I don’t need USB flash drives anymore!
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dont need a usb drive, but need another computer and a network
don't even need that to install windows
@@goblinslayer5404you still need some sort of bootable media to install windows. doesnt matter if its a pxe boot, usb, disk, whatever.
I don’t think this is necessarily meant for a single install kinda thing, but for a power user or a shop that’s constantly installing or changing OSs.
What is that different from ssh
@@Junky4me-zq9bussh is remote with network booting you need to press Buttons on the actual computer to start up the Boot menu, im not sure if this is true or not but i think ssh requires an already installed OS on the System for it to work
I thought the trashcan was a 2013 Mac pro for a second.
Crapple ®
Actually, it is.
Wow we do care!
@@pandemiccccyou’re so original, funny and relevant to the conversation. You know that there are better ways to get attention that your parents didn’t give you, right?
@@andrupka8749 - Hey, guys! I found the apple user!
Dude, I'm already happy that I don't have to burn a DVD-RW for ~30 min anymore
Do you still remember how to use Ghost? 😂
CDBurnerXP and Nero Burning ROM just cried...
@@TechnoTimImgBurn (previously DVD Decrypter) for life dog
I still do, I even use CDs
I'm just happy where OS installation is today compared to the late 80s
Oh man, I've been wanting to set this up for years now...
Maybe tomorrow, just like every other time
I just use one usb stick with ventoy which allows me to simply drag any img or iso "the list goes on for the files type" to the usb stick without flashing, it's probably the best tool to ever exist for this use case.
@@abdalnablse10Rufus is also good
Same
Did you do it
@@jeffreyepiscopo no not yet...
I’m just okay with Ventoy 😂
Combine Ventoy with @Venjent ! 😁✌️
Ventoy is more efficient than this
The best solution to ever exist, I love it.
and more secure than opening your bios with the internet...
@@savagesarethebest7251What does Venjent have to do with that...
1999: PXE protocol appears in commercial BIOS
2024: this video
*d a y a m*
PXE and TFTP, super slow. iPXE over HTTP and internet fast. Similar but a huge difference.
This will be a great idea if u have brand-new 100s of computers for ur office/school/college and I need to install windows on all in a short period
If you have 100s of Computer you would use PXE since many years ago.
Depends on your setup. 2009 I worked a a contractor on a project that needed pallets of laptops imaged with a in-house custom image. Took ages running anything over 4 machines.
Since we had a license server on prem, I asked our Microsoft rep if it would be alright to clone a unactivated install. With his permission I started cloning 8 machines every 4 minutes. Using the time in between to pull the next set of drives. I shaved roughly 1 month off the project (didn’t think it through and put myself out of work early).
HP Compaq 6910p. Good times.
@@bartm_Damn! You got punished for being efficient!
@@bartm_damn… was it hourly paid or contract on project… if it was hourly paid than that sucked
@@ax3226 I was a sub to a sub contractor. I was hourly, and very low pay.
Learned a lot about corporate culture and what a good manager looks like. Good times.
Ahh, yes. PXE booting. Takes me back to my data centre days from 15-20 years ago. Along with IPMI, SNMP, WMI and protocols such as IP Multicasting 😄
Damn. You just shot me back to my IRQ numbering days with all that
In guessing these protocols are no longer used?
@@heyitsnemo they unfortunately still are.
@@ssjakenoof... IRQ 5 for the soundblaster compatible audio card
Me too! Good times. What was old is new again, wrapped in a pretty package. Remember IRC and Unix “talk” and “write”?
IRC + micro transactions = Discord. Yay progress! 🥳
Unix “write” is still the best: where else can you surreptitiously write messages directly your friend’s screen without their permission? 😂
I am old enough to remember booting up os on floppy disc and cd. USB was a miracle device.
It is nice to see in the consumer space that an a-joe can now have the same experience of using PXE boot to try or load an OS just like in a corporate IT setting.
@@IvanNedostal you can't boot with live USB on early-2000s hardware, but you can with PXE 👌
Yeah, I just commented that PXE takes me back to my IBM days, when I racked and stacked for our customers, and then did weird stuff with PXE booting, SNMP, IP Multicasting, etc. 😄
@@IvanNedostalI did installs for a (now-defunct) retailer that used PXE to set up the POS systems.
The systems were pre-configured to boot over the internet, so no playing around with hotkeys during boot. Their PXE environment was interesting - more than just a menu tree, it was basically a form. Enter the WO number, the store number, the terminal number, and for _some_ terminals it would also ask whether it was a manager PC or a server. Then it would _build_ and deliver the image, write it to the system, alter the firmware boot settings, and restart. Always the latest version of their stack as of the _install_ date, not the shipment date weeks or months earlier.
Try doing that with a USB drive to 20+ systems per site, at dozens of sites per day, simultaneously.
Scale matters.
Bootp tftp has been around since before I was born... For any standard consumer. Joe might need to know how to read. But it's always been there and always been free.
@@Azlehriasounds awesome
For anyone who thinks it’s kinda pointless, I don’t think this is necessarily meant for a single install kinda thing, but for a power user or a shop that’s constantly installing or changing OSs.
Exactly.
Or just having fun trying new things and setting it all up, just to tear it down after successful testing :)
@@MH-kc5jr Honestly yeah. Seems like something I'd play with and take down cuz I usually just install from a portable drive every time.
@@Derpuwolf Thats the way :) there is no need to have a practical reason for everything, just have some fun.
its also useful for people who are developing an OS, so that everytime they want to test the OS on a real computer (not in virtual machine) then they can use netboot
Its traditionally called a PXE server. System Adminstrators usually have the PXE server working with your main DHCP router to present OSs to you at the PXE boot phase of your client machine. Its easier to boot from a USB. But if you change the boot order of your bios to boot from another computer over the network. Most administrators use a good bootloader to do all this without setting up a PXE server.
I just use one usb stick with ventoy which allows me to simply drag img and iso files to the usb stick without flashing, it's probably the best tool to ever exist for this use case.
@@abdalnablse10Yeah when it works.
@@abdalnablse10built in back doors in Bentley, essentially handing over your bios to get malware
One word: Ventoy. Easiest solution out there and you can install it on a small external drive. Just copy isos on there and boot. No complicated configuration
Can put Ventoy on the second internal SSD in place of the former CDROM which I have done (ideally done fresh, as to do it on an already in use drive is a chore and risks data loss). Self recovery and boot anything with the laptop on the road is awesome.
It's not quite as simple as that in reality though and I've literally just had a bunch of issues with Ventoy.
I downloaded a Windows ISO for reinstall on my secondary drive and forgot to put it on Ventoy stick.
I was glad to discover that I can just browse any drive in the system within Ventoy and boot ISO from there.
I changed the primary m.2 drive to a new one, and couldn't be bothered to put it back in to be able to put ISO on the stick.
@@igoresque If doing a repair install and the Windows is working, you can make a 8GB VHD and mount it, both in disk management in a pinch. I 'deployed' Windows 11 22H2 rufus'd in this fashion, had Rufus take the ISO and dump yo the VHD, sent that to each machine across Tailscale/LAN, and ran up the installer from the VHD per machine doing repair installs over remote desktop.
Creator of Ventoy made a network boot version, iVentoy
My brother in Christ, we've had PXE for ages, it's the only conceivable way you can modernize a big factory for instance, without needing a billion USB sticks and without being chewed up by datasec
Jesus was a Prophet Only! Jesus was a Middle Eastern man born in current day palestine! Jeus spoke aramaic and he called God ‘Allaha
yeah, video author probably already knows, considering the project itself says it is a wrapper for iPXE on its main website.
google it. or don't.
Jesus is only a fictional character. U sad sad believers!
@@1in0
bruh
@@ax3226 That's what the Koran says, because the Koran lies. Jesus refers to Himself as God repeatedly in the Bible, which was written by His own disciples, as opposed to the Koran which was written by a warlord 600 years later.
Jesus was not a "mere prophet", He was either a madman who thought he was God, a demon lying and pretending to be God, or he IS God.
Many large organisations have been using that technique for Windows Pre Boot environments in their IT departments many years now! It was also the procedure for reimagining PCs at a hospital I did work experience at in their IT department but it just needed a password to boot into the Windows Pre Boot installation from the network! Of course it was a menu that you would name the PC in before selecting what Windows version you would like to install! :)
For install a bunch of machines at the same time is nice
Exactly!
@@TechnoTimyou really missed the point that PXE does require at least another machine + a patch cable + the client even able to do a PXE boot
if you have only one machine there's no way to set up PXE
you really should re-do this (or a longer regular video) explaining all the requirements as actual cons to using a flash drive as boot media
@@cryptearth. Um. Thought that was obvious?
@@user-pq9ji7kt4lthat's the issue with most tech-youtubers: they all assume that people have knowledge about the topic(s) they talk about in thier videos - when they often know that many of thier TARGET audienece has at least some vague idea about it while others who watch such shorts as the very first tech-content ever don't get it at all
the issue with this short here is: when you go to the site of this "product" the very first options you get presented are: "use a thumbdrive" and "burn a CD" with "use PXE" come at only 4th(!) option - while still not explain what PXE is but only shouting "use it!" to those who don't know anything about it
if this short here wouldn't be just some "tech advice" but rather some "serious advertisements" there're several countries in europe and the all-migthy EU itself you could be dragged to court for "false advertisement" as a claim is made that a) doesn't work this way, b) requires additional setup, c) requires quite a lot of explanation or at least experience in this topic
this entire short is complete bullshit - just deleting it and doing a proper full length video explaining what PXE is, what it requires, what it's good for and how to set it up would be WAY better ... but hey, I understand: YT pays by the views - the more you can fool the more money you make without have to deal with any who don't get it
ever wondered how much those idian/pakistani videos and thier crap shorts make? have a look - some do more than US-$ 10.000 A DAY(!) for actual crap
and who pays for it? those who try it and sometimes pay with thier lives - it's a bit like those idian call-center scammers: some people have no soul and don't care about ruin others peoples lives
Overly complicated for most people.... Even most tech nerds dont need it. Just get a larger usb drive and install ventoy.
Yes, I love ventoy, the best solution to ever exist.
When Ventoy decides to work, that is.
@@FlyboyHelosim When was the last time you've used ventoy?
It works fine for me windows and linux isos.
@@abdalnablse10 Literally two days ago.
@@FlyboyHelosim damn, what iso were you trying to load?
Hmmm this is interesting, I've wanted to do netboot for a while but Ventoy has made USB loading soooo easy. I think I'll give this a try, thanks.
Ooooold technology😂 its funny to see kids today discover dinosaur stuff like this and be like “daaaamn what a piece of new high tech!!!!”
Windows Installs via Netboot are rather annoying tho cause you need to remember a few commands before you can actually start the installer
Linux looking like mortal Kombat fr
This is so sick!
I don’t know why so many people are dogging on this, it’s his home lab. If this man walks into an interview he automatically looks better than you because not only does he does this at work but lives and breathes this at home too. The whole purpose of a home lab is to build skills and experimenting, not to make optimal use of the technology. It’s an investment that will end up paying for itself over time with knowledge gained, and if you enjoy this stuff (as this guy seems to) it’s pretty damn fun hobby too😅
Im just glad you dont have to use multiple floppy disks anymore
I am a pirate, i definitely need a usb so that the fbi doesn't know 😅
It uses the local network, not the internet. The FBI can’t track that.
Nah, you just need a VPN haha
Shh Googles listening
This seems like it would open up some really serious security concerns
Yeah...this is really slick, but as an OpenBSD guy btw, I feel much safer downloading install media from an approved source, then verifying it with signify(1).
@@PatousMcGillicuddy yeah I just don’t think bios really has the necessary facilities to be doing things on the internet safely
But you need a flash drive to use this as well
You still have to download the media. You imagine how slow this would be if it actually pulled it off the Internet every time? PXE has been around for 25 years or more. This is just a new way of delivering the same old thing. May be a better way, PXE was always a pain in the ass to implement, but It’s no more insecure than any location where you have hardware access to the machine, and direct interface to the network.
It would be nice if there was an Internet mode where you could just select any os and it would download it for you and boot to it. Sure it'd be a bit slow, but Internet connections are fast nowadays.
Great editing 🙃
2014: I can’t access my photos. The network is down and they’re on someone else’s computer.
2024: I can’t boot up my operating system. The network is down and it’s on someone else’s computer.
The future Rob Pike wanted
Did you even watch the video?
Unfortunately you need to be connected to the network via ethernet for this to work.
Daz nutz 🚮
Lol. I'd take a flash drive over that any day.
Ai generated pfp@@LilPersey
@@System_._.064 if u say so👍🏿
Fun fact: ventoy exists
But ventoy no is as stable as thise proyect
And it's the best solution to ever exist.
Iso booting should straight up just be built into uefi at this point. Even an optional extension in uefi spec is fine, just add it to your mainboard after buying is fine
Not so fun fact: versioning and update exists
@@beruang420 Fun fact: LTS exist.
I recently discovered Ventoy, so I'm happy with my USB drives.
Circa 1991 Linux install with 2.5 floppies and compiling on the fly...
(Feeling moist)
Imagine Skynet taking full advantage of this to kill us all
this is just serving isos over the network on boot. I think it wouldn't provide much utility to skynet.
@blarghblargh Don't underestimate Skynet. People made that mistake abd we ended up with Terminators
@@dr.zippymcscoots8725yeah it took only 7years from the first one to give us a liquid metal terminator. I'm personally more scared of the Daleks but yh don't underestimate skynet.
Hmmm I can already feel a zero day vulnerability coming
None the less, it’s a cool project
v1.0 was in 2019. do you own a time machine?
I'm definitely trying this out. I love this stuff and as a Networking 1 kid, this seems like so much fun😊
I used to do this for deployment on systems were used to work. I was a network administrator and was the main guy to maintain all of our equipment. I total of 200 different devices about 75 of that was just computers. This is used in large employment because it's easier to do a mass ISO and then just deploy it to all computers when you're doing updates and things like that
Awesome, thank you!
I just use one usb stick with ventoy which allows me to simply put img and iso files on the usb stick without flashing, it's probably the best tool to ever exist for this use case.
I think this is where I will have this laying around even though for my favorite plans.
Finally a worthy opponent to Aomei PXE Boot.
I hope you picked them usb,s out the garbage 😢
It's all fun and games, until you fucking realize that netboot has been proven to be fucking slow
I’ve been distro hopping for years and just now used my first usb drive install, all my computers have dvd drives and for me it’s just more efficient because I don’t have a lot of usb drives and the ones I have I need
i have those exact thumb drives in that exact quantity and was highly concerned for a second
No way i meed to test this before I'm convinced
It's called PXE and it's been around since the 90s
Yes, we know, but this is an automation tool for PXE. Not just PXE.
do you still use 5 1/4" floppies?
technologies layer and evolve.
google the project. or don't.
Neat!
>boots into Windows anyway
Not give a trash, give to me i need that!
This is great! Thanks buddy. And if you want to imagine sending usb drives to me, I'd be cool with that 😅
This feels so insecure by nature
That’s why you hardcode allowed hardware addresses on your PXE server and only allow those machines to load an OS (or specify a default locked down OS for unknown MACs)
That... seems like a really horrible way to boot into an os for numerous reasons.
oh that's such a safety hazard, like fire, it's badass, but dangerous
My answer to this is Ventoy, really cool tool, formats a single USB to be used for multiple OS installers, along with tools, literally makes your average joe USB into myriad of possibilities and multitool.
When you imagine an issues that doesn't exist...
When you imagine that networking booting is how all enterrpises manage their clients...
@@TechnoTim No enterprise uses more than one OS. Even if they’re stupid enough to use Linux or Windows. Why would you double the trouble and use both of them?
@@jansix4287it's early, but that's got to be a favorite to win most pathetic troll of the day
@@anullhandle Nope, this is an actual argument to have. Nobody wants to tinker with multiple setups. This issue does in fact not exist.
Imagine i been doing this for 20ish years.. imagine gpxe.. imagine this isn't new..
Ventoy. Everything you need.
I just imagine that I had a internet connection that was faster than 500 kbps. A nice dream.
how to connect to wifi in boot mode
bios menu
I don't like the idea. Downloading everything from the internet every time I want to install a system is not the coolest thing, I prefer ventoy.
And if we talk about hosting your own server then it's like downloading everything to your ventoy USB stick except you cannot take it with you and it's only on your LAN or you need to connect to your home from a different place.
Ok we do 'care'
macOS Recovery OS and Mac App store: did you forget about me?
Now I just need a new computer and at least a day to set this up!
1:54 is the best part for me personally, it's just so good
Good, now everyone can send me their flash drives that they want to discard.
an alternative would be ventoy, which doesnt even use the internet!
PXE doesn't use the internet either
This is usefull when u have lots of Computers lying around to install windows... It requires a dedicated computer publishing those OS on pxe... Will stick to usb
We've been using network boot since before USB, it has pros and cons.
Oh damn.... Ok I'ma have to try this on some vintage hardware for fun and punishment.
I need full detailed video on that
This is going to help me a lot at work, thanks!!!!
Nut boot has existed for a literal decades at this point, Solaris was originally intended to be net booted
Guess I did retain some knowledge from school lol, knew it was PXE booting in a few seconds.
*no thumb drives were hurt in the making of this video
PXE boot has been around for decades. It popular in networks that share common resources in the same Domain.
i remember the time XP used to take while installing, win7 onwards its so less .
Pretty useful for companies tbf
still need hard drives to store iso. This is cool stiil.
Netboot is good. Ventoy is amazing. I suppose they each have their use case. iVentoy is their new iPXE edition, though, so closer to Netboot as Ventoy is USB only.
I feel like this is the kind of thing that Linux distribution maintainers really wanted to happen with net installations, and hardware manufacturers were anticipating with network booting. Good to know someone's finally giving it a shot. Hopefully it's not too prohibitive in cost.
You might need usb drives even though you don’t need them but can be useful for emergency like if you accidentally break your computer 🖥️ you might want to keep them so you can transfer data to a new computer
I don't use USB though. I use CD's and DVD's still.
Okay fair enough I have used netboot images more than a few times...
I use my secondary HDD. Ventoy and Rufus are epic.
Ventoy my friends.
That's nice, but I also leave the house (as unimaginable as it is). I've manually configured PXE 3 years ago (and RPL later) when I wanted to netboot my retro PCs. Of course I also update with the lates linux ISOs and also made an UEFI PXE option. Edit: forgot to mention PXE is served by my x86 router running openwrt (fanless N5105, actually waiting now for an N100 replacement).
It was suspiciously useful
nah.. just a new threat vector
Citrix? Is that you, son!?
PXE boot, the first thing I disable on every machine. I prefer physical media, but they are slowly taking it away from me.
Same.
They're on to something if they can confirm security and reliability
This would be super slow with my wifi because downloading a windows 10 iso takes over 2 hours
Sooo... how do I boot this? - Yeah well you need an iPXE bootloader... - How do I get that onto the laptop I just bought without any OS? - Use a USB stick or set up an old fashioned PXE/TFTP server!
Yeah... come back when it's a firmware standard, or you can tell me how to install OpenWrt/LEDE on my cable modem without missing any modem drivers. That's the device I have that could possibly act as a PXE server.
My router won't let me configure PXE, so can't even just use my phone. Could perhaps be possible with phone tethering, any apps for that?
$30 USB drive vs. $500 server, $50 Switch...
The documentation says that it's mainly meant for kind of shrunk down Linux distros, but I think a full size windows installation can slow down the network.
There's an old boot option in BIOS called "legacy LAN"
Very interesting concept, hope soon systems will be able to boot from network directly and keeps its security in check.
I dont use USB drives either. I still use optical discs
Nah, rufus and sandisk is already doing the job for me if I ever need an fresh windows installation or windows pe
Ventoy on a USB, all the isos and files u want
*_clutching my 256g Samsung bar w/Ventoy like pearls_*
"We can stay airgapped now, bb."
This is brilliant. Thanks for sharing
The amount of words / terms / software used in this that I both know, but recognise that the vast majority of people would have no clue about is impressive.
I already don’t need USB drives for OS installs, I just use DVDs