Fantastic video! 3 notes though... #1---I'd suggest zero oil on hardware, enough oil will get sucked into that area regardless by the leather, so that area will be oiled whether you apply it there or not. #2---I'd say the Brannock is pretty useless, and not something these builders think in terms of. If I were to go out and get help with sizing, I'd be driving to a cobbler to have him/her help with sizing & measuring. Print a fit-sheet off b4 leaving the house. #3---That wrinkle or roll in the front of your right boot has pro's & con's to it. It is there because that is where your foot actually needed it to give, which means that a steel toe would actually be stopping the boot from bending where you actually need it to. Having said that, I love wiggle room and a big toe box. To me the answer for you would be celastic, and maybe even a shorter piece of celastic than they normally use. When buying an MTO I'd show them a pic of these and get their opinion. You might be able to stop them from falling and still allow the boot to bend more where you need it that a steel toe.
If the Patriots are a legit 7.5-8os leather, then I would have to say I probably recommend these over the Drews Loggers made in Mexico for the same price. I have a pair of Drews, and the vamps are very thin, definitely not as thick as the leather on my Nicks Roberts with 7oz W&C leather. The Drews come in around 5.5-6oz at best. They're good enough for average chores, but if you are a career woodsmen, or a firefighter who needs NFPA level gear, then the Patriots may be a better option. The only issue, is that the Drews wider 55-1 last seems to fit my foot better. It all depends on the individual.
If you need fire boots, got to hoffman’s website. For whatever reason they’re selling Whites original Smokejumpers (the hand sewn $700 ones) for $575. If I had the coin I’d pick up a pair based on that price point.
I’m lucky enough to own a pair or two from all the major PNW brands except for Wesco, and I agree with you about Franks. They are simply the only company that provides the complete experience. I hope they are able to maintain their small company feel, yet also reap the rewards financially without scaling too big. I would not mind paying extra for Franks, because they are that good.
I appreciate you sharing your experience on here. I really hope they can keep their small company feel too. I’ve got nothing but good things to say about them.
Bro a little history of Franks Boots his Brother started Nicks Boot in 1964 and Frank worked for his brother for 20 plus years and after people that own Nicks Frank left Nicks and started Franks Boots this is why he still offers real costume measurements he provides And what I herd is when you go in for rebuild (not on Patriots non rebuildable from Franks ) You can him refit the boot to your foot because over time owe feet change in width My foot used to be 10 D and what feels great on a 55 last is 9.5 EE I hope this helps Keep the great boots videos coming
Nick Petrilli bought Nicks boots in 1991. He purchased the company from two brothers who bought the company from the original “Nick” in 1980. The company was started by a White’s Shoe Company upper cutter named Nikolai Blahuczyn in 1964.
Even you know your size of the foot I picked up really nice pair of second hand boots Franks and I had a hell of time because the guy I picked up from didn't disclosed that he had the boots build for his foot not a standard boot measurements !!!!! The first time i put I tried to boots on no luck I count get them in too the shaft of the foots and I contacted the seller and refused to work with me and call Ebay and I was stuck with $650 so here what I had to do was soak the boots into water and then force my foot barefoot and wear them for 1-2 yours complete wet and that was the first time I got my foot inside the boots and after 6 months break-in them in I can wear them 8 hours I hope this can help
I say that because of something I heard John Khadzi say about some true custom boots they made for a client with a modified last that they had shaped to his foot!
I use kilties in my boots but they are not required for the proper function of the boot. They just protect the soft leather that the tongue is made out of.
@@justinmyrick5101 I would leave them in, the eyelets and laces can wear on the tongue after time. You can cut off the frills if you don‘t like the look.
I prefer steel toe because it’s less bulky, but if you are on a job that requires electrical rated boots, then composite is your only safety toe option. Composite toe will also keep your feet a bit warmer in the winter. Steel toe boots are not great for long work days in brutally cold weather. No matter how warm your socks are, eventually that cold steel will freeze your toes.
Fantastic video!
3 notes though...
#1---I'd suggest zero oil on hardware, enough oil will get sucked into that area regardless by the leather, so that area will be oiled whether you apply it there or not.
#2---I'd say the Brannock is pretty useless, and not something these builders think in terms of. If I were to go out and get help with sizing, I'd be driving to a cobbler to have him/her help with sizing & measuring. Print a fit-sheet off b4 leaving the house.
#3---That wrinkle or roll in the front of your right boot has pro's & con's to it. It is there because that is where your foot actually needed it to give, which means that a steel toe would actually be stopping the boot from bending where you actually need it to. Having said that, I love wiggle room and a big toe box. To me the answer for you would be celastic, and maybe even a shorter piece of celastic than they normally use. When buying an MTO I'd show them a pic of these and get their opinion. You might be able to stop them from falling and still allow the boot to bend more where you need it that a steel toe.
I got mine two months ago based on your videos. They are without a doubt the best boots I’ve owned for work
Wow, I am really humbled by you saying that. It’s cool to know that the work I put into my videos makes a difference to people.
If the Patriots are a legit 7.5-8os leather, then I would have to say I probably recommend these over the Drews Loggers made in Mexico for the same price. I have a pair of Drews, and the vamps are very thin, definitely not as thick as the leather on my Nicks Roberts with 7oz W&C leather. The Drews come in around 5.5-6oz at best. They're good enough for average chores, but if you are a career woodsmen, or a firefighter who needs NFPA level gear, then the Patriots may be a better option. The only issue, is that the Drews wider 55-1 last seems to fit my foot better. It all depends on the individual.
They are the same 7.5-8 oz leather. I forgot to mention that in my video. Thanks for checking it out!
If you need fire boots, got to hoffman’s website. For whatever reason they’re selling Whites original Smokejumpers (the hand sewn $700 ones) for $575. If I had the coin I’d pick up a pair based on that price point.
I’m lucky enough to own a pair or two from all the major PNW brands except for Wesco, and I agree with you about Franks. They are simply the only company that provides the complete experience. I hope they are able to maintain their small company feel, yet also reap the rewards financially without scaling too big. I would not mind paying extra for Franks, because they are that good.
I appreciate you sharing your experience on here. I really hope they can keep their small company feel too. I’ve got nothing but good things to say about them.
These will be my next boots!
Good to hear! You’ll love them.
Bro a little history of Franks Boots his Brother started Nicks Boot in 1964 and Frank worked for his brother for 20 plus years and after people that own Nicks Frank left Nicks and started Franks Boots this is why he still offers real costume measurements he provides And what I herd is when you go in for rebuild (not on Patriots non rebuildable from Franks ) You can him refit the boot to your foot because over time owe feet change in width My foot used to be 10 D and what feels great on a 55 last is 9.5 EE I hope this helps Keep the great boots videos coming
Nick Petrilli bought Nicks boots in 1991. He purchased the company from two brothers who bought the company from the original “Nick” in 1980. The company was started by a White’s Shoe Company upper cutter named Nikolai Blahuczyn in 1964.
You should absolutely oil or wax heel stack not as much as you oil your boots but leather in heel stack definitely needs it
Kyle at bakers can help you nail down your size is well
Even you know your size of the foot I picked up really nice pair of second hand boots Franks and I had a hell of time because the guy I picked up from didn't disclosed that he had the boots build for his foot not a standard boot measurements !!!!! The first time i put I tried to boots on no luck I count get them in too the shaft of the foots and I contacted the seller and refused to work with me and call Ebay and I was stuck with $650 so here what I had to do was soak the boots into water and then force my foot barefoot and wear them for 1-2 yours complete wet and that was the first time I got my foot inside the boots and after 6 months break-in them in I can wear them 8 hours I hope this can help
I think Wesco still does modified and saved lasts? But wesco is definitely the most unique of the pnw makers in general haha
Yeah they’re awesome if you can afford to wait 2 years to get your order. They are pretty gorgeous boots though.
@@evergreenorganics yes Wesco are sweet boots but what I have seen they don't hand last there boots any longer they are using machine's to last them
I believe JK boots offer full custom boot building in the way you describe 👍
I don’t know much about JK boots. I’ve seen their ads though and the shrunken bison boots they do look pretty dang cool. 😎
Not quite true & their “custom features” add up real quick. Ask my banker how I know. That being said, I love my JK’s.
@@evergreenorganics JK are over $650 and up
I say that because of something I heard John Khadzi say about some true custom boots they made for a client with a modified last that they had shaped to his foot!
Do you have too use the Kiltie?
I use kilties in my boots but they are not required for the proper function of the boot. They just protect the soft leather that the tongue is made out of.
@@justinmyrick5101 I would leave them in, the eyelets and laces can wear on the tongue after time. You can cut off the frills if you don‘t like the look.
Which do think is better, the composite toe or steel toe?
I prefer steel toe because it’s less bulky, but if you are on a job that requires electrical rated boots, then composite is your only safety toe option. Composite toe will also keep your feet a bit warmer in the winter. Steel toe boots are not great for long work days in brutally cold weather. No matter how warm your socks are, eventually that cold steel will freeze your toes.
How much is Frank paying for this video?
Nothing. They didn’t even know I made it. I also paid full price for the boots.