Punching Hammer Eyes with a Flypress! Forging Swedish hammers! TEST RUN
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- Well after a couple of comments I thought I would look into some more tooling for the flypress! In this video I make some Swedish style hammers for the Etsy using the flypress to punch the eyes with some interesting results.
I hope you enjoy?
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just for the camera work alone, you get a like. for the knowledge i gained your legacy lives on
Seven months later. I still learned a lot!
I was watching you make a 3.5lb hammer in another video. My dad had one of your hammers although it wasn’t the 3.5lb one but it looked identical to the one you were using to make it with. He was so impressed with it and liked it so much he refused to use it saying that there are some hand made/forged tools that are so beautiful they deserve to be displayed. In his workshop he would make a sort of picture frame and use it to display what ever it was that he thought deserved it along with a little brass tag with the makers name on it. This is exactly what he did with your hammer.
My dad died a few months ago and I inherited all his tools including your hammer. Unfortunately thieves broke into his workshop and stole quite a number of items including your hammer. As upsetting it is to have something that has sentimental value stolen it’s great to be able to tell the person that made it (you) just what it meant to us.
When a craftsman makes something with a love and passion for his craft, he/she can produce something beautiful but they have little knowledge of how it makes other people feel. Some people seeing this will say it’s ridiculous it’s just a hammer but my dad saw something in that hammer that made him very happy. So I want to thank you for making something that ended up becoming much greater than the sum of its parts and made two people happy and very proud to have it and you never know the police might find who did this and my dads tools will be found. If they are and the hammer is among them I will let you know.
Thanks again Daniel, take care.
Dude I'm sorry to hear that your old man passed away! What's was his name? I think I only sold 3 of these hammers to date?
Daniel Moss I’m not sure if he bought it or it was bought for him as a present. His name was John Ellinsworth. If his tools, along with your hammer, are found and returned to me I’ll take a photo of it in its frame with its little brass name tag with your name on it and I will send it to you.
He was an engineer and like to use nice tools, especially hand made tools. Every now and then though he would come across a hand made tool or in your case a hand forged tool that he thought was special. He just had an appreciation of what it took to make things. He said that most people could have a good go at making something but it was only a craftsman that could take it to a level that made something really special.
I totally agree with him but it’s not very often that you get to tell the person who created it just what it meant to someone. Like I said before some people will say that it’s just a hammer but to him it meant a lot more than the sum of its parts and I felt it was important to let you know that sometimes when you’re swinging that hammer to make something you might be creating something that becomes something very special to someone. I was absolutely gutted when his tools were stolen. The person who stole them won’t have a clue about anything I’ve said here and will probably sell it on as just a very nice hammer.
Well at least I got to tell you just what it meant to me and my dad even if it does sound stupid to others.
Thanks again Daniel.
Even though I realise the chances are pretty remote I’ll let you know if I get it back
I don’t have a fly press but like all the videos you make!! 👍 great info.
I don't have a fly press, power hammer, i do everything by hand, like days of old and there is nothing wrong with that. Your videos show us how to use these tools and what can be made, that i appreciate, thanks Dan.
Thanks for the great comment.
Thank you, it was very informative. And YES prices are OUTRAGEOUS...
You keep up the great content like this Dan you will be at 100k subscribers in no time my friend :-)
That's way too ambitious dude not sure I want that!! Just want to have a nice business with a good life and a little fun. But that's an epic comment thank you.
I like the voice activated power hammer you have there.
Thanks for making this video!!! My neighbors won't appreciate me getting a power hammer, so I'm looking for ways to make a press as effective as possible.
They really do help. Hope it works out and thanks for the great commet
Your videos are awesome Dan
Great video Dan thanks
Awesome info, tooling and hammers! Thanks for sharing Dan!
Your rant on smithing equipment prices is right on! I wish I had started before Alec & Forged in Fire got hot. You’re a pretty cool “blacksmurf”, too. Lol
Your doing fine,always enjoy all your videos and different ways of accomplishing the same thing with minimal or extravagant tools ,keep doing your best
I did enjoy the video, and thank you for putting nice content out! Since you have asked for feedback I will leave some for you. One: Make your setup for a specific weight hammer. That meens make a back stop for the length of the piece, width, and hight of the hammer (in this case) that you plan on making a run of. Two: definitely use H13 tooling. The biggest issue I seen is just not getting the punch out of the eye fast enough. That just goes down to making the thing maybe 1/8th inch taller than the stock you are punching, so when you reverse the press it pulls the punch out as soon as possible from the material. Maybe use like a chain style hold down setup on it so it's very adjustable. Just an idea there. If I could EVEN FIND a fly press here I'd make dang sure to grab it up at all costs unless it's totally shot. They are not very easy to even come across sadly.. Again, thanks for the video, and the great work! 👍 👍The best we have in our smithy is a kick press.
You set the bar, we attempt to follow! Great video!
Pretty low bar hahaha thank dude
As always the blacksmithing work is great! On a separate and often over looked note the videos are improving nicely as well. I really like the added touch with the text overlay for dimensions and procedures! Keep up the fantastic work.
Hit that like button everyone
Thanks dude. Thought you might have gon for the first lol
Awesome video DAN, great content and information. Thank you
I have a D&B No 6 deep throat flypress bought on your recommendation as I havent got a power hammer yet. Been using it for cold bending mostly but I just finished some hot cut tooling and I have the same issues with clamps and strippers.... In factories when I was growing up the press would be dedicated to one job for years, we are trying to use it as a multi-purpose tool so need to get creative. Keep at it they are brilliant machines....!
I enjoy seeing all different ways to do things.
I liked it. That #8 is a beast compared to my #6
Thanks John your a star.
Good to see the fly press being used for punching. Love to see more tooling and use for it.👍
Hi Robert Thank you for the comment.
I'm not a blacksmith i am a welder /machinest but I do have some blacksmith tools several tongs of differant styles , large anvil and I have a 25lb Little Giant trap Hammer I have used the hammer and use it erery once in a while I just subsribed and enjoy your videos
Nice Dan great vid I'm just about to make a similar rig for my fly press. Thanks
Another great video Daniel.
Hi! I'm new but i already love your channel... The content you bring are very interesting and useful, especially for me as a beginner! ☺
Thanks that means a lot.
Hello Dan, I do enjoy your videos on Smithing although I am not a Blacksmith I am a Joiner. Your description and presentation is very good. Please keep them coming, best wishes Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK.🏴🏴🏴
I have a fly press, not sure why size, not even sure how to find out but what I do know it is a heavy beast, impossible to manually lift. I would love to see regular use of the fly press. Maybe a bi-weekly or monthly series on the basic up to more advanced work. I bought it to make some tool. Sadly my smithy shop isn't built yet as we are thinking of moving. But can't wait to get this tool working.
Great information as usual. I like the different content.
Best week ever another new vid. Ready for break time
☕👨🏭
Well I enjoyed it and I haven't got a fly-press, I haven't even got a forge or an anvil either. Just because I can't emulate what you and other people do doesn't make it any less interesting.
I just bought a fly press on the weekend. Keen for any videos and info on then. Cheers mate.
A flypress is on my short list for shop equipment.
I have a 25 ton hydraulic press. It does a great job with punching eyes.
H13 is definitely the way to go on the punch.
Atlantic 33 would be a great choice as well and it can be water cooled..
I'm looking to get some A33 and forge another eye punch for my press.
Keep the great info coming Daniel.
Nice hammers by the way!
Damn that was fast!
Very cool look into the tooling necessary for that kind of work. I have been looking to pick myself up a fly press, but as you said, the prices are getting a bit ridiculous
Being in Australia, I agree, blacksmithing tools of all sorts are stupidly expensive at the moment, and as such I do not have a fly-press (despite wanting one). However, I still found this video interesting and will likely be useful in the future when I manage to afford a fly-press. :)
Learn a lot from your videos, just bought a no.6 DB Norton flypress
I liked it. I noticed the channel bending as well. I think a short piece of tube steel, and a hole in the channel, would both reinforce the channel and allow the punch to go through the eye further... if that doesn’t make sense I can explain again.
Give that beast a good swing and you have the weight of 2 1/2 long wheelbase Land Rovers coming down on that punch - build it strong !
keep up the good of videos, I enjoy them even though I won't be able to do this type of work
*clap* BAOW! haha great video, Dan. The hammers came out amazing, and congrats on hitting 10k subs!
Awesome Dan I’ve got a flypress I’m in the process of tooling up to use it🙂
Looks great man!
I really enjoy your videos and some day I love to own a fly press have a great day
That was a great video mate. Thanks for that. 👍
Agree 100% about anvil prices mate shocking, I think a shorter travel between the material and the stripper bars may well get the tool out of the piece faster minimising heat transfer to the punch H13 is the way forward but its a bugger to forge without a power hammer. Great tutorial as always.
Take care of your customers, first. You're stuff is good enough to wait for!
Awesome video as all always! Prices for anything old tool related are stupidly high at the moment I was lucky I guess and got a decent sized anvil in really good shape for £250
Man another good video fly press is on my short list for sure
Thanks Hans you the man!
Dan, can you lower the two round bars at the top of the jig so that they enable the punch to pull out of the hammer head when you retract it by preventing the upward movement of the hammer head. Looking at the video you have quite a lot of clearance between the round bars on the jig. Moving the bars to the lower holes in the side of the jig would restrict the upward movement of the hammer head enabling the punch to withdraw earlier.
I had tried using the lower holes but due to my poor math skills it was too tight and I couldn't get the hammer in using. I did take into account the material expansion when hot. Silly me. This is some thing I will address at a later point. Thank for the great comment.
Fly press looooove!
I love my flypress
I enjoyed it a lot. I wasn'r sure you could do that with a fly press. Would love to have a smaller version as it would need to be smaller to fit in my shop. I have outgrown it. Never saw a flypress for sale here in the states.
Beeswax and graphite? Coal dust? Keep punch cooler? Yes, you are driving the punch in only to stick. H13 should help but lubricant may be a real plus. Agricultural seed lube graphite comes in large sizes and is FAR cheaper than hardware store variety. Cheap crockpot and beeswax is a damn good thing to have around. GREAT video!
I think most of the issues are dude to time spent in the materials. To long to release and too slow moving through the materials. In all fairness this was just an experiment to see if it was plasusable. Which I believe ut to be. I need better tools and a little more practice. I also uses graffiti and linseed oil as a lub when punching eyes normally. So I kkow it helps. Thanks for the great commet.
Daniel Moss one must try new ways. I am sure you can perfect punching eyes with the fly press. Of course you have other means for eyes that are perhaps much more efficient. Love your approach and outlook! All the way over here at my Texas ranch! I am 62 with a long history of experience but to me your channel is one of the very best!
Great Vid Dan
I am guessing water cooling would be impractical unless you are going into mass production.
Promised myself I will build my workshop this year so any advise on setting up your first would be appreciated.
Keep up the great work
Great vid mate hope your keeping well 👍
I am just made busy. How are you liking the new videos??
@@danielmoss2089 good mate still need a live when u can though 👍
Hope to see ya at Quadstate
sure will!
Dan, great video. The content is spot on. So who’s Maggie? You may have convinced me to go to Quadstate, there’s a farrier competition around the same time, just have to convince my better half that I should go to both.
Could you use coal dust to make the fly press better . Love your videos cant wait to park at night to watch and then try on the weekend when I get home
Flypress is on my list as it’s quieter than a power hammer.. fly press or a hydraulic press...
Good Dan, if you look at young Paul Pinto, his press has a good tool that pulls the punch out of the material pretty good, admittedly his is a press not a fly press, that might help. Could you make an adze one time. Cheers mate.
I would love to see a modern fly press. Im sure it could be improved upon
Great content, you said bum and stripper🤪lol. I think your spot on with the tooling. Those changes and Looks like that will the cat's meow. Nice job Dan ⚒on!!!
Thank you Dan for showing uses for the fly press. This is a very interesting tool!
You inspired me to build a propane fueled forge. (I"m having an issue with my burners...so I'm going to "Plan B" and fabricating forced air burners)
I just bought myself a used fly press. I have to make dies for it.
I would be very interested to see what dies you have made for your fly press :)
Keep up the great work! You will hit 100k subscribers by the end of the year.
Thanks you for the great comment
Try coal dust, to help *pop* the punch out ( Black bear forge just did a video, using it). I am thinking of making up a punch lube, and see how it goes, when the weather stabilizes...we had 60-70 degree F weather on Monday. Today, it snows. Seriously, wthekk????
*Totally agree* about the resurgence in smithing, for driving prices up to the outrageous stages. Hang in there good Sir! Be well, be safe, and love the content!!👍⚒️❤️
Please, build a cage in front of your power hammer belt. It scares me every time I see it running and I start to imagine an accidental trip & fall. That would certainly get the views, but it'd be a short career. Great smithing videos, btw.
Just keep it up you do a great mix of information. You might check out Atlantic 33 steel as a possible punch steel. Thank you and God bless have a great day📖⛪
Be glad you don't live close by here. You'd have to have me arrested to get me outa your shop. lol!
creepy :\
pasta xd
You talked about the accuracy of using a fly press, my question is how is it time-wise compared to other ways of punching hammer eyes?
Love it all Dan! I am interested in the fly press a lot, as someone still on the hobbyist side of the spectrum it is much more attainable than a power hammer. I want to end up producing small runs of traditional forestry tools, I am leaning in the direction of a press though its still a year or more off. Love the hammers, would you commission a 3lb? Be Well
Thanks dude and the press are defo easyer than hammers. Send me an email if you would like a hammer!!
Dan, I do have a flypress and I do care. :0)
About to buy fly press. So any information and video's would be highly appreciated
That number 8 is a bit of a fat boy fella :D I've only got a svelte little number 6 to play with. The Flypress is such an underrated tool, excellent couple of video's on their use and tooling somewhere on CZcams.
You've already sussed the channel iron isn't beefy enough and you're spot on about needing to sort the stripper plates. They really need to be as close to the piece as you can possibly get away with and there's no harm in building them to take at least half as much force being pulled out as was put in.
If that sounds like overkill you're simply reversing the direction of travel on the thread of the flypress. It generated 8 tonnes just by rotating one way, what's it generating by going the other?
The extra time to actually strip out the punch is what's killing your tool for me. The punch will soak up the most heat when in direct contact with the material so it's conduction versus radiation, any gap is still a significant thermal break so the less contact the better. Or put another way, more speed in and out vicar ;)
I also try sprinkling a little coal or charcoal dust into the punched hole as soon as you get it started, the off gassing can help to pop the punch back out cleanly. Or you can go for graphite lube etc. The more surface area the tool has in direct contact with the material the likelier it is to want to jam.
There deserves to be more video's on the flypress, it's a fantastic tool for Blacksmithing
Would something like a Noga Mini Cool or similar help cool your tooling between each press? I use them for some machining applications as they don’t need much air, the mist doesn’t make much mess, yet they remove quite a lot of heat. I’m not a blacksmith so I have no idea if it’s a stupid idea but thought I’d throw it out there.
It's not a stupid idea, such coolers work well on cutters etc but they never reach the same temps as hot punches do. If the punch gets stuck then it'll come out of the material at a red heat, possibly higher even. A hot working steel like H13 is the usual solution.
Ian Lowe G’day Ian. When machining hard steels the chips are white hot. Admittedly we wouldn’t use coolant then as the thermal cycles shock the cutting edge, but the point is machining can deal with quite high heats eg blue chips on mild steel after they’re cool would be ideal. My thought was along the line of cooling the tool back down in between pressing cycles. Obviously leaving it in the work will cause it to heat excessively but by proactively cooling the tool it may enable more cycles before it gets critically hot. I’m pretty sure industrial pressing dies are normally cooled. Anyway Just a thought.
I have no idea how the prices go in the UK, but down here in Oz “exotic” steels like H13 are quite expensive. I thought proactively cooling the tool may allow less expensive steel to be used.
@@886014 No worries bloke, I get what you're saying but don't cutters start out hitting cold material over a very small surface area? The chips might come off white hot but they didn't start out already hot (comparatively), and there are multiple cutting edges to spread and shed heat build up from the actual cutting (plus the mister/coolant etc if you're using that). It's a different environment for a hot punch, besides a larger initial surface contact onto an already screaming hot lump there's a constantly increasing surface area contact with that hot lump as the punch is driven deeper. That's a lot of thermal conduction. Virtually any hot punch made of the usual carbon steels will lose it's temper in short order unless you cool it constantly, as in hit/cool/hit/cool/hit/cool etc and whilst that's practical for hand punching it's not easy on a fly press. It's why hot hard steels like H13 etc are the go for that application.
A mister might work while the irons in the fire but I'd be leery of those thermal shocks you mentioned for carbon steels and it'd be a no no for any exotics like H13.
I use a combo lube/coolant on my regular hot punches and coal/charcoal dust on the others.
I spent a couple of years in Oz as a Journeyman, worked with a few bloody clever blokes in NSW and QLD . Where do you hail from in the Lucky Country mate?
looks to me like the stripper needs to be set quite a bit lower. This will give a much quicker tool release and much less heat transfer
I have a #6 Karachi flypress. Do you think is would do the job for this process? I do not plan on making hammers for sale, only for personal use.
Hey Daniel, great video. Just curious, what are some examples of junk yard steels that are equivalent to S7?
Nit a good idea to try and find steel that might go pop if you don't know what's happened to them. I would never recommend reusing a recycled air harding steel.
Good question and thank you for asking hope the info helps and keeps you safe sorry its a bit of a crappy answer.
Hello Dan did you say you were looking for a large good anvil, I have one for sale. If the weight is correct with the markings on the anvil the weight is 457 lbs = or in kgs 208. It has 2 Hardly holes approx 11/8 inch square . It is in very good condition, as it was the back of a workshop, not being used. I wonder if you might be interested ?? Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK. 🏴🏴🏴
Mate i know this video is pretty old, but im thinking of buying a flypress, and i found a 8 ton one for a reasonable price. Would that be enough for a hammer and tong maker? And how do you made the "anvil" for the deepthroat? Sorry to comment on such an old vídeo, ur such an inspiration for me i want to live work exactly like u do here in Brazil, and your guindance would be absolutely awesome! Thank you!
Every good man needs a better stripper😇.
Dude if you dont make the quality videos you do on any subject...how are we going to learn from you? Even if it doesnt apply to my shop at the moment...who's to say it wont in the future. Well my shop is still dirt in the pasture but you know.
I reckon more than a few if us want to learn from you in your style from your perspective thats exactly why were here.
Nope dont have an anvil or a forge. Dont have tongs or eye drifts. Dont have fly presses power hammers nor hydraulic squishers. But i do have the hunger to learn from you. I feel a well rounded scholorship from you and roy and john and joey and torbjourne and chandler ect will give a foundation for starting once i do have the equipment. So my freind i do hope you and the others continue to put out this quality video and ill continue to learn from some of the neatest guys from all around the world...not just one guy in one shop doing it one way. Wont ever get a diploma from Daniel Moss U, regretably, but i will have the satisfaction i was there and had all the opertunities to learn from you all i could. Plus if ever i forget i get to go back and take that days class over again just by watching.
So i say to you ⚒ forge on brother and never doubt your ability to teach thru your actions.
Blessings upon you sirSir
Crawford out
Maggie is a very naughty girl. Girls like that, you treat w/ respect.
Why not make good quality anvils because as a pro blacksmith you know what you want and prefer so you have the exp to not make trash
Your Anvil is way too low and you're going to hurt your joints in the long-run.
What's your blacksmithing experience? Who have you worked with, how long have you been forging for and where did you train?