Protein Requirement For Bodybuilders
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Be nice to Hans, Scooby, he's a hard gainer
LOL!
He's a cross fitter.
He's a harden(ed) gnome :)
He's alkaline vegan
After all these years, still the best.
if 2 men are exactly the same bodyweight but 1 is 10% body fat and the other is 30% body fat i doubt that both guys need a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.
Why is it that all these non-lifters love to come out of the woodwork and scream at bodybuilders that they "do not need" that much protein??? Seriously, stop projecting YOUR pedestrian strength and physique goals onto others.
Just so you know, there are some studies which suggest that anything over 1g per pound does very little benefit unless you are at the very high-end of protein requirements. Which to be fair you may well be, but for most people that's the upper limit. Going over this regularly could put too much strain on kidneys as they process unused protein. Keeping hydrated helps with this (which I know you advocate.) Though for most people even while trying to build muscle half this amount is plenty. You pretty much say this in your video, but I just wanted to point out there are actually studies on this subject! We do know!
I've just seen you bashing some other guy about bringing this up, so I'm going to link you to a review from 2006. The abstract alone covers all the main points. I'm a scientist myself so I'm not just saying stuff for fun. One of the main factors is the speed at which we can excrete Nitrogen (protein contains a lot of nitrogen) and this also puts a lot of pressure on the liver and subsequently the kidneys from higher urea production. Anyway, there are many other studies too but this should give you good starting place: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16779921
Fleecemaster Most of the reuptable studies I've seen say benefits top out at around 0.75g per lb. So like 130g for a 180lb guy would be ideal. More doesn't hurt, but doesn't help either
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The protein requirements of harden gnomes are often overestimated since they are often hollow on the inside and therefore weigh much less than their appearance could lead you to believe.
LOL! So true!
1st time I've seen this channel. I immediately thought of buff bill nye the science guy
why thank you! Bill Nye is a hero of mine
Thanks for keeping it 100 percent honest and free. For that you got the best health & fitness coach award in my books. Thanks scoobs. I shall do the same and pass it on
All that I needed to know in 8 minutes. Plus that pillow always makes me smile. Thanks Scoobs!
Thanks for the upload Scooby!
What a delightfully logical approach to bodybuilding, strength training and health!! So refreshing. THANKS!!!
I am willing to stand up and say out loud "I DO NOT KNOW" :)
Starting my grass and bark diet tommorow, wish me luck!
Great video as always.
PLEASE before you tell me that I eat "too much protein", look at your physique, and then look at mine. Perhaps our goals are different.
OHHHH thats how you ment it. I thought you where making the "I got results so Im right " argument but you where saying our bodies may be different instead. Gotta go delete a comment now.
Not at all, hope others dont think that because thats not how I meant it. I have just noticed that in bodybuilding, people have a tendency to project their goals onto others without thinking that this is downright stupid. Powerlifters assume that everyones goal is to deadlift as much as possible. Bodybuilders assume that everyones goal is to make as big a bicep as possible. The aesthetic crew assume that everyone wants to take as many shortcuts as possible to look like Zyzz in as short a time as possible. Health lifters assume that everyone just wants to "be fit". Protein needs depend on GOALS
scooby1961 you don't need that much protein to build or maintain muscle or strength read the studie
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2129168/
I think we should add to what Scooby said the issue of protein absorption and also hormones. I don't think is so simple an issue of just how many grams of protein you need to build muscle.
Also, I think maybe it's best to calculate the grams of protein in relation to lean body mass.
I made the same assumption(that you got results and they didn't etc), but I thought it was hilarious. But your actual point about different goals is dead on. Everybody thinks you want what they want and if you don't, then you don't know what you want.
Great video. This makes a lot of good sense.....
I have followed Scooby's advice for 10 years with results that are very difficult to argue with. I get routine bloodwork done and my levels are excellent. Granted that I am 27 and no prior health problems.
Thank you for you video. Very detailed info and I feel this video came as an answer for a question I asked on one of your older videos in which you took almost 10 scoops of protein which I still think is to much protein from whey. I agree with you for the statement 1g of protein per pound, but is it healthy to eat so much whey powder? I believe we should take our protein from chicken and tuna firstly and secondly we should compensate with whey. You are my favorite bodybuilder youtuber, keep it this way!!
Scooby Sez: "Since we have no good data on protein needs for bodybuilders and high protein levels are not dangerous, I personally error on the side of consuming more protein than I need since my goals are strength and muscle mass" - people argue with me. I dont get it, how can you argue with this?
"Look at your physique", okay scoobs,
*looks*
*cries*
Do you plan on recording any further live push superset workouts? I have emulated that program you suggest for people short on time and it revolutionized my gains. I find those videos very motivating to watch
great video scooby
dayum, peter zane..killing it!
"You could have gained muscle eating grass and bark!" - Highlight of my day
Is this a re-up? i'm sure i've watched it before.
I train Blood and Guts style, keeping the different strength curves in mind as well. I also record my progress and cycle the training intensity. I vary my caloric intake as I don't want to consume the same degree of a caloric surplus all of the time. Also stay with a non-stimulant pre workout stack! Don't weight yourself every week that's stupid. Even if you gain an inch on your arms, will it really amount to much on the scale?
Omg this is a miracle, I was just wondering how much protein I should eat and my fav fitness youtuber of all time has made my dream come true !!
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Best intro ever !!
Hey Scooby, I finished a bicep workout two days ago and my biceps are EXTREMELY sore. Can I still work triceps/back/shoulder/abs/chest or will those workouts irritate my biceps to the point were I will end up causing myself serious injury?
Finally somebody giving real advise on youtube
Excellent fricken video. Thumbs up from me 👍
Hey Scooby,can you still build up calves doing calf raises with a dumbbell on the floor, or do you absolutely need elevation like a step or block of wood?
Scooby, way up the back of your hat cuboard is a full size Hans hat, search for it for us 😄
Could you do a video compilation of cushion to face frustrations I think their funny!
Whats happening with the custom meal planner Branded 50 clients option??
Not up yet?
Great video
more protein during a cut seems reasonable, some studies suggest that is preferable for keeping muscle (or if nothing else keeping appetite down)
Is this re-uploaded?
Your videos are awesome! Your chin-up tutorial saved me from rotary cuff irritation/injury!
Your Arms look Bigger this Year Scooby!
Scoobys recommendation of 1g/lb has been followed successfully by millions of bodybuilders, natural and enhanced, for decades. In the absence of firm scientific proof of what a bodybuilder needs its as good a rule of thumb as any. If someone wants to consume less or more thats fine but it seems pretty clear that protein requirements are greater for high intensity, frequent resistance training compared to someone sedentary. Science doesnt always have all the answers and in these circumstances tried and tested approaches to protein consumption is the next best evidence.
YOU understand this :)
James you need to be the top comment.
+James gilchrist Science always has the answer, just because it doesn't right now doesn't mean it won't. Besides there are dozens of studies, it's just that they counteract each others claims.
I am gonna go on a cut. Should I set it to 1g/lb of estimated lean/goal weight, or 1g/lb of current weight? I want to lose about 25lbs of fat. Should I eat at that much, and scale down as I lose it, or just set the protein for my goal? I understand the reasoning of adding more to compensate for carrying the "natural weighted training vest", but never heard this one clarified.
Is this a re-upload, if so, why?
DAMN Scooby, that shoulder vein's so big, Elon Musk modeled the hyperloop after it!
I have to google the hyperloop now :)
How much protein would you recommend if someone (guy) is over weight?
Menno henselmans from bayesian bodybuilding seems to have done very good research about this topic
Hey where can i buy one of those pillows?lol
Scooby whats your thoughts on the keto diet
The irony if scooby ever gets killed by someone smothering him with a pillow.
Maybe I can catch scooby in a Q & A sometime, and this doesn't even relate to protein requirements. But another dated piece of advice or principle that I believe for a long time was to have frequent small meals, to prevent your body from going into catabolic state and to prevent if from entering "starvation mode" where it is more likely to start storing fat. This of course differs a lot from the more current popular trend you hear a lot about of Intermittent Fasting, which I haven't been able to bring myself to commit to consistently yet. I guess it always comes down to what works for each individual with their lifestyle and their goals. But any insights on this seemingly contradicting idea from anyone?
You hit that nail right on the head. Bodybuilders have organ failure due to factory manufactured supplements.
"we dont know" the ultimate scientific conclusion :P
I never believed the speed of light was a constant. .... and I was right ☺
More like the ultimate realization. When we realize everything we know might not be how we think it is. If that is the case we dont know shii. We only know what we think we know. And its only real because we believe it is. Reality is a funny thing
then its like, 1 scoop is 25g, i take 3,5 scoops ? 2scoops is fine already, for like 63kg ?
Hi Scooby,
I'm around 210 lbs and I work out 3-4 times a week. I try to eat around 200lbs of protein on days I workout, but one of my friends who's mom is a dietician told me that was too much. Furthermore another one of my friends who is an athletic trainer told me that 200gs of protein is also too much. Is there merit to what they're saying (aka body can only intake around 25g of protein), or should I continue to obtain around 200g on protein.
Thanks!
+AzienBarney I suggest you stop listening to these well meaning people and start doing some reading. ProTip: you will discover there is nothing backing up their claims
You completely destroyed Hans which I didn't like :(
I love Hans.
its weird, i'm a hardgainer and have not been gaining any mass or strength while taking 200 grams of protein every day, (im 200lb), i started taking 300 grams of protein and 3000 calories a day and then my gains went up.
If you are in a calorie deficit to lose weight, working out hard trying to maintain lean mass, tracking calories daily, and eating more protein than you might need, additional protein helps greatly because your net calories will be lower than if those calories were supplied by fat or carbs since it takes a lot more energy for your body to process the protein than it does for the others. You can have a larger deficit than you anticipate, or you can eat a bit more and still meet your net calorie target since gross calories (food intake) will be substantially higher on a higher protein diet. From my experience, satiation is better too.
If I'm 140 lbs. and wanting to bulk up is the 140g of protein what I need to consume on a Daily basis?
1.5g per kilogram is more than enough
Have you checked Eric Helm's studies on NCBI for protein requirements ?
war gunman can you share this please?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4033492/
war gunman thanks man! Let's see if scooby replies
war gunman @scooby1961
He won't comment, because he's to stubborn to believe actual science. not everything has to be black or white, it's annoying how dogmatic he is.
Does Hans even lift? Lol
Im guessing i need less b/c i barely rarely do endurance training. I usually do steady state or light jogging cardio. But i go too the gym about 4-5 times a week. So maybe .7g of protein per pound of body weight
For those who live outside Myanmar ( = Burma), Liberia and the United States: 1 pound is 0.45359237 kg (a jar of marmalade in the supermarket if you want to be less technical)
haven't seen a pillowscream in awhile. niiiice
Scooby - any new side projects that you've been working on? How's the airplane? Any new biking travels or projects? :)
Zero progress on the plane, have been working 10 hrs a day on CustomMealPlanner pretty much all of 2017
and we're thankfull for it
I eat between 1-1.5 grams of protein per kilo of bodyweight this is what most medical books suggest and I'm about 105 kg lean all natural 6 feet tall.
i found that i basically need w/e amount of protein (meat) i actually wanna eat; calories are the limiting factor to me personally
Hey Scooby, i know this is kind of off topic, but what is your opinion on using Smith Machines for deadlifts, bench press, and squats? My gym doesnt have any power racks, only smith machines. Am i missing out on gains, or are they just as effective?
+RimRockerYT | Call of Duty Content use what you have!!! Smith machine is WAY better than nothing!!
Thanks!!! You're the man Scooby!!!
scoob I think you were a little bit too mean to the gnome :/
He is a bit hard-headed, literally :)
At my university, they taught 1-1.2 g of protein /kg bodyweight. I think a lot of ppl mistake pound and kg
+Rudy Fisher if they taught it at the university it must be right!
Why is it so hard for newbies or beginners to accept they don't need to be in the gym 6-7 days a week at the beginning?? That a person who trains 6-7 days a week has built up to that level over time
Carter coleman I started with 6 days cuz I really enjoyed exercising
can you update you're 5 fav whey powders. or are they perfectly up to date ?
Its still up to date. I personally still buy the Jarrow (#1 on my list)
ok thanks scooby ! i use the body&fit puur whey while doing pseudoketo
Do you recommend supplements? If so, what percentage of your protein should come from supplements?
Define 'supplement'. Things out of wrappers, bottles, and cans - no, I do not recommend these. Whey is fine but only if that is the ONLY ingredient. See my list of recommended whey protein
Too much of ANYTHING will kill you, even oxygen and water - same goes for protein. If you were to eat a diet consisting of 100% protein, I have no doubt you would die rather quickly but a bigger question would be, would you die because of what you were eating or what you were NOT eating? What I mean by this is that if you only eat protein powder, you are not getting essential fats, nor are you getting any vitamins because you are not eating any vegetables nor fruits. Is the the deficiencies in your diet that would kill you or the excesses?
Is age (ignoring changes in weight) a relevant factor in the amount of protein you need?
I eat quite less than that and it's fine for me. 120 g or so at a weight of 176 lbs.
The sponsor for this video when I watched it... Cheez-its.
Epic!!
If ya stop and think about it, with just one added protein shake per day (40 grams protein), it doesn't take a ton of planning to get to the 1 gram protein/lb. body weight. Honestly, if you think that is too much work, there must be a bunch of crap food in your daily diet that you aren't willing to let go of. Sad.
How much vegetables should i eat? I eat a lot of proteins, is 1 cucumber a day enough ??
If you want to die an early and painful death then one cucumber a day is fine, otherwise ear 20x more vegetables
Funny, do you sell those pillows online, I want one to scream in. I have some ideas message me
Sorry I dont do email or messaging. Too old :)
Hey Scooby, I know you are big on saving money - did you purchase your Porsche through a dealership or private seller? I love the porsche boxster and one day aspire to buy one also, did you finance it or just buy it with cash?
Strange as it seems, I factory ordered a new car to save money. The problem is that all the used ones had all kinds of electronic packages that added 20-40k to the price. All I wanted was big engine, and delicious handling so I got a new bare bones Boxter S for the price of what 2 year old non-S Boxters were selling for.
scooby1961 Would you be able to provide the website to do this? That would be awesome
The original research that suggested that a high protein intake caused renal failure was based on patients who were already in renal failure. Yes, surprisingly, if your kidneys are failing, your serum urea will increase with increasing protein intake. There is plenty of research on post weight training protein intake and improvements in muscle gain.
Thanks Big M, I was wondering where that myth got started!
Like, Scoobs, what is your opinion on Rich Piana? He's in the hospital.
I have never watched a video of his so I really dont have an opinion.
you can also use the Hans formula: one can of beer per lb of body weight.
LOL! "One can of beer per pound of bodyweight per day" :)
1g per pound of lean body mass is all you need.
1g per pound became the recommended standard because it's easy to follow, especially for beginners and a lot of people don't know their lean mass. Better to have more than you need than stunt your progress because you get too little. If you're fit and have a good idea what your lean mass is then 5-10% over that weight will get you the same results and save yourself some money.
I love you.
I love you Scooby! But you know...not in gay way.
Scooby can I ask why you eat most of your protein from dairy/eggs and why do you eat so little meat in general. Is it because of health reasons or you don't like the taste of meat/you love animals too much?
I try to get most of my protein from plant sources (beans) and supplement that with dairy and egg protein. I feel this is healthier than a diet high in meat and animal calories.
I see.
Is there an actual proof or study done that lean meats could be unhealthy if consumed daily? (I get most of my protein from chicken)
theLokatian www.whatthehealthfilm.com/facts
there will NEVER be a conclusive study to prove or disprove the benefits or dangers of eating too much meat because of the industry sponsors and special interest groups that will skew the results
limiting your meat consumption has a few benefits though:
1. it's good for the environment
2. i feel sick when i eat too much meat, meat in general is harder to digest, if i eat meat before i train my performance goes way down and i feel tired which is why i eat chicken for dinner
3. eating undercooked/raw meat by accident can make you sick
not trying to post vegan propaganda, but you should try beans and legumes. they're easier to prepare and have alot of dietary fibre, and they never go bad
Scooby glistens in 1440p lol
1g per lb = all protein, or specifically just the supplement protein powder? And then add on top more natural protein from chicken breasts and whatnot?
Or is the 1g/lb including both the protein powder and the natural food protein?
Igor he means all mate, not healthy to have 100s of grams of protein powder per day and then additional protein from food on top, you’d be consuming wayyy too many calories also.
Be careful with protein powder. I got Ulcerative Cholitis and the doctor asked about my diet. When I told him how much protein powder I was ingesting, he said to stop, and it's gone away. I do use one scoop per day spread out to supplement, but no more one scoop with milk as a meal.
1gram per LEAN BODY MASS right?
Carter nah, consider that to be extra edge
Except the problem is all the studies do not confirm 1g/lbs for muscle growth and hypertrophy. they confirm and measure about 1.2-1.5g/kg. And that number can go up depending on different factors. So the PER LBS is actually not how the vast majority of studies measure or test protein consumption and weight training. Its PER KG. Its not to say the G/LBS wouldn't work. It will implicitly because you'll get far more than per G/KG if you measure it that way. But whether its NEEDED is the question. And most people err on enough, not too little because protein cost is a factor.
Damn Scoob your torso looks wierd. Do you suffer from Scoliosis or did you get that from free weights. I used to do free weight work out at home untill i fucked up my balance.
I had to hit the machines at the gym to fix it. My dominant right side was getting all the gains. Don't be so hard on Hans. He's been missing his Gretel and binge eating. XD
yes, I have scoliosis, see images on this page: scoobysworkshop.com/asymmetry/
Good body. Strange logic !
From the ellington darden Ph.D. book "the new high intensity training" pg 230: " only intense exercise generates cellular messages that stimulate DNA to begin the process of expanding muscle fibers. An excess of dietary protein, or other nutrients, won't generate these messages. Nutrition enters the picture only after the muscles are stimulated to grow. And even then, rest is at least as equally as important as nutrition. I'm not against a little extra protein in your diet, just don't go completely overboard and bump it up to 3 or 4 X the RDA. Consuming 250 to 300 grams per day whether it's from food or supplements is expensive wasteful and not the safest thing you could do for your liver and kidneys."
Imagine being his neighbour looking over seeing a guy talking to garden gnome with his shirt off then screaming into a pillow I'd move house. No offence scooby your awesome brother just saying 😂🏡
They are used to that. What I am sure concerns them is when I scream strings of obscenities at jets flying overhead. Where we live, jets fly over at low level ever 30-120 seconds which makes in VERY frustrating to try and film outside.
holy shit that's a lot of protein. i've been doing it all wrong, jesus, no wonder i never see any real strength/mass gains.
I'm 21, 6ft3 and quite athletic (but still not that muscular, only fit), but this guy would kick my ass !!
Edit: Sorry forgot yesterday was my Birthday, so I'm 22 ^^
Happy Birthday!!!!
im good with 0.7👌
The scientific literature actually says to eat between 1.3-1.7 grams per kilogram of lean bodyweight.
references please for "scientific literature"
I'd say 3 square meals a day with an emphasis on protein is ok for most people, add a shake after every workout if you feel like you need more, 1g/pound or more is what all the top guys take but most people can probably get away with a bit less (especially if money is an issue) Just try it for yourself I suppose.
+Buffalo for beginners this is great nutrition. For advanced folks it will get them nowhere
Yeah completely agree, just thought it was worth mentioning because most people in here are beginners or thereabouts, and when I see noobs overeating and tanking protein shakes like there's no tomorrow it makes me sad :(
Anyways keep up the great content Scoob it's always good to hear the old school opinion on things like this.
My daily meal because I am poor and Mexican is 3 protein shakes with lactose free milk and 1 meal 7 eggs 1 cup of black beans 1 cup of rice.
if you err on the side of caution and don't want potential health risks, shouldn't you intake less protein...?