🛠 Tuning in the 1980s | TECHNICALLY SPEAKING
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
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Ever wonder what tuning was like back in the early days of fuel injection? Join us as we celebrate our 35th birthday by taking a trip down memory lane and learning what it was like to tune with DOS, a Haltech F9, and a lovely old Toyota Celica.
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Shortcuts:
00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Under the hood
06:22 - A little bit about DOS
10:35 - Haltech F9 Software
18:40 - Competition time!
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You should experiment with Raspberry pi and dosbox. Make a mini computer with touchscreen that fits in the glovebox. Bluetooth keyboard and laser trackball... mice need flat space. You could even do it on a PiBoy DMG. Program an 89 ECU with a Gameboy looking device. It's overkill sure, but what will you do when you can't find a working ancient computer?
@@pgtmr2713 🤣 obviously you don't understand why people enjoy 100% MECHANICAL cars .... You should experiment with points and a carburetor..
How about my RA23 Celica that's still running a F7 and is sweet as!!
@@WezleyB You're not understanding my post. It was more about the computer used to tune the car than it is the car itself. The car which is running on an ECU, showcased by a company that makes ECU's for cars old and new, but I digress. Carrying around an old laptop that probably won't hold up too well, magnetic hard drive. Big, chunky, doesn't fit the aesthetic of an old Toyota. The space it takes up whether on the seat, or on the floor. A loose heavy item. When something could be built or bought that takes up less space, fits in the glovebox, carries backup tunes, runs the old software required just the same, newer batteries, better memory cards, maybe even some kind of data logging. In a hide away package. Maybe even in a visor or something.
Currently following Uncle Tony's Garage' slant 6 Miata build for some of the old school all mechanical fun.
I have an 88 Corvette that runs yall's plug and play and love it, no Facebook for me so I'll bow out
A library is a place....
Spat my coffee everywhere.
Hehehe, glad you enjoyed that bit.
I'll show it to the Missus... A Uni librarian ;)
Ditto. I'd just swallowed some drink otherwise it'd have been all over my room.
Between that and the save icon part I can't tell if it's a sincere explanation or not
@@haltech Family Guy came to my mind: "You know I wrote a book." "Huh, what is that?" "It is like a long magazine." "Huh?" "It is like the Internet made out of wood" :D :D :D
Really enjoyed this one team! Looking forward to what comes next 🤘 - Taz.
Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback!
I recall in the 90s when I was a teenager one of the older teenagers who just had just got their license had a Nissan Bluebird a FJ20ET conversion. I had not much of an idea about cars back then. But he showed me the engine management and it was a box with a heap of dials on it. No idea of the brand and I have no idea if it had a computer interface.
I remember telling my parents I was staying at a friends house and he would take us to the illegal street drags and this bluebird used to smash V8s left, right and centre with 5 of us in it. One guy who had a newish VR/VS HSV with an aftermarket supercharger was so angry he tried fighting the owner. But I’m general most people loved it.
Cool as, it was probably a microtech d5 analog or similar.
Gotta love the salty v8 owners when they lose to seemingly a shitbox but is actually a sleeper.
This is freaking cool!! As a car guy who works in IT, I'm over here geeking out😬😬!!
Same here. Brings back some memories. That would of been some high tech stuff back then.
When you started to describe what a floppy disk was, and how it was the inspiration for the save icon, I actually felt older than the Ark.
😄😄😄
Takes me back to the days that my mates and I used to fool ECUs with resistors in the temp circuits and what have you, nowdays I am teaching qualified mechanics how to use a timing light... guys that have been in the trade for 15 years that have never seen or used one, don't get me started on tuning a carby lol
Yeah, it's weird, too, I'd been finally kinda settled down and rebuilding kit for a number of years of wrenching again, didn't need to buy a timing light till this past winter. It was also weird to have to buy one at all, cause it used to be any given garage would have at least one of those oversized fake chrome ones from someone's Dad collecting dust on the wall. :) )
I’m happy “Page up” was still a thing back then.
Goes back to Royalty... The King says "I'm finished with that boy... Page, up"...
That's where it came from, outside of tuning Ecu's I don't really use that key.
Having to explain a serial port! Damn that makes me realise how old I am! Love that car, great vid, thank you ;-)
What a great retrospective. It is amazing how far we have come with computer/ silicon performance since the '80s.
My Vintage 1976 Datsun 280Z is running very nicely on a Haltech E11-V1... that's right. A V1. Bit of a rare beasty I'm told
Very rare indeed! Would love to see some pix of your ride!
@@haltech Posted a couple on FB page. Car is now in shop getting JDM bumpers. new T3 suspension, Electric Power Steering and a Motor with some more ponies.
240Z E6X here (was E6A). Dad's 1600 has an F9 controlled FJ20E.
@@richardboyk3493 _respectful bow_
That takes me down memory lane setting up a 1983 celica turbo with an E6K back around 1992!
Oh yes, old tech and cars! My favourite combo! DOS programs and car tuning, what a combo. Makes you realise how far we have come.
Haltech sure have gotten a long way. But i really appreciate how good the old ecu worked.
U kidding, they started super strong if they had this before win 3.11. I mean the stuff they did with 256kB and some vacuum hoses...
This brings back soooooo many memories
That’s a beautiful Ta22. Love the aggressive front end with the mirrors up front
Matt from Haltech was the MAN in the mid 90s for Haltech. I had a F3, F7 and still have a F9 oall on rotaries.
I'm a carpenter driving a stock gm truck in the us. But I still love anything Tuning Fork.
Luke at haltech helped me out when i had an EK6 in my celica. It was fun to work with DOS. He put me onto a Sprint 500 after that. which i still have running the car to this day. Elite 550 or 750 next. Luv the software. thank guys
I'm getting horrifying flashbacks of burning my own EEPROM's back in the days before CAN was around and USB was everything.... Thanks for that!
I had one of those aftermarket cruise control systems... It was basically a bicycle cable pulling on the throttle.. the little lead ball would rip off the end every couple years... 🤣
Last fited one of those 5 short years ago to a '97 Delica diesel. Still available and you can even fit them to an e throttle car, by having the cable pull the pedal. Great for a low end modern car that is difficult (or not cost effective) to tune/replace the ecu
@@idrisddraig2 I remember having to do pedal pull steps.. then you would have the customer complain they can hear the vacuum valves...
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 one in my 97 honda is factory and almost identical
Fantastic Scott !!! More content like this haltech will only get better and better than any other brand!!!
Love it !!!
I lost it at the "library" part. Good on you Scotty!
That Davies Craig digital fan controller is actually pretty cool. Well, cool for a basic stand alone fan controller anyway. Really simple to wire up and control two separate fans with it 👌
I have one on my '99 Ram for twin SPAL fans. Works great!
Controlling two separate fans sounds COOL!
It is COOL that you are a FAN!
But of a throwback, haven't seen one in a long while. Seeing them again, im thinking I wouldn't mind a little digital screen in my engine bay telling me the coolant temp haha
two of my favourite things combine
This brings memories back of my younger days with computers. I'm aging hard with this. Fun to see how this all went down way back when.
I cashed in my holidays and purchased an F3 from Barry Jones to run my old school 13B rotary to drop into my 4 door Mazda 323 in 1989, brought a XF EFI intake from the wreckers, used the throttle body, unsweated the injector holders from the fuel rail, machined up some injector mounts, made the intake from mandrel bends, went suck through, T04B / 42mm wastegate, had a lot of fun :)
always good to see where we've come from, to truly appreciate where we are today.
Wow...reminds me of just getting out of High School and drooling over wanting to tune my 1971 Datsun 521 Truck...thank you for sharing and bringing back these memories
This was amazing, thank you!
This make makes me feeling old, oldies and goldies, thanks love this video.
What an awesome vid. Thanks so much for the memories of old tuning. Love the steering wheel club lock cameo as well :-)
LOL - the club lock - no 1980s car was complete without one.
That era celica is thing of beauty, i saw one in england and it was so pretty in that mustard colour
love the retro stuff
Awesome video guys, I love the idea of period modding old 80s cars, definitely not going to give the results of using modern hardware. But there were so many obscure old school Japanese turbo and supercharger kits with old school solutions to fueling, like supplementary injectors, hob switches, etc. Catalogues full of stackable fuel, ignition, boost modules. Beautiful bolt in ARC intercoolers and intakes. If I ever win Tattslotto, I'm going to blow a heap of money building a TOM's C5 MZ21 Soarer from the NOS parts that turn up on Yahoo auctions!
So cool to see how far ECU tech has progressed since the eighties. I think I read somewhere that in the early tuning days they had to solder in resistors, capacitors and various other electronics for tuning. What I found really interesting was that the 1968 Beetle was the first car to have an engine computer. I really enjoyed this video.
Awesome content, I love those Celicas, and that old school Haltech is impressive! Great vid.
Thanks... Always thought a liebary was a method of hiding lies😂😂
I love how good you are at explaining everything, for me, electronics are hard as hell, but this is so concise and easy to understand that I've been getting an Idea of how this kind of tuning works just by watching your videos c:
Geez this took me back, DOS was a workout, kids now will never know the struggle
This is SUPER cool to me! I love revisiting or learning about older automotive technology.
I ran a mate's workshop for a while in the 2000s.
He had previously specialised in, of all things, Lada cars.
Most of them had thankfully gone to heaven but we still saw a few of them.
I spent WAAAAAY too long nutting out an issue on a 'special' Aussie version that had EFI installed from new.
From what I recall it was a Peter Brock workshop built efi fitment using an Aussie inlet manifold and a Haltech F3 fuel only ecu.
The maps were 'locked' behind a password that the Lada dealers had so they could set base timing etc.
The one I got to play with was long after the passwords were forgotten.
I had the team at Haltech unlock the ecu and then tried to tune it - however, while I could view and change millisecond settings visually in the tables, the actual injector time remained locked 😳
After lots of phone calls, and sending the ecu back to Sydney,
Haltech very kindly offered a repaired spare F3, but it meant starting mapping from zero...
Not easy doing the old road tune with a basic 10 LED O2 box 🤣👍
Got there in the end and made the owner happy, but gave away about 20hrs of uncharged labour.
I was not going to let it beat me!
The things you do eh. 😁
Togliatti Fiats ;) my wife ran several in Hungary.
Loved this episode! I like that they kept the old ecu in there.
Ran an E6K in my Del Sol back in the 90's. Crazy how far this stuff has come.
That Celica is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! I can't wait to get my '74 looking like that!
Hello from Trinidad and Tobago Love the old school stuff.and yes it makes me apritiate the new techs a whole lot more.#haltechislife
This was an awesome concept for a video
Ahhhh yes the graphics of my youth... wow things have changed and gotten so much simpler. Sometimes nostalgia sets in and you wish for "simpler times" but man things got better.
I used to have a 1980 Corona with the 3T. Put twin 2T carbs on it and extractors. Sounded great but wasn't exactly fast. Always wanted a 3T-T but could never afford - and now, like you, still can't afford!
That was a great throw back to a bygone era..
So cool
F3 memories, ultra reliable and did a great job 👌
Geeking out hard with this video! First computer was a 486-50mhz with a 100mb hard drive, 256mb of ram, running DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11. Oh the times.
started tuning haltec F3 systems in the -90. still got it in a shelf it never fails. did modify it whit a 7 bar map sensor. last run in 2010 did low 10 sec run in a volvo B20 chevy vega.
That Celica is one hell of a looker.
They're stunning - we've got one on our "to do list" with an SR20 swap.
I used to own a car with an EK6. Never got to mess with it. I didn't have the software. It's long gone, now.
Wow, this takes me back!
God what a beautiful car ♥
Awesome Scotty. I have fond memories of my TA22 with a 3TGTEU running the stock ECU. It ran out of fuel supply pretty quickly with the factory lines though :-)
Looking at the old tech is so cool
Having worked in command prompt and with computers around this age, this was so cool. Got wide eyed at the main splash screen. Definitely prefer what we have now!
Nice! working on setting up a f9 for my rx7.
EMS Stinger interface is similar. Was hard to get the comm port to comunicate lol .I even have the Dell latitude laptop around because is still had the serial port. Ran the software via dos prompt. lol the memories
Geeking out on the '80's tech.Showing us the old school DOS interface that I remember so well. Doing it all while sitting next to an '80s anti-theft device! Brings back memories.
#GoodTimes
I remember watching Australian Group A from the 80s and seeing the onboard footage of Colin Bond's car, and there you could see the GIGANTIC Motec unit in the passenger footwell of his Sierra lol
Starting a program through a command prompt brought back some memories for sure!
Wow, that is so cool!
Got to love tuning fork! 👌
Love the old Celica what an iconic shape
Good times.
That is some nice-looking software, interesting how even tuning strategies have changed nowadays also.
How cool is that! As a petrol head and someone who enjoy's playing around with computers I really enjoyed that
Glad you enjoyed it! We were wondering how many people would skip it because of "old" tech no longer appplicable.
My 1st and last expetience was an E6k in a mazda mx3 yr 2002.
In Trinidad it was a black art. I had a pc with a ups in the car to road tune... Boy that was hell but very satisfying. Getting the dizzy trigger was quite a thing..
Lordy thats a nice car!
MS-DOS - that takes me back!
That was amazing! 2 years old and still entertaining... I do wonder, "Does that Haltech software work in FreeDOS?" That would be fun to try.
When I saw 1989 it was going to be about hexadecimal chip tuning like the Bosch Motronic 1.3 system
Absolutely awesome video though!!!!
Love the Xircom PCMCIA network + modem card.
Super cool✌️👍
Thanks ✌️
I just started looking at EFI for my old Datsun Fairlady today and this comes up.
That ecu very advanced for its time and beautiful Celica
I had a turbo sigma with magna fuel injection microwreck fuel only. and the distributor with the boost retard/advance diaphragm.. ahh this brings back memories
Very cool. I was expecting Clint from LGR to come in and describe the specs of the laptop.
Also, my unkle had an absolutely ragged TA22 Celica that belonged to my Grandfather who I never net. When I was 15 I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Actually I was very surprised at how good the software was for the time. That real time tuning is amazing. I can't believe that everything is coming in to the computer so smoothly.
I'm happy the TA22 didn't get the Y2K bug!
Favorite inbuilt dos program i loved
FDISK
Thats the neutral drop of programs for computers lol
this would have made you such a hot shot , even the laptop was a big deal high end thing
LOL account hacked
Sorry about that. Not an actual hack - they just created an account that had an almost identical name and spammed the comments section. Reported them but man, what a nuisance...
I don't do the Facebook thing but have a haltec intercepter in my vs Commodore ute don't know what year it's from maybe late 90s 2000 I discovered it behind kick panel after buying the ute 8years ago i thought I was big balln LOL
Not gonna lie, that Celica looks super fabulous! Also, I find the process of tuning the F9 very fascinating.
It just shows you how far we have come to tuning ECUs! (^_-)
Very cool. Surprised I don't see an LGR comment yet. Would love to see more video's on this subject.
Radical dude
Cowabunga!
@@haltech Tubular.
Gnarly
Wow!!
Ha! I had a TA22, and used it drool over the 2TG engine with a T18 bottom end. This was before front cuts and import engines
still better than a current microtech ;)
You must have rustled their jimmys with that comment, they just made a video today after a few years 😛
Scotty tuning fork is a real genius man
Oh the memories. Not all of them good ones. I remember having to remove the separate driver for the extra keyboard functions to have enough free memory to run games. Mucking about with making a boot menu for it was... painful.. Strangely enough it hardened me into thinking Linux was smoking easy! :P
Started using DOS back in the day, my daily driver is a Linux box these days... As Scotty was "cd"ing around I'm thinking "yep, that's how it was done, no tab completion either." but my brain kept screaming "ls" instead of "dir".
My first upgrade was a Math Coprocessor for a 386SX, to squeeze all that _rad_ floating point arithmetic magic. Remember when 33MHz was fast? Config.sys still haunting you (as it does me?) lol
The crazy thing is that most people younger than 25-30 actually need all these explanations about DOS and Windows and floppies and crap.
In 1988 the laptops didn't have colour screens or hard drives. Battery life of one hour. Haltech was sponsored by Hitachi back then. They gave us some laptops because Haltech appeared on Beyond 2000.... and we were really lean and couldn't afford $3500 for a laptop. A townhouse in Marsfield in Sydney cost $95K then, so laptops were expensive. It would be like paying $37k for a laptop today.
Oh man, DOS thru a serial port!!! Straight up terminal command-line interface!
For those non-dinosaurs, here’s a tidbit: before Gates bought DOS from its creators and renamed it MS-DOS it was called QDOS for “Quick and Dirty Operating System.” Also, I remember the first external hard drive my mother (graphic designer since the days of x-acto knives, stainless-steel rulers, rubber cement and mechanical publishing on a light table, real OG shit) bought for her Mac Plus. It was a whopping 40 MB, loud as hell when spinning up, weighed about 1.5 kilos and took up 40 cm of desk space. Insane to think that was only a little over 30 years ago…
Ahhh those were the days, when cutting and pasting actually meant cutting and pasting, hot wax was used for sticking galleys onto artboards and touching up a photo mean actually using a paint brush on a negative film.
I have a datsun 1600 wagon with S14 SR20 running a E6X pretty sure it was tuned by you Scotty back in the day. Want to upgrade but also like the old school coolness of an old ecu.
My EB turbo has an E6X in it too... Well, technically it does... It hasn't run for 6 years because the ecu started doing crazy timing stuff so I parked it and bought a house instead of fixing it...
@@Rollin8.0 i dont think mine is controlling the idle control valve correctly so ill upgrade to something else in the future.
This is great. Would love to see more old school tuning. Grassroots older stuff. Mechanical and electrical. While maybe newer technology is better for a modern day expert, what with everything be controllable and logged, this general situation seems so much more simple and relatable to me. You bought parts and put them on your car and nothing was ever quite right but damn if you didn't convince yourself it was all worth it lol I have some experience with computers and software but the thought of trying to DIY a modern ECU/Tune seems crazy overwhelming/risky/expensive to me. I put R35 ign. coils on my R32 and had to tweak the dwell time on the Nistune software. I spent so much time online trying to understand what to do and nothing was ever quite clear. Been running great though so I guess I figured it out.
Even got the old Club steering wheel lock 👌🏻
I had a TA23 celica I built around 96-98 with a 3T GTE engine. Intercoolers were a rare and expensive thing! You were looking at $2k+ for intercooler setup which was big dollars in the late 90's. There was no such thing as a cheap Chinese ebay intercooler. No ebay and you couldn't get one from the trading post newspaper either!
Ahhh... the good old Trading Post. sigh...