paranoid idiots. This is the internet for ya lmao
I'll never understand this mentality these "outsiders" have. Enjoying something you're not completely engrained in is not attacking that thing or the ones that are more involved in it. Being a "normie" is natural, and it's completely ok casually liking things. People who harassed this guy seem more like elitists to me, which I have a problem with. You gotta admit, elitism sucks and brings more harm than good. Liking or hating something more than others doesn't make you special OR cool, that's a fact, deal with it. They didn't have the right to drive this guy up the wall, he seemingly was just trying to do something he enjoys. There's nothing wrong with being the middle man.
Thank you.
Yes I’ve notice this with Leafyishere and The kero the wolf drama.
Thank you. You're not one of those narrow minded fucks
I have never, ever heard somebody refer to "outsiders" in this way before Behind the Meme existed.
It's hard to put into a few words, but "outsiders" are usually a product discrimination.
Most of them are the people who were ostracized for being "Weirdos" during the school years, and some of them grow to absolutely despise the common local person to the point of wishing them dead due to this, and now, despite them having "finally" found their little private corner with a few fellow minded individuals, now find that the same group of people that used to ostracize them are now going around "misusing" the culture they have created.
A rat will fight back if cornered simply.
The hypocrisy around 'memers' not wanting 'normies' to get their jokes is pretty pathetic. A culture that is built around taking bits and pieces of other cultures whining about people taking their culture? The bad memes that these 'normies' will be making and appreciating will die off just as fast as they always have, meaning that they will be used much longer than is funny. The good memes will stick around and become part of the bigger picture.
I'll lay it out there, I don't make memes, but I've been appreciating them since rage comics. There have been a LOT of duds in that time, and there have been some truly classic ones that have endured.
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic.
Lead Paintchips I’m pretty sure these “memers” aren’t worried about their culture being taken away rather that’s its being spread around.
@Matthew Chenault but it's so arbitrary as to who is a normie. Also if it spread to normies than it already spread to the masses.
Also jokes aren't supposed to stay funny. In fact a lot of memes stop being funny waaaaaay before "normies" get to them I've had running gags that have never left my community get stale before they became "normie memes."
@Matthew Chenault Dude I got sick of "All Hail Lord Egotist" real fast.
Lead Paintchips oh man, the Og rage comics.. Good times
Imagine complaining about normies stealing memes or whatever lmao.
All these people really need to go touch grass or something.
I actually love that no one is harassing LIMC because it means people learned
Or it means that they're the exact same audience who watched BTM, too dumb and lazy to find out about the memes themselves.
@@inciniumz4671 At least you're consistent
13:15 oh my god its like "cultural apropriation" bs with memes.
No idea if it’s right, but it looks like Scandinavia! The bottom “hill” looks like Denmark, while the top looks like Norway and Sweden :)
but it is cultural appropriation.
if someone you didn't know start using the same references as you, it's cultural appropriation.
memes are entirely based on pop culture to begin win.
@@lecorbak That's not what cultural appropriation is.
@@freezerounds it is they're taking the old tales and sacred religions figures from our culture
@@artyomchyornyj9264 That would be a somewhat more correct definition of cultural appropriation. Taking a part of somebody's culture and using it in a way that is not proper or respectful to the culture itself is cultural appropriation.
"Someone you don't know using the same reference as you" is not cultural appropriation.
Even as a fan of memes it kills me that people are having a meltdown over putting goofy text on a picture
I know I'm late to the conversation, but.. Jesus. Reading these comments.. people seriously arguing about memes, hating each other over memes, or too many people knowing about them.. it must be really nice to not have any real problems. It would be super awesome if that was the only thing I had to worry about, instead of how I'm going to pay my bills AND pay for the medication I need to live. Who cares about that when a "normie" might share a "secret" meme. You guys sound like the teenagers who got mad when preppy kids started listing to bands we liked. It can be a little annoying when mainstream culture takes over something that those of us on the edges are into, but it's not the end of the world and not worth getting all upset about.. and we as people don't need yet another thing to fight about. There are far worse things in the world than the over sharing of a meme you like, trust me. Take it as a challenge to create something new. Or if you're so damn quirky and unique maybe you could be creative enough to come up with something that "normies" (stupid 4chan terminology, SOOO edgy 🙄), wouldn't even want to share. Or maybe take it as a compliment when it does get popular and realize that most funny or cool things will become mainstream eventually, that's how the world works. Then get some real problems.
I remember when this was happening. I literally can't understand why BTM become so hated. People say he discusses dead memes that everyone knows about but honestly, for me, they were very helpful and taught me memes I never knew about.
Well, just know what he taught you was wrong. Because he did a bad job at explaining things. For example, the video that EmpLemon criticized (what is YTPs) what absolute dogshit.
@@5dollasubwayfootlong So he failed to do proper research, but does that really warrant wasting time making a video to criticize his work? Even if he missed some information, you can at least tell that some effort went into his videos. A better way to respond would be to critique, not criticize. Or even better, just ignore it.
I can't think of another "culture" that would be upset because someone got a few facts wrong
By the way, I know the video wasn't made to hate him, but it was still an overreaction
I don’t know why people hate “””normies””” so much. Honestly, people are trying to understand your joke, just because someone wasn’t there for some internet eve,t, doesn’t mean they should be insulted for it. Most of these people are normies too, who follow the most popular thing online so far and wants to keep that really popular thing “”niche”” and so excludes anyone who doesn’t understand something.
Colobrinus With a side of cube “”Normies”” are fine, the problem is when they’re trying to shift into “””meme culture””” on the basis of Behind the Memes videos which could end up doing more harm than good in terms of the “””meme economy”””.
Colobrinus With a side of cube That’s the thing about memes/meme culture (I don’t believe in meme culture I’m just using it as a reference) things aren’t meant to be spoon fed to you with this particular thing, what many people enjoy about memes/meme culture is it’s different nature to what most people see in the mainstream, the more people who know how this the more it enters the mainstream which ends up hurting memes a lot. The point I am trying to make is, do research. If you want to know the origin of a meme or find out the joke context put in the effort to do the research yourself and don’t ask people to spoon feed it to you. Otherwise people are gonna call you a lazy normie.
Random Gmod Vids if they find something funny who the fuck cares. I still say groovy and that shit died 1000 years ago. I think it’s funny and enjoy doing it. I’m not forcing you to say it, so I don’t see the issue.
It's because normies ruin everything. As soon as normies get a hold on a meme, they will repeat it and repeat it without having any idea about the context of the meme or its application. The meme gets stale and loses the expressive value it used to have for the oldfags. It's understandable that they hate seeing their "cultural heritage" being dragged through the mud and losing any defining features it used to have. And there's a certain prestige to having memes in a small culture that's cut off from mainstream, that also gets ruined by BTM and such.
I have to admit, I used to come to btm's channel when I didn't get a meme. And I honestly didn't think that that was bad. I was kinda glad that someone explained some memes to me. I get your criticism and the criticism of the others. But I do think that it's really not that big of a deal in case of "appropriation of meme culture".
Yeah of course, there are problems with a few videos of his and I'm glad you made this video, it gave me many new insights and I thought about the channel again.
In addition to that, Kyle's voice always bothered me and until now, I never quite knew why.
Idk if my comment makes sense but I'm not going to re-read it so deal with it.
Edit: I just finished watching the video and I noticed that I kinda (totally) missed the point of your video...but I'm not going to write another "long" comment but yeah, I agree with you. If you put yourself out there, you have to be able to take criticism. But if it's not constructive but pure hate, I feel like it has no right to be there.
Idk though
Akinnia it wasn't blind hate though, there were many points given to him but he pawned us off as "haters" and "think we're superior"
@@legoroan9866 I know that it wasn't pure hate, it's just that, generally speaking, if you have negative things to say, you should do that in a constructive way.
So yeah, I agree with you x
I liked his videos, I just wanted to know where they came from. Unfortunately, as constructive as some tried to be, there were too many people with pitchforks and torches to be heard.
Same, having a job and going back to school leaves one little time to be up to date with all the stupid overnight memes, BTM was fantastic to know why something became a meme out of nowhere instead of exploring the internet for 5 hours to try and figure it out
@@legoroan9866 I would guess it may be hard to acknowledge the constructive criticism in a sea of hate, and at that point it's easier to just view everyone as a hater rather than trying to push through the hate to find the actual constructive criticism, the amount of hate he received was undeserved, and maybe would have gone better if it was a majority constructive criticism, but it's the internet, and anything controversial is bound to draw in a lot of people who want to spread hate.
"Pronounce it Doge"
Yes, I agree
"Don't put pineapples on pizza"
I'm afraid I can't do that.
I was a Behind the Meme fan. If it wasn’t for him, I would never find one of my most favorite youtubers, Emplemon.
Btm could’ve won by literally just saying “yeah, that’s the point”
I never understand all the hate for this dude. I never liked the videos; but I can see why some people would. Because honestly from this editorial alone I can see why his target audience and some folks who watch shit "ironically" would maybe like it. But YEAH. That fake personality projection is very, very... ugh...
Also can we internet users stop using the term """normie""". It makes people sound like a try hard middle schooler. Good lord they're jokes people; who the heck cares? If anyone thinks a joke is "under attack" you might want to step back an re-evaluate your priorities.
Also that Memethony Explaintano video was indeed some hilarious shit. Quality reference right there. 👍
However I think if the dude wants to fix his controversy; he should make a super sarcastic "Behind the Meme" episode about his controversy in that fake, happy voice would be hilarious.
People like Emperor Lemon. Emperor Lemon didn't like BTM because he didn't do "memes" right, so his fanbase of hive-minded degenerates who think memes are worth harassing people over harassed him. There were others, but iirc Emp was one of the first that caused this.
Pretty funny how he gets upset when people tell him he takes memes too seriously while also calling out a channel for no other reason than he takes memes too seriously.
yeah I think the major problem was emperor's and pyro followings.
Mostly because they took everything to seriously and went all hate mode as soon as their favorite youtuber called another youtuber "normie" in which they probably blindly folllow without understanding the creators context.
Sprite Lady ngl you sound like a butthurt normie
Yeah, even as a self-proclaimed "memelord" myself, Emp's albeit entertaining video was very gatekeeping-y. Like, you can't REALLY blame BTM for decreasing the lifespan of memes, when that was happening and would continue to happen without his existence anyway. If anything, it should prompt you to make BETTER members of greater longevity, instead of recycling stale Pepe memes.
You sound like you don't really understand what Emp Lemon's point was, the point was that memes were becoming over saturated too quickly by normies who are too lazy to put any effort into finding or understanding the media given to them. And that they's rather have BTM spoon feed them their knowledge and memes.
I can only really feel bad for this guy. He helped so many people find something they came to like and enjoy only to have that culture which he helped increase stab him in the back. I feel as tho meme culture is so self-serving and lacks any compassion, and for some reason such a culture treasures such selfishness. Idk...
hey who released you D: i didnt hear the RELEASE TEH KRAKENNNN
Then emplemon goes to a deep character development where he apologize to his action.
Stop liking your own comment
@@lollllolll. um ok?
That sentence doesn't make sense.
@@5dollasubwayfootlong
English isn't my mother language.
Then, emplemon goes to a deep deep character development, after that he apologize to BTM on his own action against BTM.
@@lebro4401 I think you misunderstood his intentions. He didn't want his fans to hate BTM -- he even said that he doesn't hate the guy himself in the original video. People misunderstood him, so he made an "In defense of Behind the Meme" video to clarify the situation. Also, fun fact, English is also not my native language.
So... He was fine until the edgelords descended?
The meme critics getting so angry oddly reminds me of stage magicians reacting to the Masked Magician. They got so darkly angry that some one would dare reveal their secrets. To them it was a betrayal of a sacred brotherhood, and there were death threats at best of times. But the Masked Magician explained that he was tired of seeing the same old tricks, and wanted to force his contemporaries to get better, to improve their tricks, and evolve. Memes as the are either die quickly, or evolve into immortality, and holding onto the memes long after they die is sad at best. Personaly I see getting angry at someone who explains omnipresent if obscurethings for people who are interested in them as elitist and frankly sad. It’s a shame the meme gatekeepers didn’t reach out personally as far as we know, yet Behind the Meme died as all memes do, and the meta of that is intense.
Hell yeah i watched 90's sitcoms too. Netflix sucks d*ck
I feel so bad for this guy. He just wanted to share and explain memes and he got destroyed for it
If aliens find earth I hope they explode it into a trillion tiny space rocks. if people are capable of this maybe they shouldn't exist.
You know a creator puts in effort when even the mid roll ads are properly placed and timed. Well done my guy
Meme patriotism is just gatekeeping by social outcasts who still don't play well with others.
An addendum: Memes are best enjoyed when shared, not taught. I don't agree with BTM's approach to content creation. If the concern is preserving the integrity of memes, then it is ideal to simply teach the concept of memetic mutation.
I agree with your addendum. Instead of rote memorization of how a meme works on paper, people need to see it in action. That's what has made memes so short lived nowadays.
@lilclover1a2b It's better for a meme to die than for it's comatose body to be paraded around.
@lilclover1a2b I was mainly repeating what I thought you meant to make sure I understood. I do that a lot.
@lilclover1a2b Nah, you were clear.
@@zogwort1522 What a practical outlook: "just kill the normies".
Gatekeeping is shit because you employ plateau thinking. Here's an idea: you might regret who is kept out later. Your standards today are meaningless when it comes to long-term cultural preservation.
I would argue, you placing more value on memes than people is a non-sustainable position. You'll stop caring about memes the same way you did about normies.
I believe that BTM didn't deserve the hate but deserved the criticism. His content was awful repetitive. But the hate, that's the part that wasn't supposed to happen. The hate happened because of 4chan, emperor lemon, anthony fantano, and pyrocynical. Maybe they didn't directly tell their fans to hate them (except 4chan) but when they made videos about BTM it got the "normies" that want to act like "the outsiders" to hate BTM. He didn't deserve the hate or DOX but the little meme-whores got their panties in a bunch after watching emp lemons 3/4 useless filler and hypocritical video.
Please tell me where emp lemon, Anthony and pyro told their fans to attack BTM.
All they did was criticise his content.
@@callinater6133 "maybe they didn't tell their fans to directly hate them"
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Even if it was criticism, people can witch hunt and hate the person that was criticized. It happens everytime
Example: Every DeviantArt criticism CZcams channel says to not bully or harass the person who they're criticising, yet there's always going to be people who still do
Pyro's video title is literally titled Behind the Meme Must be Stopped. Yeah it's a poorly thought out joke, but plenty of his followers took it as a call to arms.
pyro is the closect we could get to a leafy v1.5
also anthony's content is inherently good, and his BTM parody is on point, BTM's response is truly unnecessary and badly delivered
@@mikaeruu0309 that's a lot of autism
“Behind the meme”... I haven’t heard that name in a long time
I can still remember: Welcome to Behind the Meme, Today’s meme, Dat Boi.
I felt that the hate for BehindTheMeme was stupid and overreacting over this random guy who just talks about memes, and does not effect the world in anyway. But then came BehindTheMeme's fake suicide videos, and now I feel sad.
I don't think he can be completely excused of criticism though, and the "suicide awareness" videos seemed like an attempt to silence his many critics. And he did try to face 4chan, a stupid decision for anyone to make, it'll leave a lasting scar on his channel, I can't excuse him for that. Also nice to see another furry joining the discussion, I appear to have developed a talent for spotting them.
@@kreepykibo Yay three in one thread now!
Well frankly, its interesting to note, we all express one thing; empathy.
I obviously do not touch 4chan culture with a barge pole, but I can imagine very few furries being there at all, if for no other reason then the utter lack of empathy.
@@Elenrai furry filth
@@Elenrai
There was a furry thread. Keyword *was*. It was bullied out of the site. Nobody could join it without getting violent threats.
@@kreepykibo The irony is that the founder of 4chan was effectively harassed out of a community before he made 4chan...
Considering the other shit going on that site, you'd think furries were the least of the problem for those people...
Ironically enough, if you look at "Megadudeman21" or rather his channel, he is clearly little else then a child with a few sprouting body hairs...
It is almost like parental supervision is needed in order to avoid raising terrible excuses for human beings...
Irony is that he would never have the stones to say what he wrote to me...but we both know I could probably make his face so pale with mere words in a face to face situation, that he would need medical attention afterwards...
I really hope someone enforces that people use their actual identity to register, heck, as "1984" as it may sound, id be HAPPY if we were required to use identification to even set up an outlook email address and any other kind of online account, it would make enforcing existing legislation in the individual nation much easier!
For instance, all those "hurr furries should be shot" memers could be fined or even arrested in some instances!
I know it sounds extreme but without any consequence, its just an even worse extreme, because parental supervision have failed.. :/
I really cannot stand this stupid elitism that something as asinine as memes breed. Who the hell cares if someone you don't like wants to understand something you find funny. Emp Lemon was just upset about someone trying to explain something to a wider group of people, and it came off as petty and childish. The use of the word "normie" is also pretty obnoxious. Memes shouldn't be anything more than passing things you laugh at, don't make it up to be some massive substantial part of your personality.
I know they're like those edgy kids at school that bitch when the garage band they loved goes big instead of being happy for them.
The saddest thing is that memes are inherently stolen, made out of things that are already out there, Pepe was intellectual property, E was just some guy, and Obunga is some guy AND intellectual property.
hahaha epic win I dislike elitism as much as the next guy but EmpLemon does have a point about the whole “meme economy” thing. I remember when people said the 8 week meme lifespan (if you wanna call it that) of Harambe was incredibly short. Now look at meme they die off within 2 weeks. I don’t hate behind the meme nor do I think he is the sole reason for this situation occurring and I hope the dude gets better.
the problem is that the guy wasn't the "hero of memes" but he seen a potential loss of viewers and stuff... it's all about the views...
edit: i'm talking about the attacker
Smart Alec Memes like this is Sparta and bad luck Brian lasted years, 3 months is still nothing compared to those types of memes (mind you which all started on 4chan) isn’t it weird how back then when memes where a subject unaware to the masses they had a much longer lifespan until they became more mainstream? I don’t believe it’s just a convenience.
Maybe the real behind the meme was the memes we made along the way