Why is it so Hard to CLONE Force Users
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2020
- When it comes to cloning making duplicates of your favorite jedi or sith warrior was quite hard. We take a close look at cloning technology in star wars and figure out what its limitations are.
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It helped Darth Sidious a great deal that Darth Tenebrous was an accomplished engineer and that Darth Plagueis in addition to being a filthy rich banker and financial investor was also an accomplished biologist.
I really liked how the banite sith became scientists, entrepreneurs, doctors, politicians etc
@@thirdplanet4471 They actually largely ruled galaxy before the Empire. That was in fact why Bane was a genius.
*the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be... unnatural*
This pretty much explains it in my eyes
@@user-mv3qm4qh8l I don't think so. They all seemed genuinely skilled at what they did. The Force may have given them some edge though...
Actually, the Jedi did study the force rather heavily. Their studies were just extremely limited to the light side. The study of the dark side was considered taboo, as it was often dark side research that led to a fall of a Jedi.
They study the Force, not process behind the Force. Also split on light and dark side is largely artificial and it wasn't core reason for the ban.
@@TheRezro That's if t subscribe to the theory of the Unifying Force. If you subscribe to the theory of the Living Force (according to The Clone Wars, the theory behind returning as a Force Ghost), there is a strict demarcation between the Light Side and the Dark Side.
X1 and X2, clones of Jedi knight Falon Grey from SW Battlefront Elite Squadron
Now I remember bf3 now I’m sad 😞
@Parked_CarYT sorry dude
I bought that game just for nostalgia
@Battle Beets cool
What Is Bf3? I Forgot
TROS is pretty much Diet ver. of Dark Empire.
Son: Can we have Dark Empire?
Mom: We have Dark Empire at home.
Dark Empire at home: The Rise of Skywalker
+Saemin Kang Very true that's why Tom Veitch the writer for Dark Empire lambasted and roasted Lucasfilm and Rise of Skywalker on Twitter not that long ago.
Daniel Malanka ( Student ) your point?
Daniel Malanka ( Student ) it was handled way worse in the movie than the books. It shouldn’t have happened in TROS at all.
Daniel Malanka ( Student ) I don’t even know what you’re saying
@@danielmalankastudent7830 First of you missing the point. Also that he was is confirmed in other sources and that is one of least issues of that movie.
His arms are flailing THE DOLPHINS GOT TO HIM HE'S UNDER THEIR CONTROL
Grab the pollution gun we must save him
Someone light the beacons and alert Japan.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Again... thought Allen wouldnt allow himself to be caught a 2nd time.
Idk chicken
Where do you get these 80's workout Playlists
Because before there were midichlorians, the Force used to be an energy field, hard to clone that.
True, but couldn't a regular clone have been infused with said energy in Legends to make a force sensitive clone? Also, wouldn't something similar be theoretically possible in canon via the combination of standard cloning and midichlorian manipulation? If not, why not?
Midichlorians I think are supposed to be a way to interact with the energy field.
@@TheRenegade... Yeah. That's precisely what they do. They're like force mitochondria. Just like how mitochondria are the powerhouses of the cells, midichlorians in Star Wars are the powerhouses of the soul.
I think midiclorians are a ripe of good bacteria in the DNA
@@darthmalgus1012 Midichlorians function like cellular organelles if there was a cellular organelle that could interact with a metaphysical energy field. This could explain why dark side users especially Sith Lords suffer physical degradation. They channel excessive energy and their Midichlorians become overtaxed resulting in something like force free radicals to flood the physical body. It would explain why so many powerful dark side users basically look like terminal cancer patients.
Allen didn't wave, he racially abused those damn Alien Dolphins
3:07 except for that one time when a "certain" group of people accidentally burned down the library of Alexandria
The senate is to powerful to be cloned indefinite
Yes I agree
@@darthambystoma1038 Dark Empire Palpatine disagrees
He should have told the clones the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise
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Illegal move, he could control an entire galaxy by telling that story to everyone.
@@vitorkennedy1862 well at least it isn't sequel Palpatine and oh yeah forgot about the dark empire your right
So no one is going to mention the wavey arms thing
there are so many comments that were before yours that mentioned it
@@doglover334 Thanks for taking the time to point that out. Remind me to buy you a pint next time I see you.
@@DimBeam1 what a lovely champ
9:43 LMAO it must have taken em a good while to practice saying that planets name! XD
*Earth Scientist:* Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the Cell!
*Star wars scientist:* Midichlorians is the powerhouse of the Cell!
How did you go back in time a whole year to steal my joke? Space wizard!
Gotta love Alan's wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man impression.
1:00 lmao was that intended to be a voice over 🤣
Hey Alan, a thought occurred to me. Is there any reason why genetic augmentation is never discussed in Star Wars? Since cloning is relatively easy wouldn't it stand to reason that it would be possible to give people genetically enhanced strength, intelligence, etc?
9:48 I respect you for that
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I guess you can say that the people who tried to do cloning couldn't "force" themselves into trying harder to get the "force" into clones.
Going to be leaving now....😅😅
The yislamari live on the planet *gaging sound*
Just as I click the video, the garbage truck decided to come down my street
Whatttt???
the Goat it actually came down the street so I couldn’t hear half of this
someone has yet to discover the PAUSE feature thats been on media for what? 100years?
Pulls out Lightsabre, I am bought to end this guys whole year!
Don't think I didn't see you wiggling your arms
The dolphins were holding him hostage
Actually Palpatine's clone bodies had been sabotaged by Carnor Jax, one of his Sovereign Protectors and an aspiring Sith Lord. Jax and the Imperial Ruling Council resented having to return power back to Palpatine (who also planned on eventually replacing them all with Dark Jedi enslaved to his will) so they collectively amassed funds to bribe the Emperor's personal physician to sabotage the clones. Palpatine thought it was his pure dark side power rotting his clones, but it was due to Jax's treachery. The ultimate schemer and betrayer in Star Wars was outschemed and betrayed by the very system he'd put into place.
how long till he found out that they were sabatoged?
@@TheManofthecross Palpatine never suspected they had been. He assumed the reason his clones were decaying when he inhabited them was due to his immense power. He died ignorant of the true reason. The conspiracy was revealed to the Jedi and upper ranks of the New Republic by the Physician when they captured him. The conspirators thought that since the physician was the weakest of the Emperor's entourage he'd have died first, unfortunately for them he didn't and one of Palpatine's Royal Guards overheard the confession, told the rest of the Guards left who swore a blood oath to avenge the fallen Emperor. The last Royal Guard eventually fulfilled this oath, killing Jax in personal combat and later getting the Ruling Council captured by the New Republic.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 well that ended. wonder how long till after this palpatine found out about this. and talk about lots of oof on him for being tricked and never knew for shit. wonder if the clones were not sabatoged would they have held up with the force anyway?
@@TheManofthecross They probably wouldn't have lasted long, but the key difference was that by poisoning them and tainting the samples, Palpatine could not make MORE of them. That was ultimately the main thing that drove him to be increasingly reckless and insane in Dark Empire. If the clones genetic material hadn't been sabotaged, Palpatine could have just kept minting them out in perpetuity without worry, since even if they only lasted a short time he would have an endless supply. That was his original goal, but because of Jax's conspiracy that supply became finite and increasingly unstable.
It's symptomatic of the entire system Palpatine built which ran off of greed, ambition and paranoia. He built the Empire to compete and fight each other for position and his favor so that they would always be divided below him. The problem was that after Vader yeeted him into the Death Star II's reactor, Palpatine lost control of the Empire proper for around five years. During that time period everyone tried to gain access to the Throne and some succeeded briefly. When he came back...they didn't want to give up that power to him. The Empire literally destroyed itself with internal power struggles and Warlordism because it was built around the principles of the Dark Side.The very things that brought Palpatine to power also destroyed him.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 hoisted by his own petard in that case.
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Me too! Him and Star wars theory are my favorite star wars youtubers.
So cool. Great video. I love the book Darth Plagueis, so much knowledge.
Think you could make a video on the Hutt Cartel before & after the GCW?
i just want to take a second and point out the legends version of palpatine being cloned was done far better and made alot more sense.
Can you do a video about the Chimera from Resistance vs the Locast from Gears of War?
Which two factions is more deadlier and has more powerful legions?
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Wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man, Wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man, Wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man!
In the TROS novel it states that Palpatine flesh is rapidly decaying over three decades since ROTJ because the cloning process by the Sith Eternal was imperfect along with Palpatine's spirt having to much dark side power.
I figured that was going on.
Wait a sec how many cyborg sith are there gen tech please do a vid on this
And I’m serious I know I’m just a rip-off darth Vader but how many more of us are there
@@darthmalgus1012 Most of them were to some degree and dark side degraded the body.
@@TheRezro Unless you are Malakais. Then you just lost your lower jaw because Revan didn't like your attitude
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In Star Trek, there's a problem called Genetic Drift. It's like constantly photocopying a photocopy. Even with a single copy, the clone itself already experiences a tiny shift in the genetic template. The mitochlorians probably are able to detect this difference and reject the cloned body.
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0:16-I haven't forgotten about Dolly, the clone sheep either
Love your chanel
1:00 He went full wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man!
Just to spread some education to everyone. Although yes, our modern technology is nowhere near where the technology in the Star Wars universe... our cloning is pretty amazing. We can even clone a human successful if we wanted to, the only limitation for that is the fact that we legitimately aren't allowed to for ethical reasons
Did Republic commando's have Inhibitor chips, @generationtech
Almost certainly.
Yes
The wave in the beginning made me join in
Why is Alan (Allen?) a whacky inflatable flailing arm tube man? 1:08
No, he’s being held hostage by the dolphins
1:54
Darth Vectivus:Am I a joke to you?
For Starkiller, he was distracted by his love for Juno. For the Emperor, he wasn't canon.
I like your dancing arms, 1+ subscriber
As solid as the lore behind cloning in Legends is, and the limitations it presents, especially in cloning Force Sensitives, I think there may be some new canon lore that helps flesh this out moving forward in The Mandalorian.
Moff Gideon says before his confrontation with Din Djarin that all he wanted from Grogu was samples of his blood. If an Imperial Moff is wanting the blood of a highly Force Sensitive infant of the same species as Yoda it can really only be for one thing.
This leads to a theory that the experiments Moff Gideon oversaw were what allowed for the creation of Snoke... seeing as how he is essentially a Force Sensitive clone produced to be Palpatine's puppet who would unite people nostalgic for the Empire into the First Order.
Of course, the clone body we see of Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker is a much more flawed creation, given all of the machinery that is keeping him alive until he drains Rey and Ben Solo to regenerate himself. Of course that presents a gaping plot hole... perhaps in Moff Gideon's agenda in The Mandalorian, Jon Favreau is out to fix certain things that have gone wrong lorewise with Star Wars since Disney took it over.
Dude, your freakin' hilarious.
It's the random shit man, busts my gut every time.
Because one cannot clone the force into another. The force can’t be gifted to non-force sensitives unless they’re gifted by powerful force beings like Ones or the Whills of the Force
* And psychotic dark witch rituals.
Timothy lol Dathomir’s a flyby kind of planet
We have murder hornets
Hmm, what are their military-capacity? We may be able to weaponise them against the dolphins and then to take over Earth for the Separat- I mean, just kill the dolphins. Yeah...
IG -100 great idea humanity first
Lethal poison in stingers that can pierce armour and the ability to emit pheromones that gravitate towards mammals and melt them down from the inside upon any physical contact and can replicate in water, alongside enhanced natural aggression would be effectively lethal against the dolphins, and the hu- dolphins. It would kill all the dolphins
I’ll set my medical-droids to work modifying the insects. They do, however, require a group of the hornets in order to do so
Nice
Specimen 1138? DELTA SQUAD FORMING UP
So, do the Yuuzhan Vong have no midichlorians?
Cloning is an evolutionary dead end, besides even if you clone a person you still need an " egg " to implant the genetic material into grow the clone with.
It would have been best just to create a bunch of children and grandchildren to take over when they reach the right size or age.
Well that explains something.
To refer to the last part of Sidious clone body, it likely his spirt was heavy "poison" by the dark side. His original body has grown and adept to amount like how otakesake a small amount of poison over the course of time to grow immunity, that when a big lethal is a dose the body would be able to survive without issue. Sidious spirit has been so corrupt by the dark side, his clone bodies never had a chance to survive since they never had the time to hold such power.
A similar case can be seen with Darth Nox from the old republic MMO. Nox absorb force ghosts to accumulate power but have absorbed too much power too quickly that his/her body was effective dying and mind on the verge of shattering. Nox had to complete rebuilt his/her body to be able to wield such power and learn a force mind healing ritual to resist the force ghosts' influence.
I always thought as long as you hung around a force-user some of his powers rub off on you
Dear Allan I'm curious if you know what happens to the maxi clorieon of taninbris I know when plegus dies he returns to his body do you think some how this could be related to Darth jar jar ?
..................what?
These are facts so taninbris used his maxicloren mentioned in this video to enter plegues body then forsaw the death of plegues by a dark cloud ( Palp) could taninbris and his maxi clorieon be Inside jarjar waiting for his time to rule as the one true sith
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What the HELL was that wavy arms thing. Ur giving me battle of kamino flashbacks.
in Legends: I do not remember well, I think was Darth Tenebrous that create The Chose One and transfer his soul to Anakin's Body, but the Force kinda punish him. I do not remember everything but I remember someone told me this once.
If there was a stand alone plageus eulogy, why do i feel like itd be more of a horror movie than a star wars-esk movie. Plageus looks like a creepy pasta but honestly a horror star wars eulogy for an important sith would be amazing
I'm trying to look up the planet Thrawn found the force bubble lizards on... how do you spell that? Was it glaaak? Or bloargh? Thanks for the help! 😊
Myrkr
That would be Myrkr.
I actually have an idea for a theory: Can force-sensitive clones transfer their consciousness? And I mean clones that already have their own consciousness, not the lifeless bodies already possessed.
Very interesting. It would seem that no matter the universe, when one seeks to tamper with the fabric of life or reality, it always unravels.
And backfires horribly
I like to know the ideal of cloning started
IDK Mr. Tech, I think Starkiller would like to have a word with you
In Legends, Galen Marek aka Starkiller was a legit force user, and in the Force Unleashed sequel his clone appeared to be even stronger
I have a question about cloning, could a clone develope force sensitivitiy, or if you injected a clone with midichlorians (exuse my spelling) could they be force sensetives?
In legends continuity Dooku tried to make Grievous Force-sensitive by injecting blood taken from Sifo-Dyas and that resulted in failure. So it's very hard or even impossible to do this.
@@blueshadow7386 but grevious was actually more robotic and machine
@@TheCanadianLEGOShow He had been a cyborg since he was badly injuried. He still had a part of his organs.
@@TheCanadianLEGOShow And since the plan to transform him into a Force sensitive being failed Dooku turned him into an avanced cyborg .
One Jango clone did develop force sensitivity after he was healed by a race of force using eels, on a planet inhabited by gender-fluid incestiods.
Why didn't they just clone the bad batch?
*Visible Concern*
Idk! Ask filoni why.
A wooly Chris Farley? In Heir To The Empire trilogy it was the force that drove the clones crazy so Thrawn hatched a plan to use the Ysalamir to stop the force from affecting the clones. The Ysalamir cancels the force making it so Jedis and other force wielders can't use them.
I think there are two fundamentals to this issue 1. the internal biological clock of the organism being cloned and 2. preexisting midiclorian samples from the original subject
The first issue is due to the fact that so many clones have accelerated growth periods in order to produce a viable sample in such short times this could cause confusion or out right rejection be the clone as the cells and the midiclorian reproduce at differing rate causing the midiclorian population to be spread unevenly throughout the body.
The second occurs when someone tries to transfuse force powers into the clone because the clone would presumably have it's own set of midiclorians that would reject or conflict against the foreign material/instructions given as the force treat the clone as a separate being with it's own will and conciseness
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Who is the most feared bounty Hunter was it Boba or Cat Bain?
WolfWolfRex Ryan cad bain
C A T Bane
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Welp, that's never leaving my head.
We have murder hornets and murder pigs. 2020 is wild.
What dit you do with your arms
9:50 how do you spell that exactly
Yslamari, I think :)
Why is Alan flapping his hands?
No clue, maybe a faulty clone.
@@Jew225 good one
i'm guessing he got taken by dolphins and he is trying to send us message to come save him
@@villekuronen6242 damn, that's a good point
*B E C A U S E H E C A N*
Pssshh San Fran, I never would have guessed
@generation tech Why do u wave your hands around like that do u think your a Jedi also can u make a vid on hk47 or the eternal fleet
I'm only surprised that he didn't mention of Reborn Emperor apprentice. One who possibly could be Rey's father...
He's vibing
I feel like he does it so more people comment on his videos.
So in your next video, reckon you could make a sweet ass balloon animal during the narrative? (a good animal... Not an actual sweet ass)
problem with forcing something as powerful as midi-chlorians to do your bidding against it's will is it can talk to all those endless friends of theirs else where and by slightest of adjustments like keeping a person from a meeting or such sooner or later all those actions added up and your dead. notice everyone who tried all fell even the ones who thought they were immortal.
or like Thrawn find a natural way to limit the side effects of cloning.. I think more on Thrawn's cloning would be cool to see
Today in this video we are going to try to figure out why he is moving like an octopus
Why didn't Vader try to clone himself and transfer his consciousness to his clone after being burned on Mustafar?
Palps didn't teach him how to. Essence transfer as it is described in the Darth Bane novels is a high level technique and requires a lot of knowledge and willpower to pull it off effectively. And if you fail you die. It's basically, oh shit I am going to die right now, gotta save myself with this one last ditch effort.
@@crazyscotsman9327 ah, thanks
He got octopus arms
lol he talks as if we have midichorians...
He has weird sense of humor.
Probably believes the world is flat too
we do
*Midichorians exist in all living beings*
@@GenerationFilms And you that jokes are alien propaganda 0_0
they did get a half mammoth that the cloning technology helped make
We are really close to having the mammoth. Honestly, the biggest hurdle stopping us still is most likely ethics. Is it ok to bring something back? Where do go go from here? How do we regulate human climbing(as that won't be far behind doing a big mammal like a mammoth successfully), those kinds of things.
We haven’t yet clones one extinct species, yet we will start with a mammoth?
@@Creshex8 a mammoth is a well know, popular animal, that would get a lot of coverage if it's done. And there is no reason we shouldnt be able to clone an extinct species so long as we have the entire genome. And there is a close enough living relative to be a surrogate for it. Which there is for the mammoth.
All that said, trying it with a smaller, less complicated animal first would be a good idea. But that doesn't change what I said. We are pretty close, with mainly ethical concerns stopping it.
Of course, the problem with the whole clones are the same in the Force is directly countered by Yoda in Clone Wars episode 1 where he states each clone is a unique presence in the force.
Wacky wavy inflatable tube Allen
Because the writers thought of the potential consequences of being able to just clone an army of force users? Unlike with the holdo maneuver and lots of other random stuff.
Do not worry, Allen.
1) Because emotions are a stupid organic problem and is a waste of energy,
*BUT ALSO*
2) Also, because I know that you are being held hostage by dolphins and I am bringing a droid-squad (Mostly B2s and Commando-Droids) to come and save you. After the battle of the North Sea, my droids know how to effectively combat those mammal-fish *ss-holes
8k views with 1k likes.
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So is plagueis the same species as the banking clan species?
They’re both Muuns, if that’s what you mean...
George Lucas is the one who came up with the idea of Palpatine cloning himself and transferring his spirit into the empty clones. He provided that idea to Tom Veitch and Cam Kennedy as they set out to create "Dark Empire" back in 1980s when Marvel was going to publish it under the Epic Comics imprint before it stalled and later ended up at Dark Horse Comics. I think he took the idea from the Canadian horror film "Eternal Evil" [aka "The Blue Man"] from circa 1985. It seems "The Skeleton Key" later cribbed from it as well. Some would also include "Fallen" as well. That was with the demon Azazel but if one considers Palpatine to be the living avatar of the Dark Side of the Force, then I guess that's a valid inclusion...
Because the Midichlorians is contained on every single cell of the force-sensitive body, down to the bones and brain. This is why it's basically impossible to turn a non-force sensitive to a force-sensitive. As an example, Dooku attempts to make Grievous to have a force sensitivity by transfusing force-sensitive blood into Grievous' bloodstream before and during the cyborg operation. It did nothing advantageous to Grievous.
What if...Darth Sidious WAS Vitiate. What if the big twist is that the entire Star Wars Skywalker saga was the return of Vitiate?? Posessing the body of Sheev Palpatine!
Could the UNSC post Covenant war be able to with stand a Chimera horde outbreak on Earth and how many could die because of this outbreak?
I watched the original star wars in theaters when it came out in 77 I was 6
You've mentioned amphetamines a few times, does sir like to dabble? Lol
I always thought it would have been more interesting if Kylo Ren met a clone of Snoke instead of Palpatine, I know this would kind of render Rey even more useless than she already was to the story, but atleast it would make more sense.