COVERT Narcissists: Everything you need to know (Part 1/3)
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With covert narcissist it feels like you can help them, like there is something beautiful underneath. But there isnât.
There truly isn't ,they are cruel people deep down
So on point
Amen.
Wow thatâs spot on.
Nobody is evil to their core, least of all a covert narcissist.. not that one should try to stay in a relationship with one of these people to try to "fix" them. They need professional help. But their disorder is a false self defense, they haven't developed their actual personality, whatever it might be, which is why they seem so empty.
I think a lot of covert narcissists like to portray themselves as gentle and empathetic, while looking melancholy. "Poor me! I care so much for others, but I've had it so rough."
Spot on! Yes! My dad is like that and so were a few exes. With my last relationship, I thought I was in a relationship with a nice guy but the red flags shone through quickly. He played the victim to a hilt and blamed his family for everything and had a lot of seething anger and resentment. I write professionally for a living and I also have a college degree in journalism. He worked in a trade and never finished college. He disliked his writing classes and would often criticize and tell me that writing was stupid...despite the fact that I was a professional writer and love writing. He also would criticize and pushed people's buttons at work on purpose. I find it funny that he criticized his coworkers for being idiot thugs who mistreated women...and he ended up doing the same thing and took the coward's way out by dumping me by text then blew me off and never heard from him. Luckily, he did me a favor. He moved to a different state to get together with his ex wife who I found out he was still married to. Yeah she can have him--she must be just as insecure and needy as him to take him back and he's the one who left her! Good riddance!! Covert narcs are very toxic energy vampires!!
Therese Pope OMG itâs as if youâre describing MY ex! I was sooo hurt when I realized I have to leave him or heâll take me down with him, isolate me from my loved ones. Now though Iâm SO relieved and happy. Donât blame the ex now current wife, she probably has her issues and heâs capable of manipulating her. I have a friend like that. Sheâs been with an abusif husband and keeps going back to him. I really care for her and she is a really good friend, but I had to accept that I canât help her because she refused all the help due to fear of being alone.
It is pretty upsetting when you realize you are a sucker for this manipulative charm. I've resigned myself to just prejudge all charming vulnerable people now because otherwise I will be blindsided again and again and again.
Yes! Eoređ
I was messed over by one of these ex-girlfriend female types that I met on Facebook back in 2014 studying me phase love bombing same music interests led up to a relationship then got personal since we were long distance visiting every year state-to-state total 5 years like the soulmate twin flame stuff she played acting all sweet loving shy always posting pictures on Facebook of her son and mom and how much shes proud and misses her mom repetitively from passing away since they don't have Empathy or Praise For Others being covert narcissist .looking back you now realize it's bogus just a daily 24/7 routine for Empathy Supply .I realize this is all for just narcissistic Supply and victim Fuel we were close up till this year in February never came across my mind she was a psycho-narc till the cold breakup disengagement and yes these are not your normal type of breakups they're narcissistic flip the script personality change childish shocking to yourself with the blocking me changeing number like I never existed then I backtracked and researched all this crap always look for the love bombing the little rages the smirks angry to happy smiley faces always do your narc credentials in the beginning red flags!! I know it's a sad mental illness and their sweet faces will haunt you forever but these people should take be taken out of society Force intervention or the mental Hospital
Repeat it with me: depression does not MAKE you become an abuser.
It can absolutely lead to abuse. Unstable moods, unpredictable behaviors, negative talk, putting others down to bring them down to how you feel. Many people with depression can't do some things for themselves and often start to demand help from others without the ability to express gratitude or be a positive support back to that person. Every person that I know who was abusive, suffered from mental illness, including depression. Not all people who have depression abuse others but it is common
â@@tashyam7736 but they're choosing that and that's not okay. Don't use mental illness as an excuse. đ
@@tashyam7736can vs will....you CAN become that from anything. But like she said, it doesn't mean that you WILL!
I got Depression I abuse my Gfs
Usually having been abused makes you an abuser
The most painful to me is when people make statements like "there's nothing like a mother's love" and claim anyone who doesn't respect their mother is simply a bad person.
I know. So ignorant and uncaring.
That comes from a place of what a mothers love is supposed to be like. Sadly, many of us didnât have it or we wouldnât be watching these videos. But I am still thankful that there are good mothers out there who truly are selfless, giving and loving people. We deserved it but didnât get it. Now itâs time to grow from it and never repeat her mistakes.
I totally agree with you.
In South Asian culture mothers are considered another form of God so you can imagine the outrage if you so much as suggest that your own mother could be flawed... It's a suffocating experience to be raised by a narc mom.
This is the most dangerous type. The cool, calm and quiet ones, then they strike and are nastier than any other. Controlling, verbally abusive and play mind games all the time until you are broken and your self esteem is crap. Oh and donât forget the sarcasm and back handed compliments that bite
I know exactly what you talking about. Especially the self esteem part.
exactly â€ïž
Iâm 7 years in and 2 kids. I have no idea who I am anymore. I have no zero self esteem, heâs verbally abusive, passive aggressive, just down right mean. She has just described my life and our entire social life, which has completely non existent. I have no motivation , Iâm depressed, Iâm lonely, Iâm confused and now heâs telling me that Iâm mentally unwell and need to be medicated. I have no idea what to do!
i totally hear you. After I got passed the 5 years of abuse where I was mistreated so badly emotionally that I had actually believed that I was broken and garbage, I started to wake UP and then I learned about narcissism. the rest is history. they are disgusting, sick people, to treat others so cruel. the worst part is, they do it slowly so that you don't notice its happening until its too late. run!
Wowwww youâre exactly right
"They never take those risks, but mock those who do"
That's 100%
Also would try and avoid opening door unless its a delivery person.
@@springBloomsinAwe my ex-boyfriend would refuse to get food delivery when it was his time to get it. Such a piece of s**t
Once he realizes he upset me he goes oh Im the bad guy victimizes himself when I call him out Threatens to end his life to scare me or love bombs me or ignores me which is a trigger he knows
That sounds like a guy at work. Ever since I started riding my motorcycle at work, I heard from another coworker that he was criticizing my riding ability, even though the guy doesn't even ride motorcycles.
I dont pretend to be some professional motorcycle rider. In fact, I know there is plenty of people that ride better than me. I also know my limits of my skill, and what I feel comfortable doing and what I don't. I put in the effort to learn to ride as well as I do now. It did irritate me at first, but now, I realize it was just jealousy coming from his narcissism.
I think the guy got a little butt hurt too that completely ignored him about him knowing how to ride.
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A covert narcissist may respond in a variety of ways when discovered, depending on the particular circumstance and the person. When their behavior is criticized, a covert narcissist may occasionally become aggressive or defensive and reject or abdicate responsibility for their actions. They might try to gaslight the person who exposed them by getting them to doubt their own sense of truth or perspective. Narcissists frequently employ this strategy to keep control of the relationship. In other situations, a covert narcissist could act more violently or aggressively in an effort to retake control or establish dominance. They could try to control or intimidate the person who has exposed them, or they might lash out with abusive language or actions. A covert narcissist may also retreat or isolate themselves if their actual nature is discovered. They might make an effort to separate themselves from the person who exposed them or try to avoid any sort of conflict. Being masters of manipulation, narcissistic people frequently possess a special ability for charm, which allows them to get away with manipulating others. They might be able to beguile people into believing they are not actually narcissists and convince them that they are to blame. The process of exposing a covert narcissist may be extremely taxing and even dangerous, so itâs vital to keep that in mind. Itâs crucial to exercise prudence and have a solid support network in place, including friends, family, and a therapist. You can process your experience and develop a strategy for dealing with the circumstance in a secure and healthy manner with the aid of a therapist or counselor. Additionally I hired a private detective Barryinvestigation@gmail. com. Once I knew what the narc was up to, it got easier to get over that lying, cheating, sack of doo doo, loser. I didnât need closure from the narc, I paid for it. Best money I EVER spent!
Hot tip, when you come across the covert types they will warn you themselves that things will not end well with them without realising they're telling on themselves. When they openly tell you that EVERY romantic partner they've dated 'just left', 'abondanded', 'ran away and ghosted' or one day just kicked them to the kerb for 'no apparent reason' that's your cue to exit slowly and quietly. If different people from different walks of life flee from this person, you will end up finding out why the hard way like the last ones did.
Oh my god. That is exactly what happened!
yoo crazy it was like with my experience too! And with all their pitty, i end up feeling bad for him, what a waste
Lol happened to me
@@mulderitsmee 180 literally
No not always the case. I've talked to my therapist about this. Some people are just unlucky and haven't found the right person...sincerely someone who has been rejected by 13 people in 2 years including by someone who lovebombed me and discarded me within a week and another person who stuck a loaded gun to my head and stole my money. You can't just assume that that person is the problem. So are you going to just blame every single lonely and alone person out there who doesn't have it easy making friends (because I in particular have gotten reassurance from therapists that I'm not a narcissist I have autism...)
The covert narcissists are the ones you gotta watch out for. They fool you deeply with their calm, needy, vulnerable demeanor - then suddenly they turn 180 and flip into a classic textbook narcissistic monster that they truly are.
TRUTH
Ouch, that hurt! Also true
@N R I have been fooled a few times by the same man.
calm, needy, vulnerable... but has a complete other side to the personality... yep that sounds about right.
My grandmother literally said âIâm scared I canât start that car to keep the battery going m. Come to the city every week to start it for meâ.
Me: Iâm not coming to the city weekly to click a peddle.
Her: *starts telling people I abandoned her*.
Victims of narcissists tend to be beaten down so much that they themselves display symptoms of the narcissist. Anti -social, fearful, not motivated, constantly apologizing, angry and dont know why, not confident etc.
Wow!!Description is to a TTTT!!
Yes,I struggle with this. I have cptsd from my narcissist parent and I sometimes wonder if I am the monster now, not my ex that I'm skeptical about having narcissism. Idk... đ
Wish me luck đ€
Wish me luck đ€
I don't say these things however I sometimes think like that...am I a narcissits. ...
This video made me cry. I didn't even realize the own signs in myself and didn't even realize the path of destruction I created in my life and all the people ive taken for granted and used because of my own insecurities and shortcomings. I never wanted to be like this. I want to heal so badly from my trauma and I deeply thank you for giving me the wakeup call and awareness I needed to hear
This was extremely eye opening for me as well..I destroyed my marriage with these very behaviors...now how do i heal from this and change to be better??
I'm in the same place. I'm trying to heal so I can be a better person and actually enjoy life. I have hurt people and am only lucky a few stayed around after the way I've treated them. Every article and video feels so negative though and I'm also confused on how to get help. I'm not a victim anymore, so how do I heal and get out of this pattern? I hope you heal too
Same here
Dont worry guys narsasstic dude here to help you. Personally I started to just laugh at myself when my narcissism wants to show. When ever i start thinking I'm the greatest of all time i just laugh and make fun of myself for thinking like that. With other people though ita hard to get them back. If you love something let it go. However if you really are diffrent people will notice the change and the new people in your life are the key to helping the old people from your life realizing their finally has been change. If they never want to come back they won't. Don't worry about it, just apologize for real and move on.
â@@reginaldmurphy5052 just start acutally chnaging your behavior. Like for me i realized that ladies are people and how dudes treat them is kinda bad. However i for some reason thought i could engange in the same behavior but in a non toxic way. There is no way to be untoxicaly toxic. So I decided Im not even going to try to go after any women. No matter how pretty i think she is. Im just gonna for a lady to say " I pick you " and im just gonna watch out for the green and red flags.
My mother is a covert narcissist. She was a teacher for 40 years and on the outside, functioned like Mother Theresa. But to me, she would NEVER EVER accept responsibility for her behaviors and toxicity. She inserted herself into my finances as well as other people's lives and liked to tell them how to live their lives. Mainly, she NEVER accepts her part in an argument or disagreement. It is NEVER her. Thank you for a great video. Very enlightening.
You captured my mum perfectly
Mother Theresa was an awful person herself! I just saw a video about her on CZcams.
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Same. My mom is a covert narc and weaponizes all personal information. LOVES sticking her nose in everybody's finances. Will lie and gossip about people's finances. They are SO weird about money. Transactional relationships. Has always used men for money. Plays the victim yet is a bully. Projects her own flaws and insecurities onto other people. Gaslights. Manipulates. Poor self-awareness. No ability to reflect on how her toxic behavior affects other people. If anyone reacts negatively to her their reaction is weaponized against them. Thrives off drama and gossip. Disparages people behind their backs. She's sick.
@tenningale I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. My mom didn't use men for money. But she controlled the money when she and my dad were married. Over my life she's used money as a heavy heavy hand. And I recently inherited my dad's money as his only living child. And I feel the seething on the underside. She ignores me now, interrupts me at the drop of a hat, and points out the most minor of things. Yet if you do the exact same thing to her, you're a horrible person. She recently told me I'm a very hard person to live with. It sent me into confusion because if my own mother thinks that, am I hard to live with for other people? It's the confusion the narcissist sends you into that makes them tick. Oh did I mention SHE IS NEVER,EVER WRONG? EVER. I hope you heal.
They dismiss everything you say.They are always right.
Truuuuueeeeeeee
All narcs do that tho
virgo sign females ...... spot on.... jus like my ex wife....
This is it.
Ugh.. SO ANNOYING
"They dismiss the opinion and knowledge of other people". That is so exact.
Jade Sam Alley Zain I canât even count the number of times my mom has said psychologists, doctors, or anyone more knowledgeable than her donât know what theyâre talking about. If she is ever called out on her âcorrectâ ways of parenting and we try to say things have changed in the last 30 years, oh no, sheâs not having it. Because she is the one who knows all. And if something has been proven to no longer be affective, then in her sick mind, that is like saying she did it âwrong.â And we all know how narcissistic people LOVE being wrong.
My parents had a medical reference book. Every time I would talk to them about health issues (diagnosed and treated by a doctor!!) they would look it up and then announce whether or not they agreed with the diagnosis and/or treatment.
They would jump on any opportunity to contradict or counterpoint anything about the situation.
@@meeklet these kind of people make me seethe. As a professional, it makes my job harder.
Sooo true !
And this is how mine is dying with cancer.
For me, the covert narcissist comes across as a people pleaser. They like to be in the spotlight to get the validation that they crave for, as other narcissists but at the same time, they pretend to be humble, simple, generous, over giving. The covert narcissist will take time to build a relationship/friendship with you. During this period, they will show their admiration and their devotion by helping you with everything that is you need. They will try to convince you that you are soulmates and that they understand you deeply. At the same time, you will see them being overly altruistic, maybe helping society by engaging in charities, activism. They feed the poor, take care of the homeless. All this makes you think how lucky you are for having met such a beautiful soul. You want to be by their side for ever. However, soon you notice how much they enjoy being invited in galas to talk about their achievements. But they donât admit that. They still play the humble guy who doesnât want all this. Who is beyond money, beyond fame and recognition, who wants to share the floor with other people. But their acts donât match their words. You come to realise that this selfless soul is actually doing whatever it takes to be in the centre of attention. When you do something together be it at work or at home, they want to control everything about it. They just exerce their control in a more polite and implicit way, making you believe that your voice was heard whereas in reality you did what they wanted you to do. Covert narcissists have a smooth way of leading you on. They donât shout, they donât give orders. They are master actors. They convince you that you are together in this. What makes them a narcissist is that when the time comes for them to use you in order to draw certain benefits, they will do it without a second thought and you are not going to believe in your eyes. And when you stand up for yourself and raise your voice against them calling them for their phony identity, then you will see their rage for the first time and the mask will fall. Covert narcissists manipulate less with rage/exhibiting superiority and more with people pleasing behaviour/playing the eternal victim. They are not aggressive as overt narcissists. They are more cunning. What they both have in common is self-centered ness and lack of empathy. In the case of coverts, it will take you longer to find out.They knew what they wanted to get out of you from the beginning. They created a whole theatre play to fool you about who they are and their true motives. You will trust them with all your heart but when the time comes for them to prove their loyalty by choosing your bond over their personal gain, they will choose the latter with no remorse, without even taking any responsibility. Unlike the overt narcissist, they will have an eloquent excuse for doing so, rationalizing why they had to f@ck you over. They will pretend to be sorry about it because this is something that matches the image of modesty that they want to project but in reality they are not sorry at all. You will see them partying with your own money when they said they didnât have enough to pay you back. You will see them being unfair and untrustworthy to other people as well. When the mask of the victim will fall, you will see the cruel smile of a perpetrator who managed to get what they want without deserving it. If you decide to unmask them run for your life. Additionally, The unwavering support and dedication demonstrated by Metaspyhub@gmail. com have been pivotal in my journey to uncover the painful truth surrounding my partner's infidelity. From the moment I first reached out to them, their professionalism and unwavering commitment to assisting me in finding the answers I desperately sought were readily apparent and highly commendable. Through their swift action and meticulous investigation, They presented me with compelling evidence that left no room for doubt. Armed with this newfound knowledge, I confronted my cheating partner with newfound courage, reclaiming my self-worth and paving the way for a future filled with renewed hope. Throughout this emotionally challenging process, Metaspyhub's expertise and unwavering support served as a constant source of strength, offering invaluable guidance and empathetic understanding when I needed it the most. I am profoundly grateful for their unwavering assistance, as it has empowered me to move forward with unwavering determination and newfound resilience.
This is it
So on point!
I think youâre describing a sociopath.
I worked for a non-profit mission driven company run by people you have exactly described.
My wife is constantly seeking out validation and empathy and even considers herself an empath, but whenever I open up to her sheâs dismissive, and minimizes my feelings. Last night I even explicitly asked for some empathy about how difficult our relationship has become and she could not do it. She went out of her way to avoid doing it, usually a long pause followed by going back to talking about herself. The low self esteem, terribleness at social gatherings, passive aggression, victim mentality, and arrogance when with regards to her profession and child rearing, it all makes perfect sense.
The arrogance in his profession is what really opened my eyes to him being a covert. I've dated narcissists before but this one sure snuck up on me. Everything else can be justified or written off that I'm just overthinking things or whatever, but the arrogance and how he speaks about others was so off putting and very obvious that it's not normal to think that way about others/himself.
That's just like my mom with my dad. I watched her emotionally and physically abuse my dad for 30 years until he was so beaten down, he thought that was how all marriages were. More and more, he isolated away from her in his office every night to keep from spurring her wrath. And he's extroverted so he's not an "alone guy."
I'm so happy for him since they divorced. He finally has someone with love and empathy to give. My mom convinced herself my dad was having an affair and initiated the divorce. Welp, she got what she wanted. She's alone, miserable, and when I gather up the courage to talk to her, she only cares to complain or criticize. Her explosive unpredictable anger gives me severe panic attacks, so I avoid her at all costs for my own mental health.
You deserve better. â€
The ones who self-label as an empath are a red flag.
â@@jjberg83learnt the hard way or the victim everyone has been evil to them their whole life
Sounds 100 percent like my husband
My covert N is everybodyâs favorite at a party (if he does go) kind, talkative, and charming but heâs a whole different person at home. Nobody would ever believe me
I relate. My mom is so wonderful to everyone else. Sweet. Harmless. Dealt a tough hand. But the reality that no one else knows is sheâs a terrible, terrible person. So me going no-contact makes me a selfish, awful daughter to all those who donât know what I know.
I fully understand that
I believe you đž
@@godzillamanstreb524 thank you
Mine too. Thats the only part of this Covert N profile that doesn't fit... which has me doubting myself that he really is.... but he is. The whole world is conspiring against him, He never got given a chance, hes smarter than everyone and cant be bothered to work a regular job like a pleb, deeply jealous of my sucess, never takes responsibility for his choices, its always someone elses fault etc etc. Its almost as if he can put on the mask of the grandiose N from time to time, or can almost go back and forth depending on how his life is going. But can be VERY charming and outgoing also.
A covert narcissist can create such a toxic environment and then blame the toxicity on everybody else. Make everybody else miserable (critical, complaining, angry, contemptuous) and then play the victim. Mistreat everybody in their path and then claim to be the victim.
So true
Man you hit the nail on the head
totally agree, this is my sister through and through. Many years of calling both my parents evil, blaming them for her life issues, not getting her way, wrecking and abusing me at family events, putting me in danger with comments relating to my personal life in public places like weddings, creating a trail of destruction with substance misuse, blaming me for being 'perfect' and gaslighting me and my partner for years. I ended this relationship 2 months ago after 48 years and never felt better. I have health issues as result which are now starting to improve. I am no longer feeling guilty for not helping her. There can be life after ending such toxic relationships especially with a sibling.
Wow accurate description of a former friend
YESSSSS
I feel like most narcissists are this type. They are professional victims. Can't rise above, jealous of people who succeed, dismiss your achievements. The truth is some of us work harder and take risks instead of partying or watching tv. Miserable and drag others down. Everything is unfair and the odds are always stacked against them because of this, that, and the other thing.
My mom was a master at lowering my self esteem and keeping me guessing on what kind of mood I would get from her. Covert narcissists are great at making you think everyone is using you because youâre too generous and thereâs no way they would want to be around you otherwise. Insults on your looks, placing the blame on you when youâre saying how they hurt you and making you think youâve misheard what theyâve said.
I am so sorry for what you have been through đđđ. I get YOU đ„°. I suffered EXACTLY the same at the hands of my 'covert' narcissistic mother, older sister and twin brother (older brother has narcissistic traits too).
Now I know WHY I was so sad, anxious and depressed, so confused and so lacking in confidence living within my family from the earliest age.
I also felt SO different to everyone else đđđ. Now I know WHY. I WASN'T imagining it. I WAS different! Thoughts, Prayers and A Big Bear Hug. You are Loved! đđđđ.
omg that is dead on my narc started giving me many compliments, then love bombed me then talked about my tummy and gives the silent treatment when i don't do what he says on demand
I went through the same horrible experience. My mother spent all my childhood and young adulthood living vicariously through me. Fortunately, I loved studying, in fact she only wanted me to study because that was what she wasn't allowed to do in her youth (that's not my fault). But on the other hand, she was totally clueless and inept regarding emotions so I could never talk about what and how I felt about anything, neither to her nor to my father, whose role was just as a money provider to raise me and nothing else. My mother never allowed me any privacy and always blamed me for not having friends. I guess my Asperger was caused by her narcissism. I am 46 now and I just want to keep her emotionally as far as possible from me. I will never again try to argue with her about anything. It only drains my energy. She's toxic and it's exhausting. But now I know.
@@elsaaforges Same. Another covert narc trait is they view kids as extensions of themselves and live vicariously through them. I had to put on a facade that I was becoming a doctor (her childhood goal she didnât achieve) just to appease her narcissism and avoid her anger. I quietly pursued my own goals, which she made snide comments about. Both treats me as the golden child when it makes her look good, yet trashes and lies about me to other people to feed her narcissistic supply.
You can feel their rage under the surface like you said Dr Ramani. Itâs like being in the room with a coiled up snake, tense
Yes. I can feel it build. Even if theres no physical manifestations of the tension. I can literally feel it and then I start going into fight or flight.
Exactly đŻ
Yes.... this is exactly how it feels... before you are aware... itâs like being caught in a spider web and not understanding why you feel metaphorically trapped and after you gain enough clarity to have enough understanding to identify that you have been manipulated & deceived... the spider become the snake đ
Great description
This is such a good description.
10 years, married. 10 years miserable.
7 years, asleep. 7 years almost gave up.
3 years, awake. 3 years healing. 3 years growing. 3 years LESS miserable. 3 years becoming ME!!!
But before 3 MORE years... Gone. âïž
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đ YAASSS Girl! đ
Good for you, mine was so similar! It takes so long to undo all the damage they cause but it's worth it, we're worth it! It's all such a mind f***, they're truly evil to do this to good people. Stay strong, we're all more resilient than we thought we were! đ
@@The.Collective.Objective. YES!!!đ
@@crystaljean522 Thank you! And congratulations to you, too. It has been amazing finding out how tough we actually are!
I have a female friend who comes off like this. She's not obvious with her traits, but she comes off like she's empathic, and she's not. She's extremely passive-aggressive and goes out of her way to disrespect people who are more educated or successful on certain subjects than she is. She is extremely sensitive to any kind of criticism and will not co-operate even if its for the betterment of a group because she doesn't like "being told what to do".
All I know is if you get an off feeling when youâre around them and you leave the situation feeling put down and kind of icky, itâs hard to explain, then theyâre not people you want to be around, Iâve tried so hard to come around to my extended family and it just never happens, im over it
@katelynkivela6529 I did get that feeling, so I simply distanced myself. She calls me a lot but I really don't answer. I know if I try to explain what she does that bothers me, she'll just deny a gaslight, so I just ignore.
I always felt bad for her and honestly believed in the beginning âwow, this person has such a sad lifeâ blindly thinking I could âsaveâ them. Only to end up almost losing so much of myself to please and boost their low self esteem! Itâs been a toxic cycle of gaslighting and manipulation that Iâm the bad person, the depressing person, the friend who doesnât âprioritizeâ them. Personally I believe they are the worst and most dangerous narcissist you can ever encounter in lifeđ€·đœââïž
Holy cow you described my spouse to a t.
I agree. Because they are not easy to spot, not at first. They drain and depress you and then rage at you. Freaks.
Absolutely yes sweetheart đ you can save us. By the way, are you still available â€ïž I'm a covert and honestly y'all never find out unless if I have to tell you. Take care đ
@@dritanstojanovic4576 WTF!!
Sameeeeee brother same happened with me
When they aren't getting the reaction they want then they lash out on you with accusations and intimidation.
Yep exactly right
They defy logic, They will turn a conversation inside out just to make you angry, So they get the attention from you...
Supposedly mentalization based therapy can help these individuals be more aware of emotional states of others and improve their behavior.
they are full of seething rage
@@MichaelDHockenberry noticed that with my spouse long ago. It will definitely make you crazy
"Never argue with an idiot. Those watching won't be able to tell tell the difference."
- the story of my life
Oh, my god, that was a good laugh. Thanks.
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It's baffling to watch them act like the smartest person in the room as I sit thinking this is stupidest person I've ever met. Can he really be this dumb. He's a GM and so you'd expect he could comprehend but they can't. What I have to say just plain doesn't matter to him so he just doesnt hear me .
OMG that is a good quote
Also because they, "will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Mark twain
My dad was a covert narcissist. Dr Ramani hit the nail on the head: my family of course knew there was something deeply wrong with him but we werenât sure what exactly it was. We always thought he had anger management issues and alcohol dependence. But it was so much more than that. He was a painfully mediocre person and I think he couldnât accept it so he judged the entire world harshly, assumed the worst about people including his own wife and kids, was so smug and thought his shit didnât stink, and would fly off the handle at the slightest hint of criticism. We treated him like a king, but outside of us he was a loser with no social skills and no friends. He was an adult child and we had to manage his temper tantrums like a toddler. He sulked like a 5 year old when he didnât get his way or if we said something he didnât like. Where he got the idea that he should be admired and respected by the world without doing a single thing to earn it is beyond me. Oh and we canât forget the two-faced persona: the friendly, smiling, funny, helpful face in public but as soon as the cameras turned off he would morph back into the sulky temperamental monster he really was. I can count on one hand how many times I saw him smile or laugh with us. A covert narcissist in a nutshell.
Sounds exactly like my ex husband unfortunately.. It took me years to figure it out. Thank God I got myself and my kids out of that house.. we are doing amazing now but I feel sorry for my kids who have a deadbeat narcissist for a âfatherâ.
This is my husband. These are non human entities with no real personality or identity. They have to punish the ones closest to them for their own misery.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us!!! My family and I just released our shackles with my deeply covertly narcissistic father, and now at 22 years of age I am able to move on in full faith and confidence, knowing exactly how Iâd like our life to be and knowing what exactly I need to stay away from!!! I plan to guide others wisely on their unique own paths, during the process⊠I still love my father, but the world must understand what is really out there!!! Thank you once again, and I wish you great peace and eternal satisfaction with your current networks and all of your future circumstances!!!âš
You are very good explaining them â€
My mother is such a pity-party victimizer. And when I was growing up we argued about everything, and I was always blamed. She often gaslighted me by saying that she wanted to give me self-esteem but on the other hand was always criticizing me and putting me down. As for passive-agressiveness? My mother is a queen. She also expected me, a child, to take care of her emotionally. I always thought it was me, but now Iâm realizing it was her, a covert narcissist.
sounds exactly like my childhood
How did you know about my mother??
Same here, she had me wearing, thinking feeling doing what she wanted. She doesn't value who I am rather whom she wants me to be. She wanted an enmeshed mini me
Covert narcs can come across as sweet, timid, shy and humble, even. The arrogance is there, it's just harder to spot. Sometimes it's apparant in terms of what they value (e.g. they will value a "popular" friend, who will boost their social status, over a genuine kind-hearted friend. They will seek out a "hot" partner, who will look good on their arm, rather than a partner who has good character etc)
Any person who cannot be used to boost their ego, is easily disposable in their eyes. And they literally have NO remorse or guilt when they dispose others. It doesn't matter how "close" you were to them, they will cut you off heartlessly once they have no use for you.
Be very, very careful around these people. Their timid nature will make you put your guard down without you even realising. Classic wolf in sheep's clothing
Exactly my situation with the X
Passive aggressive people. Very dangerous. They're usually set in their ways and lack personality. They're most likely to borrow money and ask for lots of favours...Then once they're done with you, contempt for you sets in.
The "oh poor me" types who feel they've been cheated in life, never
accepting they won't never be famous. Sad to watch.
Kalala Kapay i know someone with the traits that she mentioned in video, but he cares about others, and looks very empathetic, he is very good listener. There is a chance that he is just passive -aggressive person and not covert narcissist?
bay leaf my god you are so right!! My younger sister is a covert narc. She also has classic middle child syndrome. But she seeks out friends and boyfriends exactly how you described. Itâs interesting, most of my adult life I didnât know she is a narc. But I was constantly confused by what was wrong with her so to speak. I care for her deeply and Iâd say we do try to have a decent relationship because weâve been through a lot coming from an abusive childhood...but man I gotta be honest. If we werenât sisters, weâd NEVER be friends. I appreciate you sharing đ
This is the one Iâve been waiting for. These people are infuriating and soul crushing and hardly anyone can even see it.
Jenny Marti,hope you are not with a narcissist!
True
Just realized it after 5 years of covert abuse đ I can finally see the future
I was in a relationship with one for 5 years so better later than never!!!
@@ccm791 i am similar to yourself. have escaped and have a degree in knowledge about these behaviours that no university could teach me, so it made me a more understanding person for anyone going through similar. ( that is what I remind myself of if I catch myself going over the what ifs)
Am I the only one who has had about 90% narcissists and abusers in their life?
I mostly cleared them out, but wow!!! Amazing how they smell a victim from a mile away.
I also, keep meeting new ones and gravitate naturally to them. However now I notice it fast and move on.
What a journey when u grow up in an abusive family.
I am very happy in my own company!!! đčđ one day I will partner in a healthy free relationship.
same sis, happy for us!!!
I agree. I grew up in an abusive family and my mother was a covert narcissist who hated me. It is amazing how people can sniff out victims
No me too. Literally both parents my aunt who i live with now and past relationships. Itâs so tough because when itâs all your around it literally makes it so hard to not feel like the problem is you
Late 30s and finally made the connection that I had a narcissistic mom who thankfully died when I was young so no more damage from her.
Though because of her every long term relationship had the same type of energy in women. So itâs never too late to make the connection and make change.
Samee here ...I'm able to recognize them quickly now
6:44 YES! Never satisfied, never content! Criticism, complaining, contempt, anger, dismissiveness, frustration. They complain about EVERYTHING. Itâs a miserable experience to be around, especially because they chronically view themselves as victims! Itâs very heavy and dark and morose. This is my mom. The passive aggressiveness and hyper-sensitivity felt like torture. She lashes out at how unfair the world is but when I would give advice it was just met with rage. Super hyper sensitive to any criticism. It was always âthe world is against meâ and filled with chronic arguing. She is so judgemental and everyone owes them.
I was married to this for 18 years. It's damaging beyond belief.
Beyond belief is spot on!
so sorry for your experience.
So true, also married to this 17 years, so Happy i got out.
Heather Wasserman it doesnât end when you walk away.
23 for me
My mother was a beloved preschool teacher for 25 years. Everyone thought she was just wonderful. If they knew how she treated her own children they wouldnât have let her in the door let alone work there.
I caught my covert mom kick a tub full of my homemade jewelry on my nest camera. She backed up and kicked it, then kicked again really hard. Itâs crazy what these people are capable of when they think nobody is looking. When I walked out my door,( before the kick⊠) she called me a bitch.
Teaching is a magnet for narcs. They love being the smartest person in the room with all the power. My mom was the same as yours. I know a lot of people with narc teachers for Moms. Not only would she treat me and my sister badly, she would brag about mistreating kids. My mom would tell me about putting some child in his place or yelling at her disabled students and be so proud of herself. I was horrified that she behaved this way to children.
Narcissistic teachers relish having the attention of little ones. They cant accept that its not the same with adults. And that they have to treat their own offspring with love and respect.
After retirement they still canât have a normal conversation. Their tone is always that of a bitter lecturer. They are always talking about wishing their own children cared about them, but all they want are people to talk AT. I feel so bad for the many customer service agents they hold hostage for an hour. And they have to go along with the shtick and agree and praise.
I can relate
Wow this resonates with our case of my grandmother who has been a teacher and treats one of her daughters atrociously, because we had to live with her, and praises the other. Now Iâm trying to understand if she is just evil, possessed, a narcissist or what type of an abuser.
the closest thing you'll get to an apology from a Narc is an accusation
Narcissistic personality disorder manifests from post traumatic conditions in childhood. Cluster b has sooo much intersections between overt/covert narcissism and borderline.
And there is some overlap with other conditions as well.
Is anyone else realizing they're completely surrounded by narcs?
Funny today I was thinking itâs like âwack-a-moleâ no offense to the mole. Maybe that game could use a name change... đđ
Hahaha, yes. It's been an eye opener, that's for sure.
Um, yeah.
OMG SAME. LEGIT IM STARTING TO BELIEVE IM PARANOID. SO SO WEIRD.. I REALISED, SILENTLY, THAT ALL MY FRIENDS ARE DATING A BUNCH OF NARCS and I can see it. One of them is three years in. She's been discarded and "hoovered" many time the last three years. Shes recently had an argument with him. New, having it experienced myself and healing from it, I told her nicely and firmly all I think the problem is.
She told him I'm looking too much into things and was DEFENDING HIS, CLEARLY , MANIPULATIVE THINGS SHE HAD DINET TO HER. SHES AT THE STAGE WHERE SHES EMPTY WITHOUT HIM. SHE NEEDS SERIOUS HELP, BUT I LIVE IN UK AND SHES IN ITALY...so so fucked up.
I was but went no contact for the last 4 years from everyone of them.
âsocially less skilledâ narcissist doesnât always mean theyâre awkward or shy. Itâs more meant to show that they arenât able to regulate themselves and they are presumptuous and contemptuous.
Exactly.
They can not handle themselves in any kind of confrontational setting. Hell, even a typical every day conversation will ooze with a 'everyone is out to get me' attitude!!!
I think she is speaking about most of, based from her experiences and studies, she is also speaking about the covert narcissist and not necessarily all people with Narcissistic personality disorder
@@kittenmitten7360 my covert friend sincerely thinks the guy at Home Depot mixed her paint incorrectly on purpose. She does like to hang out with groups, but then criticizes everyone in them. But the only groups sheâll stick with are those with highly educated, well-travelled people. Nothing wrong with that on the surface. But she will not stick with groups of people she dee,s socially below her, even if that has nothing to do with the purpose of the group.
As an empath Iâm crying. This has been the last 3 years of my life. I had no idea this was a thing. He did tell me all of these sad stories about him very early on in our relationship. I was so happy because I felt I was put into his life to help him and show him true love. I recently broke things off with him. I struggled with it for months. I finally was able to see him for who he truly was, and I was simply added to the long list of people who has abandoned him. It really struck a cord with me when you said âat least heâs not cheatingâ that was the only thing he wasnât doing. Not good enough. These people are very subtly evil. If you blink too fast, youâll miss it. Thank you so much for these videos!
I was there now 2 years and Dr. Ramani. I am a NARC DEFLECTOR and I call them out on the first date. No more hurt or toxic relationship for me. I choose my peace âźïž then be with any narcissist again
same... but he did cheat a loot :P
Poor baby, I feel empathy for you right now. You deserve better
You are a kind and beautiful soul
@@Pinkpilatesprincesss aww, donât feel empathy. The things that I have learned about myself as a result of this relationship has changed me for the better. Things I struggled with like boundaries, people pleasing, and having too much empathy for others to my detriment, in every aspect of my life. I no longer struggle with anymore as a result of this relationship. I understand that people are where they are and they have the power to change that, not me. I have power to fix, help, and save myself. I donât think this relationship happened to me, I feel it happened for me. This was a transformative for me. Sometimes I forget that, and I get angry, but the person I was before I met him, I can never be her again. Iâm sorry she went through that, but she needed it.
They have only cognitive empathy. This means they are fastidious about doing and saying things that indicate they have concern for you. Unlike many grandiose narcissists, a covert narcissist has a cognitive understanding of how people behave when they have concern for others. But when the chips are down in your life, such as you are the victim of a crime, you are very sick, or you lose your job, the covert narcissist is chilly, abandoning, and just âdoesnât get it.â They may blame you for your misfortune. The covert narcissist canât summon any of the normal ways of caring in these moments. In these ways, they reveal themselves to have no emotional empathy. Depending on how long it takes for you to experience such incidents, you could go for years not realizing that your partner is a narcissist. They may literally turn their back on you, over seemingly trivial matters. This is a trait they share with grandiose narcissists. Maybe they get annoyed that youâre walking too slow and leave you alone while they rush ahead, or they get impatient with what youâre saying and turn around while youâre in mid-sentence, or maybe youâre a little late for a social function that youâre attending as a couple, only to find them already inside as if they werenât at the event with you. They probably appear charming and competent to those who donât live with them. A covert narcissistâs constant striving for perfection often results in a set of traits that most of us (who are not obsessed with perfection) admire, as long as we donât get too close to the narcissist. This makes explaining the upside-down hall of mirrors that is your shared intimate space with the covert narcissist impossible to explain to those outside the relationship, who will assume you are either exaggerating, or that your relationship skills are lacking. The covert narcissist may be a pillar of the community, or has lofty, well thought-out ideals. The striving for perfection of a covert narcissist often results in associating themselves with highly regarded intellectuals, businesspeople, or other such pillars of the community, such that the covert narcissist appears to be a pillar of the community themselves. Additionally, covert narcissists can identify with a vision of societal utopia, and become a zealot about their particular ideals, whether liberal or conservative. The covert narcissist is surprisingly lazy. Despite their lofty ideals or connections, the covert narcissist often does little to no work to actually earn the respect of people in the community through their actions. Their ideals or connections are a facade they choose instead of real effort and commitment. They can be sexually faithful. Unlike grandiose narcissists, who are often sexually unfaithful, covert narcissists can be sexually faithful for fear of their reputation being damaged, or out of sheer laziness or shyness, not out of an emotional commitment to their partner. This can be confusing to the neurotypical partner, who sees the faithfulness as a sign of love, making the erroneous assumption that the covert narcissist has emotional empathy, and therefore the capacity to love. They have a Jekyll and Hyde personality, often raging, or finding fault with you, in private as a way of relieving their own inner shame at not being perfect. This is another trait that coverts share with grandiose narcissists. It feels like you have a partner whoâs really a teenager, and that itâs your duty to shoulder the âsteadinessâ they need in the face of their criticisms and anger. The covert narcissist has absolutely no sense of humor about this behavior, meaning thereâs an unnecessary âheavinessâ in the relationship that leaves you walking on eggshells. Additionally, That feeling when your partner cheated and you don't have the courage to leave him / her so you just death with the pain and live everyday asking questions about your worth. This pain is different from the cheating one_living and seeing him everywhere anticipating when him or she do it again. The best thing is to hire a private investigator Metaspyhub@gmail. com to help you spy on their cellphone remotely just like he did for me...
The first half of this I could have written myself...about my now elderly mother. I'd add what ive noticed is they expect you to be grateful for 'ALL' they do whether you wanted what they do or not. They expect you to be a mind reader. My mother shows near zero emotion 90% of the time and never says how she feels ever then expects me to pick up on and understand her feelings. She can go from saccharine sweet ott to contemptuous disdainful and silent to needy all within the same time frame of a few hours depending on my responses. It's like a trap. She seeks out those who are in need to 'help' practically forcing help on them including me. Never listens. Very withdrawn. Full of criticism but doesn't validate. Wants me to be wjo she wants me to bto the point I became so confused as to who I am. Forces help but when asked for help doesn't want to know or is nasty about it. Like you said incapable of emotional empathy and is always the one who is wronged because they 'try so hard and people aren't grateful' scenario. I feel the walking on eggshells with them as you never know what's going on under the surface...... â
@@bereal6590 omg! i feel like my exes son will go through this once he gets older. My ex is like your mom in so many ways and like they said above its like no one believes what you say Or they think youâre exaggerating who these people are. No! They are really like this! Itâs scary. Like Iâm finally awake for the first time ever. A covert is far more darker than an overt narcissist. đ i cried everyday being with my ex for almost two months straight, the last two months before i broke up with her. She had me thinking i was the problem, that i ruined us, and that maybe i didnât know how to communicate And be a healthy partner, she said i wasted her time and she was right about meâŠ.but she flirted with her ex because she âdidnât feel secure in the relationshipâ wowâŠsmh. but i see it all clearly now. Sucks I loved this person. So naĂŻve đąđą
Empath: "YES, I finally got my _dream_ job. I'm SO excited."
Overt Narcissist: "And? You're acting like the CEO. Relax. It's _just_ a job!"
Covert Narcissist: "Oh wow, nice. But why did you take _that_ job?"
Covert narcissist: that job doesn't *that* great. Isn't it tedious?
They're Such dream killers!
I don't know why these videos are so different from your recent material, but I can't watch these. It starts turning into narc doublespeak. Is there any way you could do this topic again from the new angle you're using now? I need something to clear the cognitive dissonance right now, not reinforce. You may be my only hope for this, too. You know that, I'm sure.
Counter Narcissist: "You know what they say, 'one man's trash is another man's treasure.' They also say that 'not all that glitters is gold'..."
*Looks them directly in the eye when saying the second sentence.
Thatâs my mom, ughhh
âThe type to sit at home, sullen and depressed and mock those who take chances, but never take chances themselvesâ my god, you hit the nail on the head. My past two ex-boyfriends. They tried to destroy me. NEVER AGAIN.
Same here, if I ever get love bombed again I'm ducking for cover.
This just explained my 18 year marriage and why I was with him. Unbelievable. This is making me feel lhave never actually known love.
18 years too. I feel like my entire married life has been a lie.
@@lisawinland7023 40 years for me. I am almost 60 and will go to my grave in shock about my life 18 to 58! đșđâïžâ€ïž
Me too! Spent my life from 20 to 48 with one. When I filed for divorce I felt miserable but I couldnât say why.
18 years here. God.
The grandiose narcissist was easy to figure out, but the covert one took me a while to figure out. This video hits the nail on the head!! đ€
I knew my mind was being fucked with but couldnât put it into words. Watching these videos literally pulled the words out of my mouth. Itâs so nice to hear Iâm not alone and not crazy but itâs also hard realizing Iâve been played.
Stay strong .
Donât worry! When you meet the many narcissists in this world, you WONâT be fooled again. You are now prepared to protect yourself and space and mind. You have an advantage over these sick people.
†i think is the saddest part. I see his photos (I Keep only 2 just to make this test) and what I see is a snake, sorry for who loves snakesđ đ. The tears are for myself. For believing in him more than in my gut. I betrayed myself. This is the hard part for me now..forgive myself †Keep going ....we'll be fine
It's taken me 19 years because I was sick with Chronic Lyme Disease. Now that I'm getting healthier I finally am able to put it together. I'm getting out but am waiting for my low income apartment. It's time for me at 64 years old!
Omg I'm just realizing I'm not crazy I'm really not my god my heart hurts so bad he's been making me feel so crazy he's been fucking with me I've begged and begged for it to stop almost taking my life bc I don't wanna live if I'm this crazy... My god he is the devil and Im trying to run.... Please send positive vibes...
They donât start out acting this way. In fact they are an entirely different person in the beginning. Yes, you will learn about their past and be saddened and horrified by what happened to them, but as you become closer they begin to store info on your life and eventually use it against you. Even years after youâve left you can still feel badly for them.
In the beginning they are love bombing you, after they know they haved hooked you then the true person shows up and you are left wondering where the other person went.
This is so true and real. I found myself thinking "how cruel to make someone fall in love with somone that does not exist... it feels like murder"
Relatable. You still feel bad for them it's an incredibly tough task to leave one. Knowing they had a bad history. You feel like staying and helping and but it's too bloody much. It sucks the life out of you.
But omg this video is nearly spot on
likely the "feeling bad" for them is fabricated and their life is likely a complete and utter lie.
Seeing this video both scares me and helps me to realize just how far I've come in healing my own covert narcissism. I'm so glad I got a hold of myself and worked through this stuff because I was on a very bad path.
Proud of youuuâ€â€â€
I wonât give you validation as youâre probably over that part of the style but I do send you a warm hug and wish you well! â€
@@manueladimova2459 This is the most thoughtful and insightful response I've received, and I greatly appreciate it! I wish you well too in your walk of life! :)
I just identified this in myself. Could you tell me how you did it or are doing it? Did you also seek therapy?
@@anonymousbee Absolutely! Your self-awareness is the first, but arguably the most important, step. And I want to recognize the courage it takes to do that, because we have so much shame surrounding our authenticity. So I want you to know I'm proud of you, because this isn't easy, and even recognizing it in yourself is the beginning of your journey to healing.
So I'll start backwards. No, I didn't seek therapy for three reasons: 1) I find that therapists struggle with personality disorders and often deem them untreatable (and for good reason), 2) I didn't want someone putting thoughts in my head or words in my mouth, and 3) I wasn't allowed to seek any therapy that wasn't based in a Baptist church. I was still living at home, where my narcissistic, paranoid mother was constantly up my ass about whatever stupid thing about me she was paranoid about, and I would've been grilled about where I'd been. My dad tried to intervene where he could, but he was only one person. I didn't want to deal with all of that, so I did this on my own.
Where I started (which will likely be different for you, but hopefully with enough overlap to be relevant) was identifying that I didn't want to turn out like my mother, and this fueled me to undo every toxic behavior I displayed. If I noticed an action that was wrong, I would stop myself and ask myself why I did it. I developed the skill of introspection, and I began tracing the behaviors to emotions, and from emotions to trauma. I exhibited a tremendous amount of anger towards myself, so that exercise in itself was one of the most helpful that I put myself through.
What ultimately allowed me to heal was moving out and about 3 hours north so I could really start developing my own sense of self (narcissistic parents rob you of that). But even before that, I began really identifying which parts of me were me, and which parts weren't. It started as simply as my favorite colors and animals, and working up to my interests, my sexual orientation, my long-term goals, and my vocational aspirations. The bigger stuff really only came after I moved away because I didn't have my mom's influence over me all the time.
Presently, I allow myself to feel and don't shame myself for it the way my mom used to. When I first started allowing my emotions, it was like I couldn't turn them off, so I would make sure to be at home when I did any emotional work. This stabilized over time. I recognize emotions as gifts from God and part of being made in his image. I undid a world of trauma surrounding emotions, and this was easily the biggest part of healing. My empathy pathway resolved itself through this process.
I know this is a lot, and I apologize for the length of this response. I want to make sure you have tangible things to work with, so I'll call it here, but if you have any more questions, feel free to ask! I hope this helps! :)
Some of these things really hit home for me about my wife. One thing I remember very clearly, we went into a store to pick up some things for dinner, and we saw a woman who was the manager. Her name tag said she was proud to have worked for the store for 25 years. When we left, we got into the car and the whole drive home was a rant from my Unemployed For Years wife that she didn't understand how anybody could hold down a minimum wage job for 25 years without being ashamed of themselves. She still holds that opinion to this day, and is still unemployed. It boggles my mind.
Sticking it out for 25 years is impressive!
She donât know anything about perseverance đą
Had to hear someone rant about the same bs.. a job is a job ... the audacity people have. đ
The impulse to âfixâ and be a personâs âsaviorâ is that moth , to that flame. I wasnât even initially ever attracted to the person but the empath in me, wanted to help him ( I pitied him) gave him a chance..smh Iâm so glad Iâve gained so much knowledge from you and other sources itâs mentally helped me pick up the pieces from my past & I feel better every month that goes by -no contact.
Congratulations yess thatâs amazing to hear! I đŻ agree!! When my ex covert narc and I first started seeing each other we watched a bee fly around the house and then crawl up onto a lit candle, purposefully put itself into hot wax until it was on top the flame. I was so mind blown I must have stared at it for an hour: I had never seen that before...and he was belittling me the whole time for not helping the bee. But I guarantee from where I am now that it was a message of what I was doing to myself if I were to stay with him.... And the memory came back to me just this week thinking of the same analogy you used here... so I thought I would share. Stay blessed! Stay educated! Xo
Iâve learned not to date people I pity...say thatâs too bad and run the other way lol. Itâs weird to think that your base attraction to someone is because theyâre below you. Which opens up a bunch of questions about how you think of yourself, why you need to pride yourself on saving others instead of just being. It revealed that I was indeed the one in need of saving, I was projecting my insecurity..
I wasn't initially attracted to my husband either. Not physically. But emotionally we hit it off really quick, and I was so empathetic to his Broken Heart from his cheating first ex-wife. And his children who needed me so deeply. But I was stuck in a six-year marriage to him until his jealousy for my Independence and success drove him to cheat, discard, and a provoked smear campaign. Luckily since he has no social skills, only his one best friend, 2 narcissistic sisters, and a handful of people at work, were involved in that smear campaign. I'm so grateful for what I learned... And I learned that I don't want to save anybody but myself and my birth child! I also learned that I deserve, and will have an equal partnership relationship in the future! No more blinders on this gal!
Same, I wasnât attracted to him at first.
And you get so overwhelmed itâs exhausting!
"At least he's not cheating." --- He's cheating alright.
YES, my ex-wife had this righteous attitude whenever I questioned her about her whereabouts and seemed jealous of her. After the divorce (she left), I found phone records of unknown men she constantly talked to for the last 11years out of the 15 years we were together. The last affair was âwhat she called a online affairâ when she got into BDSM reading. How foolish was I.
@@mrleomich Hope you heal WTF â„ïžâ„ïž
You just described my life in the last 5 minutes of this video. I never in my wildest dreams thought he was narcissistic because I always picture the grandiose type, which he definitely is not. I knew he had anger issues, depression/anxiety and he was manipulative. Emotionally and verbally abusive. Yet I always felt sorry for him and would give him the benefit of the doubt for the kids sake đ and because I took the bait of guilt he always gave me. Watching this is heartbreaking yet empowering. Thank you so much. I ended our 11 yr relationship 4 days ago and I feel free and terrified at the same time. Iâm ready to take my power back. Finally
Good luck!!
Much Love and Much Luck. đđđđđ
Well done !!! đđđ
"At least he's not cheating on me," but then he finally did and that's what opened my eyes to his true nature.
My therapist asked me: isn't it exhausting to deal with someone who is always offended and defensive about everything you say?
That helped me to snap out of it.
Plus when she pointed out that he was always blaming me for everything to play the victim. Once you see it you can't unsee it.
I was someone who believes in self improvement so I was wondering where he might have been right not where he might have been wrong in his accusations.
But it gets silly when he in the same conversation blames me for everything and then accusing me for always blaming him just because I wanted him to change specific (verbally abusive) comminucation patterns so we could resolve issues. It opened my eyes that he is not capable of that.
I was always the bad guy, then somehow in the discard he makes it like I always made him the bad guy. I got whiplash trying to wrap my head around that one.
Once you see something you can't unseen it. Very wise words. Came too the same conclusion. Once you know something you can't unknow it. Hope you are well on the road to recovery. Good luck
Once you see it, you cant unsee it. Truer words never spoken...
@@evelynhoward8325 It is good to be awake!
Understanding how covert abuse plays out is key to preventing it from happening to you.
The abuser wants to trap you in an abuse cycle and keep you confused and second guessing everything.
That is how "you" stay stuck and that is also how you provide their narcissistic supply.
Do not let this happen!
Stay vigilant!
Have boundaries and self-worth because that keeps toxic people out!
Exact same story for me! So many confusing blamegames. I was eager for my own self improvement, he avoids doing his own (unless it's a show for instagram). Signing my divorce paperwork tomorrow!
NOW I realize! I was ALWAYS EXHAUSTED in her presence. She literally sucked the actual life out of me.
Also, she was HYPERSENSITIVE to the slightest of criticism or any kind of comment that may have been contrary to anything she may have said or done.
let me guess.... she on the other hand was not afraid of putting others down?
My mom!
YESSSS! I know right! That is exactly what it feels like.
The viciousness you speak about, I watch this in him all the time. Calling him out on his wrong doings brings out a somewhat deadly aggression.
I am two months moved out from my home FINALLY after 8 years, and still I have an obsession to accept that he is a narcissist. I can't believe that the man I once thought was perfect, hurt me in almost every way possible. I have no idea how someone can torture someone from days on end with the silent treatment and leaving me alone with the kids every single day leaving all the responsibility to me, and leaving me so lonely and isolated. He would leave me home and go over our friends house without us while everyone is there with their kids. So much pain. I hope to have peace one day jut I still dream of him.
Itâs like they can disassociate themselves as to not take responsibility or be accountable for the mess of hurt they have left behind them. Rather than fix it they bail and move on mentally and emotionally. It took me realizing that the emotional maturity is that of a 12 year old boy and how could I expect them to behave like an adult. Iâm sorry for your pain and I hope you know that his rejection does not define your value if anything it just means youâre too valuable to ever be appreciated by someone who doesnât deserve you â€
Mine was a hybrid. He was often petulant, angry and combative but he loved socializing. He could turn on the charm for others but would become argumentative on a dime especially with me.
Mine too.
Mine loved socializing as well. Always trying to steal the show at a party. If someone upstaged him - then he would criticize them to me for sympathy. Anytime we were around others he would overtalk me while slightly turning his back on me while speaking louder and louder... to drown me out, I guess.
Thats the typical behaviour...charming in public and sadistic behind closed doors
@@valeriehouse9283 thatâs not a covert, covertâs arenât social
@Laza Amafirin I said covert I said nothing about asocial.
It's horrible having a covert narcissist for a mother. I was always trying to help her, becoming her 'psychiatrist' as a child. Being around her is like drowning, it's made worse by the fact that her narcissism is so hard to detect.
Same here. đ©
drowning is so accurate
Yes!
Same here. She has always been a single mum and is on the extreme scale of covert narcissism.
@@ellechantel3822 I'm so sorry. My story is much the same. I hope you are able to heal from this.
Iâm an introverted narcissist. If youâd like to know more please read below.
First off I just want to say that if you have dealt with somebody like me Iâm very sorry. Iâm sure it sucks. Although IF IM BEING COMPLETELY honest, and if you listened to this video, no covert narcissist will feel bad about it. I simply donât have that empathy.
I will not have kids as I donât want to hurt anybody, nor have a long lasting relationship. Most likely anyways. The outlook is very grim. Anybody like me will probably hurt you and play the victim. As I have done.
I often blame my circumstances and play the victim. Iâm never satisfied with what I get.
Iâm over sensitive to criticism and donât listen to suggestions.
And lastly I will never feel happy for somebody when they do something well deserving of an accomplishment. I simply lack that empathy.
If you believe somebody is a covert narcissist recommend therapy. To somebody in their life circle. They will most likely blame everybody else and do nothing about it.
All of this video is true by the way.
At the very least Iâm aware of it and am undergoing therapy. I GENUINELY hope you donât encounter somebody like me. At least I think. But at this point I question that feeling. Itâs no fun. And Iâm sorry.
Much love,
Jack
Jack you are my hero for going deeper into you and recognizing this, you are being more empathic and this message is an example. God bless you forever!
@Madula Damn Iâm happy for you or sorry that happened
Jack, thank you very much for your comment, courage and dedication to work on yourself. It is indeed something we all could benefit from.
If you don't mind, besides therapy, is there anything one can do for a covert narcissist? To set them on the right path, to give them something to reflect upon. Anything really.
@@believers2012 no. It's bad for you. Do not engage.
I'm so sorry you feel like that about yourself. I hope you will realize you can be a better person.
you are LITERALLY changing my life right now. I can't believe how long I have gone without this knowledge.
I was in a relationship with someone like that for almost 2 years... I wanted to "save" him. I saw so much potential in him since the beginning, and I never lost hope that my love could heal him and make him better. But it didn't. Things just kept getting worse. I'm so glad that I found the strength to leave him. These videos were really helpful and still are, they remind me that I've made the right choice.
congrats hon! Im so sorry that you had to go through that to learn though. Keep going, don't let yourself get baited, it will get better!
hang in there bro
Me too đâ€ïž
Ugh, can relate. I'm such a rescuer, and I'm finally learning it's not my job to rescue people who don't appreciate it anyway.
How did you leave him ??? Iâm a guy also dating one and just found out a year and a half later ....he wants to go fuck other people I guess ... like Iâm not doing that ... apart of me wants to just block everything or I dk if I should do it person for dumping
20 years of being married to a covert has made me feel miserable and guilty for being a regular, happy person that I was. I am exhausted with what I have slowly turned into. I want to go home, to being who I always was.
I hear you. It's a long road, but keep going, you'll get there.
A I đWow, I know this feeling all to well. Itâs almost like they rob you of you
@@vikkipollard2638 đđthank you
@@cristyluv1205 thank you đđ
A1, very touching, you wanting to go home.
Now, see if I knew you Iâd want to come and give you a lift but youâll have to save yourself. đ
Thank you!!!!! Going through a divorce right now so grateful to be out. Still healing!!! Thank you
Ironic that the narcissist in my life won't even leave me alone long enough to watch this video. Thank you for being a lighthouse for me
Seems to me they swing back and forth to fulfill their evil needs. They enjoy playing people. But in the end they have played themselves.
Misty Lynn, I knew one who thought she was very clever, but every attempt to dupe others led her to shoot herself in the foot! It was almost humorous to watch it happen. It was a workplace experience. đ€Ș
Empath here. By the end of day ONE I knew all about his childhood pain, how he was abandoned by family and left homeless for years. I thought he just needed somebody to be there for him for once in his life. I learned It was never enough. Money, attention, sex, love , support. Never enough and the world was STILL out to get him. Managing his pain felt like I took on a 2nd job. I went from running on passion to running on patience. And then I was out of patience.
Literally same exactly this. And then he cheated on top of it because it wasnât enough đ Mfs are the worst
@@lucasessman1910 ya.. cheating like so common trail btwn narc
@@lucasessman1910 Same. Being an empath to a covert narcissist, I can't put on words but it was exhausting. He even told me that he was so depressed that's why he needed to talk to other girls then he cheated with this new girl.
@@nicolecubacub9157 I hope you can heal from all the things which you have encountered! I wish that you are provided with immense strength!
@@mahek3017 I just got no contact this January because it's just too much. Thank you, I needed this right now... đ„ș
I am so very grateful to Dr. Ramani for making this series on covert/vulnerable narcissists. It's like she knows my former best friend personally...my jaw actually dropped as I listened because the behaviors she described were so damn relatable. Their chronic victimhood, their sheer helplessness, their entitlement, their validation seeking, their passive aggressive comments, their sullenness when they weren't being pandered to or given special attention...all of it. Spending time with this kind of person is just so draining. In my case, I was subjected to a never-ending monologue about their personal problems and past traumas to the point that I frequently ran out of things to say. Looking back, I was a textbook enabler...she spent so much time complaining about all of the cartoon villains in her life, and any attempt to understand the "villain's" perspective was met with so much hostility that I eventually just stopped and took her word at face value. Meanwhile, if the topic shifted to someone else, she either redirected it back to herself or straight up checked out of the conversation. She was not interested in other people's lives AT ALL and yet could not understand why people didn't want to be around her.
If anyone reads this, know that it's okay to step away from the narcissist's quicksand of negativity, judgment, and self-absorption. Don't let yourself become an enabler like I did.
My most recent ex is most DEFINITELY a covert narcissist. He just left me and my son 6 days before Christmas. Now the love- bombing is trying to start to creep back in; but I'm staying strong and have been beyond blessed throughout these past couple days đ things are starting to fall into place. This video has given me some clarity. Thank you so so much â€ïž
I envy you, cause he went away himself! Itâs truly the blessing. Donât let him in again!! I did- itâs true that it doesnât work!!!!
One broke up with me in April. I'm thanking God.
Same...6y ago. After many years of not praying, i came to God exhausted, didnt know what to do...but then he called me (lg distant at that time), we chatted normally and i said smthg harmless of no consequence, but he was massively irritated and broke up w me. 3 weeks later he wanted to ger back but i said no. Thank GODđ„¶đđœđđœ
Good for you, mine just did the same and everyone is telling me how sorry they are for this having ended. I just grin and tell them it's a really good thing. I'm free and so much more aware of myself and dangerous types of people to be around. Hurts but I'm improving daily.
So blessed
Attention you, yeah you, the one who needs to hear this.
You do not have to attend every fight you have been invited to
Needed to see thisâŠthank you
Oh my! This resonates so hard with me! I'm that empath in a relationship with a covert narcissist. It's so clear now!
Me too. Your not alone
@@sheilawhite9040 I'm not with her anymore. I went no contact but also called her out on all of her dysfunctional behavior first. Made sure she knew that I knew about every deception and that I know exactly what she is now. She really has no words because I shined a light on everything she had tried to do. I know that psychologist say to never call out a narcissist for fear of even worse abuse but I disagree with that. I think we should speak every truth because the truth will set you free. Now don't do it if you think your narc will physically attack you or you have to have some kind of relationship because of kids or something but if you truly want to get these people out of your life then go ahead and tell them the business. It totally disarms them and as soon as you set a real, healthy boundary, they will most likely back off. They might try to love bomb you a little bit down the road but by then you would have time to heal and break that trauma bond cycle to be completely free. Also lose any hope that they'll change! This is key! They are never gonna be that person that they acted like in the beginning for real. It was all a lie! The sooner you realize this the sooner you can truly make the steps to break free from the abuse. Trust me I'm still having times that I feel bad for my narc and want to talk to her to give her love and compassion for her mental illness but I promise you that if you crack, it's gonna be a major mistake. That just gives them a door to start the process all over again. And everytime you go back after a discard, the abuse will only get ramped up! They are incapable of changing especially in a short period of time. I do think God can heal these people but they have to first admit that they're sick and face it, that is a complete farce! Just go no contact and pray for God to change their hearts and minds. That's all you can do. God bless you and I hope this helps you. đ
@@frankmurray222 there's no such thing as narcissistic or empath. or psychopath or anything...i think we should stop portraying others angels and demons. how many terms and divisions there will be?
@@name5876 idk why you think I'm a jerk. I made a truthful comment. It was a "eureka" moment. I had been dealing with a textbook narc and finally pin-pointed what she is.
Update: I called her out on everything, defining her behaviour to her. Of course she pulled back and got angry and I didn't talk to her for about a month but about a week ago she reached out and apologized. Now, this was a total blame shift apology because she blamed her mother and her last ex for all the abuse she endured, thus making her behave the way she did to me. She insisted that she isn't a narc and that it was a defense mechanism. Then she has just been kissing my ass while side stepping any blame about what she did to me and getting upset if I even bring it up. She says "that's in the past, and I'm looking into the future for us." I'm not taking her back tho. It's all bs, but she's so delusional that she believes her own lies and thinks I'll buy it. I took the opportunity of her vulnerability to share the gospel and tell her there is a way to get better through Jesus Christ. She didn't want to hear it and just kept that victim mask on and changed the subject multiple times. I ended up forgiving her but told her there's no way we can make it work. She's still not completely taking the hint sending me I love you and I miss you texts. Either she knows exactly what she is and what she's doing and it's all manipulation or she is extremely mentally ill to the point that she honestly believes the bs she's spews outta here mouth. Either way it's way too dysfunctional for me and I can't be anything to her but a friend. I'll gladly give her guidance to get real help but who knows if she'll take it seriously. I just want to help her so I'm definitely not a jerk
@@name5876 first of all how could you make an assessment of any thing that happened between us by how I refer to her? I only call her that here because I'm addressing my comments to other people that were abused by a narcissist, plus it's easier to text. Secondly, It's ironic that you say that I talk about her like my dog because that's literally how she has treated me. Like her own personal pet or her property. She thinks I'm hers and nobody elses, that's how envious she gets if my attention goes towards somebody else. I actually have supported her, and way more then I should. But I say right here and right now, no more! I'll only give her the tools and push her in the right direction but I'm not waiting around to see if she does it. That's between her and God.
Idk why you have so much sympathy for these people. I'm guessing you're one of them now. Either way I do have sympathy and I do care and that's the problem. It doesn't matter what I say or do to her because she already has her mind made up about me and she's gonna do what she does no matter what i say or do. I just pray that she wakes up and sees just how bad she is and tries to change for real this time tho.
I honestly can't believe I've had my fair (more like UNFAIR) share of both textbook grandiose narcissist and covert victim mindset narcissist. It's absolutely DRAINING. đ«đ«đ« Thank you again for all this information! đ
Their victimhood means âeverything is your fault!â
Resentful & always âhurtâ
Professional victims
Miserable people/ dump them!!
I went into therapy a few weeks back due to ongoing anxiety, depression, feelings of worthlessness and constant stress. After describing my relationship dynamics to my therapist he made me discover and realize that I have been in a relationship with a covert narcissist for a long time, this was quite the reveal to me. I went no-contact with my ex-partner a few days ago. Whenever I start feeling overwhelming guilt I come back to these video's and remind myself of that I am fighting to create and take back control over my own life again. To hopefully find back that sense of self-worth and self-respect. It is going to be a long journey, but it is so much worth it.
Hey! So proud of you for choosing you! How has it been for you since? And did he try to hoover or get you back with promised changed behavior?
After being with a covert narcissistâŠ. She nailed this. This was my life almost 8 years. Thank God Iâm out and thank God Iâm smarter this time around.
The Law Of Diminishing Returns.
The more you do the less you get back.
Learned this the hard way.
Absolutely!!
Yes the divine law
I was friends with a covert narcissist, when asked for empathy it really was like trying to bleed blood from a stone. And she loved to judge other people behind their backs; she would act sweet and shy to their faces but then turn to me snickering. The only time I saw glee in her was when she would make fun of someone's music tastes because only the music she liked was worth listening too. Someone's fashion choices because of course her choices were masterfully better. And don't even get me started on lunch time, "Oh, that's what you are going to eat?" Then when it came time to pay up, "Say let's go 50/50-" even though what she chose was more expensive and she got the soda and I would drink water. And when I had the gall to bring it up she would say, "Gee, sorry I know how bad you are with math." And I put up with it for a really long time. I would stop communicating with her and then she would somehow lure me back in. But, since her last judgemental lecture I have not spoken to her for about five years. I finally said that I think she is miserable and lonely and that I felt sorry for her and she never replied back afterwards. It was messed up. Keep your garden weed free; she was definitely a weed disguised as a flower.
Hang in there. Many things we think of as "weeds" were just plants planted in the wrong places. As long as she is far away from your life you shouldn't worry about such things. Five years is a long time to be stewing about something if you weren't at fault.
Snittykitty, thanks for sharing your story. Knowledge is power! đȘđŒ
No empathy! and it's so confusing, how can someone so seemingly emotional and sensitive have no empathy.
Been there. Wow!!
OMG! I just realised... I used to be friends with someone.. who... well, she's a good person actually.. she would make sure to pay me properly for everything. She didn't take advantage of people in terms of money but... she would judge people.. Like.. I had sat down many times with her and explained that the world doesn't have a grudge against her and she just needs to take a chill pill and have more confidence?
But she would repeat it again and again. She'll make faces when others give feedback. She'd blame people for not listening to her ideas cause they hate her when in reality, she happened to pitch a few bad ideas. It never ended. It was a cycle. And always the self-pity trope..
I just stopped being friends with her. I gave up and stopped feeling guilty about not being there for her anymore.
âChronic malcontentsâ is the best way Iâve heard it described. I definitely have tendencies, but Iâm thankful Iâm at least aware of it.
This is so spot on. Thank you so much for your work, doctor Ramani. You helped us by pointing things out and giving us words and expressions to describe what has been happening. This is absolutely invaluable for those of us who are struggling to break the chain.
Iâve been raised by narcissistic parents and listening to this vid made me realize I have some traits of covert narcissism - I was a golden child and scapegoat at the same time.
I'm really sorry, but you can build and have very healthy relationships! especially because you recognize the traits in yourself. don't let the pain they caused you spiral into all your other relationships, hon you will only end up more hurt, and worse, hurt people you care about. wishing you all the best luck and praying for you!
I also had traits of covert narcs. But i was the neglected child. My mom were covert narc herself. And now i have a grandiose narc wife. Actually a blessing, we dont have to wandering around destroying peoples. Just two of us, trying to manipulate each other. Now i just to make sure our two children wont become narc themselves.
I feel like no matter what you do youâll get labeled a narcissist. Everyone is a narcissist to a degree. Protecting yourself isnât narcissism, but if you impede on everyone else it is.
What does that mean for yourself? How are you going to live with yourself? Are you going to be okay..? :/
I also realised I inherited covert narc behaviours from my covert narc mum but finally gaining awareness is helping me deal with this and erradicating them. Admitting my erroneous attitudes and mindsets has been helping me build a healthier thought pattern and behaviours.
You re describing my 30 years relationship with my husband . I am divorcing him , i feel better but i am completly isolated and alone.
Mounia MAMEN,you deserve better
I made it out; you can, too.
38 years of my life!
Having seen his dark side and how he could just chew people into shreds (ie; a rabid pit bull with a bunny in his mouth). I was so afraid of having that rage directed at me! So, I made a plan and hours after he caught a flight, I was on another one, headed the opposite direction. Make sure you have a great attorney!
@@donnacox6547 tragic
Inner Work by R. A. Johnson has some great rituals for healing in it, it is a book, it has helped me, I recommend taking a look at it. Thanks for posting. Peace
Me too! He quickly, before we were even divorced, found a mail order bride who worships him.
It took 34 years to figure out the situation that i find myself in. Sobering and sad. đą Going to move forward even if it means financial disaster.
Freakily accurate! Thank you for this wonderful content.
âTheir Entitlement and quiet rage floating just underneath the surface.â So true.
My narc is covert; Never satisfied and complains about everything. The relationship felt like watching life get sucked right out of me, slowly but steadily. I'm glad I got out. Fresh air at last. The hoovering and smearing is boundless, but who cares? Life has never been better for me!
Yes, I felt like the life in me was getting sucked out! Good for you for getting out!
Oh, I felt the same! I convinced myself to break up with him by sending myself messages to remember how I am looking forward to freedom because it is such a messed up process where you can easily forget what you want and succumb to what the other wants.
Ahhh yes, the smearing! I finally got up the strength to leave him after 20 years of abuse. He threatened to 'go nuclear' if I told anyone the truth of all his perversions and lies. So now he plays the victim to everyone, has completely twisted the truth and lied about everything that really happened. Even had a 'mental break'. I'm the 'bad one' but whatever, I'm free and healing more and more everyday. Love and strength to all survivors! đ
Ten long years living under his spell, his cruel gaslighting, his arrogant attitude towards me or others, his humiliation, his secret grandiose persona. Thanks Dr. Ramani for being a light to thousands of victims like myself.
"a passive poison creature in the corner" what a line! it kind of made me laugh, it was so well said and vividly descriptive. Thanks again for your incredibly informative video!
My son is diagnose with autism (aspergers) last yr. Age 16 now.
I dont know if its teen angst, autism, or covert narcissism I'm living with!
But it is appalling, mind bending, abusive, restrictive.
I was raised by a grandiose narcissist and a covert narcissist. They messed me up. I married and moved to another country. Took me a lot years to start healing. I also recognized many narcissistic traits in myself. It took a lot of work on being a better person. It's very painful to know that sometimes I act like them.Everything Dr. Ramani said is spot on.
Hello love, thank you for sharing a part of your story and Im so glad and proud of you for healing and being able to get to a better place. I had a question for you, was there anything in particular that made you self reflect and find out you had these qualities as well?
@@fallyhally1234 @X O Thank you for your kind words. I can share something very specific: my parents, especially my father, believed that we,as a family,are "different" and "special". We were raised and thought that we are better then the rest, but at the same time they would always criticize or berate us. Throughout my life there were instances where I would feel like the world owes me something, that I am entitled to success, respect, love, acceptance and at the same time I was feeling worthless and insecure, because it was expected from me to be "perfect", but because I was not, my father would be disappointed in me. Instead of teaching me to work hard for success, to be kind to people,he thought us that the world owes us everything. It's hard to explain. At times I could be very arrogant or very intimidated by other people's beauty or success. I don't believe I am a narcissist, I believe that I was thought to behave that way, because that's all I knew. Over the years I have learned that I am not "special" and that I need to work hard in order to gain success and respect. I have been consciously trying not to act or think like my parents. Next step is forgiving them. That's the hardest part.
Keep it up ... you are a wonderful person, you are not them!
Same here. I'm still living with my grandiose narc father and covert narc mother. It gets harder n harder. With my father it's clear I can't handle him so stay stealth with him. But my mother im keep on falling for her covert depression. I sympathize her and try to help her and then she throws me down and hurts me like hell. The most scary thing is this behaviour is fine if that's a parent. They're just doing for our benefit. Im tired and burnt out.
same here, I feel for you :*
This blows...20 years in. I realize now that I clung to him after my horrific childhood, and he just picked up where they left off. After my heart attack and stroke, his mask FELL OFF COMPLETELY! His, now, financial control of me, just makes him worse. Im praying and planning escape. Wish me luck!
You can do this!
@Western Alliance. Thank you. Im trying. So sick of his constant insults, degrading me from my hair, to LITERALLY my spirit. Disgusting!
Good Luck :]
Seek the Truth; stay strong!
I hoped you escape!!
Do you have any family?
Do get out because they never change.
You were targeted because you are a tender hearted person and because you were set up by your parents, you were vunerable!
Narcs look for people who have low self-esteem and weak boundaries that they can manipulate.
Good luck to you!!!!
You can do it! Make a plan, you might need to start small but it's worth it. I just got out of our co-owned house the week before the world went nuts! I really didn't think I could, I was so worn down. I prayed and prayed for the energy, motivation and strength to get it ready to sell and go through that whole stressful process(all by myself)and I'll just say, I know with 100% certainty my prayers were answered because I still don't know how I got everything done!! I pray you figure it out and find the strength within yourself, it's there, whether you believe it or not! Sending you much love!đ
Dr. Ramani, I have watched many of these videos. Thank you so much for explaining this topic so thoroughly and so well. You have helped me to understand what happened to me, and why. I am a little over 5 years free of my ex and still suffering behavioral and cognitive after-effects. Living with one of these toxic people poisons every aspect of our lives...particularly someone like me. I got chills when you said that Covert Narcissists are particularly cruel and hurtful to Empaths. I know this very well. I wish I did not. It has changed me in ways that I am still uncovering. These people are, effectively, evil.
You got everything SO SPOT ON. Down to the bringing them to a party only for them to sit in the corner talking sh*t on me to my friends the whole time
8 years in a relationship with a covert.......always tired, exhausted, fat, low on self esteem, feeling inadequate, and just feeling plain stupid as well. Saved by a combination of luck, strength of will, family and this lady,Dr.Ramani. bless her soul!
Kills me to think there are people who want to destroy you and your personality for no reason...just for their supply. Hope DrRamani's videos keep reaching people who need them!
@Miss Gönen - that's tough to hear. Hope u can find a way to make him/her watch one of Dr.ramani's videos randomly,it may spark some self preservation.
Wow you just described my situation..
I was in a ten year relationship with a covert narc and it's going to take me a while to recover. I lost everything.
@@jeannie3236 @@jeannie3236 - you know whatever anyone says, the damage is a lot. But only thing I can say is to celebrate the time out from the hell it must have been. And breathe the air of freedom and normalcy. The hurt never really goes, but boy, life does look up. Sending you all positivity đ
I am not sure they do it on purpose, they just lack the mechanisms to not do it. A lot of it is automatic. They would have to unlearn/undo and rebuild all core beliefs, everything about themselves to be closer to healthy. Its too hard.
I work with a textbook covert narcissist and have to watch everything I say because itâs so frequently interpreted as criticism when it isnât.
I was practically silent the last few months as EVERY time I said something about MY feelings he told me I was criticizing him and he was never enough....
I eventually had to shut down - almost 3 years ago. No matter I said or how I reacted, it spawned an argument. It got the point when I just had enough and basically went silent except for talking about the weather - and even that sometimes was risky - or what do you want for dinner. Sad really. But now that I understand it, I realize I was in survival mode.
It sounds like all of us in this comment section have the same ex! Lol itâs jaw-dropping how similar all of our experiences are despite dealing with different people!
@@KO-D00M I used to think i was loosing my mind dealing with the Narc
You are so right I had to brief him on me not being a monster before I held a conversation with him. All this was draining âŒïž
Every single word is so accurate for me currently, Iâm speechless. This is more helpful than any therapist Iâve ever tried to get help from, thank you đđ»
The feeling when it all makes sense! This is what you have done for me! My god! This is 1000% on point
Cover narcissist is the most charming of all at the bigini...incredible love bombing and incredible desire to agree with you in everything.... spend some more time with them and you will see the little monster in them..
Facts
Well said I understand 100% of what you're saying
You've explained it to the T this is exactly what happened to me
It's worse when it's the first glimpse of "love" you ever had. Often you forget how awful they are.
But the funny thing is no matter how hard they try, they donât make me feel connected, like a wall sitting between them and me. Even in my head I will think itâs nice of them, but in my heart even I try to do it out of guilt, I canât connect with them, it was bothering me, but later when their mask falls, I realize why.
"they make life miserable" so true.
ALL narcissists make life miserable no matter what type they are!
Wow, I canât thank you enough for this video. Finally, after 24 years of unresolved marital issues I now have clarity.
đ€Ż I knew it!!! Thank you for pinning it down for me!