A Drink With Eddie Irvine, Episode #9 (About a team order losing him the 1999 F1 world title)
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2016
- Eddie Irvine talks about how a Ferrari team order towards Michael Schumacher at Magny-Cours 1999 cost him the world championship title later that year. And he hits out at the Jaguar team management, again, while having a relaxed drink with Motorsport-Total.com & Formel1.de Chief Editor Christian Nimmervoll.
He certainly did not lose the championship because of that one race in Magny-Cours, that's for sure. If Michael hadn't helped him at Malaysia and Salo in Germany then he wouldn't even have had a chance anymore in Suzuka. As Eddie said himself, at the end of the season you count the points and see where you are, "ifs and buts" don't count.
Quantum singularity
In Malaysia Schumacher drove as slow as he could to help Eddie and still had to let Eddie overtake him TWICE.
@@martin4458 thats right ....and who is the best of all time >>>
All if's and but's. What if he hadn't retired from 3rd in san Marino, overshot his pitstop in Silverstone, punted off by DC in canada etc.
@@Bertoluciii He's the best at cheating that's for sure
@@elizium1958 you shouldn't talk about Senna like that (even if it's true)
It takes IMMENSE balls to say: I wasn't Michael Schumacher. Respect, Eddie!
everybody in world history wasnt michael schumacher
No it doesn't.
@@PeterKKraus For a top-team Formula 1 driver, it is extremely difficult to admit not being as capable as his teammate.
@@MrRodzilla But not everybody is a top-team F1 driver.
Schumacher help him pass 1999 in Malaysia... and Michael keep hakinen in third position...
He's so cool!
I have always been a fan of Eddie Irvine.
Maybe I'm one of the few but I loved Eddie's driving style and it was one of my favorites drivers of all time, even though I never cared for the Ferrari team
He lost it in three important incidents after France. First he slid wide and finished 3rd not 2nd in Hungary - 2 points gone. Second of all, after the team fucked up the pit stop at Nurburgring he was in 6th, made a mistake and let hakkinen through who then finished 5th, - two points lost against hakkinen. Last of all his accident in Suzuka in Qualifying, started in 5th which he should've been higher on the grid as he knew the circuit very well.
He only won in Australia due to both McLaren's failing to finish the race, had Salo move over for him at Hockenheim, had Schumacher give him victory in Malaysia & only won in Austria due to DC taking out Mika at the 2nd corner. It's also a tad disrespectful of him to say Hakkinen only won due to driving a Newey car, when Coulthard was never in Championship contention in the last quarter of any season. At Suzuka he finished almost a lap behind Mika & Michael, which should tell you that he wasn't on the level of either of them.
Good point. You can mention Monza as well, Salo 3rd he was only 6th.
It may have been a tad disrespectful to suggest Mika only won due to a Newey car, but ultimately what Eddie said is true. Between 1992 > 2004; 6x WDC were won by various drivers in Newey cars, the remaining 7x WDC were won by Michael Schumacher. It was a era of Newey vs Schumacher.
Nick C No it was Newey vs Byrne and Brawn. Newey was let down by people who produced botched pit stops, unreliable cars and amateurish strategy.
Looks like you haven't watched the video, sir
He's got charisma. He could've been a Hollywood actor.
Yeah, but charisma isn't that important, I mean actors have to spend most of their time playing someone else.
If Michael hadn't broke his leg he would off won championship 99
He underestimates the importance of reliability He had one mechanical breakdown whilst Mika had four. Speed is overrated the 1995 Williams would break down at the drop of a hat. The 1989 Ferrari finished 30% of its races. If it finished 90% it could challenge McLaren.
Irvine for President!!! I love it that he speaks his mind does give a fuck what anyone thinks thats what you call freedom! thats how we all should be !
The biggest incident for me was Ferrari 'losing' one of Eddies wheels during that pit stop .. Eddie was far better than the history books indicate.
if irvine would have won the 1999 championship it would have been because of help and luck
but he was a very underrated driver, the problem was he had some races where he was off, i think he is a better version of frentzen, take a look at his qualifying speed against barrichello in 1995 races and how he retired herbert
Iconico eddie. Il 99 fu uno scandalo, schumacher piuttosto di non far vincere irvine, fece da fedele scudiero ad hakkinen e andó a festeggiare nei box mercedes. i video testimoniano.Eternamente grato a eddie!Sei un idolo.
So why Schumaher gave Irwine victory in Malaysia?
Imagine how well this series would do since the pandemic. Such a shame it had to end, it was ahead of its time.
There's no way the Ferrari beat McLaren on pace in 2000. Ferrari was closer, yes, but not faster.
Grande Eddie , never forgotten at ferrari
Eddie is sympathetic 👍
He lost it at the Nurburgring when Hakkinen was chasing him down for 6th and he locked up in to the chicane.
also ferrari forgot that a pitstop was to change tyres in that race
Does everyone know the brand and model of eddies sunglasses?
Great Driver!
Not forgetting the worst (and deliberately bad) pitstop ever in Germany that year. Hakkinen was out for the count in that race but was allowed to catch and earn points with Irvine finishing with none !!
If Ferrari wanted to sabotage him they wouldnt had left Michael and Mika Salo to let Eddie through to win Hockenheim and Malaysia.
Roland Ratzenberger... :'(
Ничего не понимаю, но очень интересно
Ferrari him help....but.....no chempion with all season.
Eddie is not starving and that is the lesson.
Ferrari had a hard choice on their hands. They paid so much money for Schumy and Irvine finished ahead of him in the drivers championship for two years (1997 and 1999) out of four that they raced on the same team. In 1997 when Schummacher crashed into Villeneuve, Schumacher was punished for unsportsmanlike conduct for the collision and was disqualified from the Drivers' Championship. In 1999 the three wheel pitstop was one of the factors that cost him the championship. Salo was also a better number two driver to Irvine than Schumy. Why Ferrari didnt sign up Mika Salo after Irvine is a mystery
Schumacher may have finished behind Irvine in 1997 and even in 1999 on paper but you and I are both aware , as well as were Ferrari, that that was not reflective of their performance in the car. Ferrari were also well aware of the fact that, if it weren't for Schumacher, they may not have even finished second in the WCC in 1997. It certainly didn't get there because of Irvine...
nice bait
Eddie seems to want to belittle Mika Hakkinen; that's a shame. I know he has said that "there was Michael Schumacher-and then Mika was a bit better than the rest of us", but nonetheless he seems keen to subtly put him down. Hakkinen also had the finest start under pressure I've ever seen at Sazuka- balls and ability, that won him the championship at the final race. Look that start up here on youtube.
Would've should've could've ...
I will never understand why Ferrari didn't tell MS to let him pass at Suzuka giving him equal points to Mika.
Yes that would have only equaled the points to Mika who would have won the WDC due to his 5 wins to Eddie's 4, but they would have gained bragging rights, and everyone would have remembered the year better because of the draw. And publicity is what they are all in it for at the end of the day.
Ferrari wanted Michael Schumacher to win that race because, even if Irvine would have finished no better than third, he would have won the world championship. Hakkinen would have had four less points by finishing second to Schumacher in that final Grand Prix and as such Irvine would have finished the year two points ahead of Hakkinen. He was pushing to the end as he only finished five seconds behind at the line. Whereas, as you said, Irvine would still have finished second if he finished ahead of Schumacher...and trust me, finishing second because your teammate let you through on a day where you could have wona world title is no consolation prize.
That's because you are not italian, as I am, and you don't know, you don't breathe and live the bad culture we have in Italy about rules and works. Ferrari means Agnelli family, one of the biggest business family in Italy as well as one of the big cancers Italy has always had. There is no meritocracy in our contry, Agnelli family is one bigger examples, with young useless owners, who only survive with the help of the governments and dark links with gangs and criminal organizations(at least for everything related to football tickets and merchandise)... so... in Italy relationship, public image, family, means much more than commitment and merit. Schumacher was the man, and Eddie couldn't have won. And so we had the missing tire...
@m4rcd27 Well, first of all, Ferrari was born as its own brand, from the genius of Enzo Ferrari. If you think Ferrari, this is the name we are proud of. Most of us, will tell you that, what I'm telling you is bulshit, because, in part, we are traditional people, and, as I mentioned before, we don't really know what meritocracy is... and so, the important is that, Ferrari won, no matter who won, no matter in which conditions, who was the manager, etc... If you ask me, Ferrari means, an amazing example of our creativity, made, by Enzo Ferrari... Agnelli came later and bought the brand. Agnelli's family was protagonist of a big migration from the south of the italy, to the north. Their name is associated with the brand Fiat, who was created by a small group of people member of aristocracy. They settled and growth, in a situation where the background was poverty, pandering and compromise. They contribute to have a big cultural impact in our culture, in the senso of lose of regional roots, and
resignation of a "status quo". Their name is associated with Juventus, as you probably know. One silly example of their cultural impact is the fact that, most of the people from the south part of Italy are fun of Juventus, that is from Turin. Believes me, that isn't a silly thing. In our background of submission, they really were a cancer. Their brand, Fiat, survived to all the economic crisys, due to the effort of the different governments, which, in order to avoid mass layoffs
, helpd the company with great national trades. As you probably know, it recently transformed to FCA and moved to Canada... and that happened after the last economical help from the government, and their
reassurance on not moving their base abroad. And there were many layoffs... During the years they were, regardless of who the family member was and what generation he was a part of, their name is associated with sex scandals, economical crisys, and sport scam. As you probably know, a few years ago, their football team, was move to the b-league, due to their violent influence on referrees, and football goverbùnment. A couple of months ago, a member of their group committed suicide, because its name was associated to "Camorra"; the sad true, is that he really was involved, selling tickets to mafia people in order to sell them again at a bigger price. Obviously the young Agnelli manager said he wasn't aware of what was happening... Oh yes... I just want to repeat me again. If you talk to another italian guy, you can be hearing the exact contrary... we are a really traditional, servile people. And this guy could be adressing me as a Comunist. But that is the reality. Agnelli always had influence on our politics. So, in the end, keep Ferrari in your heart as Enzo Ferrari, and red, amazing cars. Keep Michael Schumacher in your heart and forget about Agnelli, Marchionne, and their recent lack of results, that is due to their never changing attempt to win without hard work, and economic effort... that is their policy, that is our cultural background.
@m4rcd27 You have to consider how different is here the point of view in politics: we don't have any kind of parties that looks like the dicotomy republicans/ democrats or labor vs tories... Nowaday the situation is really changed, but, until the half of 90es, our political alternatives were(regardless of the name of the political forces) catholics against pseudo/communism. Both of them I think are really different from the idea that someone of Deutch or Belgium could have of their corrisponding parties... It would be very difficolt to say. Agnelli were at the extreme wing of that catholic force, and, in italy, that means fascism... or something that looks like. What I meant before was, that, here, you could have a different idea, you could be someone who thinks with his own ideas... if you think different(in this case from a traditional force) you are a communist...Well, I'm not... The northern part of italy is a little different from the rest. First, he's reach. In a certain way, he looks more like a northern country, but with our cultural deformities... So, yes, you work hard, but you also exploit the people who works in your company, you try every way possible not to pay taxes, and you pay people from bureaus in order to have contracts. They felt like, their paradise was invaded from people from the South, who they call "terroni", and treated like less-human. The fact is, that, even if it was richer, the north of italy was the part with less care about culture and it was traditionally more closed. That was the background for the green flag. But today the green flag don't work... They changed from "Lega Nord"(league of North), to "Lega". They were now led by Salvini, a smart, dirt guy, who understands how, the problem today couldn't be the "terroni" from South, but people from a souther part of the world. We needed a new enemy in order to forget our mistake as a nation, and in order to not think ouselves guilty, but someone else(people from Africa)... The strange fact is that, we never had a senso of our nation, and we always hated each other(south agains north, roman against milan, etc), but today we have found a common enemy. So we don't need to look at the mirror... P.s. Salvini is teasing our minds, with the idea of a strong man who guides the other... We had a certain Benito Mussolini in the past... another guy who was an asshole, as Salvini is, but really good in taking advantage of realationships, lack of honesty)...
@m4rcd27 Well, our mistakes were years of personal interests against the community, with no sonse of our nation. No ethics, no meritocracy, from the cheaf of a nation to the poorest worker... Our nation is cracking. No hope, economical crisys... We prefer to find the enemies out, instead of looking in the mirror...
Sorry Eddie, but your own mistakes cost you the championhip - overshooting pit garage at Silverstone, running wide at Hungaroring and Nurburgring, crash during qualifying at Suzuka...you cant blame losing the title on team orders, you had a lot of support from your team mates since you became no. 1 driver
Schumacher on the last race got pole position and quite on purpose spunge tge wheels at the start instead of leading and controlling the race in Irvine's favour. I guess Michael was never going to forgive Irvine for not allowing him pass leading to a crash out and broken leg
@@irishguy200007 Schumacher help him pass 1999 in Malaysia... and Michael keep hakinen in third position...
@@irishguy200007 I can understand that Michael didn't want Eddie to become the 1st Ferrari champion since 1979. On the other hand if Eddie really was world champion material, he should have taken the pole position and race win by himself and not rely on his teammate's help instead.
@@xvita18 I understand this but Irvine's car suddenly lost all performance for two or three races if I remember when Schumacher was out so I am curious how that happened. As I am cynical in every way I would presume the Ferrari engineers, at least the ones loyal to Schumacher messed with Irvine's car.
@@irishguy200007 if Michael didnt want to help he wouldnt have let him through in Malaysia. And the start claim is an anomaly because Michael was notoriously a bad starter something even Eddie admits.
Eddie "I don't give a f*ck" Irvine. Great.
Another great decision from Ferrari... But not as good as Andrea Stella pit-in call to Alonso in Abu Dhabi 2010.
Magny-Cours only would have gave him 1 point, he needed 2 more points to win it because if he was tied with Hakkinen, Hakkinen would win it because of more wins.
Michael would have let him past in Japan for the extra 2 points.
mistake is
mika salo should give italy to eddie
and
schumi will give japan to eddie
so simple
f1 teamsport eddie 99 champion
Ferrari sabotaged Irvine's chances of being world champion in 1999 by making a total fuck up of a pit stop where they "forgot" to bring out one of the wheels. I have no doubt because of Schumacher crying down the phone at them from his hospital bed.
Eddie did a good job of throwing it away himself, that one pit stop wasn't the sole reason Irvine lost
Schumacher help him pass 1999 in Malaysia... and Michael keep hakinen in third position... Schumi help him..
If Schumi was a true piece of shit he would have drove as fast as possible and won in Malaysia where he held a minute lead before he started dropping back to let Eddie through. He drove as slow as possible yet still had to let Eddie through twice. Eddie wasnt fast enough he should have got 6th in Nurburgring and 2nd in Hungary that alone would let him win by 1 point without Michael's help but instead he went wide under pressure in the closing laps of the race and practically handed extra points to Mclaren and Hakkinen.
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For all the non-italian guys who wonders how it was possible for Ferrari to lose a tire: we really have a bad, dark culture about work and merit... Ferrari means Agnelli, one of the worst example, in our country of work and merit. Eddie, couldn't have won. Michael was the man, Michael was the investment and the brand. We are talking about a family, who exploited his workers for a century, who only survived with the help of the governments, whose football management was sentenced as guilty from sport and criminal courts; a family whose leaders have no problems in talking with mafia and fascist groups, in order to sell football tickets...
Yes, that was a very strange pit stop indeed.
Same talk as previous video. Boring zzz
Michael Finished 1 spot ahead of irvine in the Final race....that's what cost him the championship.
No because if Irvine had finished 2nd, he would have the same amount of points but Hakkinen won more races so it was useless to let him finish 2nd.
I think that Schumi didn't challenge Mika for the win because if he did win the race, Eddie would have been champion and Schumi didn't want him to be a champion. He only wanted to win the Constructors Championship for Ferrari
Schumacher would have had nothing to lose in letting Irvine be champion...he would have known full well that it wasn't for his lack of ability that he had no chance to win it himself that year and that he would still have been the only one of the two who had routinely been able to challenge for world titles even when his car was not as up to speed (pun intended). He also would have known that Irvine would have been replaced with Rubens Barrichello at the start of the next season and that that would have been over. But that's just my personal take on it...you could be right, but we'll never know...
@@anthonyiuculano6002 There was a lot to loose here. This was about being the driver who brought back Ferrari to the top. It was about more than just a championship. Irvine winning it would have been catastrophic for Michael.
Irvine is/was not champion material. He was lucky indeed that McLaren had issues, and he only won in Malaysia because MS let him through. Had he not let him, MS would've that one by a minute. He lost points in Hungary, Nurburgring, etc ... So Eddie, be a man and just, I wasn't quick enough. In '99 Ferrari was on par if not a bit quicker than McLaren. MS would've been champion that year.
not to mention Mika threw away some valuable points by very poor driving (namely san marino, monza), although so did Eddie, but to a lesser degree. Michael would have put the fight to McLaren and most likely beat them.
Eh... Irvine was man enough to admit that he indeed was lucky and just not quick enough.
He just telling the way it is happen on that year.
But of course, giving the place only make sense with hindsight in hand.