The History of Tron Decks | MTG Deck History #2
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CORRECTION: As has been pointed out, Solemn Simulacrum couldn't fetch Tron lands. It could help you ramp, which mattered, but yeah -- only basics.
I was about to say! 😖
I heard you say it and thought to myself “how many times have I misread/misunderstood solemn simulacrum..” I had a brain explode moment that I’d missed that interaction for years and wondered why as a colorless spell it wasn’t more prevalent in the deck… I had so many questions lol
Saad face 😁 that would be too good if i actually misread that all the years
More series from Nizzahon is great. Just make sure you're not overworking yourself with the twice weekly top 10s and now this series + the history channel. But I'm excited to see this series bloom!
Never would I have thought of this idea for a series, but if someone told me about it I would be instantly intrigued.
As an old school 93/94 tron player, it’s really interesting to hear how these lands became popular over the years. Thank you for making this special 🙌
Only time we really saw Tron back then was in Mono-Red Burn Decks. A lot of players used Urza's, but they really shined in Burn Decks. Nowadays, they can be used in many ways, but back then, it just wasn't common.
Darn, I was hoping to learn more about the illusive Mono Blue Tron.
Still a good video though.
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A bit dated but still good.
@@soren1803 doesn't seem to cover the part about being repeatedly stomped by monarchs tho
I’m looking forward to this, your content is always well thought out and researched. Keep on keeping on!!
Agreed
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Agreed
Tron was also helped out a lot by the nerfing of land destruction. When the Urza lands debuted land destruction cards included such things as Strip Mine and its slightly more fair cousin Wasteland, and even humble Stone Rain puts most current land destruction to shame.
The Tooth and Nail (and its relative/descendant, Elf and Nail) decks were better than one might think at just overpowering land destruction with ramp. It wasn't a GOOD matchup, but it wasn't unwinnable. And that was in a format with Stone Rain and Molten Rain both legal, so you could make a very scary Ponza deck in Standard. The deck was extremely annoying to play against as it often felt like you were playing Whac-A-Mole with their Tron availability.
Sinkhole too! I hated playing against that card lol
@@DarklordZagarna Agreed, but it's worth noting that the era of Tooth and Nail was one of the first eras where searching up a land other than a forest was heavily supported, and that it was also was post Onslaught Block, the first era with truly big high mana threats. Tooth and Nail is an example of that sort of high mana threat, but it's worth noting that Tooth and Nail only really works because it has big creatures without drawbacks to find. There was not nearly as much value in trying to slap down something like Force of Nature or Lord of the Pit.
Likewise, the conversion of Tron to a single focus ramp/aggro deck coincides with the first era of single card hard to answer win cons like the Eldrazi. Before that time, it would have been considered busted to print something that was a fast clock, and hard to answer, and didn't have a crippling downside.
@@DarklordZagarna Not really, not compared to what they were (re Ponza decks). Also nerfing land destruction isn't just a matter of pulling land destruction cards out of the format - it also involves improving land search and pulling it out of the graveyard. The latter got so good with Life from the Loam that land destruction, as a strategy, is pretty much dead these days.
I've known MTG for like 15 years or so, but never been too familiar with it cause I've never actually collected any cards. Recently with MTGA, that I've been playing for the last 3 years or so, I've managed to get a decent virtual collection without spending much, even if I'm not that good or competitive at the game, I have my fun with it. This historic series, the banned cards history and the top 10s have been fascinating to me. Thanks for thanking your time to share that much knowledge with us, Nizzahon!
It was so much fun floating 1U, letting Lattice resolve and cast Hurkyl's recall back then
My playgroup has been loving this new series Dr. Nizzahon. We talk about these decks whenever we have a chance to get together nowadays :)
Nice!
I always wondered why it was called Tron. I thought it was some kind of reference to the tron movie.
same, like you assemble all three lands and you power up the grid
Man I'm 17 and I got the voltron reference XD
I think I just have nostalgic parents... man I watched fricking thundercats XD
@@shadowofseattle1338 love me some Thundercats
me too
I thought it's about assembling Urza's Throne, as in get all lands from his kingdom and he gets to sit on a throne. Keep in mind I knew next to nothing about MTG lore at the time
Tron is now widely hated, but the original Extended version has a special place in my heart. I played both Izzetron and Simictron and had a blast with both. Simic was quite hard to pilot because you had to be careful using Moment's Peace. I hope you cover two of my favorite decks ever sometime: the Rock and Assault Loam.
This series is my new favorite thing on CZcams.
Thanks!
This series is looking like it’s gonna be one of my favorites on all of CZcams. Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks!
Super stoked to see this series continue, learning about all the crazy decks out there is always so much fun.
My favorite tron decks was during Mirrodin block in the short time when Tron + Tooth and Nail were both legal. It was super fun to Tooth and Nail for Mephidross Vampire/Triskellion and also had access to Kiki Jiki Mirror Breaker shenanigans. It was also crazy because Affinity was so powerful that you ended up running 4x maindeck oxidize in the deck and more artifact hate in the sideboard.
Props to you for not overeading cue cards. It brings an enjoyable flow while listening and show your grasp over the subject. Good for you and us !!!
Something I would have liked to see more of in the video was why tron gravitated to the archetypes it did, like eldrazi tron took off because of the banning of eye of ugin, and tron decks where mostly control decls for a long time because 12 post out paced them in mana production, that kind of stuff.
Agreed. A player that isn't familiar with the game from 1994 to 2004 might wonder why such obviously powerful cards didn't make a bigger splash in a competitive environment.
Actually, Eldrazi Tron took off because of Eye of Ugin + cheap eldrazi creatures (an unintended interaction due to the dev team having no memory) and got Eye of Ugin banned.
These videos are fantastic so far. I am a very casual magic player who never really got into the history of magic decks and it has been great to finally learn what you mean during the Top10 videos! I'll keep looking forward to these great videos.
Excellent to see another one of these!
Nizza: so who won my poll?
CZcams: Yes
I think that you do a great job with thoroughly explaining the highlights of the timeline of Magic's History concerning mechanics/play.
Nice to see there is another video added to the series.
Very informative ... one can really feel the academic approach elso in these MtG videos.
PLEASE MORE “History of” videos! I know others make these but the best ones are made by legit-ass historians such as yourself!
Love this! This is an archetype that wasn't around when I started playing Magic, and it's really interesting to see how it came to be. Looking forward to Affinity (and others)!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for taking the time to give us non-stop content! Stay well and keep on, keeping on!
Thanks, will do!
I played a lot at Grand Prix events from 2004-2007 and I loved tron back then. In extended I played the uG version because moments peace was so so good.
One of my favorite Magic CZcams channels is Rhystic Studies as his videos really dive into the history of Magic and this gets me a little on that level. Looking forward to more videos like this.
Im glad this seres will keep going.
Great series and amazing job in the necessary research
Really enjoying this series as part of my com
Mono Blue Tron player here! Loved the early history, thank you for that research! Great videos
Just started watching but I'm stoked as hell! Thank you Nizzahon!
Enjoy!
Really loving this series
Thanks!
I love the effort put into your vids! Hope you keep up the great work. I've been watching for 3 years now and just love this new addition to the playlists.
Thanks!
I'm loving this series so much
Thanks!
Minor CORRECTION, T&N entwined lets you search your library for 2 creature cards and put them into your hand. Then you can put up two creatures from your hand into play. So doesn't have to be what you searched for. Was something I did quite a few times 2005/2006.
This series is really interesting. I had heard about Tooth and Nail tron and its colorless uses before but I didn't know it was also used for big UR X spells.
In 2007 Extended was the last 6-8 blocks, rotating every three years until Modern was introduced, which is when Extended was changed to be the last 4 blocks.
Great series Nizzahon
I like this series a lot. One suggestion, it would be cool if you could talk ajust how meta things affected the deck. A bit of "why" to go along with "how" the deck evolved. Two examples for Tron would be how it didn't exist at the start of modern because 12 Post pushed them out until Cloudpost got banned and how Eldrazi Tron decks came about as a response to Eye of Ugin getting banned.
Loving these history videos mate!!
Glad you like them!
Excited for this new series! Had the bell on this time, so I'm early this time😂😂
To this was the first time I watched a history of a deck and I really like the whole video format. Also I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I thought tron was a reference to Karn who was a big robot and the lands were retroactively called Tron.
Another banger from my history man keep up the good work thanks bud
Thanks! Will do!
Voltron 🥲. Thanks Nizz! Love the content growth!
One and one and one really do be making seven tho
Love this new series, I was just thinking a month or so ago how this type of thing needs to exist. It would be cool if each deck could have a score based on finishes like your top tens, tho this may be too difficult
Love it, good work!
Looking forward to the new series
Great series of videos!!! keep it up man!
Thanks! Will do!
@@NizzahonMagic omg nizzahon replied to me! hahah you are great man!
The Extended format of 2007-2008 used to cover 5-7 blocks, not 4 blocks (it rotated every three years). 2007, Invasion Block - Odyssey Block - Onslaught block - Mirrodin Block - Kamigawa block - Ravnica Block - Time Spiral Block were legal.
Wish I could see extended teachings. There was so much skill behind that deck. What a hard deck to pilot.
When you made the goblin one i was hoping youd do a tron one, and you read my mind.
One of my favourie archetypes
Id love to see some premodern videos from you. Cheers!
Id love to see burn or zoo deck history next!
3rd video this week, you spoil us to much nizza
Isn't it only the second? Haha.
A bit disappointed blue tron was not mentioned. And as a monoblue fan, I hope for merfolk soon, as some variant was played in earliest days of magic.
Great video!
Thanks!
Good video!
History of Tron decks. Infinitely more enjoyable than any game involving a tron deck.
But without Tron, we would never know the pleasure of defeating it.
Ok so this might be word to say but... you have a voice that is almost but not quite monotone... its engaging enough to keep my interest when I'm actively watching and consistent enough I can find it soothing and fall asleep to!
Not gonna lie sometimes i turn on autoplay and have your videos play all night and it helps me sleep...
Kinda ackward to admit but... I really enjoy the content and you as a creator
Great video, but would've loved to have seen even a tiny spotlight on Modern U Tron.
Nizzahon your format if especially good for close captions, bar magic card names. If you ever go full subtitle I think it would be great :)
@12:54: Eldrazi Tron was considered "bad Tron" from 2017-2019, for the most part. The Green variant was far more popular and successful, definitely the dominant Tron deck. The printing of Karn TCG changed that as it gave E-Tron a way to have a relevant sideboard (which Green Tron had because of green cards) and a more successful midrange plan. Now it's the more successful of the two by a long stretch, but that's only after War of the Spark.
Super cool content
Thanks!
I feel like it would have been worth even just a few seconds spent talking about what a huge impact Tron having a second expensive game winning planeswalker in Ugin as I rarely see a Tron list these days without atleast one, but I look forward to seeing more of these regardless
Fun two see keep it up
Great series, that was quite a close poll! Quick question, you have recently been showing your face in your most recent videos now, is this a change you decided to make as a result of your new history channel where you started off with showing your face? Always like seeing the faces behind our disembodied voices!
I guess you're gonna also do the other two? I've yet to see a poll more even
When akroma came out there was a mono white control with her, wrath's, akroma's vengeance, Tron lands, the white decree... Deck was good
So in simple words, the Urza lands make a Tron deck. I thought it was combining to one creature.
Hey Nizzahon, super interesting video! Where do you take the data for your research?
mtgtop8.com mostly.
This entire time I've been playing Magic I thought "Tron" meant stacking equipment onto one unkillable creature. I feel so stupid D:
Apparently that is a Commander player definition of the word.
I’m surprised we didn’t see any mention of ugin
Love the vid keep makin 'em. Gotta razz you tho....
He says "1980s cartoon" as if Voltron: Legendary Defender doesn't have 8 seasons on Netflix. The toys are right by the board games in Target.
Well, it was originally an 80s cartoon, and when the name "Tron" was first coined for the urza lands, that's what people were referring too. Not a future reboot. Haha
would you do another instance of the history of the banned list?
Yes, but there really isn't that much to update just yet, we're almost to the modern day.
@@NizzahonMagic I kinda feel there is new ban every month and just doing a year would fill up a video, but that my point of view. Keep the good work either way
I was thinking it was based on TRON movie.
And then wondering how do they incorporate the light cycles in magic the gathering?
That's weird..
Oh volTRON....I get it.
WOW
What do you mean U/R Tron didn't have any active ways to complete the set? That's what Confiscate was for thanks to all the other Tron decks.
I think Cloudpost decks should've been included in this,
That's like saying removal spells should be included on a discard list because they both result in your opponent losing cards. They could both appear on a 'card disadvantage' list sure, and both Tron and Cloudpost could appear in a 'Big Mana decks' video, but this video is not that; it is a video about Tron.
Too good in pauper.
Let’s go dredge
Can't spell 'Nizzahon' without ' NANI?!'
Tron aka synergy.
💜
you look like dev's serious cousin
The guy who disliked this video got his ass whooped by his little brother using the tron lands in the late 90s and now just automatically scoops when he sees them
"Tron wasn't played until 8th Edition." Well, it was but the Tron lands were a classic trap for new players in those early days. If you had them in your deck, it was clear you were new or didn't know what you were doing (since there was I think 0 ways to search up a non-basic in those days, until Crop Rotation). So I guess you can say "Good players didn't play them until 8th Edition." :p
When I say "wasn't played" I mean "at the highest level of competition"
Woooo
4:50 that finisher seems awful i know you got a lot of mana laying around but paying 10 for a 1/1 flyer with deal 3 or even 7 for a 4/4 flyer and then paying 3 to put it back in your libary and then spending a draw to get it back; i feel like im missing some obvious combo tho so maybe somone can enlighten me ?
I think the basic combo is that the opponent had run out of gas by now so the flier could get in. Also, the inevitability of it returning again and again would have been a problem
The "combo" is that you can use of one of the tokens to kill triskelavus itself, then recur it with academy ruins. It may not look that powerfull, but not many decks can beat a triskelavus every turn until the end of the game. Also keep in mind that this was a standard deck, there were not many alternatives.
Edit: Back then the rules were also different and damage still used the stack, so each token could block and shoot killing x/2's which makes triskelavus way better than it is in nowadays.
What About mono blue Tron?
I thought about covering it, but overall it hasn't been that successful, and I had to draw a line somewhere!
@@NizzahonMagic Mono U Tron is Successful try to research about it. The problem is in the players, its not a deck for everyone to pick it and win, its One of the most skillful decks you can find. Its like Krark Clan Ironworks not everyone was playing it but the % of few players That did had great results. Like i Said with a Open mind try to research the deck and you Will be pleasently surprised. Has a Eldrazi Tron, green Tron and Blue Tron played loved the vídeo.
Blue Tron didn't even get a mention...
Nope! I didn't think it necessary to name every Tron variant ever, only the ones that were significant for their innovations and/or highly successful, and Mono-U Tron doesn't really fit the bill for me.
Eldrazi decks are just Tron decks that don't get to use the UrzaTron.
Did u forget about mono red tron? I feel like u did.
I didn't "forget" about it, per se, I just left out a few archetypes that only had very minimal success and didn't really have a major impact on the trajectory of tron decks. Good like finding a mono-Red tron deck that Top 8'd a premiere event.
@@NizzahonMagic thanks for explaining. I was mainly saying that as a joke, but thank you.
Big oof considering the recent spoilers
How?
One of the first things my father taught me to do in magic was torn out fire balls with mana falte
No KikiJiki Trons?
Dont tell my friends I watched a video about tron
I won't!