James Vincent Plath's Zoom Meeting February 10, 2024 Excerpts
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Interesting talk🎉
Great conversation. The point i take away: once you extrapolate one time on spiritual matters, the methodology becomes conjecture and the data becomes unreliable, untestable, seeking to know the unknowable.
Yes.
So honest.
Yes its admirable no semantics just straight to the point
Nice conversation, I hope the full meeting will also be uploaded at some point.
I enjoyed this discussion very much.
Having listened to several other zoom group meetings as well as the 10 days in December 2019 exchanges, I don't recall hearing what the hard core nondualists resort to in order to convince new recruits being mentioned. This would mesh with the basic hypothesis advaita Hindu philosophy as well. Not just the 90 day wonder types selling their 'brand'.
The principle that is touted a lot is that all is "apparent", patterns, shapes, forms. All in the physical appears to have had a beginning. "All that appears will disappear." All is changing, constantly. Many of the thousands of things that "appear" are now proven by science to not be as they are. The oceans are not blue. The sky is not blue. The sun never sets or rises, it's almost like smoke and mirrors but taken for granted and is spoken of to match the illusion.
So then they say that due to the changing temporary nature of all we perceive, it is not real, but temporary patterns and forms, including the sun and all the other stars, earth and all the other planets.
Also they use an example that we are like waves, bubbles or foam on the ocean surface. All made of and one with 'WATER'. So it isn't "one without a 2nd", only appearances of thousands of things. Deep near the bottom of the ocean is calm stillness but for a few fish and other critters moving silently, without the roar of apparent separate waves crashing into sand or rock.
This doesn't really prove anything but it's how many are convinced that there is oneness in appearances. Jewelry may appear as a gold ring or objects in various 'forms', yet melted down it is all one gold.
As far as human (or other animal) bodies go, Nisargadatta called them "food bodies" or food sheath. Food is what feeds consciousness from the fetus absorption nutrients from food the mother has eaten until the newborn can suckle from a breast or bottle. Bodies are required for consciousness to interact with other bodies, communication, movement, etc. Yet without consciousness in the body it is a corpse and can no longer experience the world.
Yes. That gold ring analogy is misleading nonsense, and defining anything that changes as "unreal" is entirely arbitrary. And no human is in a position to know that there is anything changeless.
I was going to say that real and unreal are meaningless, all you can know is what exists and to call something that is experienced as not real because it exists in a way thats different to the only way we know it to exist is pointless, a red apple is a red apple and nothing more nothing less. Saying its all atoms therefore its not truly an apple goes against the only way that you can experience that to be. Althought Robert said the thing already and now I am re iterating it because I wanted to say this and then feel superior so there ya go. That's my problem tho so your already in a good place where you know as much as him or me or anyone else no one know something you don't no spiritual teachers. Also people use the word Spiritual yet no one can define it, I would say the word itself is redundant because we have a word to already describe what spirituality is, it is Meaning making, we are always making something prominent in the world and so to say on top of that that somebody is spiritual or has a a spiritual experience when by definition spirituality is supernatural and cannot be experience or at least I have not then it is just a meaningless concept. When people evoke this concept it just seem as if people are trying to give a label to the mystery that is existence and we could just call that for what it is.. mysterious. Do not go looking just look at whats already happening for you, and just feel what is like to be you.
Thank you for this comment. Very clear, and if one sees it, obvious. So-called "spirituality" is almost always a search for the escape hatch.
Hello Robert! I commented on the previous video to show my gratitude towards your sharing of ideas. I feel like I can openly explore life now without wanting some sort of enlightened breakthrough. I wanted to put out there, for anyone that may be reading this, that if you are seriously struggling in life (depression, anxiety, etc.) to seek a mental health evaluation. I think that spiritual practices may work for some people, but they too often portray or blatantly state that enlightenment will fix your emotional woes. It’s a very unhealthy way to think in my opinion. It caused me a lot of turmoil.
On a separate note, do you have any favorite books or philosophers you find intriguing? Unrelated to your ideas in the video, you just seem like a guy who would have good book recommendations haha.
yes, the true insight is that there is no insight, just what ever your going through in any given point in time, whether it be despair or joy.
If you have not read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, give it a shot.
@@RobertSaltzman huh Ill give it a try, hey also thank you for being frank, I had listened to this core message that there is nothing secret to convey many times from you but it never clicked until I had a moment where I just stopped looking for something else. I feel a big weight was lifted, feel lighter and movements feel somewhat less controlled. Thanks its funny how you can listen to such a simple statement yet not understand it till you stop trying to get something from it. Thanks for this I think you give people hope by reliving them of the burden of needing to be happier than they are.