Are All INFJs Considered 'Neurodivergent'?
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- Are All INFJs Considered 'Neurodivergent'? | Throughout the INFJ personality type communities, there seems to be a common argument as to whether or not there is a correlation between the INFJ type and autism.
While it may not be easy to say for sure, there are certainly some similarities making the infj neurodivergent question one to look into. So, are these two sides of the same coin? Can all INFJs be considered neurodiverse?
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00:00 - INTRO
00:45 - Number 1: External stimuli can become overwhelming
02:12 - Number 2: They have a superior ability to recognize patterns
03:27 - Number 3: Out of the box thinking
04:43 - Number 4: Empathy isn’t always a great discerning measure
05:58 - Number 5: INFJs use ‘masking’ in most social situations
07:26 - Number 6: They find it seriously challenging to find their place in the world
08:34 - Number 7: Neurodivergence can cloud existing cognitive functions
09:39 - Number 8: Correlation and causation are very different
10:57 - Comment Question!
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*So, do you think the INFJ type could have a correlation with neurodivergence?*
Comment down below 👇
I actually think no. They correlate more with SPD ( sensory processing disorder ) than ASD. Since in the US it's not a diagnosis it's rarely talked about. In my homecountry it is an official diagnosis though and about 6% of the human population is said to have SPD. It's much more common than ASD and I think some "high functioning autistic people" actually have SPD and are misdiagnosed.
I think due to a lack of information in English and the USA being one of the only countries in the world where it isn't recognised ( due to the USA using the DSM instead of the ICD ) people just don't know about it and don't know that normally you first get assesed for SPD, because that is much more likely.
INFJ fullfill a lot of criteria for SPD or being an HSP.
Yes
Heck yes including more empathetic or even psycic but would say you CAN be an INFJ without but more often yes.
@@gaelle4328 I sometimes feel like I'm psychic, I get lots of synchronicities w/what is on the TV, and going on in real life, (cannot psychically read anyone's future obviously), but things just come to me with intuition; maybe because of how much information is absorbed w/the personality type, it makes it easier to predict events? It's a bit spooky, but I doubt it's paranormal; again I think it has a lot to do without how much information is being processed, and awareness.
@@crookedzebrarecords Mm also in the realm of quantum physics what is magic and what is something that one day will have an explaination ( or not)
Ridiculously pure of heart, whilst having a hatred of evil behaviour. That is the INFJ mantra... and we all know it.
I'm an INFJ, empathic and gifted. It's a nightmare
It’s a double-edged sword. Pressure from others that see you as intelligent, trustworthy, and reliable all the while the inner turmoil is a blazing fire that’s never extinguished.
Being 0.00 something % in a world that is unifitted for you creates an enormous discomfort and conflict internally and externally
It's a complete disadvantage if you ask me
@@massielhidalgo9456 I don’t know if you have anyone to relate to but I pray you do. I talk with someone that words aren’t even needed to understand each other. Her and I talk about seeing each other since we live in separate countries. And we both know how rare that is for people like us.
I've been on my own for so long that I no longer need anyone to relate to
I hope you meet her soon and that you'd be for each other everything you ever dreamed of and more
@@massielhidalgo9456 I can resonate with you. Been on my own for so long as well that I don’t either. As for the disadvantage you spoken of earlier, it’s only a disadvantage when it’s not working in our favor. Which happens almost %100 of the time trying to get others to understand where we are coming from. Ni seems to attract so many people from everywhere but society doesn’t value it at all. Only INFJs and INTJs can handle the wild beast of introverted intuition. And thx for your kindness and time. We should be seeing each other sooner than later.
I learned from a young age how to survive social isolation, growing up as an outsider in a small town. Maybe being INFJ helped me with this. When I started university 35 years ago I met my best friend. We just found out this year that we are both INFJ. What a beautiful gift to have a friend who just "gets" me.
INFJ is a personality type identified by the MBTI system, which classifies individuals based on cognitive and emotional preferences. It's crucial to clarify that all personality types, like INFJ, are entirely separate from the concept of neurodivergence. Neurodivergence encompasses differences in brain structure and function and typically includes conditions like autism, ADHD, and dyslexia.
It's important to stress that personality types do not reflect neurodivergence. They pertain to cognitive and emotional preferences, whereas neurodivergent conditions involve atypical cognitive, sensory, or social processing and may require particular support and accommodations due to these distinctive cognitive functions.
It's essential to debunk the misconception that INFJ personality types, or any personality type for that matter, equate to neurodivergence. They are unrelated concepts, and it's vital to understand and acknowledge the diversity of human cognitive and emotional profiles and neurological variations.
Neurodivergent can have any personality type who is diagnosed with this condition.
If you have any scientific source that say different, comment below 👇🏻
Completely agree with you
Oh, thank you! I am both INFJ and autistic, and it can be terribly frustrating trying to explain the difference.
Nailed it 😎💯%
So... I've definitely debated this as I grew up noticing striking similarities in my personality with those who were considered ND. I strangely attracted and got along with so many NDs in this life that I started to question, well, why? Am I ND, or do I have qualities that attract NDs, and why can I get along with them so well? Firstly, I considered that I may be on the spectrum--however, I had a hard childhood, and many videos I have watched suggested that trauma may show itself in ND-like tendencies. Great, so I'm traumatized. Right? INFJs also value truth and honesty.. something NDs really are masters of. Perhaps that's why I was drawn to them... INFJs are also very understanding of personality differences, so maybe that's why NDs are drawn to us. Either way, I'm just brushing the intro here. Recently, I came across an MBTI video that stated that those who classify as INFJs biologically showing a different brain-wiring than neurotypicals. How true this is, I don't know, I have yet to see the car faxs. But if what they suggest is true, then INFJs would technically fall under the category of NDs--a.k.a, atypical wiring and functioning of the brain that strays from the general norm even if barely. Frankly, I don't care what we are, ND or not. But what a fascinating line of thought to explore. I can't remember where I saw this, so don't quote me.
Thank you for clarifying:)
I googled neurodivergent. Here is a cut and paste.
Signs of Neurodivergence
Difficulty with social interaction.
Difficulty with communication.
Processing sensory information.
Issues with focus and concentration.
Intense interest in a particular topic or activity.
Stuck in repetitive behaviors or routines.
Difficulty following instructions.
Difficulty organizing thoughts.
I first took the Myers Briggs around 1990. INFJ totally fits me, and I've taught the test and types so I have a broad understanding.
The one type that may fit your theory is INTP.
I had many WTF moments while listening to this.
Autism traits of at least 5 points are revealed here.
Especially difficulty with social interaction, & intense interest in a particular topic.
Difficultly communicating also.
You can recognize patterns and social cues for other people and still be able to miss them completely in yourself. It’s a part of masking. You concentrate so hard on everyone else, you don’t pay attention to what you’re doing, it’s entirely possible to be INFJ and neurodivergent.
That’s for sure not a INFJ, probably one that did not work on himself but definitely not one that worked on himself. An Infj knows so well others because they know themselves so well and are very introspective!
@@anewmindsetforeveryone you can know yourself and still not understand WHY you do things.
Probably at 20 when you still figure things out, but not later! Not with this kind of personality. Exceptions exist always ofc.
I was diagnosed with a 160IQ at 3-years-old. No birth defects. No mental illnesses outside of CPTSD. I served and was excellent in the military. Academics have never been a problem for me. I never had to study for exams. I’m heading back into college (again & again) out of severe mental boredom with everyday life. My brain fires faster than my body can seem to handle. I have a high EQ, as well. I’m definitely a neurodivergent (and I’m not ashamed).
Respectfully I’ve been a psychiatric nurse for so many years and worked with neuroscientists and psychologists and they have never heard of a 3 year old being tested on the IQ spectrum. And especially coming in with that number. Heck maybe you’re an anomaly. Where were you tested? As a professional I would be interested. Thank you Miss.
@susanmolnar9606 you really basing that on your lived experience? Lol.
Do some research… Take a poll? I was tested at 7 years old. That’s not far off from OP’s claim.
I think INFJs and INFPs are the types that are closest or most common to have ASD and/or ADHD, thus highly likely to be neurodivergent. However, I would love to have some statistics and data if ALL INFJs and INFPs ARE neurodivergent - I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
I am an INFJ, HSP, have ASD, and currently trying to seek diagnosis whether I have ADHD or BPD. It's really difficult to live in a neurotypical world where masking is a necessity to navigate society. A chameleon or as they termed "high-functioning" may look amazing by outsiders but it slowly eats the person inside at the end of the day, it really takes a toll. I have a lot to say from this journey of being neurodivergent but I also love to read other people who have similar experiences.
Thanks for sharing that, well said. I think a lot of INFJs have similar experiences. If only there were solid statistics, I think it would make understanding ourselves much easier
I'm pretty shure, that you're right 👍...may be, that's not typical for every INFJ, but for most of them.
I'm an INFP and I was wondering too if specific MBTI types are more likely to be neurodivergent. I'm an HSP, a high sensation seeker at that and I think it's an interesting experience. It's very hard to find people who can relate to you, but it gives you a strong feeling of uniqueness. Still, everyday life can be challenging, especially if people don't understand how you're different.
I'm an INFJ, HSP, and have ADHD.
INFJ, HSP, CPTSD (questioning ADHD?)
I have the INFJ personality type. I share many traits with neurodivergent’s but am still very different. I am actually happy to have stumbled across this particular video because i have wondered for many years if I was on the spectrum. I have siblings with ADD, ADHD, and Asperger’s so honestly it could go either way.
It is possible to be both. I am.
Im autistc, ADHD and INFJ.
I have 3 sisters with ADHD. I often wonder if or how I missed it but I guess someone in the family needs to be a stabiliser. It’s a very difficult position
A personality type is not inherently nuerodivergent.
Uma coisa tá muito conectada na outra.
I’m neuro divergent, with extreme ocd and a panic disorder, and INFJ-A.
Infj is your personality.
Neuro divergent means you process the world different than everyone else
We think differently and most can’t comprehend it so they try knock us since they feel inferior sometimes
I'm highly sensitive. I meditate in nature tuning in with nature spirit. I get blessed with intuitive visions, epiphanies, knowings, anticipations, premonitions, and can will good luck.
I learned to get my love from nature because my parents and siblings enjoyed traumatising me.
Now I live in my off road vehicle in the bush and beaches of Western Australia. I will make a business for myself painting wildlife on t~shirts.
I wonder if INFJ-T types are more likely to be neurodivergent compared to INFJ-A types. I am supposedly an INFJ-T and I do find myself not exactly fitting in with societal norms and some of my thought processes and conclusions don’t seem to match what would normally be expected. I do tend to do the camellian thing and then spend the evenings quietly recharging.
Like yall said, one does not equal the other, but the mirrors are difficult to ignore as well
Yes, absolutely there is a connection between neurodivergence and INFJ type. I’m INFJ married to an INTJ and all three of our children are neurodivergent/high functioning ASD and ADHD. All 3 children possess high IQs-the oldest just graduated with strait As from college-agriculture degree, the middle child achieved a perfect score on her ELA standardized exam-middle school , and the youngest had a 142 IQ when he was tested by the school team at 6 years old. The younger two kids now have IEPs and 504 accommodations to help support their sensitivities to environmental stimuli, their executive functioning deficits and their socialization needs. In finding support for their educational needs, I have learned about my own. Despite being successful in academics (I have a STEM PhD), but not so successful in other benchmarks that most of my peers and colleagues have accomplished, I have learned that I, too (and my father for that matter) have been the likely genetic contributors of these disordered social and executive processing traits. The more research I discover, the more being an INFJ woman who also has ASD makes sense to me. There also seems to be a Complex PTSD connection in the mix too, with many INFJ/ASD women having had repeated experiences of childhood trauma. This video helps validate the connections I’ve been making lately. Thanks ☺️
Yes I tested for Autism and the test proved to be positive but I was on the low grade of the scale. I have taked the Meyer's Briggs test a few times and INFJ was always the result.
I am an introvert too and perfectly happy. I was told at one stage that I have a detached personality.
I have tested as INFJ, never as autistic, or any other disorder than low mood and anxiety as a result of Trauma and constant pain.
Trauma has not been well understood, and well the DSM has never been a realisable model to assess anyone.
I have dissociated due to trauma, never heard of detached though, is that an autism thing?
I heard one woman say who was diagnosed with BPD that she had several menta health professions argue in front of her what they thought her disorder was. I asked her if she had trauma? Her response was "YES".. I told ber that ber diagnosis was most likely Complex PTSD, its the trauma not a Personality. Disorder. If the shrinks can't agree doesn't that say there is something wrong?
I believe the DSM and idiotic drug pushers have screwed over so many people's lives with their shit for brains diagnosis. Many of them very damaged people themselves.
I have nust had to take a long hard loom at my Trauma therapist and I really font think I can work with her.
detached is considerably more functional than "unhinged"....lucky you !
INFJ are highly " Emotional Intelligence" this a gift... ❤
@@user-dv4bx7nt5h emotional intelligence is becoming more valued. But there are still far too many ignoramouses out there
1:50 "Most of the INFJ's sensitivities come from too much intake of information" - So true for me 👏
I’m an INFJ and what was said in this video gives me something to reflect on in relation to how I’ve felt through life. I think there is definitely food for thought that there is an element of being neurodiverse as a part of my being an INFJ personality type. I would never have considered such a thing before this video as I have good social skills, empathy and all the other “benefits” of that personality type. However my daughter is neurodiverse and I can now see that we might share certain traits in how we experience the World and our place in it that might help me better understand her. Thank you.
After retesting to confirm my type and then taking a deep re-dive into INFJ characteristics the past few days, I spontaneously started to wonder if the rarity and many of the challenges I have could be classify as ND, not ASD, but certainly not NT either. I feel a great relief that type explains the things I have struggled with
My doctor thinks I have ADD. I think it’s just that I’m an INFJ.
I'm an INFJ and gifted. People don't often consider Giftedness neurodivergency but yes, it is.
🤔me thinks you are full of
A doctor who diagnosed me with Asperger's wrote into my anamnesis that I don't recognize what other people feel and I don't express interest in interaction and that shocked me because I know it's not true, I know I have high empathy and clair-sentience, but I left her think so, you never know when you will need an autism diagnosis 😂
Hehehehe 😅😂
INFJs are high functioning individuals with autism who experience the social & emotional difficulties & the interests associated with autism but does not have any significant delay in intellectual or verbal development
Only a true INFJ would know & understand the conundrums of this paradox
Interestingly I know 2 ISFJ and one INTP who are autistic, but no INFJ 🤔 But I do think that INFJ are definetly some form of neurodivergent and all I know are HSP or gave SPD
I'm an ENFP and have SPD ( sensory processing disorder ). Basically that means your senses are either hyper or hyposensetive or both.
It's like having only the sensory "issues" and pattern recognition of ASD, but not the need for scheduling and that things have to be the same way. Plus the ability to read people well enough. So it's a middle thing. In my homecountry ( I'm nit from tbe US ) it's a recognised diagnosis and you normally get occupational therapy to figure out what works or doesn't work sensory wise as a child.
Idk why it's not recognised in the US. About 6% of the humsn population have SPD. It's much more common than ASD, yet on the English side of the internet it's rarely talked about.
I wonder if some "high functioning autistic" people actually have SPD and are misdiagnosed.
@danika9411
Difficulties with sensory processing are an indicator of autism, but not all with autism struggle with sensory issues & SPD
While those with SPD struggle more with touch, those with ASD struggle with sound processing
They look similar, but are not the same
SPD is usually a comorbid symptom of ASD, & like masking, it seems the narcissist & the INFJ are both narcissists until one finds the differences in intent, then one sees how masking is comorbid as well between the narcissist & the INFJ, but not between the narcissist & the one with SPD
Narcissists use masking to hide their ulterior motives, while INFJ use it to keep the peace; especially if one had SPD 🤔🧐🙄🫣🫣
@@whoknowssuchthingsidonthav574 What you wrote is so wrong. I have SPD myself ( not ASD ). I'm born that way,I was too early and it is common among children that are born a bit early.
It doesn't matter which sense, that is false information. I struggle both with sound processing and visual sensetivity and both hyper and hyposensetive skin. My nose is useless though 😂 I also have pattern recognition. What I don't have is the social problems. I'm a weirdo, but f.e. I don't ask myself when it's my turn to speak and my cognitive empathy is good enough. I can also be spontaneous. I feel alive and adventurous when doing things without a plan.
It looks like you don't understand SPD very well.
I'm an ENFP though. ENFP overlaps more with AD(H)D. Which I also don't have. INFJ overlaps more with borderline personality disorder than narcissistic personality disorder. But even if there are overlaps, it doesn't mean that someone has a personality disorder or anything else, because of their mbti.
Sorry, but your comment is so much misinformation. Especially about SPD. What you described is not what it is.
@danika9411 When I have time I will try to explain myself more & I hope that you will see that we are on more common ground than you think
@danika9411
Had a long day, so I'm way too tired now
Hopefully tomorrow we can at least attempt to start the discussion on what is wrong & what is right & why & if we disagree, then hopefully we can agree to disagree without any shots fired
Until then, goodnight with genuine & sincere respect
In your video, your statement that it seems some INFJ’s are neurodivergent and others seem not to be. Thank you for that.
I am an INFJ-T, and also a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP). I have long suspected that I am neurodivergent - especially in sensitivities to my environment, empathy, intake of information and stimuli, as well as ‘connecting the dots,’ and becoming overwhelmed by overstimulation. I work as a professional interpreter: American Sign Language/English.
So its now called neuro divergent. It used to be called weird, overactive imagination, hyper sensitivity and or mental illness.
Lol. I know riiight!😂
@@lovingdawn6530 yeah, the lunatics are running the asylum!!!
God forbid scientists make new discoveries and change their models and names when new information becomes commonplace!!
They are making up words, again.
Isn't it amazing how these PhDs fuck us over?
They are not the same. Yes there are some things in common but the overlap are different levels. INFJs might experience social situations and sensations at a 3 (just an example on this scale between the 2 groups), neurodiverse people experience them on a 9. The common factors may be the same but on totally different levels.
Perfectly said.
I took the Myers-Briggs 4 times and I’m an INFJ. I took 5 different Autism Spectrum Disorder tests and they all say I have ASD level 1 (Asperger’s or high functioning autism)
Funny, my school was a bully in addition to the kid bullies and they were always trying to find something wrong with me. I am an INFJ but they tested me for autism and said I’m not autistic at all.
The myers- Briggs gets less accurate the more times you take it
@@luischacon3793 That makes sense bc the 1st two times I got INFJ, but the 3rd and 4th times it was INTJ with a super weak T (barely T) and INFP with a super weak P (barely P)
Thank you for this evocative and inspiring take on the correlation of INFJ and neurodivergent traits. I had not considered this before. I will now ponder and may get back to you in the future.
As an INFJ, I am a joyful person that seeks to love and understand people, which includes maintaining my autonomy. I'm mindful of boundaries and not offending people.
Very informative
Funny! I consider myself a true INFJ and am diagosed with Aspergers Syndrome! I just came from another video about autism and neurodivergency, from history untill now. I gave a comment on how NT's (neuro-typicals) are the handicapped ones and not the aspies!
When I was finished I also was thinking about how INFJ's could be very well just a group within the spectrum! Most people do not know what true autism entails or rather Aspergers Syndrome (it doesn't exist anymore, but it should IMHO).
INFJ's have so much (almost all) qualities and behavioral similarities that it is extreme likely both are connected!
I mentioned this already a few years back (maybe even on this channel!). Then lots of people immediate commented that that's not the case at all! But since I constantly monitor myself and am very interested in human behavior and have lots of experience observing all sorts of people at every level in society and of every race, gender, sexual orientation, etcetera, that I can say with great confidence that there is a link between INFJ and Aspergers. And also that it is the INFJ and aspies that are the evolution of mankind!
Very wild and very controversial! I know!
But my lifelong study begins to give of its fruits! When applying my logic (which is a constant) it fit the bill over and over and over! The patterns i see prove themselves daily and the logic that follows these patterns predict the outcomes perfectly!
Of course, it is not going to be accepted and will die with me in the end.
I think the autism is from Neanderthal traits.
I'm an ENFP and have SPD ( sensory processing disorder ). Basically that means your senses are either hyper or hyposensetive or both.
It's like having only the sensory "issues" and pattern recognition of ASD, but not the need for scheduling and that things have to be the same way. Plus the ability to read people well enough. So it's a middle thing. In my homecountry ( I'm not from tbe US ) it's a recognised diagnosis and you normally get occupational therapy to figure out what works or doesn't work sensory wise as a child.
Idk why it's not recognised in the US. About 6% of the human population have SPD. It's much more common than ASD, yet on the English side of the internet it's rarely talked about.
I wonder if some "high functioning autistic" people actually have SPD and are misdiagnosed.
I also think that people who are INFJ have more overlaps with being HSP or having SPD in my experience.
I really appreciate this. I've self diagnosed with SPD and have been diagnosed with HSP by an alternative practitioner.
Am I wrong potentially.. but I heavily resonate with SPD symptoms.
North America (Canada included) is FAR behind when it comes to our medical system
Thank you for the video! ! I literally thought that I was going insane because I was born with a neurodiverse to begin with, it wasn't until somebody suggested a website that then put me in this category of personality types. I've had these characteristics since I can remember (5-6 years old). Now I don't know if it's just a coincidence that I was born with a brain injury and that I have this loving awesome character
Such an interesting perspective, thanks for bringing it up! I have worked with neurodivergent people and it has surprised me how much we have in common, making me wonder if I'm neurodivergent myself (and I score high on some tests), but other characteristics of mine has made me starkly differ from these individuals. Apart from HSP (which bring up my sensitivities) and empath (my social overwhelm), INFJ is the first model to incorporate and explain many of these - sometimes contradictory - traits.
I'm an INFJ and found this fascinating - some of the descriptions apply to me- some don't. Loud noises make me jump and I believe that's true for the autistic also. That doesn't make me autistic.
As a 67 Year old male INFJ-T, 1W2 I used to say that I was an out of the box thinker but now I say that there is no such thing as a box. This thinking allows me to bring both the ways people think within the box along with concepts outside of the box together melding the two together. I have done many things in my liftime and have never felt a part of it but an outsider looking in and this has allowed me to see everything objectively.
I love that.
You are most definitely on to something here! My beloved husband is most definitely INFJ (He took test on our first date). Plus he is most likely on the ASD spectrum (High Functioning). And I recently read that INFJ is over-represented among those on the spectrum. There appears to be a correlation. Thank you for dissecting this possibility so clearly. Greetings from Southern California!
That moment when you are an INFJ and also have a VERY strong likely hood of having ADHD 👀
Lol, you're not the only one 😂
ADHD is a very overused diagnosis invented by extroverts I am INFJ diagnosed as a "queen bee" 😊 Very sensitive physically and emotionally I just say I have BS meter
@@janiece8439 While I don't doubt there have been cases like that, I do believe that ADHD is something I should explore more. I don't mean hyperactive ADHD though, I mean inattentive ADHD or combined ADHD as this is the most likely explanation. Although I am sensitive to an extent I don't explode lol. I've also explored the possibility that I'm an INTJ since I tend to be very detached from a good amount of emotional situations, but it could just be having cognitive empathy as my main empathy type :)
Nope. I test INFJ. But am neither autistic (in fact at the other end of that scale), nor do I have ADHD. Being sensitive does not only equate to such diagnoses.
@@Emefur1não é uma regra não estar no espectro autista ou TDAH mas é MUITO comum pra INFJs. Ou você simplesmente tá confundindo as funções cognitivas e você não é INFJ
I made this connection quite some time ago. I think MBTI is just simply another way to categorize different aspects of how people interact/perceive with the world. They all rely on patterns and commonalities, of course there would be overlap in different typing systems.
Very sensitive to a point I can feel people’s pain like I was living their pain, see evil intentions of individuals, can be very very scary that it overwhelms me. Everything I question until I’m satisfied. Very observant and can control situations without people knowing I’m in control of others behaviour how they feel and also make them know their intentions, guilt till they know I know. I like to plan future a head and when it comes I’m already a head. I like to guide people.
Been living on my own age 17, introvert unless is needed to be extrovert, chameleon
Interesting video. - I’ve questioned these traits in myself as to whether they would be considered ‘neurodivergent’ or just on an outer edge of the normal range. (Am I truly masking, or am I just a chameleon who genuinely can’t help their nature?) I’m an INFJ with an autistic son, and we are very similar in many ways - the difference lies in degree or how much they affect our day to day functioning in the social world. I get along just fine for the most part, but, for example, my cognitive empathy is not something that comes naturally, I’ve had to learn it because the social world in general, and my job in particular requires it. My son struggles with it, but his affective empathy is genuine and very deep.
I wonder if those responding vehemently against the possibility of INFJ’s being neurodivergent truly understand that not all autists are like Sheldon Cooper or Rainman - ASD is not a linear spectrum.
Interestingly my ex-friend (who is narcissistic & I have now cut out of my life) who was in her last year of a masters of psychology tried to tell me I was autistic even though I didn’t meet any of the criteria for the A category at all, but met at least one in each of the others. I was reading the DSM criteria along with her and literally laughing coz I was thinking in my head how many of them were actually just INFJ traits. I’m not surprised that many INFJs would get typecast as neurodivergent of some kind, but I don’t at all think that most of us are. But I do think it helps us to understand a lot of neurodivergent people!
I am INFJ, and my 1st son had slight ADHD. in many ways we look like the same, but in emphaty. I think I absorb too much feeling from peoples around me, I can decide how to behave and help them, choose the right sentences or phrases to encourage them. but my son didnt have that ability. at my point of view, my son is ISTP with minor ADHD
I am INFJ and HSP and ADHD I know so yes.
Glad i'm not the only one pondering this....
Sounds about right. My teachers are like, Based on her grades…she’s either a genius or dumb. Something is up.
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I’m like, Calm down. I’m not blaming you. If anything I would blame it on the education system being created for the majority. Not for me.
Yes! Me too.
Ill have to ponder this topic some before giving you a definitive answer.
Pattern recognition gone haywire in the wrong environment
Actually a waiting ASD testing.
Fascinating stuff, thank you.
I always know what will happen next in shows, movies and books too. I thought it was because I'm a writer, but maybe it's because I'm an INFJ. 🤔
Life as an INFJ is a beautiful torture in which I did NOT ask for
I'm an INFJ, an empath, neurodivergent, gifted and have hyoeracusis. Both a gift and a curse for me.
I dream of a world in which difference is celebrated, not diagnosed.
I have a gift for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, and never understanding what happened next.
Me too.
Baby boo u gotta ask if they like the video at the end. ...if u had no idea how that works 😂
Even though we are talking about 2 different things this may explain with I, as an INFJ, have had many friends with ASD and other conditions.
I’m BOTH !!
#4 I'm the opposite. I understand cognitive empathy but lack affective empathy.
Não são o mesmo assunto. Eu posso claramente ver minhas funções cognitivas agindo para que eu pareça tão diferente de todos ao meu redor.
Quando um INFJ está mais maduro, se aceita e abraça sua estranheza como seu poder, pode ir muito mais longe. Sempre vai haver pessoas que te aceitarão como você é, mesmo que sejam a minoria e pessoas que você jamais imaginou.
Eu tenho muitos sintomas (ou todos😅) de TDAH ou superdotação, mas não acredito e nem vou atrás de algum psiquiatra ou neurologista para definir, porque pode ser que queiram me entupir de remédios. No fundo eu acredito que é só minha personalidade que é assim e na verdade esses sintomas não me atrapalham tanto, muitas vezes me ajudaram a realizar coisas que outras pessoas ao meu redor nunca fizeram 🤷🏼
Preach it...
I am an Sigma INFJ Empath, it can be exhausting, everything can make you crazy. but I am a happy one. 😸
I’m an INFJ and it’s insulting to think ALL INFJs are ‘neurodivergent’
They are not the same things: this also shows what society needs to change as a whole since neurodivergence has some direct correlations to creativity. So ultimately, creativity is what is, in a sense, 'on trial.'
Im diagnosed with high functioning Autism and ADHD my personality type infj-t, its a gift and a curse.
I wouldn't say they're the same thing. Both my sister in law and I are INFJ but I'm autistic and she's not.
i have been an infj as long as i can remenber high school 1974 today 2023 l have lost sense of smell and taste. my vision is going and so is my hearning. but the sigma infj with empathy.
I saw the title and I bursted out laughing (an infj autistic person)
Not the same but definitely have commonality s
I think I’d agree!
I’m an INFJ, I wish I were something else, this is exhausting! 🤣
10:20 😂🤣 proving to science that all their doctorates meant nothing if they could so easily blame others to have fooled them by those who chose to make them simply see that we CHOSE to “act strange” or “nerdy”! Where so many left out this possibility, we already played that move and simply chose it because it was humble. Not because we didn’t put together it wouldn’t be “cool” or “popular”… 🙄🤦♂️😂🔥😎
Meaning some of us chose investment over feeling… Facts and Logic over emotions. That seems to be such a strange concept to most today that we simply don’t understand…
Popular vs Purposeful… 😂🤦♂️
Just being honest… otherwise, great review and study! 🔥👏
Im
Not autistic according to online tests… idk about adhd because i can easily not move for yonders. i thought perhaps i had adult adhd as a female after traumatic breakup… sometimes things just become too much. but idk. not sure im any neurodivergent condition, but perhaps on some spectrum somewhere. a lot of the list feels somewhat like right to me.
While I'm disturbed to have why I am an INFJ, I do live this about me. I have a minor super power, they don't. What's not to love lol!
😂 the infj paradox - continually being "defined" in relation to others when we are in fact, unique. This is another example. It is these comparisons which pathologization uses like heroine to get "clicks" from people whose brains can't actually think like an INFJ. It is quite predatory really.
I am a 2e neurodivergent and an INFJ-A
I don’t think INFJs (like me) have autistic meltdowns(like me)
So I doubt it’s the same thing at all.
Now I have no idea what my personality type is. And if it’s INFJ at all.
Try watching infj circle, I think it's called. He's quite good
Always been fascinated by n divergent people. "Dating on the Spectrum " a TV favorite. Enjoy Spectrum people usually.
No. It's a defined personality type. The expressed traits DO often overlap, but are consistent and, more important for the most part CONTROLLABLE by the INFJ. Neurodivergent describes a more inconsistent and mainly UNCONTROLLABLE series of traits related to cognitive structure and function. It definitely seems to be possible to be both, but that needs to be determined on an individual basis.
There is no need for a debate. Neurodivergents are not the same
U would think ... after all these years
All those studies. Yet we drummer then Galliano
INFJ with Asperger's and Borderline Personality Disorder, here. Internally, I'm a cluster f**k.
Is the feeling of wind on your face a "Texture"?
I might be both?
Even my therapists suspects I might have adhd.
I'm not too worried about either.
I have ADD and infj-a lol
I am both autistic AND INFJ. There is a lot of overlap in traits (please stop saying, "symptoms! -- we are not diseased!) but they are not the same thing. Neurodivergence is a difference -- not a disorder -- in synaptics while personality is something else entirely.
Try thinking of neurodivergence as an operating system and personality type is how your page looks to the public.
ADD, AD, BPD, BP. I think there might be a connection 😂
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This really did not address the question at hand. Is there really any difference between being INFJ and being Neurodivergent? More and more, I am thinking that there really doesn't seem to be.
I like being called a psych-o 🤭
What about being an INFJ & diagnosed with adhd?? Send help lol
I guess people would associate ADHD or some other disorders to INFJ but we all know that is not the case. Again we are often misunderstood because of this, people would think of it just because we are different. But we all know deep inside that we really are different to them. You are neurodivergent because thats what you are, not because of disorders.
I don't think that INFJs are any necessarily any more neurodivergent than their outgoing ENFJ protagonist cousins or workplace driven problem solvers like ESTPs. It's the ability of the individual to assess their environments within their own perspectives, formulate strategies and enact them. That can be disruptive or constructive. The real difference is how their approaches and who or what else is their motivation. Being neurodivergent doesn't necessarily factor into and entire grouping because of their scarciiy or traits.
No.
basically all autistics are infjs but all infjs aren’t autistic?
Couldn't I be respected as the creative, rather intelligent, moderately clever, and individualistic woman I am instead of labelled with terms that mean nearly nothing? I've been asking one thing since I was in grammar school (now more than 60 yrs ago!) is it so wrong to be different and see the world in a different way?
I don't like how modern science picks souls to pieces, really don't. To quote JRR Tolkien ' He that breaks a thing to find out what is within has left the path of wisdom!'
So everyone finally figured out most or all infj are introverts
I must be neurodivergent because the standard average are narcissists who enjoy being mean to this highly sensitive yet robust and often psychic empath, so surely because I think and feel different, my neural pathways must also be wired different from the average.folk.
Second; Most people do not know what autism or neurodivergent entails.
Also, you say INFJ's like to be on their own! That's not entirely true! As are neurodiversed people diverse and not only this or that!
I like and need time on my own! But at the same time I also like to be among people! It only depends on the people! And I think most of the INFJ's like to be among like-minded people with room to retreat when necessary!
My daughter like to be in crowded places with happy upbeat music! But alone! Alone in between lots of people! She enjoys the atmosphere, the music and the people just are a part of the decoration! After that, she likes to be on her own. In her head. Just like me! So there are all kinds of situations that can give nuances to both what the INFJ wants and what a neuro-divert someone wants, without diverting from the main thread!
I have skizophrenia and infj
No, not all. It’s like saying all intelligent people are autistic.
Although there are similarities, all people have them in stronger or lesser form, and most are a plus not a minus! :)
Infj Empath and also autistic.