The Ultimate Betrayal: The Case Of Jamie Lavis
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- In 1997, Openshaw in Manchester was rocked by the disappearance of a little boy; 8 year old Jamie Lavis. A bus driver came forward and said he’d seen Jamie that day, and following this, he quickly became very close to the Lavis family. But nobody could have imagined what would happen in the months that followed.
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I think a random stranger who is suddenly so involved in "solving" a crime should be fairly investigated as well and not seen as just the helper, but a possible suspect.
I'm amazed they took that long to arrest him, but very glad of the "strategic" driving offenses arrest that gave the coppers some time. All in all, good work. Thanks to those teens and his brother coming forward too. The brother will have been pressured not to by his own mam and dad, probably indirectly due to their trust in that c***, bless him.
@@curbyourshi1056 agree that the cops did a good job. So sorry for dear Jamie and his family, so much promise in such a young boy, gone.
I don't disagree but that's a slippery slope. I'm already hesitant to call for help when I see something suspicious due to everything being so public. These days, all it takes is a name or picture being put online and now someone's being accused of being involved. 🤷 I certainly agree that this was excessive, but where do you draw the line? What if someone's genuinely trying to help?
@@michelleprieur1 Never hesitate to act if you think something's wrong. I'd rather look like a dickhead than let a kid's life be taken any day.
@@michelleprieur1 I think it is always safe to assume that everyone is a possible suspect. I was talking about how the family embraced the guy like one of their own. Not sure if it is just me but I find his actions really strange, the way he talks in the interview give me vibes that he did it, maybe that is just my gut. But my point is see any strange fellow as a POSSIBLE suspect and not just a helper. If they are innocent, there is nothing to fear except of course if investigation is unfair and cops are corrupt.
Also, if you are not sure about reporting anyone, you can always chose to be anonymous and tell the authorities that it is just a feeling/no concrete proof, that maybe you'll feel better if they check it out. I don't trust police in my area but if I have the slightest input to save a life, give a possible justice, I will report.
Also I am not giving advice here. Just saying what I thought. I get your point but then again, there is a difference between possible suspect and simply suspect.
That photo of the killer SHIRTLESS, with his arms around the parents?? That's just vile.
I found that photo truly disturbing. Those poor parents trusting that evil man. Apart from losing their son they also have to cope with the fact they were associating with and trusting his killer.
Right!? wtf
It’s offensive
Yes.! It’s just stomach-turning. I could hardly wrap my head around how sick that is.
And why the fuck he evem took that with em in the middle seat? That truly disturbing , please stay safe guys And look for ur children And neighbours!
How sick was this?! The fact the parents just allowed the guy they don't even know to take root in their family shows how blinding grief can be. So sad and sick!
That is what grief can do...
"When we endeavor to fill the terrible void, sometimes the void can consume us."
He knew that losing their son would rip a whole in the life of his family.. and just like some kind of parasite he "nested" in this void/whole knowing the parents would try to somehow "fix" it, he presented himself as the on who could patch it up..
I guess the family is double traumatized now...
The pain of loosing a child is close to unbearable already.. but they also have to live with the trauma that the killer of the little one made himself at home with them.. gained their trust, their love, was near to their other kids..
How does anyone deal with the ammount of guilt this will trigger?
Also, they threw a party for him.. that man who killed their son.. how sick
@@fraukie1598 ...oh my God...it is absolutely disgusting...in just minute 4 I had to stop watching it...made me sick to the stomach and infuriated me to such degree I began scrolling through the comments...somebody has wrote he was on parole 5 years later...how can ANYBODY be on parole after THAT anyway? outrageous
He seemed to be helpping them but they most be dozy , red flags went off with so much involvement other than a few calls or something
I have been told grief is blinding. In so many ways.
I was allowed to raom the streets when I was a kid ,and sometimes I feel like it's a miracle I'am still alive .
How the heck was he eligible for parole after 5 years? 🤦🏻♀️
I was exactly the same.
It was just the thing we did as kids back then :( so normal
It’s what most of us did back then, eras have changed considerably since.. mostly because of evil wa nkers like this - absolute wastes of oxygens that no longer make our streets safe for kids.
@@LauraBidingCitizen I don't think the streets were ever safe - these cretins have always been around. I also had total freedom and looking back remember a few iffy situations. Good luck things were ok I think.
@@BellaLeoLicorice I disagree to a point. It’s not that crimes weren’t around back then, because there were (cases such as Kelly Anne Bates - 1996, James Bulger - 1990, Sophie Hook - 1995, Sarah Payne - 2000, Jessica Chapman / Holly Wells - 2002 (the year I left secondary / high school & it was half an hour from me) - just to name a few) - but the streets were rammed with other kids / teens / adults who were hyper vigilant, adults were determined not to let these monsters take their children’s childhood - I remember distinct conversations amongst adults that they didn’t want to wrap kids up in cotton wool & parents constantly keeping watch, kids keeping a look out & parents making us go around in groups more often if we could, but it was also a completely different time in the 90’s. Little technology compared to now. You couldn’t really coop kids up. It’s easy to throw a tablet, laptop, games console or phone at a kid now & let them amuse themselves but back when I was younger you made your own amusement. You’ll always find huge cases (quite rightly) get more media attention, but realistically speaking a child is more likely to come to harm by someone they know than a complete stranger; that’s statistically proven.
Things like this have been going on since my parents era of the 50’s but it didn’t stop them having a childhood, or my older siblings. Things have only changed because we as a society have changed with how we bring kids up, everything relies solely on technology, roles have reversed in family homes - most mums no longer are stay at home parents, a lot of parents have full time jobs, dynamics have just changed.
Me too, used to build dens in fields with friends at Jamie's age, sadly I think it comes down to luck (bad luck for Jamie) 😞
That guy had his filthy hands on their shoulders. That picture must turn their stomachs now that they know, those are the hands that killed their son.
What's really creepy about that photo is he has his shirt off!! Why the hell would he be sitting between them without a damn shirt? UGH
So disturbing.
As a parent/grandparent, I would have been very suspicious of a young bus driver who was overly concerned and just happened to be the last person to see my child. What a horrible tragedy
They were fools. They don’t look like they’re too tightly wrapped...the whole thing is bizarre. Why was the boy on his own at the bus station in the first place?!?
I am a mother of a murdered child this breaks my heart. There's nothing worse than losing a child. My deepest sympathy for the family, hugs and prayers for all in Iowa.
sorry for your loss. no parent should ever have to bury a child.
I’m very sorry for your loss 😔
I'm so sorry for your loss, I don't know how your able to watch this sort of stuff.
I hope you have found some semblance of peace.
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Omg God love. You 🙏
I don't know who attacked Vickers in the prison with the hammer, but it seems his aim was a little off because Vickers isn't dead.
Perfectly put.
Right should have used the claw end.
Let's hope for another attack. I can't stand murderers and r4pists, especially when children are involved.
Let's hope someone else succeeds.
@@doriangrey9702 totally agree !!
Eligible for parole after 5 years and yet the man who attacked him in prison got a life sentence? "Justice" system is broken. That poor family and the incredible betrayal on top of unspeakable atrocities is so vile.
That’s the Uk justice system for you. They give light sentences.
They’re so busy protecting offenders that they lose sight of the victims and their families.
💯% agree!
If i ever does get out hes a deadman
@@KA-bg6iqit’s not just the UK….it’s the west in general. Sentencing for monsters who prey on kids is a joke. A guy in Rochester NY got 180 DAYS in jail for r@ping 2 girls who were 4 & 9 years old. It’s deranged
UPDATE: After serving the minimum of 25 years he was eligible to be considered for release. The Parole Board reviewed the case on Febuary (2023) They had the options to release him on licence or transfer him to an open prison, they deemed neither of these to be suitable and denied the possibility of release. I hope they put a huge red 'NOT SUITABLE FOR RELEASE' stamp on his name. Not sure why anybody hasn't beaten him half death, twice. But I'm glad he doesn't get to see freedom, he will never deserve it. RIP Jamie we will never forget you little dude.
Thank goodness. Thank you for the update x
Thanks for the update. Surprised he's still alive to be honest.
@@richardgray131185 Same :/
I don't think Darren Vickers will ever be released, and rightly so. Not after the way he tried to deceive everyone. Sexually abusing a kid and killing him was bad enough, but to then ingratiate himself with the family takes a special kind of nutcase.
R.I.P. Jamie. 😔😞
All bets on he's in isolation. Paedophiles are always dealt with by other prisoners
The end statement of his mother was very touching. To think that he was on his way to buy his mom a birthday gift. So heartbreaking. RIP Jamie😔
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Incredulous that he actually became the “spokesperson” for the family
What a psycho
Death penalty, anybody?
@@sidewalks22 an eye for an eye and torture
@@oranje9342 you said it best, yet you have those who maintain monsters like these can get rehabd; wtf*
And moved in with the family WTF 😳
It’s a SPECIAL KIND OF SICK!! Prob got off on how tortured that lil boys parents/family were over their son..got front row seats for it too. And also..stay that close so he could hear (from police) any deets about the case, try and know if there was anything found or suspected from him...what a sicko monster!!! May he rot in hell thru future eternity!!👿😡🥺
I have always been opposed to the death penalty but stories like these make me question my own politics. This is not a person who can be rehabilitated. This is pure evil.
United kingdom justice system is weak ass joke.
@H N stfu with your rude a**. She has a right to her opinion on any matter just like everyone else. Get a life because being an internet troll is not it. I can’t stand p*ss* a** punks that have alot to say behind a keyboard. Beat it troll.🙄
@H N spoken well. I believe in an eye for an eye and some torture for special fuckers like this
@@oranje9342 Agreed, torture then a brutal dispassionate death.
Living entire life in a tiny prison cell is more torturous than death penalty.
No wonder he got attacked. My jaw dropped when you claimed he was bragging about the crime in prison. He must not realize how they treat those who hurt children in the prison/jail culture. He doesn't even have to brag, they'll find him and make him pay the old fashioned way, in blood.
@Lt Brook protective custody doesn't make them unreachable.
Like how come you brag about a child you murder? It’s a child for God’s sake. If there is hierarchy for murderers. Child murderer will be on the lowest level
@Lt Brook In not convinced of your claims.
@Lt Brook In virtue of Hitchen's razor, that which may be asserted without any evidence may be also rejected without any evidence.
KARMA will get him one day I'm sure as some of the toughened male prisoners have nowt to loose..
The parents were so vulnerable and he played on that.
Imagine having the person who killed your son live with you and not know it.
The rest of the family are lucky to be alive.
Nah. The parents seem dodgy to me. Illuminati ritual vibes
The way he inserted himself was exactly like Ian Huntley! They belive they are acting like everyone else but their behaviour gets them caught absolutely devstating
He was exactly who I thought about when I saw this...smh evil pure evil.
Also his stupid comments sound exactly like those of Stuart Hazel. The police should have warned the family to be wary of him.
Stephen McDaniel also comes to mind
Great point about them thinking they're acting like everyone else. That's something they don't point out, but you're right. Because they feel no real empathy, they tend to overdo it when they feign it.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin yes! They do they over compensate like watts for INSTANCE he was mirroring I believe his entire life so when being interviewed he does and says the correct things but the body language tells u something completely different one thing is they forget u also show emotion I mean watts was so busy thinking he was a genius and he may well have a high IQ but he had zero humanity and zero common sense and the later is so common in highly intelligent people, like the shoes he left he had not even taken into account the fact she wore them every single day her bag the meds every single basic human item left I actually think he did take a pair of shananns shoes for effect but they were really high wedges ! Out of the norm watts was Bundy talks in t&e third person and he should of been interviewed that way but no also when you have people who are thanking people straight off the bat like the phillpots thanking people 6 kids dead supposed killer not found but yet they thanked people orin and orsen they did exactly the same and now Donald wells the serial killer and abuser is doing too and he inserted himself so much he it would appear has full rein on the narrative it's insane thanking people sympathising saying about being empathetic to someone who potentially took their daughter and possibly killed her but he chose to sympathize and almost empathise with apparent criminal he gives information as his own claiming its CANDUS'S it's not its him which INTRESTINGLY leads me to the NARCISSIST because they are incredible at fooling 1 person possibly 3 but when u try that on a monumental scale we see it plain as day sorry gone on a tangent lol the psychology intrigues me like when they let child abuser women abuser go on good behaviour in a prison full of men 🤔 yeah because they don't have access to their obsession they come out and kill them it drives me insane lol
The justice system is so pathetic... a child killer shouldn't be eligible 4 nothing but misery and death
as far as i'm concerned..if u phuck with children u lose your right to be treated like a human being...
The justice system is a joke. It only cares about the rights of murderers and rapists.
I think many of the judges are pedos themselves. This makes more sense to me than these light sentences for monsters. Most people agree that this is one of the most heinous crimes yet time and again these creeps get f all prison time. Why don’t the laws reflect what the majority want?
@@kimmyfreak200 yet he was eligible for parole in 5 years.. pedophiles must have made up these laws and sentences.
That’s the UK justice system for you. They let people out easily.
Although I realize how upset Jamie's parents were at the time, who in the right mind would let a random stranger just take over being the family spokesperson like that? I can't imagine.
Illuminati humiliation ritual
@@Gematrinator get meds you schizo
Those types of people target the vuknerable and would’ve sen him as a link to Jamie.
you already answered your own question. they weren't in their right mind. Having a missing and likely dead child can easily make you out of your mind with grief. The real question is why did it take the police so long to put together that he was acting really suspicious
Throwing a party for him😮
Police should have checked the bus station footage the second they heard he was on a bus that day instead of just relying on what some random bus driver said wtf!!!!!!!!
They had hours of it to watch
This is common for the murderer to insert themselves into the investigation to relive the crime. So sickening!
Yes, Ian Huntley did a similar thing - this must be one of the red flags
Just ftr, it's actually very rare. You just hear a lot about it when it does happen, so it seems more frequent than it is. Just like kids being kidnapped by strangers, mothers who kill their children, school shootings. Statistically speaking, all are extremely rare. At any rate, I really don't like to judge and hindsight is always 20/20, but how in the hello did these parents not find this suspicious? It's sad, may they find peace.
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@@michelleprieur1 Illuminati ritual and the parents knew, i wouldnt feel too sorry for them. The only one i feel sorry for is the child
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You know from what I’ve been told about prison (At least American prisons) is that it’s probably not a wise idea to brag about being a child predator.
If he was bragging about it then he was most likely in a prison that held mostly child predators and other sex offenders, or at least a wing of a prison for them. These days they put those scumbags all together most of the time because they'll be attacked by other inmates. They should all have pedo tattooed on their foreheads and get tossed into gen-pop.
That’s why he got a hammer to the head 😊 hopefully he doesn’t shut up.
I think it was more his "achievement" how he succeeded to get the family to trust, defend and even love him.
But I guess the story with the hammer proves that his plan to impress the other prisoners with his brilliant manipulation game didn't exactly played out like he wanted it too.
I don’t mean any disrespect but it’s unbelievable how cops didn’t take him to question him as soon as he told them that Jamie was the whole day on his bus. Like- what kind of kid would be at the bus the whole day?
Lawyers make money getting this type scum defense to the point of having to see the crime before arresting the suspects.
The law is on the side of suspects!!
We need harsher laws.
Too many young people want grace, forgiveness for suspect.
What about victims and families!!!!
ikr? And why did it take them so long to review the footage from the bus depot?
@@apopuffkin1717 YUP!? Like, if someone claimed he was there WHY not check the cameras THERE?! 😭
@@dxniela03 Would have been the first place I checked. Took them a while to look into the guy's background as well to see he consorted with pedos. If they had that information earlier they could have informed the parents and it may have swayed them away from associating with him.
All kinds of bungling with this case, and its just sad the family had to be dragged through all that.
My kid spent a whole day training back and forth between Dallas and Fort Worth before we found her, she was having the time of her life and did not mind that she had lost mommy and daddy (until she got hungry lol).
She was also doing exactly what she was told, if she ever get separated from us don't move - we'll find you! The police thought we lost her at the terminal, so they didn't thoroughly search the train we'd come in on and since all the trains were given a cursory search, they didn't find her and let the trains go on running.
I had a feeling she was just distracted by the scenery or napping and kept asking them to search the trains AGAIN but the police were far more focused at all the people in the train depot that could have taken her. I'm sure tons of people watched hours of footage and didn't see her because she never got off the train.
She found us 6 hours later when we rode the same train back home and she heard our voices. The first thing she said to me is I missed you and I'm hungry!
I wanted to shake her, cry and reabsorb her back into my own body so she could never get lost again - ugh that was a hard mom day!
So why ride a bus all day? Why would my 5 year old want to ride a train all day? Kids are kids, when they feel safe they want to explore. Whether that sense of safety is false or not is a whole nother discussion....
Absolutely despicable that evil was in their midst and they did not know it. How remorseless are you that you can look the parents of your victim in the eye while you associate with them.
It’s absolutely shocking isn’t it
You can’t possibly fathom it can you
And move in with them. Totally Diabolical 😡😡
Yeah, but they are as guilty as the murderer in my opinion!
@@emilygilbeyful well it’s quite a dumb opinion
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That picture of Darren without his shirt and the Lavis makes me gag
That was as nicely put together as anyone could about something as truly awful as this.
What kind of family don’t know where their child is all day ? 🤬🤬
It was a normal for a lot of kids in openshaw .finish school t then out with m8s till dark. Yes it was a dark shity place .😢😢
Where are the times we could be children and roam all day around the town without issues... Today you barely leave home to get groceries without getting robbed.
When I was little, in the 80s, it was normal kids in the neighborhood played together all day, and went home at dinnertime. You shouldn't be so judgmental of this poor family.😢
it was the norm back then. Still, directing your anger towards the victim's family is kinda gross. They're not responsible for what that monster did to their son.
Despicable he must have gotten off of their sadness and misery. So sorry for Jamie’s family
He was trying too stay ahead of the "Police department" he was trying to keep in the midst of talking to them.
Fuck his family!!!! They didn't protect him! Poor baby, I have an 8 year old, and was an 8 year old at the time..... But I never was left alone at that age, and never would leave my child alone either! They are stupid idiots who chose to protect the disgusting pervert! People that stupid don't deserve children! Poor sweet baby Jamie!
@@emilygilbeyful ok good for you Miss Judgemental. It was a very different time back then and you have to look at the culture and the context
It's almost like grooming but after the child was gone...
He was definitely getting a lot of pleasure off of it. A true psychopath.
WOW, so many people sending their love to Jamie is lovely to see! He was my first cousin, Karen is my auntie and reading the comments that feel sorry for her is sickening! If only you know the truth. I can't say what I know but he was NOT a stranger trust me.
I remember going to Jamies' funeral and just being around that monster, you just had this sick uneasy feeling, the way he 'stalked' instead of walking, the way he laughed and joked. Me and my sister slept on that sofa. Erch.
Jamie was the same age as me and my mum loved him so much she made him a football field cake for his birthday/funeral.
Thank you for making this video, Jamie will never be forgotten.
Reading between the lines on think I see what you are saying here and if I’m right she’ll have to live with it forever. I’m so very sorry for your family and the loss of this lovely little lad 💔
I just knew it. There was no way people could be this stupid, grief or no grief, to not spot that this man was acting so strangely. I came to give my alternative view like I usually do, expecting to get jumped on but you, a family member have confirmed what I thought. I'm so sorry you had to deal with all of this and I hope your poor mum is OK too ❤
That picture of his shirt off with them on the couch spoke volumes.
So was she sleeping with him beforehand? Is that how he first met Jamie? Was the relationship an open relationship? The photo with the top off on the couch makes it look like he's having sex with them BOTH!
Why can’t you say what you know?
I don’t feel sorry for Jamie’s parents, something is very, very off. Letting your tiny 8 yr old roam the streets on their own, & throwing a party for that sicko…… completely crazy 😡
How do you throw a party when your precious child is still missing 🤬
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how are they going to sentence him 25 years but after only being in for 5 he was up for parole???.... thank god he didn’t get it
Thank god those teenagers recognised Darren and went to the cops. They might’ve never found Jamie’s body otherwise.
What a truly horrific story. That man Darren is truly evil incarnate.
RIP dear Jamie. Prayers and love to his family 💔💔🙏🏼
That little eulogy she wrote for him had me in tears ngl
Ngl: im not gonna lie. Did i guess it?
@@sidewalks22 lol yes ngl (not gonna lie). 😊
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 You're quite the judgmental one!
@@powerfully_confident1739 tysm for confirming my former doubt🙏🙏
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I watched a docu on this on itv in the U.K. and Karen writes her own poetry now since she lost him. It is her words actually. And your comment is quite nasty.
That photo where Darren is shirtless hugging the 2 parents must fill the parents with rage after founding out what he did. They laughed with him, celebrated him, shared their pain with him only to find out the bastard who killed their son was living in their own house.
They don't look like the sharpest tools in the box
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This is brilliant to you? Yeah lets leave a joke comment with laugh faces on a video about a little boy who was molested and murdered. Ur soo quirky wow.
I have never heard of this case. How horrible. This is one very sick and disturbed individual and he should never be free to roam the streets again. This guy will do it again.
Hats off to the bus company for checking his background properly ,idiots ,driving offences ,past sex offences and still got a bus driving job,wtf 🤬,rip little man ❤️
They didn’t have to do that back then. Nowadays checks are more stringent.
That picture of Darren and the parents sitting on the couch, him with his shirt off, is so bizarre! How did that photo op even come about? Strange.
To sadistically assault and murder an adult is horrifying enough, but only a grotesque monster would do the same to a child. Darren Vickers murdered Jamie and then set his sights on John. He has no right to continue breathing.
Unfortunately John as passed away hes with jamie now 🕊🕊💙💙
@@Molly656 omg do u know how he passed away if you dont mind me asking?
@@milaw4938 I'm sure it was due to drugs.. there was a memorial page for Jamie on fb there was information on it I don't know if it's still there..
@@Molly656 thank u i will go look it up
@@Molly656
Illuminati ritual allowed by the mother. Wakey wakey people. Evil is evil
The fact that he manipulated this poor family's devastation & grief into believing that he was "truly helping" them find their missing son, all while trying to deceive the police is beyond devastating. They trusted in him & stood behind him even when the police were doubting him. Thankfully those 2 teenagers stepped up when they did, & no other children were harmed due to his heinous actions.
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The picture where he’s shirtless with his arms around the parents literally made me gag. It pisses me off how stupid the parents were
Stupid? Nah this was all an illuminati ritual. Too many red flags.
@@ROBERTTONUS ^
I’m so confused…life sentence with a minimum term of 25 years but is then eligible for parole after 5 years? Can someone explain THAT atrocity to me?
British justice system 🤷♀️
It's bs... He's unlikely to ever be released.
He recently had a parole hearing and he was denied.
Why, why, why would parents let a child roam the streets especially alone? I don't understand people.
And last but not least, I wonder why he would be bragging to other inmates about what he had down... none of them take kindly to their type. Surprised he was only attacked once so far, but hopefully next time they get him, they get him good, till his demise.
I totally agree.
Probably put him in with the chesters.
Just give the p.o.s. a massive beat down every cpl days.Let him beg 4 his life then c how he feels.
It might have been in solitary and they were talking through their doors; then released into general pop. I don't know for sure. But there aren't many secrets in prison.
Beat him until he’s a vegetable and then let him live the rest of his days like that
Psychopathic Narcissists are not human. They do NOT posses human traits and feelings. They have to go through life acting and pretending at having human emotions. Sadly, we will meet about three to five of these people in our lifetimes, they just don't harm us simply because we don't have what they want or need at the time.
Absolutely horrific!! Definitely gotta say this is what a parents worst nightmare is made of!! I swear people are so vile!! Anyway, thank you for all your amazing videos!! I so appreciate it 😊😊
This case sickened me even more than I thought it would, truly heartbreaking,much love to Little Jamie's Family 🌹
There are so many sick people in this world. I won’t ever understand hurting another person but hurting a child is beyond horrendous and then inserting yourself into the family and acting like a spokesperson for them is incomprehensible. He will definitely pay for what he’s done, if not in this world, in the next.
Stacy K : this monster wont' pay in "the next world" simply because there's none, but he will dearly pay in this because he is in prison surrounded by people whom don't like him at all, and in a very sick way, that's justice.
What a heartbreaking case.🥺 your voice has so much sympathy🤞🏽
So heartbreaking. You deserved so much more young man. RIP Jamie.
I'll never understand how some people could be so evil. I hope that POS gets what's coming to him!
10:07 If this guy had outstanding driving offenses, how was he able to get a job driving a public bus? 🤨
Same for his references; one was a convicted ped. Who has time to make all those calls?🙃
Thank you for a perfect atmosphere and video . Please don't change a thing. What a sad story.
This guy’s right up there with the guy, Mitchell Quy, who killed his wife, thought he’d gotten away with it, and then spent all of his free time with a camera crew following him around as he pretended to be a good parent and a totally innocent man. All the idiotic shit he said made everything so much worse on him.
Jeezo, how right you are... Quy was a proper psycho. I think he actually believed his own lies.... !! So glad they got him in the end.
So true, Ian Huntley was the same!!!
@@funkyfun6308 Yes! Huntley was all out deranged!!!
I’m so glad I found this channel, because I don’t get to hear about the UK and London cases all that much….. until now!
Another Ian Huntly...absolute evil.
That poor family, in such a vulnerable position they trusted him
Was that the caretaker that killed those 2 girls?
@@mitchand9 that's the scumbag
Your channel is my FAVORITE crime channel on CZcams!! Your reporting is brilliant! You obviously do a lot of research and spend a lot of time on these. You are appreciated!! We need more videos!! 👏🏼👏🏼 well done!
I kept refreshing the page! Yay, thank you for the upload.
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Best crime channel on CZcams
These sort of videos give me this chilling feeling, and it's like I can see the world when Jamie was still alive and it was bright and colorful and then after he was gone everything felt so empty and gray...its so disturbing how someone can be there one minute and gone the next. And all the more so when it is in this way. A life that could of been. The last poem by his mom makes my heart hurt.
Why did the parents seriously take him in?
He obviously was very manipulative and picked on them when they were vulnerable.
They let their 8 year run all over the town and then let a random man into their home where he could’ve molested and killed their other son.
@@yakiralovesall Yeah I agree that was messed up.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504
If you don't know them personally, why do you say this?
@@Kitty-mb4hy but you don’t know the commenter personally, so how are you questioning her opinion ... works all ways.
This channel is so underrated. It needs to reach to millions. People need to see the monsters who lives among us and this channel is doing just that.
it would if she didnt have volume issues with some episodes
This is my fave true crime Channel 👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you for your work
Downloaded this ready for my Monday morning drive to work 🙌🙌thank you & please keep sharing your videos 🤗
Can’t believe the parents, would leave a frail, 8 year old out all day, unsupervised. That’s shocking to me.
Can’t believe that’s what you commented, how about your shock for the disgusting nonce
@@helenk6049 people can be shocked about multiple things at once, helen. I'm sure he's shocked and disgusted at the shitbag who caused all of this as well. jesus, can people not have opinions or make their OWN comments nowadays?
I thought the same. I wouldn't let my teenagers ride a bus alone
It was, like, 25 years ago. Times were really different back then.
I would go out from 8 o’clock in the morning and wouldn’t come home at all until gone 8 o’clock at night. That stuff was “normal” in the 90’s and early 00’s. Now not so much because of nonces like this 🤦♀️
Thank you for bringing this case to the forefront! Accuracy and respect for the victim & their family are a difficult balance to master, but you nailed it!
Accuracy from what the media know*
This is my new favorite crime channel.
This case is incredibly sick. That guy has to be a new kind of f’n monster
Jamie Lavis went to my children's primary school. The school has a memorial garden and plaque for Jamie. When people found out what happened to Jamie we were shocked and saddened by what happened to that poor child.
It’s not enough to harm a child, he wanted all the attention too.
What type of parents let an eight year old ( who even looked smaller for his age) unsupervised to play on his own. And the worst is waiting to check on him until dinner time. We live in a dangerous world and it is parents prerogative to see to the safety of their children!!
Neglectful ones.
Exactly!
I was thinking this too. I can see letting your 8a year old play in the yard, or maybe even in the neighborhood (if u know neighbors well).
But an 8 year old going to the bus station on their own?
I believe the video said he was seen there at like 10am.
So an 8 year old goes out to play at 10am. And parents don't think anything til it gets dark out? At that point you haven't seen your kid for what? 7-8 hours?
I feel awful for the family, but an 8 is still too young to be out of sight for that long of time.
oh stop we played all day outside till dinner sometimes a few blocks away or at the basketball courts. now adays kids are teens and dont know how to do anything so sheltered. we watched videos on stranger danger and what not to do or go with one. that schools and parents failed to do with him.
@@tankthearc9875 don't become a parent.
Subscribed! Love this channel. How the videos are not too long, there’s no annoying, distracting background music, and your voice is so soothing! I have binged your videos this last week since I discovered the channel. Thanks for the great work! Looking forward to many more great stuff! 🌟❤️
Rest in peace Jamie 🙏. So sad 😭
Love this channel right to the point. No messing around!
Thank you for the superior work💖
I understand the family was grieving and just wanted a saving grace. Darren was that for them, but my suspicious behind would not have trusted a stranger that was last seen with my baby. He looks crazy to me anyway
This is a whole new level of evil and 'inserting oneself into the investigation'. He moved in with the parents of his victim and started grooming another of their children. 😢😢😢
Don’t think thats what happened. I believe his mother was evil, and she knew. He was going after jamie’s brother and i’m sure as hell she knew that too. Freemason ritualistic vibes
@@Gematrinator it is what happened. coming up with some other crazy story to downplay that reality is, well, crazy on your end.
@@mdiddio the only crazy people here are the one’s who believe the parents were innocent in this case ya bellend
Just discovered your channel absolutely hooked🤯
Ah this breaks my heart, I also have a son. I think after watching all these videos I will never allow anyone around him. Whether they are strangers or family, I'll watch him like a hawk. If anyone tries to get close to him inappropriately I will sure as hell out a 20 km distance between us.
Same here
Love this channel 👍
The loss of a child is painful. Im so sorry for your loss 😭Im preparing my 22 year old son funeral. When a monster takes our loved one's is horrible , traumatizing. Changes your life forever 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm so sorry for your loss, your going through every parents worse nightmare. I really hope you can get through this. I will pray for you and your son. 🙏
@@legendrickgrimes5164 Thank u🙏💝
So sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss
Lots of love
Bummer...so early I can't find a spoiler comment! I prefer to read who the killer/perp is and then watch...not great with suspense.
Same!
This is sick. Adding trauma to trauma. This is disgusting.
Darren is a dangerous criminal who could actually act so naturally after committing a heinous crime.
I remember this case in the news, it did seem so strange that the bus driver had went to such lengths to help the family and definitely had me suspicious from when he began appearing on the news. The mad thing is he must've really thought that doing that would save his bacon even after what he did. Totally messed up!
im new to this channel....FANTASTIC,thank you
Jamie was from my area I still speak to his sister.. RIP jamie 💙 never forgotten 🕊🕊🕊
Don’t usually post comments like these but what the f*** were the parents doing letting their tiny 8 yr old child roam the streets on their own!
& letting that monster get so close to them, letting him move in, & throwing a party when he was 1st released from being arrested over Jamie’s murder! 😡
Something very off about this family. Poor poor Jamie, Rip little one 😢
He groomed him and then groomed his family after he murdered him horribly. They threw him a party… I can’t get my head around the fact that they threw him a party and he knew the whole time.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 That is disgusting! Evil incarnate…
When my children were 8 years old they didn't leave the yard without my knowledge. And that was 25 years ago. I would never ever ever allow an 8-year-old to get on a local bus without an escort.
In highschool I had a bus driver who let me and my friend sit up front next to him and we all told dirty jokes etc. looking back it feels extremely inappropriate.
Poor boy, poor family. Tragic.
Another gripping listen. Your narration is excellent. Thank you.
I remember this case I lived on the same street as Jamie. Vickers took Jamie & killed him. Vickers told his cell mate they'll never find his head, they buried him without his head.
Omg. Heartbreaking is an understatement. R.I.P little Jamie 😔🤍
I’m binge watching everything on ur channel.
Literally as soon as I get the notification you’ve posted I watch. My only complaint is that it’s once a week and not every day lol.
Be happy that there are not enough crimes to post about every day!!!!
@@mrsTraveller64 there’s always one 🥱
The quote at the end was absolutely heartbreaking and touchingly beautiful.