Josh Pate On College Football's Future (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- College Football saw radical changes last week on several fronts, and on Late Kick Live Ep 516 Josh Pate shared some thoughts on the latest news regarding revenue sharing and the tearing down of amateurism in collegiate athletics. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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College football went from "student athletes" to "unrestricted free agency without a salary cap" in a couple of years. Yeah, there's going to be some growing pains. Yeah, it's going to turn folks off to the game as well.......If you don't like it now, wait until private equity gets involved. Private equity demands a return on investment.
SO humble. Gangster man. Thanks for reminding me your my # 1 show for CFB. Life's been busy...
Just like cancer. If you profit off of the treatment of cancer then why would you want a cure for it? This analogy fits what he said around the 11min mark as well unfortunately.
Who specifically are the "bad actors" that Josh is talking about? ESPN? FoxSports?
No he’s talking about the hundreds of athletic administrators that collect a paycheck for the work that their coaches and players do
I have always wondered why Vanderbilt was still playing football in the SEC. Except for three years under James Franklin, they haven't been competitive in a century. Do the other SEC teams keep them around so they can play a "conference" game and have it be for all intents and purposes a bye week?
Academics......Vandy existed solely to prop-up the SEC's academics.
And baseball
More sports than just football, Vandy is a perennial baseball powerhouse and has a more than decent basketball program. That and money
No, you are not a G5 hater. What you said is about to happen. More talent will be concentrated in fewer teams.
As an alumni and a dad of a very large ACC school, as well as a resident of a very large growing state that does not have the power 2 involved in it…we have been told over and over by the”CZcams experts” that my school is tier 2 at best.
So if we are relegated to a place where we cannot have a chance to play for a chance for a national playoff berth, I will check out from this sport completely.
And I don’t think I’m alone in this type of thinking.
This is the thing and this is the opinion that ESPN and Fox Sports should take note of when they’re figuring out which schools and which conferences they want to promote!
I will not check out from my school, just not watch any of the other “big” games.
THIS! You're CONTRACTING both the geographic/conference footprint as well as the breadth of competitive hope, which is the lifeblood of the major pro sports it appears top end CFB appears to want to emulate. I'm an alum of a Pac 12 institution, and I live near another major institution that defected.
My conference, and with it 5-7 opportunities to engage with my alma mater, its students and parents, and fellow alums, is now gone. Those contests are now relocated east, something none of the stakeholders asked for. For the flagship institutions of the SEC and B1G, nothing really changes. But our conference literally relocated. I already started voting with my dollars, as the day UCLA AND USC bolted was the LAST day I paid for a monthly bundle. If there's a game I want to see, I'll check it out at the local sports bar. However, my engagement and investment in college athletics as a whole will not be as it was, and I'm not alone. We're the silent (national) majority
It will get much, much worse before it gets better.
But maybe someday it will. Maybe someday we’ll have conversations only about what happens on the field, not the money made off it.
The revenue-sharing creates a “floor” for the majority of players. Guaranteed money, distributed by year however schools see fit.
But we still haven’t replaced unregulated NIL. Now, that’s just extra.
yup just look at projected top ten for this year. plenty of money and great facilities. afew others do but not many.
The answer is yes as fans we still care the same, that’s not the problem. The players no longer care.
So true.
Good point
It's a cryin ass shame, but JP is 100% correct. It's never gonna be enough for some people. Unfortunately that number is probably even bigger than most would expect.
Sadly, I got into a back-and-forth with someone on social media (shocking!) about playoff expansion. He (I think it was a guy) was arguing for the expanded playoff because it would help parity. I argued that I wasn't against expansion, but it would make parity worse. I tried unsuccessfully to show that with the number of Big 10 and SEC schools that would have made a 12-team or 8-team playoff and how many G5 schools would still be left out, the gap between the Power 5 (now 4) and the G5 was only going to grow. And this exchange was BEFORE the PAC12 imploded and TX and OU joined the SEC. Add to that the P5-level players who would leave the G5 schools to get more NIL money at a Power school and it's a wrap for the G5. They should have their own division.
G5 should’ve been had their own division and championship
The division should only exist if relegation can be enforced. UVA and VT should not have access to the resources and the path for a National Title when Liberty and JMU are operating more efficiently with less. Liberty and JMU should have a way to earn better resources for their program when lower level P5s are not punished for mediocrity.
@@davidboniface858 VT is NOT lower level and mediocre! 2 bad years, yes, but come on.
@@chrisg4931 4 seasons below. 500 since 2016 is not 2 bad years
@@davidboniface858 but what did they do from 1993-2017…a pretty good sample size. and oh, Except for Covid year…bowl games EACH of those years.
We do t have the same old Saturday’s we’ve always had. If you’ve gone to or watched a game the flow is broken because of commercials. My attention is waining as a fan. I sit for so long at the games and mute so many commercials
Greed has become a huge problem in the country and affects every industry, especially entertainment. The way everything from music to video games to sports to movies has changed the last decade is absolutely WILD ...
G5 have no real desire to break off. Again it may sound good to some on service but from a fan, alum and financial supporters, absolutely better to stay put. Even if its at disadvantage. You dont see VANDERBILT looking to leave just so they can win more.
Love the show! I played at Troy and I initially disagreed with your position on G5 programs and their future. As the situation has evolved I’ve come to accept that the G5 will be relegated to a second tier simply because they cannot expect to compete with the P4 programs. There is a lane for us to occupy and have success, but there is no way to protect our rosters on a yearly basis already and it’s only going to get worse. Change is inevitable
It’s semi-pro football. No more scholarships for athletes because they will easily be able to pay their own way. Give the scholarship money to students who want an education and need financial help. The team names should stay the same just drop the college affiliation.
Out of curiosity....what current G5 teams would you bring to the P4????
Group of 5 league and playoff would be so much fun to watch. Also, would eliminate cupcake games. Would be a perfect situation
I think a good structure of college football would be something very modeled after the soccer leagues, where your best teams start in the best league and the next tier is in the next one etc. and every on you took a portion of the bottom and top sides of the leagues every year and shift them where the competition is most the time pretty even. Just an idea
The IRS are kicking their chops to go after these players. Family members too. If pros have a tough time with gold digging relatives and harlots, imagine these kids😂😂😂.
Teams like Vanderbilt and South Carolina should be watching their backs the next few seasons to come
RIP College Football... I will miss my favorite sport.
It doesn't matter about the disparity. I'd much rather watch Alabama play Cincinnati in the playoff on a rare occasion... (Even if Cincy isn't a part of it now.) Than watch Tulane vs. Utah State for the new G5 "national championship." It would just make the G5 the NEW FCS. And I don't care about watching the Current FCS. Even its national championship. And that's what will happen to the G5. No one will care if it isn't somehow involved with the rest of the FBS. No big TV contract will happen. Millions and millions of viewers won't happen. Basically NOBODY will care. (Except those directly involved. Which is how it is for the current FCS.)
Most people don't care about G5 teams anyways lol
@@jarretthoogerhyde1633 Yeah and it would be worse if they never played bigger games. Like when Tulane beat USC in the Cotton Bowl. I thought that was hilarious. lol.
I care about it and appreciate this content
NIL is not going way. That $20 million is peanuts for the university to pay athletes.
NIL is where the athletes will still make their money. Players are still leaving schools each year to chase the bag
This ordeal shows the greed of people. I believe nothing good will come of this, these funds should go to lower college fees
Wait until private equity gets imbedded in the game. That's going to be a disaster. People don't invest without wanting something in return.....
The G5 is ridiculous not having their own playoffs.
I'll continue enjoying college football no matter what.
Wouldn't that be part of the definition of "news" something that interests the viewer?
Not buying the Iowa St AD comments. If anyone think the SEC cannot turn off a large segment of the fans just try and drop programs like Kentucky, Mississippi St, Mississippi from the conference and there will be some backs turned on the SEC. Those programs aren't elite in football but all of college athletics isn't solely about 1 sport. That would be a HUGE mistake by the SEC.
I just wish they would move the playoff to 6-8 teams. 12 waters down the regular season and the playoff.
The incentives are wishful thinking. With the way competition works, certain conferences will leave them out to attract more talent. Conferences will stop the incentives to avoid a disadvantage.
Title 9 won't be an issue. Just have the athletic department claim football is a woman's sport.
Worked for Will Thomas.
This is the part where we say, “Okay. You finally got what you wanted. Can you stop crying now and let’s just go play football please?” But I think we all know the answer to that.
I think Josh hit the nail on the head with this one teams like that will never reach the top 4 in the playoffs, a good season for them is 10-2 with losses to programs in sec or big 10
As an ND alumnus I care about college athletics. I am deeply saddened by the fact that the term student-athlete is becoming an oxymoron. I knew some ND players. They lived in the same dorm as a geek like me. They were good players. But they had marginal NFL careers. Fortunately their education enabled them to thrive in other careers. No matter how much you pay these athletes, most of them will not have a thriving professional athletic career, and are doomed to be marginalized after they stop playing their sport. It’s a hideous disservice to them, and in the case of football and basketball, the colleges have become just a cheap farm league for the NFL or NBA.
Dont know what title 9 is gotta look up
So the SEC should boot Vandy and Mizzou and pick up Clemson and FSU
Basically, not Mizzou though.
Mizzou too good
These pod cast analysts like our government, college football will be just fine. LOL
At the end of the day, this all comes back to the issue of college football (and all professional sports) being a monopoly.
There’s no DIRECT competitor league fighting for our viewership, driving the NCAA/conferences to make decisions WE want.
This is why unions exist in the NFL and NBA. When you don’t have natural competition, the leagues are a monopoly and can do whatever they want to their employees, and make whatever decisions they want without concern of losing their customers to a direct competitor. Unions should not have to exist in the US.
Yes, NCAAF has indirect competitors. We could lose interest and go watch something else (baseball, American idol, etc)
But that’s completely different than having a direct competitor offering the same product.
The indoor football league. Arena league. USFL. Other fall sports. The talent AND public chose CFB. Dominance does not exactly make one a "monopoly." Heck, at many places that contest football at the P5 level, there aren't sellouts, meaning folks have the freedom to choose other things. The issue is that decisions are made by certain executives and lawyers, and there's no input from the alums, students, athletes, even donors.
@@TheArenaRevised false.
A monopoly is literally a company that has “dominant” control over an industry. The USFL and arena leagues aren’t even close.
Once a company has no competition, they have no direct incentive to benefit their employees or customers.
@@TheArenaRevised also, comparing P5 schools vs P5 schools doesn’t matter when they are all part of the same organization.
There’s no league to compete directly with NCAAF, so they can just do whatever they want.
If you really think those people are going to make less money. I have some magic beans to sell you
The $20 MM is NOT just for football.
Dors revenue sharing eliminate NIL? No? Then nothing at all changes. As long as we have NIL and the same recruiting model, we basically have an NFL with no draft and no salary cap. Yes, people are going to watch next season. And the season after. But this is the beginning of a cancer that, over 20 years, is going mutate college football into a very ugly thing.
Hey not sure how this working as long as they get paid from tv deals the players and not my tickets and beer prices at games once they go up to more outrageous numbers guess who spending money on nice new TV and done going to watch the games in person.
If anyone doesn’t want players to get paid basically is vouching for free labor…none of yall would work for free ever..
Who are the "bad actors"? Can you name names?
He probably can’t say because he’d get in trouble. But I think it’s somewhat obvious who he’s talking about if you pay attention to some of these media people. People like Nick Wright, Stephen A, Laura Rutledge, Finebaum, Marcus Spears, Skip Balis, RG3. These are all people that talk out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to lot of topics but also college athletes in particular. They say things like these athletes are grownups that deserve to have all the money they want and be able to transfer at any given time. And then the moment those same athletes make a poor choice and ruin their careers or even lives, it’s “well they’re just kids.” 😐
Cough cough Greg Sankey
But Josh is too dedicated to the SEC cause to speak out
Jeffrey Kessler. Jordan Bazant. Jay Bilas. The think tank attorneys cheering on the burning down of everything. Big 10 and SEC commissioners. That's where I'll start.
He won't say because he doesn't want to lose his sources.
Ask any activist for any cause what happens when you let your guard down and assume your hard earned rights and dues are safe and sound and everyone can go home.
Enough will never be enough because there will always be people looking to undermine everything your predecessors had to fight and suffer for. Shame on you and this twisted rhetoric of yours.