Very Expensive: Our Thoughts on Nvidia RTX 4090, RTX 4080 16GB, RTX 4080 12GB, DLSS 3 and More
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00:40 - RTX 4090, RTX 4080 16GB, RTX 4080 12GB Specs
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05:15 - Nvidia Performance Claims and Value Discussion
10:00 - Ada Lovelace Features
15:05 - Final Thoughts
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Very Expensive: Our Thoughts on Nvidia RTX 4090, RTX 4080 16GB, RTX 4080 12GB, DLSS 3 and More
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2x the performance, 2x the price! Now watch me move 2x as fast away from giving Nvidia money!
You aren't the only one. I'm going amd next gen
Lol, imagine doubling up the price every time performance doubles, soon we are gonna have 10k $ gpu
@@isaacnetero8277 crazy thing i had nightmare about it when i was sleeping tonight, shit this deja vue. I was thinking same thing couple days ago. Is not sustainable,
@@isaacnetero8277 To give an analogy, imagine if car makers did this. Imagine Volkswagen creating a new gen of cars. Then they learn that the old cars are still rusting in storage, unsold, and they decide to:
- Not release Up!, Polo, or Golf models.
- Rename an actual Golf to "Passat" to be able to pass it for x2 price.
- Jack up pricing of actual Passat by 30%.
- Expect to rake in profit during economic recession.
And the most bizarre thing is that even though people would completely laugh off VW for doing that, they will probably make greedvidia richer because the gaming community really is *that* stupid. But I guess we'll see on Nov 3rd.
@@wikingkrig5801 bro dreaming about gpu's, you must have no gf for sure LOL
The tech community should make a consensus of calling the rtx 4080 12gb as what it actually is, rtx 4070. We need to stand together to stop nvidia bullshit.
Simply don't buy. As long as people keep buying, they have no reason to lower prices.
RTX 4078?
Came to say this haha. The other comment, 4079 or 4077 or something also could work.
Has apple reduced their prices for their products?
Same with nv customers.
Good for me that I have zero interest left in "modern" AAA gfx whore games.
and for 900$ :D that is rtx 4110 price range, what a scam product
Here in Europe pricing went from 759€ for the 3080 to 1469€ for the 4080. This is insane, almost double the price.
That's not bad, like the price of one tiny plastic hose for a bmw
the price is made by demand and say thanks to the smart people inflating the market buying overpriced cards compared to their msrp. The same people complaining now!! and for what?? for playing games!!! ahahahahaha. did you expect after two years the technology went so far to double performance of their most powerful rtx card sold at half its price.. nooooope. but what really makes me laugh is this totally dumb expectation. and plese forget that amd will ever touch the 4090 perf.. not even in their dreams
@@appaio Yeah AMD never beat Intel either, oh wait...
@@Kaboomnz yeah and the RedBull never beat Ferrari... oh wait! totally unrelated and invented! ah sorry I was in the realm of dreams together with AMD believers.. I apologize
@@appaio I'm no AMD fan, I'm a fan of competition so I'm hoping they can produce something close to the 4090 performance. One thing is for sure though, they'll have better performance per watt. Don't bother replying if the extent of your conversation skills is to belittle and insult.
Hope AMD understands what a unique opportunity they have now.
The opportunity to increase prices and make more money for their shareholders?
On one hand, it could be a coup for AMD to simply price the 7X00 series the same as the 6X00 series. On the other hand, if they do that, then Nvidia will probably just slash their prices to compensate, leaving AMD in no better competitive position while making hundreds of dollars less per card than they could've been making, upsetting shareholders. The safest thing to do to keep those shareholders happy is to price the cards close to Nvidia's prices, but just a little less. That's what they did 2 years ago and will probably do again, but it'd sure be great if they resisted that temptation this time around.
@@Osprey850 What you just said could be a very good arguement, except for the fact that Lovelace is much more expensive to produce compared to RDNA 3. So, AMD can keep the same prices while still having good margins and NVIDIA would not be able to do the same unless they sold the 4000 series at cost or at a loss. They are not as greedy this generation as they seem, it's just that Lovelace and its TSMC 4N node are just really expensive, and don't forget that they still have warehouses of 30 series cards to sell. AMD doesn't have that same problem and thus could lower their prices to the same level as Ampere while performing as well as the 4000 series, which would cripple the ability for Ampere stock to sell on a profit, which is what NVIDIA needs. AMD definitely knows this, so I just hope they play their cards correctly this generation. I would still expect for RDNA 3 to be priced above RDNA 2, of course, it only makes sense with the performance uplift it will bring, but definitely not as high as the 80% increase in MSRP from the RTX 3070 to the RTX "4080" 12GB.
It's the same opportunity they have every time.. To make a product that is not a fast, and has fewer features, that you will pay almost the same price for.
@Jeffrey Grindle intel can't design shit LMFAO
LTT: "These prices make sense, we're lucky it's not higher."
GN: "We don't want to comment on the pricing till we've reviewed the performance ourselves."
Hardware Unboxed: "Nah these prices are absurd."
Think I'm in the Hardware Unboxed camp today.
Underrated comment
GN’s stance is ok, cause they will definitely butcher Nvidia if the performance/price doesn’t add up.
Hardware Unboxed came out swinging though you love to see it
GN always takes a pragmatic approach, but LTT's video caught me way off guard. There is no chance in hell this isn't a money grab.
@@fdfd4739 Be glad LTT didn't push 8K this time. As if they would do serious coverage...
Yup hope they don’t change
900$ 4070, genius. Almost double in 1 gen
And no reference cards, so that will almost certainly be a fake MSRP.
Didn’t you hear? LTT says it’s below inflation increase of the 3090 msrp. So no prob
When i saw this i fucking laughed out loud. How gullible do they think we are
@@Akkbar21 he's nothing more than part of the industries marketing arm.
You don't grow to 30 employees with unbiased reviews.
@@Akkbar21 ha
I love how everyone is purposely calling it a “4070 12gb”
Call it what it is not what they want basically
And yet, it will utterly DESTROY the AMD 7800 series cards with all the eye candy turned on.
I love how they made the 4070 accomplish its dreams to become a proper 4080
Very soon, there'll be RTX6050 going for $700 and we'll have to go all the way down to 6010 to get an affordable 1440p sub $300 card.
How dare you? The RTX 4070 identifies as a 4080. Don't be a techphobe.
None of this is proper!
It's not a propper 4080, it's a 4080d M-sport
It's not easy being a 70 card of colour green in this World.
I planned to treat myself with like 4070/4080 GPU this generation. But I didn't expect a middle finger of this size from Nvidia
Buy AMD this year. The RX 7800 XT will probably trounce the "4080" 12gb.
Definitely go amd this year. They’re gonna be more power efficient and better at raytracing than the 3000 series
You didn't?! lmao. In fairness I didn't think it would be this bad but I knew they would try some shit. It's probably to manipulate people to buy the 30 series cards while the 40 series are being drip fed out.
@@ElladanKenet and get an amd cpu that comes with avx512 instructions for RPCS3 emulation, amd will kick ass this year!!!
Same boat still using a 1080 decided I will finally upgrade this gen as the rumours were of a significant performance increase just wasn't expecting the price to increase by just as much, very interested in what amd will have to offer this year now
Charging $900 for the 4070 12GB seems to be an intentional rip off, to help sell all of the remaining 3000 series stock. Though, it's not like Nvidia needs much of an excuse to be glutinous.
That was my first thought. Then once they have sold through 3000 and see what AMD has maybe they could drop the rrp.
@@VMC_Boy I also think that's their plan. To prolong 30x0 sales by introducing new gen cards at unreasonable prices, then drop the prices on new gen to somewhat reasonable around the time they introduce new midrange.
its not even going to be $900, its going to be $1000+ because there's no founders edition according to their own website (no card dimensions posted)
There wasn’t a 4070 announced. The 4080 12gb is $900
@@Upracefan no that's a 4070 in a fancy dress
Based upon the recent Nvidia earnings call, where Jensen Huang explained that they would be adjusting supply to allow the new cards to fit into the current product stack alongside the excess stock of 30 series cards, it could be that Nvidia are deliberately overpricing their new cards to make the 3080s and 3090s seem better value until they sell through. Then when AMD launch their new cards in bulk Nvidia can price slash the 40 series cards down to a competitive level, albeit higher than AMD due to all the proprietary technologies (DLSS 3.0 etc...) They can then launch a 4090Ti to further reclaim the top GPU title with a significant lead at between $1500 and $2000 for the whales, as well as a 4070 and 4060 to replace the 30 series placeholders in the lower product stack.
This sounds exactly exactly exactly correct.
My thoughts as well. They just gave a reason for gamers to purchase the rest of the 30 series cards. Once they're gone and AMD announce, the 40 series cards will go down in price.
More than likely dude. I doubt you are wrong. They aren't manipulating me into paying that, no fucking way lol.
Yes, agree. Very very likely it'll happen close to that way. They definitely have an oversupply.
Don't know about how much they can pricecut 40series when they have to - the BOM cost seems to be somewhat high, and there's a reason someone like EVGA didn't want to work with Nvidia. The cost must be somewhat high, and margins pretty low, since they don't want to.
Even if this is true, I don't blame people for not feeling much sympathy.
I was thinking about upgrading soon because I hoped the overpriced madness was coming to an end. Now that I have seen the new prices I look at my 2070 super and think.... "You are doing fine, a few more years I think"
I was using a 1070 until recently 40 and 50 series are probably off the charts for me hopefully they come back to reality but you know its nvidia.
Why would you think through prices would come down? And would you upgrade from a 2070? The prices will never be the same as they were before and you can thank nvidia with their 20 series cards for unnecessarily raising standard pricing.
That 12GB card tells you everything you need to know about what Nvidia things of their customers.
Hard pass for me.
Nvidia need a punch in the sales face from consumers. I hope they barely make any sales on these cards and we send a message to them. We've just gone through over 2 years of Nvidia not helping gamers and just selling to miners and scalpers, they've told shareholders they're holding back the tidal wave of 30 series cards they have in stock to keep supply low in the market to keep prices high, and now they're doubling the price of the 40 series over the 30 series and expecting us to take it. Suck it Nvidia.
Yup, they still think we would pay scalpers price after the ETH merge, that's a spit in the customers' faces.
1080ti Gaming X 11GB here and enjoying life.
Yup. I was already pissed at them over how they've been treating customers and partners for years. Now this BS? They seem to think they can just do whatever they want without any repercussions.
@@Tw1s7 1080 Ti is pure trash these days, no-one cares about a 6+ year old GPU, it's almost 7 years soon, getting zero driver focus from nvidia. 4 generations behind. It is slower than 2060 super in pretty much all newer games and 1000 series does not even support dlss or any new rtx feature. Why do you even mention 1080 Ti 😂 It's worth peanuts in 2022, especially after gpu mining died and there is tons of gpus available for purchase.
These price points are absolutely crazy.
Ikr but there's a guy ik says is not for us as is luxury items 😔
Wait until the "scalpers" buy them up and resale for $4000.
@@slim420MM but is not made for meh as the normies say in a server
they are cheap for professional users but not the casual gamer - the energy usage is more of a concern.
In Poland we would have to pay 20% extra. I have so much hate towards Nvidia xD WTF
the fact that price-to-performance hasn't changed since 2019 is scary. I remember when the 1060 launched and it had the performance of a 980 for half the MSRP.
the sad thing is that Nvidia will get away with this, because people with seemingly infinite money keep buying them.
They will no longer be used for Eth mining so we will see how the demand shakes out.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator making 4€ a month now, one year ago it was 50 to 100€ a month.
Acutally, people dont keep buying GPUs, thats not really correct. Look at the steam hardware survey, tons of people use ancient GPUs like 1060s. Most people didnt upgrade.
Most likely a huge part of Nvidias high end sales actually went to cryptominers, not to gamers.
And that was before the current inflation and energy cost increases, which limit spending power even more.
Nvidia is actually being unbelievably deluded and scummy right about now, pretending that these extreme prices are "normal" or affordable in any way.
@@termitreter6545 It's not scummy, it's how they will find the price the market will bear. If no one buys it, it will go down. If people buy it, then it's the right price. That's how goods work.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator No lmao, what Nvidia does is exactly NOT how a market works. Thats the point, thats why theyre looking like a bunch of scammers.
Youre ignoring things like artificial scarcity, misleading marketing, all manners of manipulation, market oppacity, monopolization and many more things. Also the possiblity of Nvidia being irrational.
The kinda stuff Huang said in his presentation borders on delusion (no matter if intentional or not), and theres easily accessible material to make that point.
The two 4080 SKU's are bringing the Laptop GPU experience to desktops!
Rip off
The 4070 12GB being 900$ is beyond insane.
No display port 2.0 is also incredibly disappointing.
Yeah I'm quite surprised at the lack of DP 2.0, particularly given the capabilities the 4090 will have at going beyond 8K 60FPS. Won't Arc support DP2.0, and those cards would never need it.
Edit: These cards will support 8K120 over HDMI 2.1 with DSC apparently, so no need for DP 2.0 yet I guess. DSC has allowed for extending the lifetime of these formats.
No PCI express 5
It's honestly far beyond disappointing for a *thousand dollar product.*
And DLSS 3.0 not being supported by last gen's $2000, top of the line card is the cherry on top of the shite sundae.
They thought you wouldn't notice the scam of the century renaming the 4070 to 4080 and charging double. Screw Nvidia. I am so mad. So happy the 10 series I am on is still going strong.
Somebody needs to tell Nvidia that the crypto craze & GPU shortage is over, they apparently never got the memo.
They forgor
Corporate lives in the world of infinite growth and denial of anything else. Yesterday's unprecedented is today's baseline. There is only one direction, up.
They got the memo, but they desperately need to get rid of 30x0 cards stock. That's why these new 40x0 cards are basically priced to not interfere with old gen cards (except for 4090). They need to sell them ASAP!
They got the memo so they priced their new cards so high that people buy up the massive supply of used and new 3000 cards
Nvidia are not geniuses, they are pricing based on the business performance of previous gen:
- Pascal was great, sold like hotcakes -> Turing was overpriced shit "backed up" by marketspeak showing off tech that wouldn't become relevant until basically now (4 yrs later).
- Turing was overpriced shit, didn't sell well -> Ampere was more competitively priced (either kept the MSRP or lowered it comparatively), then crypto craze happened.
- Crypto craze happened, inflating a bubble -> Ada is overpriced shit "backed up" by marketspeak showing off tech that wouldn't become relevant.. OH WAIT... xD
The bubble burst so fast that there was probably no time to re-evaluate and adjust the business model. Either that, or Jensen just made this up like week before - "hey, screw that, rename that $600 4070 and make it 4080-12 for $900". Wouldn't be the first time he's done that.
The only risk for nvidia is that AMD can now do whatever they want and cannot lose. They can price nvidia completely out of the market, *if* they want to, and they don't have a huge oversupply of previous gen. Not that they will do that - but they can.
Cracks me up how we don't have every single tech CZcamsr completely condemning the prices. The 30 series wasn't good value and the pricing for every tier went up dramatically. At the rate they are going pc gaming will be reserved to the small few who can afford it
You vill not game and you vill be happy
cry about it brokie
Modern gaming is trash anyways.
@@randomacc7721
You must be an iSheep, if you’re defending an overpriced product.
The industry only cares about people who literally drop hundreds of dollars on a single game anyways. If they can sell half the cards at twice the price they will do it directly and screw over their partners in the process.
How about DLSS OFF for both 3090 Ti vs 4090? I'd like to see the raw power difference.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 at what base FPS? 10? 30? 60? 120? 125? 142? 333?
Just when you thought prices couldn't get anymore stupid. Hopefully their sales take a big hit.
I'm buying RTX 4090 day 1
@@DBTHEPLUG good for you, IMO its a waste
@@DBTHEPLUG Why?
I'll still be rocking a 2080ti for awhile longer, maybe another gen.
@@ufodeath Because i can afford it? This card isn't made for people that can't afford it. Those people are here in the comments complaining.
2 years I couldn't get a 3000 series card when I desperately needed an upgrade.. then by the time they're in stock and reasonably priced, the next generation is about to release.
And now the next generation is not only absurdly priced, it's absurdly specced. They're literally bumping up the tier name of every single card and charging double ontop of it.
Utterly horrific. There's no real way to put in words how disgusting this is.
Turning to the used market to buy a last gen x80 card when I've been a top end enthusiast since the 700 series.. just feels awful.
monopolies + late stage capitalism do have these side effects...
why do you NEED the new card? you said you are an enthusiast. I work in Ai and 3D and will use 4090 to full potential and don’t think 1600 is too much for the value it provides
@@iamshikhersrivastava you can justify these prices for work sure but for gaming its hard and these aren't really workstation cards. if you have a 6-7 year old GPU its getting hard to play recent games on it with decent settings. I was ready to pay 700$ for the 3080 but couldn't get one. To get the same tier with the 40xx series they want 1200$. Its not like that i cant pay but i cant justify it in this financial crisis. Also i don't see the reasoning that Jensen is giving as valid. Its just so they can still sell the old cards for full price msrp since they miscalculated the production and the crypto crash. I can understand why they did what they did but trying to sell us for fools is what gets me mad. Going to wait and check out what AMD has to offer.
@@iamshikhersrivastava Bit late response but to echo on what thereisnospace said, I've been 'suffering' with mediocre performance with my 1080 Ti on a 3440x1440@144Hz monitor.
If I never upgraded from my 2560x1080@75Hz monitor I would not need an upgrade.. but ever since I did, performance has been lackluster and a constant irritation over the last 2-3 years. Modern games (ports?) like Horizon Zero Dawn for example can barely hover around
The 2x and 4x improvement in the graph is mostly due to frame interpolation, latency with remain same without Interpolation and in raw performance case there is not much of an improvement
It seems this was the last video with Lakey Inspired music outro. Salute! The description is incorrectly listing the new music outro.
Yep I'm keeping my 3080 for a few more years
No matter the performance claims, 4080 at $899 is something I can't justify
Also DLSS 3 being exclusive to the new generation is a classic Nvidia scumbag move
I can see why EVGA left
TBF DLSS 3 is very different compared to 2. Current gen cards do not have the hardware capability to run DLSS 3.
Only Lovelade architecture is capable for running 3.0
Nvidia is looking in your face & saying 4060 has more Tensor performance than RTX 3090 Ti.
I absolutely hate DLSS 3.0, there's no technical limitation to lock it, BS marketing
@@Benjamin-wy4dj Alright Nvidia PR team
Bullsnap bro
4080 at 1199* since the 4080 12gb is a 70 class die
Back in the days the GTX1060 3GB vs 6GB sparked some controversies when the 3GB model had 128 less cuda cores (10% less).
The 4080 takes this to a whole new level, with much fewer cores by percentage and also a narrower bus.
edit: mistyped 1060 as 1030
192 bit bus on a $900 card lmao.
The grim reality is, I bet it'll sell sell well. The Ferrari effect is always at play for nvidia products.
2k less cores, bus width that seems like a 70 class 1440p card's bus width.
We're basically only getting 3090ti performance at 300$ discount AT BEST.
*1060 and the argument could be made those two models were segmented to compete against rx 470/570/ & 480/580 4gb & 8gb cards.
The only excuse for the two "4080" cards is.. GREED.
@@silvershines Yeah. Even if AMD's up coming highend matches up like the current generation, I'm expecting the "4080 192-bit/12GB" alone to outsell AMD's entire high-end lineup. Let's hope AMD surprises us.
you mean the gtx 1060?
If this is the way things are going then I'm just done with desktop gaming after my current setup dies on me. Imagine paying around $500 for a 4060 or $600 for a 5060 since we all know Nvidia is going to keep that train rolling.
Honestly same. I managed to get a 3070 for $640 last year but seeing this im done with pc gaming when it becomes time to upgrade. Consoles will do any game at 60fps these days and for $500 for the full system. And I don't see amd swooping in to save the day. They will far more likely just match nvidia's prices but maybe undercut them by $30 or so. So their 7800xt won't be $1200, it will most likely be $1170. Such a deal, wow! 😑
you guys have actually improved the acoustics there. there's less of this mid freq echo! Great work!
Remember people:
- Mining cards (some olds some very news) are being sell for good price and will continue to further lower the price when cards quantity > consumers.
- 3070ti / 3080 are enough if you playing game at high settings + 1440p resolution, 95% of you don't need 4080 16GB unless you really want to push 4K 120fps.
Remember 3090ti was 1999$ and they have to cut it down to 1149$?
Remember we are in a recession?
Buy what you really need and vote with your wallet!
Reward a miner or reward nvidia.... hmm....
@@kickin123 Go for the Miner, he will not Scam you just like Nvidia do
mining is over everyone that stopped mining sold a while ago, all others went to the end and on to next coin> Prices on 3x cards are almost still retail used. Its crazy.
@@Heymeit after what Nvidia did at her presantation and lose EVGA u will give Nvidia not the Blame?
@@kickin123 Ik miners made it harder for gamers to get GPUs but they just trying to make money man.
I'm a long-time NVidia "fan" (due to both features and local pricing), and I remember being very excited during the 30 series launch (along with everyone else), but all the recent events really rubbed me the wrong way. The 40 series could've been their redemption arc, but nope... they doubled down on corporate greed.
Great job, NVidia - not only not getting the neutral crowd, but even angrying your regular userbase and partners. Hope those short gains were worth it.
Well EVGA walked away, nuff said!
I turned my back on Nvidia with the whole 1070 to 2070 nonsense. The price increase and the marginal upgrade absolutely infuriated me. I started with a 970 then went to a 1070. When I saw what they did, I knew it was time to jump ship. I have never owned their gpu's since then and I don't aim to ever again.
The last card I bought was a 1660 Super in 2020 Spring. It doesn't seem like I will buy an nvidia gpu anytime soon. Even with this gpu I can run optical flow real time at 864p 48fps. Intel XeSs is coming soon too. This card will last me until the world economy stabilizes hopefully.
And the 30 series was supposed to be the redemption from the 20 series, I feel like everyone has forgotten how overpriced those cards were and how bloody awful the DLSS and ray tracing support was at the start.
It feels like there hasn't been a great time to buy a graphics card in about 5 years.
And amd for the same price -50$ is that consumers friendly company everyone want 😂
Nvidia make those move because they are in the position to do that. Amd or whatever other company would make the same thing. The only thing we can do is to not buy any of those card but we all know how this will end
It feels like ever since DLSS and RTX launched, NVIDIA’s been hiding their real performance behind it every single time. That and “Oh look, new technology has a new feature that every older NVIDIA card Just Can’t Support. Shucks, seems like we can’t do an apples to apples comparison. Rasterization performance? What’s that? Anyway, RTX and stuff, buy our new most expensive cards. We’ll release the lower end stuff at a mark up in about 10 months.”
Exactly, they knowed they can't compete with 6900 XT and 6950 XT in rasterizatoon performance so yeah DLSS this DLSS that..
7900 XT might be faster even without FSR.
They also forget that supported games are minimal.
Agree 💯
And I wish I didn't 😔
I really hope AMD takes this opportunity that nvidia has presented them to stick it to them.
Opportunity to price their next gen GPUs very high, only 5-10% under Nvidia offerings, just like they always do?
It feels like AMD didnt even try to compete. Their GPUs sold almost as well as Nvidias, but make up like 5% market share or so.
To me that implies they manufactured only very small numbers of GPU, made them slightly cheaper than Nvidias stuff, and called it a day.
I hope that was only because AMD was concentrated on CPUs and consoles APUs. Because Nvidia is such shitty company, their near monopoly is unbearable.
@@termitreter6545 yes I feel that way too. But man if they could take 12 percent to 20 percent away from Nvidia, they would start sweating something sick.
Seems to me that Nvidia's claims are "cheating" for lack of a better word. All benchmarks use DLSS, which means that series 40 was tested using DLSS 3, while series 30 with DLSS 2. They wouldn't do that unless DLSS 3 gave series 40 an advantage. The lack of native resolution benchmarks suggests that native generational gains are lower that those advertised. I wouldn't be surprised if natively the 4090 is at most 50-60% faster than the 3090 TI and as little as 30-40% in some games.
bingo
I bet someone will also make it work on the 3000 series. There's no way my 3090 can't run this crap it's essentially a 4070.
Best observation... you read my mind
@@jasoncohen5469 unless nvidia practically disables it!
now ! this is possibly one reason they disabled DLSS 3.0 to the current rtx 3000, if the raw performance upgrade is 30-40% and DLSS 3.0 is giving boost to the current gen card, lets say dlss 2.0 is 30-50% performance boost while dlss 3.0 in rtx 3k card can give 60 to 100% then it make sense for people to hold their 3k rtx card with DLSS 3.0 instead of buying rtx 4k card because dlss 3.0 vs raw 4k rtx performance is roughly the same
Just remember that 2x-4x performance boost is all RTX numbers and or DLSS3 which rtx is still not supported by all and DLSS3 is only supported on like 35 games. It's basically the 20 series marketing all over again except the rtx is dlss3 this time.
Wrong, the 2x is rasterization, the 4x is ray tracing.
@@Dr.WhetFarts raterization x2 … with dlss3, with the same dlss (dlss2) the gap might be really underwhelming
Spider-man runs native 4k 120fps with raytracing on, over 200 frames with DLSS 3.0, it blows away the 3090, it's not even close
They realized how much people like DLSS as a feature over RT
It's all about the marketing spin
@@Dr.WhetFarts erm no its not......... look at the graphs and benchmarks they showed off, the 2-4x was CLEARLY STATED in the "3 games Jensen specifically mentioned" with RT+DLSS 3 enabled. the graphs are literally on the fucking DLLS 3 blog they dropped...... ALL GAMES HAVE RT ENABLED + DLSS 3 showing 2-4x performance, DLSS 3 by Nvidia's own explanation literally "doubles" your frame rate by interpolating them in between the 1st and 3rd frame generated.
The most impressive parts about nvidias benchmark graphs is how they are obfuscating the actual performance improvement by tweaking the condition to favor the RTX4000-series. In the graph footer they state that they are using 4K, highest settings, DLSS performance mode (when applicable), RT, Nvidia reflex and Nvidia frame generation on the 4000-series (when applicable). Once you take all of that into account that, how much performance is actually gained? In Resident Evil the 4080 12GB performs similarly to the 3090, even though the 4000 series has better RT performance. The fake interpolated frames in "Next Generation Games" increase fps drastically yes, but with faked frames, but it does so with an added latency impact (Which has been confirmed by the "vice president of Applied Deep Learning Research" at nvidia). So it's gonna be really interesting to see how well these cards perform by the HUB benchmark suite. And if these techniques just ends up being sales pitches for nice performance graphs.
dlss 3 prob will gives smoother and visually better perf which wouldnt show on graphs, same goes for red team
As long as the DLSS 3 quality and availability is good I dont care if its "fake" performance. I'm sure there will be intense testing on that feature to determine if its legit or just PR BS. With current prices its also a niche feature. Until prices are down to actually hit mass market we will be at DLSS 3.3 or something like that.
I'm curious what AMD has prepaered, end of year is going to be exciting.
Congrats on the 900K Subs!
This really feels like they're setting up AMD to succeed like Intel unintentionally did. I'm really excited, AMD, please don't let us down
Haven't bought an NVidia card since 2004 and refuse to give them my money. They've become my most unloved Tech firm together with Apple, even (much) worse than Intel. So I guess you could call me an AMD guy, since those were the only options and I've always only bought AMD GPUs since then.
With that said, I'm not expecting much from current AMD... :( Not in terms of perf, I reckon that'll be comparable They've been executing pretty damn well lately. It's the pricing which I fear will disappoint.
I sincerely hope they prove me wrong and that they have another HD4870 moment, but the way they've gone in the past few years, I doubt it. They don't want to be seen as the budget option anymore and they're banking on the success they had with the Ryzen CPUs and the brand recognition that has brought. They'll undercut NVidia... but I highly doubt it will be by much...
AMD are already showing their true colours with upping prices on their CPUs, so I wouldn't be surprised if their new cards coming in Nov are revealed at surprisingly high prices. They used to be the go-to for performance to value ratio on CPUs, but they're clearly now taking advantage of this new success brought on by the latest Ryzen chips over the last 2 or 3 years.
Nvidia will cut their price then.
AMD will let you down, it's how they roll these days 🤙
@@Vlad27145 I think the top card will be 1200 or something. They should really target the agressively 4080 at 600-800. I'd be happy if they manage to do that.
"Beyond impressive... how much Nvidia continues to miss"
When I learned that the 2x raster and 4x ray tracing performance gains were with dlss performance enabled I went from thinking it was a small value increase to thinking it's terrible value. Of course the benchmark reviews will give a definitive answer to all of this.
am so happy I got the 3080 2 months ago.
I was almost sure the 40 series would be 20 series launch V2 ;)
Remember when an x70 card would roughly match the previous generation’s best at ~$499? Yeah we’ve got that here for more than double.
And they obviously knew that if they were to call the 12GB variant a 4070 with that insane price tag, the backlash would be immensely higher. Nonetheless, I think the majority of us can see it for what it is. Looking forward to RDNA 3 a lot more now. Fingers crossed they can continue staying competitive.
wait until when somebody figures out how to get DLSS3 on the 3090Ti and shatter nvidia's graph performance comparison to equal the 40 series, they gon be mad as hell & we gon be laughing our ass off. btw what are gigabyte, msi, asus, & zotac prices???
they already do it with CPU, hopefully AMD will nail it with their GPUs now :)
Don't forget there is no founders version for the 4080 12 gb. Pricing will be >$1000 USD.
remember when the flagship was 499 and actualy the 100 die?
Unfortunately people will still buy these cards even if they are shocked at the price.
I think Nvidia saw the aftermarket and decided to just keep the scalper profits for themselves and scalp at MSRP
This is exactly what happened. Not a surprise, saw it coming.
Yeah, but this isn't 2021 and have you seen anyone scalping the 30 series lately. The 30 series is overstocked and on sale for the higher end. Nvidia is tone deaf or simply do not want to sell the 40 series till they get rid of the 30 series
lol, love the video image. Great information as usual. I’m actually surprised 3000 series has the optical flow hardware but it’s not good enough for DLSS 3.0.
Im sticking with my 3080 for the time being, 40XX prices are insane...
Why wouldn't you stick with a 3080 anyway? its a great card. This sounds like you're justifying to yourself why you shouldn't buy a 4000 series card, and then will go and do it anyway because you need to have the best stuff, like 90% of this comment section.
@@germanmade1219 exactly. 3080 is more than capable still and it seems like people just want the latest and greatest. It's the same situation with phones. Such degeneracy..
I think we should all make an effort and refer to the 4080 12gb as the 4070.
The 12gb model is not a cut down version of the 16gb. These totally different chips are made on completely different wafers and have very little in common.
I know Nvidia are trying to copy Apple in a lot of ways and they are achieving this. Alienating your entire customer base with blatant price gouging is certainly an Apple move so Jen has succeded in his goal.
If you actually ignore the names and just look at the memory bus then the new 4090 is actually the replacement for the 3080.
P.s. I bet all the reviewers are being strong armed into reviewing these cards in a certain way. Nv will be trying to force them to only test with DLSS 3 and RT.
Copium
Except the l2 cache on the 4090 is 19.2 times more than 3080...
And people will buy these! And Nvidia knows it...
Well, Nvidia has already tried and failed to "guide" Hardware Unboxed's editorial direction, so I'll trust them to test properly.
Wait the 4090 is more like the 3080 in terms of specs?
Here in Europe, an RTX 4080 12 Gb, ehm, sorry, I mean a fake RTX 4080, which means an RTX 4070, costs more than 1100€. Thank you Nvidia. You made me interested in AMD more than ever. Well done!
And wait until your power bill comes in!
Thanks for your commentary. I always enjoy it.
The 4090 is cheaper than I was expecting. The rest is a lot more expensive than anyone guessed. After getting away with charging people over $2500 at retail for 3090s, I would have expected $1999 for the 4090. That AD104 RTX 4080 12gb is just a plain scam at this point.
Those aren’t mrsp prices 😂
You are falling into the trap
It's a classic "Starbucks move", they are trying to up sell you a 4090, it's the same thing as a small coffee for $5 and large coffee for $6.50. The bigger coffee looks like a "better deal", but in reality, you are poorer and with more diabetes. Absolutely the same thing here.
Agreed. I think most people predicted $1, 800.
In Germany they listed the 4090 with 2000€
Dont worry ngreedia is saving that $1999 price(maybe even more) for the 4090ti :)
Well I had no plans to update anytime soon, but hearing this prices and how shady they are with the 4080 12gb, which we all know is a 4070, just leaves such a sour taste in my mouth.
I know people will buy these cards, but I don't see how they will be successful compared to the overall market. People are already either bled dry from mining/scalping prices and people who have held out held out for a super disappointing annoucement today.
Also Tim I completely disagree with your take the "the name doesn't matter" and you even acknowledge the issue with the 4080 12gb and 4080 16gb naming. The naming does matter as it's not just about price tiers it's about product segmentation. We all know the 4080 12gb is really a 4070 so to see a $900 price tag is absurd and lesser informed buyers will be tricked into a 4080 12gb like you even acknowledge.
Announcements like this make me happy when I look at my PC and see a Rx6700xt in it. I dont need nor want top shelf, but this card already preforms within reason to a 3070 at much less cost!
Hope AMD continues to be power efficient and the better financial purchase.
Little confused about the pci-e 5.0 requirements. If I buy a 4090 it comes with the cable adapter needed and that’s it? Will my Z590 and 11900k work with it? Or do I need to get a Z690 and 12th Gen CPU also?
Also is a 1000w EVGA P2 enough power for a 4090, 11900k, Z590 Aorus Master, 32GB ram, 980 pro SSD 2TB?
It's really clear that the 40 series is being launched at these prices so they don't compete with new 30 series cards, especially given the rumors that they have warehouses still full of 30 series dies. This would also make sense with when Nvidia tried to cancel their silicon order with TSMC earlier this year for 40 series dies.
So they were just sitting on a giant surplus whilst the world was still dealing with GPU supply shortages? Lmao, what a bunch of greedy bastards, guess they weren't expecting the crypto crash.
JayzTwoCents also highlighted how the Nvidia CEO has said they are manipulating the price of the 30 series cards to keep them as high as possible to make the huge price of the 40 series cards to seem like a fair deal.
Why not just delay the 4000 series
@@rphilipsgeekery4589 My thoughts exactly, they could have delayed the 4000 series until next year. But NVIDIA won't do that when they can fleece their customers instead. This arrogance from NVIDIA won't stop until we as consumers stand up to them and vote with our wallets.
@@SekiberiusWelkesh etherium going proof of stake completel fucked nvidia, and i think its deserved, they deliberately did these shady deals and thought nobody would notice
The performance of the 12GB 4080 vs the 3090 is actually somewhat troubling, it seems slower in rasterised games and the apparent RT performance isn't a grand leap either. With an MSRP of $900 vs how much you can get 3090s for even now, much less how much cheaper they'll be in the coming months, it just doesn't seem like a good buy.
It isn't a good buy simply because is a 4070... A 900 usd 4070 rebadged to 4080 by greedvidia
I think the 12GB model was originally going to be the 4070 (Ti?) model but nVidia decided to call it a 4080 so it could charge more, not just for the 70 model but to justify the even bigger jump for the 16GB 80 version and allow them to keep the price of the rest 3000 series high except the 3090.
Historically xx70 cards typically match the xx80 of the prior gen.
It would make sense that the 407- I mean 4080* 12GB will likely trade blows in raster at least with the 3080.
The 4080 12GB should be equal in raster performance to a 3090. But it will be faster in RT performance natively. And then there is DLSS 3 that would make it WAY faster than 3090 since it will be limited to DLSS 2.
That said, yes, the 12GB version is too costly. But a direct comparison between both in performance and in future. 4080 12GB is better. Because of RT and DLSS 3. Those 2 things tip the scale.
When you play a game with DLSS 3 on that 4080 you will have maybe TWICE the performance of the 3090 doing DLSS 2. So any DLSS 3 game will make the 4080 cards miles better.
It seems it all hangs on DLSS 3 going forward.
We don't have any benchmarks yet, how then can you conclude that it's slower in rasterization than previous generation.
Just because it has less SM does not mean everything, the IPC improvements could be substantial gen over gen this time over.
It would only take average IPC improvment of 30% gen on gen over 2 years to make 60SM equal to 80SM of 3090, nothing out of ordinary to what we are used to.
Then if they had substantial increase, node improvments, cache improvements, tensor conres improvments, we may see it wiping out 3090 in Ray Tracing.
If I am buying a 3090 or 4080 12GB class card, then you should not only look at Raster, Ray Tracing is already here today, it's not new gen.
They can make the best hardware and state of the art features but at the end of the day if the prices are too high and company shows such little respect for their customers then backfire seems inevitable. Also love you guys intro music.
I'm buying Nvidia - just look at the new Intel and AMD platforms. They want RTX 4090 prices for their top tier products (CPU+MOBO+DDR5.) Except Nvidia is providing double and triple digit performance increases, where Intel and AMD give you single digit performance increases. AMD and Intel will get the backfire. Nvidia is the product to buy this upgrade cycle.
Would be great to see you compare price/performance on a scatter plot like TechReport used to
Price/performance has the 4090 as the value card, LOL... Well until you start factoring in the electrical costs over the life of the card.
Cost per transistor hasn't dropped, so they need to go high on the power for higher clocks. AMD's 7950 uses more power than Intel now.
I personally plan on getting an AMD card for the next GPU I need, I am not going to reward Nvidia for being gigantic jerks for this long. Honestly the last thing that was keeping me from jumping ship entirely earlier was EVGA, and now that they are done with Nvidia, I think I am too.
It's definitely going to be very interesting to see what AMD has got on offer, for hopefully less ridiculous pricing 🤔
What was so good about EVGA?
I have never in 25 years gone with an AMD CPU and GPU combo. This will be the year.
You'll sure show them by spending your money on a worse card and announcing it to anonymous people online.
@Smurf Mafia Im running an i-5 8600k with a GTX1080 Reference and DDR3 Ram. I can really feel the need for an upgrade now. I wanted to upgrade back in Nov.2020, but we all know how that evolved.
We've gone so far back. Things really started looking up with Maxwell and idk what happened. Oh right, doubling down on proprietary tech. When they say PC gaming is dead, this is why and how it happened.
Who says PC gaming is dead? It's probabaly the biggest it's ever been.
People always say something is dead when it’s at its most popular.
@@jonny555333 with Proprietary tech and storefront exclusivity, it is no better than consoles.
@@jonny555333 markets. Low sales. Bad remakes. Low quality ports. Just a general downward trend in the entire PC market. As prices go up, people don't join the hobby.
@@ZackSNetwork direct from Gartner: "Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Experienced the Sharpest Decline in Nine Years in Second Quarter of 2022"
Hey, what camera and lens do you guys use to film? Always looks gorgeous!
I would say this is the best video and content that I’ve seen regarding the RTX 40 series.
Nvidia left a hole the size of Jupiter for Intel and AMD to exploit.
Just one issue: both suck at developing high end hardware.
@@FlopFan69 both? Amd offered best performance gpu(6950xt) for money
@@tangledearphones5512 "Best for money" =/= High end
@@Shendue alright, best raw performance with better power efficiency.
4080 12gb is a 4070 on everything but name... and price, 900 dollars, wtf?!
Just pay a little bit more and get an 3090 instead. Double the VRAM, maybe only slightly slower performance?
@@Hardeleiar 3090 consumes way too much wattage for me.
Remember when new hardware came out that was more powerful than last gen for lower or equivalent TDP and for the same price point? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
They had to add the 900 usd 4070 to cover the fact that a xx80 card is 1200 now and prices only go up.
Disappointed with four things..
1. Unreasonably high prices
2. Renaming 4070
3. Weak performance growth in classic resterization (4080)
4. Lack of DLSS 3.0 support in RTX 3000
In fact, 4090 is the only card worthy of attention compared to the previous generation.
I was going to buy 4080 16G to replace 3080, but now I'll probably wait.
Lack of PCIe 5.0 and DP 2.0 too, hard pass.
Nvidia doing everyone dirty again with their gouging, especially with them holding features hostage away from other capable cards unless you pay Jensen's ransom.
So would you look at getting a 3080ti/3090 or 6950x for a discount now, or waiting for the 4K series to hit stores
6:55
There is a smoke behind the card 😂
Nvidia did the same thing with the 1060 3GB vs 6GB. It wasn't just the memory difference, but the 3GB also had fewer cores. According to Userbenchmark it was only about 12% slower though (except in CSGO where it's 27% slower).
it's confusing marketing so it's a bad one for the customer and a good one for nvidia I guess:/ they could have called it 4070 or 4080 light to be clear but they want to hide the fack that they are pumping as much cash as they possibly can from their customers
Except that was a sub $200 card.
1060 3gb was my first card and it worked overtime for 5 years
At this rate i hope AMD & Intel bring the out the big guns against Nvidia
Sadly AMD is going 1st gen MCM while means tons of bugs.
Not Intel 😂
Power draw is insane too imo we need more efficiency not just more frames
I think Moore's Law is Dead made a good take saying that these are cards that were designed and finished up during at the height of the mining boom. As such the cost-to-price reflect such, especially if you saw what the 12GB 3080's "MSRP" was. Of course, we know what happened when crypto and mining crashed. This is truly a line of products that was made behind the current times.
I have never been so excited about an amd launch since seeing Nvidias
RTX 4090 is real impressive, to me
(except for the ridiculous price)
RTX 4080 is disappointing,
got cut down too much, terrible price.
RTX 4080 uses a different die, a smaller chip, it's supposed to be much cheaper because of the higher yield and more chips per silicon wafer. But they sell it at $899 and it's not much faster than 3090. The 4080 12G only has 7680 CUDA cores, the performance gain is mostly from the higher clock 😒
Nvidia get used to the inflated price for too long,
they think they can sell these at any price🙄
Oh, they can. That's the point. Nearly every comment here is bitching about the price, but I doubt very much it will do anything to Nvidia's bottom line.
If the general populace had any sense, it'd be nearly December before anyone even thought about buying a new GPU. First you wait to see what AMD has, then you wait to see them benchmarked because the marketing is a scam.
That won't happen. Remotely. Why wouldn't Nvidia jack the prices like this? Moreover, there's nothing to stop AMD from doing the same if they're roughly equivalent in raw raster and general Ray Tracing performance.
So as someone with a 1070 in my PC right now, is getting any of these cards worth over some 3000 series card? I need a new PC anyways since mine is more than 6 years old and parts are starting to fail, but idk about paying $4k for a PC with a 4090 or closer to $3000 with a 4080 16GB. Only thing that would tempt me to get a 4090 aside from an earlier launch is that I am trying to get into neural net projects and this would be nuts for that
7:43 Looking at the notes at the bottom it really makes me wander how much of the increased frames are from the DLSS Frame Insertion vs actual performance increase. I really hate how Nvidia did all the charts with all different variables throughout their announcement
I would suggest people voting with their wallets. Nvidias price hiking and business practices shouldn't be rewarded. Also, when you think about it, is there really any games out there that truly push modern hardware? I mean, I have a "meager" 6600XT. A 1080p-card, yet, with balanced settings (high/medium) in Cyberpunk at 1440p with the FSR 2.1 mod set to Quality, I get 90-120fps (!!!). This is one of the most demanding games out there, yet it runs like a high-refreshrate game at what ultimately is a very sharp 1440p image. I honestly think we would all benefit if we didn't throw our hard earned money blindly at big tech companies with lousy and predatory business practices.
And if people stopped buying expensive cars then Ferrari's would get cheaper, I mean theres no need to own a car that can go 200km as the speed limit is the same. But people like Shinny Shinny, and bragging rights, and FOMO, and just want the newest thing so people will buy it and all companies will keep selling it. Just how upset people are at the prices shows how much they want the shiny because as you say there is no real need (out side some limited use cases) to upgrade
Im just glad to see people finally sick of Nvidias BS, this should've happened all the way back during Turing so we could still have G̶o̶o̶d̶ Acceptable 200$ GPUs, but better late than never
Also with how accurate the Nvidia leaks ended up being, AMD is going to rip and tear at them this generation, decimating in the 6 and 7 class market in particular
AMD are just going to do the same tbf.
Which is tiny minority of people. AMD can have killer gpu, sell them cheaper than nvidia and yet majority of consumer out there will be picking nvidia regardless.
the 1650 right? xx50 series card msrp is going up the roof
1050 : 109
1650 : 159
3050 : 259
4050 : 300-50
@@arenzricodexd4409 yeah tho, tbh as a 3d artist I got no other choice than Nvidia, they're just better with Blender
@@arenzricodexd4409 Not entirely true. The number of nvidiots is actually the minority, and most people decide based on their financial circumstance. Turing sold poorly, because it was overpriced shit. That's why Ampere's MSRP was much more competitive (except for 3090). Crypto was of course an anomaly. Nvidia is in for a rough awakening, at least here in Europe, because Europeans right now don't give a rat's ass about a rebranded 4070 for 1,100+ euros.
Is power consumption in GPU's linear due to processing load or more 'flat'? This impacts not only power consumption and costs but also the heating and cooling of the room the GPU is being used in. 400W in a well insulated room is a lot of heat - especially if the PC is just idling away doing web browsing and writing for 'half a day'.
What I want to see if future founders edition cards are to be fully liquid cooled AIO 240 radiator, while keeping 2-2.5 slot form factor with blower fan. For this, I would rather use Titan RTX cooler design as parent case and replace one of the fans with AIO for 50 series
So in one image they say that the 4080 is 2-4X times faster than the 3080 ti, then in their own slides later it's 2x just in one game while below 2x in the other two. Nvidia really has a good opinion of their public audience.
Went the whole presentation without revealing anything substantive about pure raster performance. Smh.
Even if it’s almost 2x the performance, it’s still impressive
Yea the 4X i think was for Ray tracing mode on if i'm not mistaken.
That's cap it's around 2-4 times faster with raytracing on the 4090 will be 30-40 percent faster compared to the 3090
@@ponli7532 The 4090 is not 4x faster with raytracing. They get that number from using Dlss3 and that stupid ai frame interpolation.
Here in the UK, most 3080 (10GB mind you) are £750 - £800 still, at retail. And, curiously enough, 12GB models are almost exactly the same price. TI's are more like £900+
As much as I hate to say it, a £900 (UK pricing doesn't stand a chance of being a lower number than USD) 4080 *cough* -4070- should force the prices down.
Although, only to where they 'should' be: a 3080 for ~£600 with the various uprated flavours heading up towards £700 - 750.
Would have been nice to score a 3070 for less than that two years ago...
I'm so confused on what to do (also in the UK) I got a 3070 as a stopgap before the next gen cards and now that the fake 4080 is probably going to be selling for £1000 ( with partner cards) I don't know if I should just pickup a second hand 3080ti or hope that the new AMD cards actually has a good option around the £700ish mark.
The 12gb 3080 was £690 a few weeks ago from the ebuyer ebay store with a code. The 3080ti was £729 on sale from Laptops direct a while ago too. Deals are coming regularly you just need to pay attention. I actually bought one of the £729 3080tis but returned it as I found a used 3090 for £650 instead.
So, that whole DLSS 3 frame insertion thing. Qualcomm had released something like this a year ago or so, to be used with the Oculus/Meta Quest 2 when wirelessly streaming VR/AR from a PC called ASW (Asynchronous Spacewarp), that does a very similar thing with a tiny mobile chip. Sure, there is a huge possibility that this is going to be a waaay better execution, but they didn't invent the idea, and shouldn't get the credit for something soooo revolutionary. Glad it's there though!
Oh, and I forgot, it's also capable of taking natively Quest 2 ran games and DOUBLE the framerate of those games! Taking a game that would need to run at 45hz to be smooth and look good and ASW doubles that to 90hz... which is sooo much better for VR. All with a tiny ass mobile chip. The fact that DLSS 3 is locked to 40series... is f'ing bogus!!!
Just echoing an idea I've already heard from someone else. This all seems designed to move remaining 3000 series cards. Seems like I remember something similar happening with the 2000 series.
I'm really glad I bought the rtx 3080 2 months ago for $600 ( second hand for 1 month ) still feel like I'm on next gen 😂
I'm not very convinced about the AI-based frame interpolation. It's done in realtime with the aim of increasing performance, however, current ahead-of-time solutions for upping frames doesn't work that well either. Very skeptical how well it would work apart from some cinematic scenes... But then it doesn't make sense for nvidia to release something that bad and putting emphasis on it either... Maybe it's going to be actually impressive when it works? Or maybe another DLSS 1.0?
Sounds a lot like a tech with its true purpose being to show a 4x increase of fps in enabled games. If it's inserting artificial frames at a higher rate than the cpu could handle, what is the benefit of those extra frames, if no new information is sent from the cpu?
yeah all of the demos the motion was in one direction. Assuming it wont look good in fast paced games at least not until it gets more updates. But there might be levels that render more % of the frame so that the prediction is better
I'm expecting it to not actually be worthwhile until 5000 series cards.
It should work well in presentation, assuming any image jitter is very minor, but it *might* also add 1 frame of delay to the processing chain...
Meaning it will look smoother, but the input delay either stays the same in the best-case-scenario (no competitive advantage), or it actually adds input delay despite running smoother, which sort of defeats the purpose except for non-competitive or casual games, where the improved immersion of the faked framerate is worth the cost of the input delay.
"Current ahead of time solutions" do not have Nvidia's solution. So, you cannot compare them.
Nvidia and AI is far ahead many others.
We will have to see analysis about it from HWunboxed etc.
Can we get a video in the future calculating the power cost for an average gamer between 3k series and 4k series. I wonder if the performance vs cost also outweighs in the long term.
The only thing that is not clear here, are they predicting inputs as well?!
I think that input lag will be even worse because interpolation always looks at next frames, so we most likely have larger frame queue. Because DLSS (and FSR for that matter) are not really any better then properly adjusted TAA+sharpening+upscale quality (all issues inherited), I do not see interpolation as a good thing...
And probably the marketeer that thought up calling the '4070' a 4080 12gb is considered a genius internally by Nvidia execs.
There is a special place in hell for such kind of people...
Hopefully AMD comes to the table with better pricing and efficiency and bring better competition to the market. I will stick with my RTX 2080 for the time being as there is no reason to fork out ludacris amounts of cash for more fps if my current GPU does fine in games. If you have the 30 series cards, stick with it and let NVIDIA feel the burn in not selling their new GPU's. I shall miss EVGA though.
AMD will only have slightly better prices... -$100. Remember the 6900xt.
Surprisingly, "ludacris amounts" works as a description. 😂
Sadly they don't care about gamers anymore. Look at the presentation, only 3 minutes about graphics card, and 1.5 hour about metaverse, omniverse, AI, robotics, etc...
I'm super bummed out about EVGA too, but Nvidia decided they didn't need to treat their partners with respect and essentially spat in everyone's face who wasn't a miner or scalper. The 3080ti will be the end of the road for me with Nvidia. 40 series and any other subsequent series after from Nvidia should probably be avoided.
AMD had the same problem as nvidia, too much supply of previous gen and they don’t want to lower the price. They’re going to follow suit and make next gen overpriced in hopes of making previous gen look more appealing.
Another thought on why a 70 class would be renamed 80 class. NVIDIA has been criticized the last few generations for calling a mobile GPU 80 class when it's roughly equivalent to a desktop 70 performance. Now when Nvidia calls this generation mobile line an 80 class unit, it will compare to the 4080 12 gb desktop unit, and that's what they'll likely compare it to in marketing.
Never heard that intro track before! ;)
When the 4080 12gb is 56% of the price of a 4090 but only has 47% of the CUDA cores, when the budget line is more expensive than the high-end you might be in some artificial price hike just to make it seam like a deal,just like popcorns at a movie
Love you guys. You're the first I've seen of anyone mention that the frame insertion headline feature of DLSS 3.0 basically being the same as motion smoothing tech that's been in tv's for at least a decade. It's not exciting and is being leant on heavily when nvidia are making performance claims.
I mean motion smoothing is a lot more basic, at least Nvidia should be engine integrated, able to use motion vectors and other image data to do more effective frame manipulation
@@Tcatracing We don't really know how the frame insertion of DLSS 3.0 will work, but good motion smoothing does everything you mentioned. At the moment I don't really understand how a game engine can work with a frame it doesn't know exists so there's hopefully going to be a lot of detail coming about it.
MEMC i think, also MEMC works wonders. Shows feel like 60 fps even much older shows so I think Nvidia may just be invincible at this point.
TVs don't make a new frame for motion smoothing they insert a extra black frame between each frame
@@PcGamingForFun still the end result should be pretty much the same as we don't see every frame as well we just have a sensation of overall smoothning.
It sounds like DLSS 3 is basically just the same thing as frame interpolation as used for video, which people already tend to shun (for good reason, I think). If it just extrapolates the motion of previous frames without having any of the new information from an actual new frame, I don't really see what it adds to anything, except perhaps showcasing a high-refresh monitor and winning naïve FPS benchmarks.
Thank you for taking your time to actually do some research and wait a little longer with the video. Most of the other channels just repeat what nvidia said in the announcement, Digital Foundry is making straight up ads for 4000 series.
This is the first time i see the "benchmark" graphic that include "todays games" in a video. Its super important
4080 12 gb is the same tier as the 6700/6750 xt. Same 12 gb of memory, same 192-bit bus.
One is $400-450, another one is $1000(let's be real). Well, ok, thank you Nvidia for such a great offer.
Nvidia has DLSS 3.0
@@gamingdragon1356 dlss 3.0 seems a little iffy it's like motion handling on a tv where a the tv guessed the next frames
@@gamingdragon1356 It sounds like an awful feature. Interpolating extra frames that weren't actually rendered by the game is just an artificial frame rate increase. And it's hard to see at this point how it can possibly avoid adding input latency. Either you delay a frame to use it for interpolation, or you put out the next interpolated frame before the next real frame, which would mean you're displaying fiction at the edges of sudden transitions.
I think the 4080 12gb must bebased on the Linda Lovelace arc instead of Ada.
Since you are throating a 70 class card that used to be between 350-500 bucks for a paltry 899 now.
You win, that was perfect analysis
Can you guys assist some chart with power/performance comparison - don't remember if you made such a think (apart from chart with power cons for every tested gpu) I just think that we should compare how efficient new GPU are not only because of buing cost but also because of using it.
TL;DR so what should we buy ? 4080 12Gb or wait for 4070? I have a 970 SLI setup that has served me well these last 8 years. Ready to upgrade - but want the most bang for the buck.