The Lurker and The Original Universe | Three Body Problem Series
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2023
- The Three-Body Problem series is one of the best trilogies of science fiction books that I’ve read in recent years, but in this video, we will be discussing its spinoff, Redemption of Time. Redemption of Time was written by Baoshu, and continues the storyline of the Three-Body Problem universe. It mainly follows the character Tianming, the only character in the original series to ever make direct contact with the Trisolarans. Redemption of Time describes his time among the Trisolarans and how he was visited by a powerful entity that gave him knowledge about the nature of the universe. In this video, we will mainly discuss the nature of the original universe and how it began to collapse. In Redemption of Time we learned that the original, 10-dimensional universe before it began to collapse was constructed upon energy exchange between photons, it was a universe of light.
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Same here!
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in the three body problem are higher dimensions than the 10th dimension
I want to say "I click on Quinn instantly whenever I see three-body problem." But...honestly, I do the same for Anihilation, Dune, Hyperion, that time he did Lovecraft, and others. Quinn never disappoints.
Never disappoints!
Same here but i save the videos for an hour or so, that way i can wake up a little more and make coffee.
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Same and for SCP stuff too
I love how science fiction, when pushed to its absolute cosmic frontiers and extremes, loops back to mythology.
Reminds me of a quote from Arthur Clarke.
You're absolutely right.
The end of science is theology and the end of theology is science.
Beautiful story stretching to the limits of knowledge, after that its filled with senseless imagination, theology etc. Beautiful anyway
@MatthiasPendragon:
*nods head*
@GT-012:
"Senseless imagination" is the cornerstone of many innovations.
Quinn is literally the only channel that covers Three Body Problem the way it deserves.
Couldn’t agree more
i understand why people like the ideas but tbh this series is really poorly written. It's also got lots of subtly pro-CCP messaging.
@@numberonedadgo watch rambo then big boy.
@@numberonedad I mean it is a chinese novel so of course it has pro CCP shit in it
@@numberonedad- So?! 😂 Do you have any idea how much pro-American propaganda gets shoved into literally EVERY facet of our lives, from birth to death?! From the time we are 5yrs old, they have us "pledging allegience" to our country. Before we even know WTF that means! All of our entertainment is drowning w/propaganda ffs, but you wanna call out a Chinese man for having subtle pro-CCP messaging in his novels?! Get over yourself! You probably don't even know what a puppet YOU are for our pro-Police State here! And our pro-military industrial complex government! And our pro-Fascist & Oligarchic society! You support ALL of that I'm willing to bet... but then have the nerve to complain that somebody else is too proud of THEIR gov't. Yeah ok. lmao
The idea that what we know as the basic state of the universe being the ruins of an ancient, suicidal war is probably one of the most grim, harrowing idea in all of science fiction.
I love that they include the concepts of dimensional collapse as an explanation of the universal epochs dating to the big bang that line up nicely with the time each age lasted
I hadn't thought of that! Brilliant. Cixin and Baoshu are genius.
@@emmanuelfernandes5610 it was only as they described the time each dimension existed for it began to click for me, especially made sense for 10 dimensional to be eternal with a perfect balance and infinite speed, would be a perfect description of the singularity prior to the "bang" especially when coupled to the concept of time being born.
@@mortekrieger2291my head hurts
According to our own mathematics, the big bang era universe would certainly collapse into a black hole, but that assumes both our current value of c and same number of dimensions. Also the extreme inflation of the early universe may well have been space itself unfolding into lower dimensions, masically increasing its lower dimensional cross section. The early universe therefore may have been much tinier than a proton
@@thesenate1844 im gonna stop you right there, chief.
"The original universe was infinite and yet only existed for an instant." - Truly something marvelous and incompressible to our human minds ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
The 10th dimension is kind of like a 'seed' in programming terms.
The seed determines what happens, how it happens, where it happens and when it happens when it comes to simulations, it can also determine attributes as well.
The lurker sounds like some kind of glitch that threw the whole simulation into whack, or maybe a feature functioning outside of the seeds determination for the purpose of making it so that the simulation has to restart eventually so that a new seed can be born, however the mini universes that advanced civilizations make to protect themselves act as a form of corruption in the files and cause each iteration to be less and less stable, another analogy could be a memory leak causing lag, the dimensional collapse results in more lag and memory leakage basically making something that should be instant take time to happen, the more dimensions that collapse the more lag until there's a total reboot.
The 10th dimension was a photo copy of everything all at once
I've been learning about exponential equations lately and wanted to add something:
Pretty much if something is reduced by half over and over it never reaches 0 and will go on indefinitely, so it seems like in this case there's an infinite variable that is dependent on a finite variable, once the finite variable hits 0, it and the infinite variable reset to where they began, the finite variable is there to pretty much be like, "okay, I've reached a point I can't go past, lets start again" and it reboots.
Without that variable to reach 0 time would slow down exponentially, until it would have appeared to have stopped to higher dimensional beings, and if the universe was a simulation eventually the whole thing would crash no matter the computing device running it, so the reset variable is there to prevent things getting to that point.
Whatever the force of nature (variable) is that resets the universe at a specific point is, is truly incomprehensible. It's there but there's no way to measure it or perceive it without being outside of time and space (essentially, existing outside of dimensional reality), you can see what effect it has, but not the thing itself, like someone invisible picking up an object in front of you, you know the what (object floating seemingly on its own) but not the how (the person picking it up).
Reality is every possibility, every configuration, everything that can possibly be imagined all happening at the same time. That's the full body of reality. But we can only experience one part of it at a time. 😂
@@PlayOfLifeOfficial thank you, you did a way better job of explaining it than i could. Observing it would be like a picture of everything ever, all at once.
In Dante's Divine Comedy, Lucifer rebels against God and is thrown to Earth, the impact of his body creating a crater so deep it made a mountain on the other side of the planet. This crater has 9 rings.
The lurker in the 10th dimension doing a rebellion and resulting in 9 dimensions sounds similar.
You Quinn are single-handedly responsible for expanding my novel collection with so many amazing new additions. Thank you Sir.
People trash Redemption of Time a lot and sometimes justifiably so, but it did have a lot of cool ideas in it, like the compression of time and the speed of light in higher dimensions. If you can take the good and forget the bad then I'd say it's worth it.
What would you say the bad is?
@@user-bn6ht5eg4q Lots of little things, but mostly the ending.
The universe basically resets and plays out all over again, but different because of the matter left behind in the mini-universe. Sophon was in the mini-universe for like a bajillion years, so she comes out and goes to current year Earth, assumes the appearance of a Japanese pornstar that Tianming liked, and finds Tianming in the new universe. She tells him the entire story of the old universe, which he then writes down and publishes as a trilogy of novels called Remembrance of Earth's past under the pen name Cixin Liu.
So the original author of the books is a reincarnation of his own character in our real, non-fictional universe and the novels are actually 100% factual and even prophetic.
So that left a bad taste in my mouth but milage may vary.
@@user-bn6ht5eg4q the entirety of the story. Making Sophon modeled after a literal living porn star. Making the trisolarins ants. Amateur grade writing. Taking a story that was based in realistic (mostly) sci fi and turning into science fantasy.
Redemption of Time should have stayed someone's private fanfic. It should've never become part of remembrance of earth's past.
@@DavidTheGnome69 I could not agree more. The book was amateur, at best. Had no place being included in Cixin Liu's masterwork.
事实上这部同人作品甚至阻止了作者刘慈欣写本来应该有的第四部
I like the story of the lurker because it fits with what I image a sethian gnostic demiurge would be like, and the remnant consciousness becomes his archons and then eventually material worshipers/slaves like humans and other life forms and singer.
Yes, that is exactly how I read it.
I like your big words funny man.
Now we’re in my wheelhouse…..my brain is very much about that
Reminds me of the Boognish :)
Whoah, Gnosticism is a very interesting and fitting angle for this series.
The fact that this show exists and has been this consistent is a minor miracle.
To me, it felt like the lurker was destroying the 10D universe by cutting the edenic universe with time. Or rather, the lurker introduced the concept of time, thereby introducing the moment of beginning of an action and the end of said action. In a perfect universe where every action occurred instantly, this was devastating.
I had never heard of the 3 body problem until the last week or so, now I am obsessed by it, I searched CZcams and ended up here😊
So am I, it's very captivating
Yo, same. My mind jair being awoken to all that lives out there in the stars. It’s so scary vs the what Star Wars/ dune paints the outer worlds
It seems that the 10 dimensional universe cannot be understood by logic.
How can something without time ever change?
Full mind-blowing.
Yeah, first thing that occurred to me was that the 10D universe was instantly and eternally doomed, because it was a universe that allowed a being like the Lurker to exist.
“How can something without time *ever* change”?
First you have to remove the “ever” from the question, as without time, there is not “ever”. There just “is”.
Ergo: the answer to your question is simple -> the 10D universe was doomed from the beginning (as another comment said).
It's perfection it didnt need to change ,but it's more like theres no time because theres infinite speed so things change so much so fast it was forever inside the universe
@@danielcesar664 true, but no time is the same as no change.
Change is necessary. It might not be good change, but realizing what constitutes a bad change forces you to find what a good change is.
Stagnation is never good.
@@antibull4869 but everything was alive i don't know if our human minds can understand the idea of a universe where everything is alive
I've always found the concept of timelessness and eternity fascinating.
What the Three Body Problem describes as the 10th dimension almost sounds like the biblical heaven described by Revelation.
No it doesn’t
@@michaelking9818care to explain?
@@henrychoo3879 Timelessness and 10 dimensions in an expanding universe ,we perceive time because we are mortal , string theory up to 18 dimensions now just maths building on maths doesn’t make it right.
Haven't read the book but just had this thought.
Imo the scariest reason the Lurker could have for destroying the edenic universe would be just boredom. Like it's technically infinite time in there, so maybe it got too used to it's universe, not knowing it's pretty much the best possible existence, and so launched the first dimension strike.
Just for something different to happen
It's hard to wrap our human heads around the concept of 'infinite'. The only option is that it ends or it doesn't, but over an infinite amount of 'time' every possibility occurs so therefore if dimensional collapse was possible then it would 100% happen!
@@TheBonzobonzo How I would understand infinity is that it does not start or end, it just is. Infinity is everything and nothing else.
This is the type of shit that makes me LOVE science. Real life science is just as incomprehensible as anything in sci-fi. Because we still don’t fuckin KNOW so much about our own universe!! ❤❤❤
You initially introduced me to The Remembrance of Earth’s Past series through your videos and I have since read through it twice now. Your appreciation and passion for grand space operas is infectious and I hope you continue your amazing work for a long time. Thank you for everything you do.
Man, when Quinn has his Ideas, i swear they are never bad ones! I love this channel! Quinn has opened my mind up to a universe of science fiction that i knew very little about! Thank you man, for real!
Loving the three body content lately :). Quinn, I would love to see a video on other books you recommend people read if they like the three body series.
This
Quinn doesn't really do recommendations. But i read blindsight based on his video about it. It was worth it. Generally speaking if he has à video about something, you can go for it even before watching the video if you want to avoid spoilers.
@@thomasfevre9515 thanks, I’ll check that out.
I hear the intro song and I'm instantly in a great mood. Best wishes from Poland. Thanks for all the hours of amazing content.
Love all of your 3 Body videos !! Such a great series !
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I wonder if Bao Shu was influenced by the Kabbalistic idea of the Tree of Life. The 10 spheres each getting dimmer with the divine light from the endless down to the sphere of the Kingdom/Matter.
Quinn has led me to more than a couple amazing series and his breakdowns are so precise and accurate put in the most eloquent way. His breakdowns are top notch and always appreciate his content.
Congratulations on the new graphic novel Quinn! I hadn’t heard of The Tree-Body Problem books before you, and I am sceptically yet super excited for the upcoming series.
Hey Quin! Just wanted to say that I've just recently found you're channel and I absolutely love it!! Probably watched like 90% of you're content at this point in a mad binge Ive been doing the last few days and I can say for certain that I'm gonna be buying and attempting to read the Dune Saga, The Foundation and the Three Body Problem series etc listening to you discuss the concepts, themes and philosophy of these books is so endlessly fascinating and I can't wait to hear about more amazing stories you find! Keep up the amazing work man
this is exactly what i did and now 3BP is my favorite sci fi series ever. best of luck to you!! deaths end is my fav
I will absolutely say that Quinn's videos massively elevated the enjoyment and appeal of the 3 body Problem series to me. All credit to the incredible ideas and thought experiments explored in those books, absolutely top shelf stuff, but to me they were not enjoyable experiences to get through due to how it writes its characters and sometimes massively undersells its own ideas with baffling narration choices. Like I don't think we should have ever heard any alien actually speak with their own voice when the VR world was such a perfect way of maintaining that level of abstraction and mystery. Quinn, however, really hones in on what parts of these books are absolutely amazing and perfectly conveys his enthusiasm for them, and it's infectious. I'm hoping the Netflix show keeps all the amazing stuff but does away with a lot of the more cringeworthy character moments.
So glad to be watching your continued success. The Redemption of Time seems like the book to sustain me if I start reading this series.
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The way you look at books is so refreshing. It makes me look at allot of stories from a diffrent angle. Making it a totally different experience
I will never tire of you speaking about the TBP series.
Oh, and I also just ordered the signed HC version of the book. Loved your last one and I'm sure I'll love this one too.
This. This is why I love your channel so damn much. Thank you Quinn.
Love your work, my man. Found you in the dark of the high pandemic and thrilled for your glow up ever since. You and 3BP is the best combo.
Dang it’s 7:55am and I have to get ready for work,but still clicked instantly! Also any hard science video I am there for. Thanks Quinn, have a great Thanksgiving holiday!
We need more Redemption of Time videos!!! Thank you so much for this one, even if I have read is several times your videos are still very enjoyable!
Your ideas help me understand the books and the movies on a much deeper level. Thanks!
Love watching a new Quinn video in the morning before work or in the evening after.
Nothing better than listening to a great host talking about some of my favourite works of fiction with a hot cup of tea!
Cheers as always for the videos, Quinn. Come my next payday, I plan to buy my niece your new graphic novel for Christmas! She loves your videos, too, keep up the great work!
I love the dedication and work you put on this, truly, this is top tier content!
excellent job explaining this book. I know when I was reading it I had to pause more then once to really think about what was being said and just how fantastic the entire concept was.
Quinn, you never fail. Every upload is a banger.
Thank you for posting this. Fascinating to watch
I'm so excited for more coverage of Redemption of Time! It definitely has the biggest, most interesting ideas in the whole series, imo!
As a person that travels a LOT. I just wanted to say thank you Quinn, you have transformed completely what I listen to when I travel. Music was never enough.
Literally the only channel whose videos I watch religiously. Moreso when its 3 body problem! Cant wait to get paid and put in the order for your book!
Clicked so fast.
Didn't even realize it was so new
Reason I read the three body problems series is because of this channel.
Thank you 🙏. I loved it.
Thought it was 10 months ago. Had to double back like heeeey 😅 its 10 minutes ago, sweet.
same here
@@jamesmaclean7346me too!
I stuck around after critiquing a video a while ago and let me say, you’ve Improved so much Quinn. Well done.
wasnt expecting a new episode on the three body problem but im not disappointed
dude you are a genius! Keep up the good work Quinn! You are one of the best creators on youtube and very very smart!
Feeling amazing that i arrived at the conclusion about timelessness before you explained 😊❤
Quinn is the only guy I have notifications for because his stuff is the best. I don't even want to read the books cuz him telling me about them is so good.
OMG FINALLY a video about the 4th book !!
Who’s watching this after a long night instead of after waking up!!??!!
Just got off work n was up 6 hours before
I've been waiting for this. 😮
Thank you Quinn for all your works man it's absolutely Amazing
The TriSolarens as insectlike themselves is a fascinating concept from Redemption of Time that actually answers some questions from the original three books. It's my hope to see you explore that more in-depth in the future. I enjoyed the Chinese Series very much.
I think the original idea for them may be based on water bears and incidentally may be a secondary link to the droplet.
The main link is the juxtaposition between the fragility of the 3 body system and the incredibly strong structure of the droplets.
These are truly fascinating concepts and part of why I enjoy science and science fiction so much. I wish our school system would do more to get young people interested in this kind of material.
These books, along with Hyperion saga are the best sci-fi novels I have ever read. So deep, so intriguing, so full of questions and answers. I hope more people will read this to appreciate the brilliant minds of the authors.
Just listening to The Redemption of time. Have to thank you Quinn your videos prompt me to listen to the Three Body Saga. Great Sci-Fi. Food for thoughts.
You showed me this book series and I absolutely loved it thank you
Quinn has become my favorite CZcamsr no other person explains sci-fi books like him
The author is a genius at this. Or at least so you make it seem. Well done Quinn
(Eyebrow raised) “Fascinating, Captain.”
This is an amazing concept. I hope we'll see more such stories in this universe.
Just found your channel brother. I usually listen to the dark somnium but I’m loving how you tell these. Much love.
Quinn! You have a great voice for narrating. Love your vids 💞
i love your editions, great job
Excellent as always keep it up❤
Regarding "the lurker's motive:" given infinite possibilities (infinite time - or lack thereof) everything must happen. Every thought must be thought, every imagining imagined.
The more interesting question than "what will happen to our remains when the universe goes dark" is the hard problem of consciousness, which might be posed "how are we even having these experiences," to which the 10D being might be seen as parallel to "we are the universe experiencing itself."
As an aside, "A Paradise Built in Hell" really refutes the idea that splinters among ruins turn hostile towards each other. Civilization is predicated on cooperation, which itself is predicated on empathy and compassion, and civilizations must eventually become capable of self annihilation. Hence, it seems very safe to assume that a civilization with insufficient compassion eventually self-annihilates.
Hey Quinn, I read these books on your earliest examination videos of them. They are my favorite modern sci fi and one of the best overall sci fi titles. Thanks!
Hah! Somehow you manage to make videos on the topics I actually think about myself. Very convenient. :)
Greetings from Vienna, Austria!
That was fantastic. You have so much talent.
Great discussion. Thank you Quinn !
What a delightful surprise!
Amazing series…. Amazing analysis and dissection of the plot. You know what was such a head trip for me? I heard, for the first time, Sprit Box’s song ‘Sun Killer’ for the first time RIGHT as I was in the middle of reading the part where Earth got the confirmation that Luo Ji’s ‘spell’ worked.
A star was destroyed along with all the potential sentient hiding life in that system. Sun Killer indeed.
Listening to spirit box and reading at the Same time sounds very difficult lol good for you
@@Dr.Gainzzzlmao no shit right! I tried reading my warhammer 40k novels while listening to sleep token and quickly realized i can do one or the other, but not both! Highly jealous but extremely respected on that!
We love you. Thank you for entertaining us and getting our brains going :)
Mathematically speaking, a universe that goes on forever also creates infinite possibilities within infinite time. When thinking about the Lurker in regards to this, the idea of such an evil existing is no longer an anomaly, but rather a statistical inevitability.
Also, weirdly enough upon futher thought, the forever state of the ten dimensions and there following collapse to 3 dimensions sounds more akin to the big bang and a universe going from "a single unified point" to "expanding into darkness".
The Netflix show brought me here. Quinn’s amazing narrative skills got me to buy the books. Liked and subscribed!
There is a very clever hidden reference to Paradise Lost here, way back in the day it became popular among the Clergy to speculate how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, since they were immortal. It very quickly became popular to throw out huge numbers, with Eden lasting hundreds or thousands of years.
John Milton turned this on its head, and in Paradise Lost he has Gabriel reveal to Adam and Eve that they were in the Garden for two hours before they fell to Sin, however, as they were in the presence of God this time is essentially meaningless, and could well seem far longer than the rest of their lives, as time has very little meaning when one exists in a perfected state.
Your videos inspired me to reading the books. Watching this from Brazil!
If it says Quinn on it, I’m clicking it. You’ve become one of my favorite voices to fall asleep to. Thank you!
Another awesome video!
Gotta say your channel first introduced me to the trilogy and honestly I’ve been obsessed, just finished the dark forest, reading deaths end now
Quinn dropped new three body problem video, time to drop everything I’m doing and sit through it.
another excellent explainer! 👏👏
I love this book so thank you for finally going over it
Yesss I was hoping you’d make a video on this one
Fantastic Video as always!! :) 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 ❤️💖❤️💖
I can’t wait for your breakdown of the abyss gazers!
Finally a community of thinkers, I love this.
Great video! I can’t wait till the Netflix series next year 🥰
Thanks for your efforts!
Your channel is about to explode with the new series coming out.
Quinn please more three body problem videos, I can't get enough....maybe book by book detailed review 😍😍
I bought three body problem today because of these videos thanks Quinn!!!!
I have to be in the right frame of mind for Quinn's videos. I can't just shut my brain off and enjoy... and I kind of love that.
Need more of these
Quinn, I gotta say in the past few months you have definitely become one of my favorite youtubers. No filler, just straight to the sci-fi. You inspired me to read the three body series as well as the children of time series and it has been a blast. Keep up the great work!
You make my brain tingle. ❤
I hope we see more Sapient/Sentient advanced Amoeba, Lichen, Protist, Snail, Liverwort, Nudibranch, Moss, Mould and Archaea civilizations in Science Fiction in Speculative Evolution (or Speculative Biology) settings