APC in a Foam Cannon Guide! | Tutorial
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- You asked, I answered! Many people have been asking about the APC in a Foam Cannon technique that I showcase in my videos. So here I will show you guys how to properly do this method, dilutions, pH ratings, and foaming capabilites of different brands. Take some notes and enjoy the video!
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Thank you guys, stay safe and stay fresh! ;)
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0:00 Intro
1:01 What is APC Pre-Wash?
1:43 Benefits to APC Pre-Wash
3:53 Disclaimers
5:26 Quick Demo
8:39 Credit Where Credit is Due
9:34 Thorough Before and After
19:54 pH Testing Different APCs
28:15 Testing Different APCs in a Foam Cannon
32:28 Final Thoughts
33:27 Outro
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So I have been getting several messages here and there regarding this method with coated vehicles, will it strip wax, how often you should use this, and when to use it. Apologies for not covering this in the video 😭I will answer that here ;)
1. Coated Cars : MOST, not all, most ceramic coatings on their product description should tell you the pH resistance level. If your coating has a max pH resistance of 10, then you should use this method sparingly. So dont use this EVERY wash, but only when the contaminents are getting out of hand. Like, REALLY DIRTY. Most coatings can easily take the hit, not to mention there are plenty of CZcams videos of people torture testing coatings, so with this APC Pre Wash I am sure you will be fine ;)
2. Strip Wax? : No matter what you do, pH neutral soap and water alone, can still strip the wax to some extent. This APC Pre Wash can shed a light amount of FRESH wax, and for old wax maybe about 50-70% removal, but it has to be REALLY old wax with no toppers or detail sprays in between washes. Honestly I think its good that it strips a little, similar to human skin, you want the dead/old layer to be removed so you can reveal a fresh surface. To which you can add more wax, topper, or detail spray. All waxes and soaps are different so top your wax, add more wax, or detail spray according to your needs ;)
3. How Often? : DO NOT USE THIS FOR EVERY WASH YOU DO ON A SINGLE CAR. if you are detailing the same car, I would say use this method every 3-5 washes, ASSUMING it is in your care and the contaminents are not getting out of hand. First time customers, Neglected vehicles, abandoned cars, muddy trucks, and Traffic Film coated surfaces are where this APC Pre Wash shines the best since it thoroughly cleans a majority of the junk before initiating in the contact wash. So dont over use this method if its the same car and you wash your car frequently.
4. When to use it? : This method is handy with cars that clearly have a horrendous amount of grime, tar, bird poo, mold, fall out, mud, traffic film, organic growth, and anything else that we detailers will see with disgust. HOWEVER, I would not recommened this on vehicles that are clean (wash 1-2 times a week), such as maintained clients, rare or hyper cars that cost more than your own home, and just obvious clear signs that the car is clean. So don’t use this method for every car, observe and use your best judgment.
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Hopefully that answers future questions xD More questions? Comment below! ;)
How about ONR pre-wash with waxed, coated on not too much dirty car or maintenance wash. Have you ever try it?
I will be honest, I never had good luck with ONR on dirty vehicles. At that point you should just do the traditional wash because ONR works better on lightly dirty or dusty vehicles.
because ONR is a polymer based cleaner, it should in theory work better on a waxed surface, but because it is a pH neutral cleaner, it has no effect with traffic film, grime, and bird droppings. hopefully this answers your question 😎😎😎
But neither does it say to NOT use it 🤔 Under the wrong hands I would say no, for obvious reasons.
If you are familiar with alkaline based soaps, they are not too different from the base chemistry 🧪 So you can definitely use this when it is NECESSARY, not for maintenance washes ☝️
This was very helpful as I've been wanting to implement a pre-wash step in my process with a foam cannon (I hate pump up sprayers). I haven't decided on an APC yet though, I'm shifting away from Super clean, and some of the ones I'm considering are Nanoskin Multiclean, DIY All Clean, 3D Super Pre-soak (which is an actual pre-soak not really an APC). But IDK what the PH is on these, or what the dilution ratio would be on the APCs.
Thanks for the feedback champ! appreciate the support! 🙏
I would argue that most all purpose cleaners will work perfectly fine. Just make sure to follow the instructions and observe how the grime comes off. If your customers have someone clean cars, I would probably not use an APC, but instead a dedicated prewash soap 🤔 Something like KCX Super foam is pretty solid even at something like 1:10
It was a pleasure having you as a guest on my show! Continue working hard and good things will happen! :)
Thank you so much for the kind words Pan! It really was an honor being on your show! and same to you, keep the hustle going and wish you mass success on your platform! 😎😎😎
Can I get a link to that video
Boo!
Thank you for taking time to deliver this information. I've been searching for sufficient info to start this product and I can now go forward with confidence. Keep up the good work.
Awesome video ! Filled with so much information and proper evidence to showcase each product I am definitely going to try out the APC foam cannon pre rinse !
Thank you for the feedback champ! I appreciate people noticing the time it takes to get good research on my claims ;) Try it out and let me know!
@@CardosCarDose Is the super clean 4 to 1 = 4 parts water and one part super clean, correct? The other thing is that I do live in the desert and only have a carport. I usually wait till the evening but it is still very warm...101 degrees in the evening. Do you think that using a pre wash with super clean 4 to 1 would be ok at that temp
I use 4 parts water to 1 part product 😉
NOOOO 😂 ☀️ 🔥 I would not risk using an APC at such a temperature. Now, that's the weather temperature, your car in reality is much hotter than that even if it's colored white. In such claimants a canopy is called to order or wait early in the morning or late in the afternoon.
Super well made and informative video. Thank you!
Thanks ma champ! 😎
Thank you! The best, most honest, and clearly explained video I have ever washed (watched) on CZcams. Kept my attention every second of the way, without letting affiliate fever spoil the whole thing!
As they say on MTV... Excellent!
Keith
Austin Texas USA
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Glad the video was helpful for you 😎👍 Thanks for the kind words Keith! 💯 Honesty comes first as always! ☝️
Brilliant information! Thanks for sharing. I will definitely give APC in a foam cannon a go. Thanks again. Looking forward to more informative contents from yourself, new subscriber gained 💪
Thanks champ! 😎 Glad you found this informative! Good luck on your details! ;)
Super helpful and scientific! Thanks for the time you spent doing those tests!
Thank you for the kind words champ! 😎👍 Always doing my best to provide quality content! ✨ 📸
A very helpful video, the amount of useful information you provide per video is incredible. Also I highly recommend giving 'Bilt Hamber - Touch Less or Auto foam' a shot as a pre-rinse. So far they have been the best pre-rinse products that I've tested.
thank you for the kind words, Brandon! 😭🙏🔥 I've heard great things about Bilt Hamber recently! Once they are readily available in the US, I will make sure to give it a shot! 😎👉👉
California regulations unfortunately prohibit me from doing 😞
Your presentation and level of detail is amazing
Thanks for the feedback champ! 😎👉👉 Happy holidays and good detailing! 🚗🔥😉
You deserve way more followers. Video was amazing and informative.
Thank you so much for the kind words! 😭 😭 So glad you enjoyed the video!!!
Very Very good information Cham! I've always used my apc as my pre wash before I touch any car's great video👌🏽
Thanks for the feedback champ! Glad other professionals see eye to eye with this method 😎 👨🔬 Good luck on your hustles champ! 👍 💪
dude, keep making informative and interesting videos like this and you'll be in for a great success! thanks for the useful information, I subscribe and wait for new ones
Thank you champ! 😎👍 I really appreciate the positive commentary 🎉 Thank you for jumping a board!
Great Video and information.....you really did a very professional job on your Video !!!
Thanks for the kind words Hook! 😎👉👉Glad you found this video informative for all of your detailing needs! 😉
high quality video, well explained and demonstrated with helpful information. I appreciate the part where you poured to consistent dilution ratios and measured each products pH, great way to compare the products and price points. Have you ever measured the pH after it comes out of the foam cannon?
thank you for your feedback! Really appreciate it! 😎🔥
I have not measured it after it comes out of the foam cannon, but by looking at my pH readings from my chemical guys and P&S pearl review videos, it looks like the pH doesn't change that much even when significant amounts of water is added.
so to answer your question, I believe the page will probably jump between .5 to 1.5 pH after the foam cannon. hopefully this answers your question. 😊
Great video very informative keep up the great work
Thanks for the feedback champ! ;) glad you found this video informative for your details!
Excellent video and information! I was curious to see how APC's would work out of a foam cannon. Im going to give this a shot with my next dirty vehicle.
Thank you for the feedback! I’m sure you will be satisfied with the results! 😎
Wow, this video has tons of info. Great job
Thank you very much champ 😭 I appreciate the kind words when people notice the value of knowledge! 😎
Thanks that was a great video I started using a PC 1:4 on my car in Michigan and OMG the road salt got cleaned off perfectly with this I'm a Believer. By the way there is a great CZcams video by forensic detailing on high pH APC on car wax or sealants that is worth watching and it really does not degrade any waxes until you get above a one-to-one ratio in your foam Canon
Oh I bet it works wonders on road salt 🧂 🤮 Glad to know it worked well for you! 😎 just be cautious not to overdo it ☝️
I remember seeing that video, it is interesting to know how each APC behaves differently 🤔 I might have to update my pre-wash tutorial video 😂
I’m commenting even before I finish the vid…you’re famous now!
Why thank you champ! Not yet 😅But def want to get up there with the big names!
Nicely done instructional video. I’m hoping you will test Meguiars D101 APC since this is one of the most widely used APC’s by professional detailers. I think Meg’s D101 and Superclean are two of the biggest selling APC’s. Very useful technique to do an APC Pre-Wash before a contact wash.
Unfortunately I did not have it at the time 😭 I am pretty sure you will get similar results tho! ;) Just be mindful on how long the product spent is dwelling. Good detailing champ! 😎
I have tested D101 in my MJJC foam cannon and it went on thick at a 4:1 ratio. Defiantly not as thin as the citrus power cleaner, more comparable to the Gtechniq W5.
Oh cool! Thanks for the heads up! I was actually curious how that was going to foam, but never got a gallon 😂 Much appreciated information! 😉
Totally agree with you and prewash's APC and onr pre wash is one of the best ways to do this before contact washing, thanks for the vid 👍
No probs king! glad you enjoyed the video and helpful tip! 😉 good luck on your details! 💪
Yes I saw you on pan, and followed you ever since, keep up the good work
Aw thanks for hopping aboard champ! 😭 Really appreciate the folk that notice the work that goes into these videos! 😉 And much thanks to Pan for having an open platform!
@@CardosCarDose that's what pan is all about, and you carry on mate 👍👍👍
oh man i really dig this idea and will definitely give it a try, i may be wrong but i feel if i use it with my mjjc canon, it may do a service of cleaning out the foaming screens inside the canon nozzle. it’ll be a extra step to empty out and flush the nozzle with clean water before reloading with shampoo but we’ll see … 👍🏽 thanks
Ive tested with and without rinsing the bottle and it is actually the opposite 😮 Because soap is thicker and viscous it will create gel like clumps if you dont rinse it thoroughly
APC in the other hand has a lower viscosity which will dilute and rinse a lot easier than soap. However, I would probably have a second foam cannon dedicated to just APC if you use it frequently just so there is no cross contamination 👍
I have and use super clean but I have never done so until now. Thank you for the tips.
Oh trust! Ive used Super Clean for quite a while now and you wont be disappointed ;) Thank you for the feedback!
So 4:1 super clean works well as a apc?
Yes! 😉 Even as a heavy duty cleaner for the interior!
@@CardosCarDose doing research alot of hate on super clean as an apc for exterior
There will always be criticisms for every brand, obviously super clean is not a Detailing brand, but if one can just understand the chemistry and its use cases, it can become helpful to a detailer willing to think outside the box!
however, if you feel uncomfortable with super clean, that is okay there is no shame in it! Another good alternative is Maguire‘s APC. and just like what you did, make sure to do thorough research😉😉😉👍👍
Love the format of the video and details. One thing is foam cannon would further dilute.... Would you want the 12ph to impact panels?
I actually tested this off camera to make sure how the pH would fluctuate after being sprayer with a foam cannon. As it turns out, its very minor 🤔 Perhaps even negligible
if the car is really hammered, I guess being exposed to a pH of 12 would be necessary to uplift all of the dirt. Of course, if it is ceramic coated or a car more expensive than your own house, I would probably not chance it. 😂
thanks for the feedback though! Appreciate your input ! 🤙🤙🤙🤙🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🚗🚗🚗🚗✨✨✨✨
Great video bro 🔥
Thanks champ! 😎👉👉 A lot of info and time was compiled in this video, glad it was helpful for you! 🔥😉
You are very well spoken.
Thanks for the feedback! trying my best to improve each day! 😎
Great video, very informative. What are the ratios you use for the APC prewash?
Thanks for the feedback champ! 😎👍 I usually stick with 1 part APC to 4-7 parts of water, depending on the severity, weather, and finish 🤔
I've been using this method for carpets on interior deep cleans! I dillute superclean into a foam cannon and soak the carpet, then drill brush agitate and then vaccum with a $20 amazon extractor wand attachment!
Oh cool! Same here but for the matts! 😎 Really is a time saver 😃
@@CardosCarDose it's definately the best poor man's method for extracting 😂
I mean hey man, at least you demonstrated that you can get the job done at the fraction of a price. Especially compared to those IK pump sprayers that take light years to pump 😂
@@CardosCarDose facts bro lol. I use a pump sprayer for iron decon that's about it lol
Pump sprayer yes, FOAM pump sprayer...
unless you want a work out, nah 😂
Very nice!
That was an impressive content video, thank you!
Thank you so much champ!! 😊 glad it was helpful to you!! 😎 do you have any additional questions about this process? 🤔
@@CardosCarDose Thank you for asking! I believe your dilution was 4-1, thanks for providing that guidance.
What do you believe are the pros / cons of the APC application versus Lift / Incredible Suds / Bilt Hamber pre-washes!
Before I saw your video I watched several CZcams videos from Forensic Detailer, Apex and Pan. I bought Extra Tough and was going to try that…
BTW, I thought it was very gracious of you to acknowledge those other CZcamsrs, who inspired this APC application.
Thank you for the kind words Malachi! 😭 🙏 I try my best to provide enough information for all to use in their details!
APC vs Soap Pre Wash have COMPLETELY different use cases and the results are equally important.
Soap Pre Wash: this is recommended for vehicles that are maintained. Because these mixtures are not that aggressive, but packs more punch than a pH neutral soap, it is a great procedure to use if the car is frequently washed.
APC Pre Wash: I do not recommend this for maintained cars. This procedure is effective on cars with moderate to heavy amount of contaminants. Such as bird, droppings, traffic film, grime, mud, and other unsightly impurities. if you are Detailing as a business, or you simply have a car that has been neglected for quite some time, this procedure is good to use, but don't do it so frequently on maintenance vehicles.
hopefully this answers your question! 😎👉👉
@@CardosCarDose Perfect response, I now understand the difference. Thank you!
Great video! As a few comments mention, the pressure washer dilutes it further than the dilution mixed in the foam cannon. I'm going to give a 1:15 a try with Koch-Chemie Green Star and see what happens. Question though - can I simply add this to a foaming soap, or do you recommend the dedicated pre-wash using it? I guess the soap would be pointless for a pre-wash if using APC already.
Kochchemie mentioned you could mix their green star with GSF because the soap is a pH neutral and the APC would add a bit of alkalinity for extra kick
APC only pre wash is great for REALLY nasty cars and should not be used on maintenance vehicles 🤔
Adding APC to soap is not pointless if you do not have an alkaline based soap to do the cleaning 👍
Great vid! Have you heard anything about simple green for this?
Never tried it, but I am certain the process would be very similar 👍
Good stuff!
Thank you for the feedback mate! Glad you enjoyed it! ;)
So stick with Super Clean? :) Can't beat the price point. Chem-x has an APC called Heavy Duty I want to try. But at 4 times the cost per gallon compared to Super Clean I'm worried I'd find Super Clean is the best still. Owning a logging company in the pacific northwest and cleaning our vehicles, trucks and equipment, it absolutely requires the apc pre rinse. Thank you for showing the differences in those various apcs!
No problem champ! ;) Oh trust, I fully understand using Super Clean at its price point, especially in a business enviroment. The other brands I would recommend if you happen to have them or are a casual weekend wash kinda fella and just like having new toys to play with xD (im a victim of this mentality LOL) So whatever floats your boat, there is no wrong option here ;)
👍. I use meguiar's apc or meguiar's super degreaser (10:1, about 45ml in 500ml) as a prewash, and it works great!. Sometimes I add it directly to my snow foam shampoo to increase the power of my pre-wash shampoo..
Which I also do to rejuvenate a clogged ceramic coating and apc prewash where super degreaser. An alkaline shampoo like carpro lift and an acid shampoo like descale. And even at times a ferrous decontaminant or a shampoo like gyeon restart wash. It's a lot of work and money but it works well for ceramic coatings!
Exaclty! ☝️ An APC as a prewash serves wonders for clogged coatings or really hammered cars 🤮 🦠 🚗
While I do not advise it for maintained cars, since shampoos are great for that, it's still an essential method for when you get those grungy vehicles 😎
I apc rinse with foam cannon. Saves time. I started detailing again after I recovered from a motorcycle accident. But I’m doing this is a prosthetic leg in 100 degree heat, I’m officially out now that I got corona virus. Feel like shit 3 days now
Oh no! 😭 Hope you have a speedy recovery champ! Sending positive vibes! 🙌
I feel that pump sprayers benefit those who can only perform rinseless washes (either because of lack of access to water or local restrictions on water.)
Thats a fair argument. If water is scarce then using that tool would be more ideal in that scenario 😔 Just hope here in california we dont get that same issue 😭
I would love to see your method versus Wilson auto detailings method with Superior Products Road Warrior. A concentrated industrial soap/degreaser that's like $15 a gallon. Also I believe the Medicare green APC is a higher foaming product.
Debatable, but as long as the method works and makes sense to you that is all that matters 😌 As for APC there are just so many out there I just stuck with the local ones 😂 Most of them will perform identically so pick one that you can work with
Do you think you’ll get a better quality result from the foam cannon procedure or the pump sprayer procedure?
It is all personal preference! The foam canon is a great since you cover the whole vehicle in a short amount of time, however it requires a pressure washer to do this. The trigger sprayer or pump sprayer is economical and requires no pressure washer. While the output will be the same, you will be taking a lot longer since the pump sprayer doesn’t output a consistent layer of foam, making the detail longer.
both will get the job done, it just depends if you want it done with a pressure washer or not 😎
I think the biggest advantage of sprayer is you get exactly dilution ratio you put in, while with foam cannon the apc sprayed on car is actually more diluted (to get the proximate ratio we need to measure how much water and apc solution pumped out in a minute and of course this will vary between pressure washer, foam cannon, and that knob setting on top)
100% True champ 👍 It is correct that the foam canon does dilute the chemical significantly. With my pressure washer (1322TS), if I pour APC straight, the output is somewhere around 1 : 50.
This is a low dilution, however, still has plenty enough kick to cleanse the surface. My most recent video of a ceramic coating maintenance service demonstrates it in case you want to check it out. 😎 👍
czcams.com/video/QvgTeoAvBrw/video.htmlfeature=shared
@CardosCarDose I did. Informative video there. Btw, is there any good reason to choose CarPro Reset (well known for its cleaning ability, while remain safe on paint) over APC (diluted properly) for maintain coated car?
Reset is just a soap, and soap is just soap, no matter how alkaline it is. APC on the other hand, is a highly reactive chemical that can certainly clean much more than the most alkaline soap.
I do not recommend you use APC as a maintenance cleaner. I used it in that video because the contamination was out of hand and I had to chemically shock the coating to dislodge any impurities. This also helps if you see sheeting behavior instead of beading. 👍
Hopefully, this makes sense 🙏
now i know how to use my ryobi foam blaster with dilution ratio 1/2 that i bought before mjjc s v3. please advise a safe dilution ratio for koch chemie green star with ryobi one
I think Greenstar you will be fine using full strength considering the panel impact ratio 🤔 1:4 in your foam cannon is not 1:4 on the panel. I will have to update my APC pre wash tutorial 😂
Is it safe on ceramic coated vehicles because I coated my wheels and car with the same ceramic and used brake buster on my wheels and after 6-7 months there’s no protection on the wheels but paints still holding strong
To put it very simply ma champ, if you wash your car once or twice a week, you can use much gentler cleaners and prolong the life if you add toppers every now and then.
While this is pretty safe on ceramic coatings, just make sure to read what pH resistance your coating has. if it caps at 11 I probably wouldn’t recommend this. 😉
Obviously use common sense, if you have a coating and wash your car every 4 weeks, then obviously you are going to degrade it sooner because you need stronger cleaners to deal with the grime.
When you say 4:1 ratio, are you accounting for the water from the pressure washer diluting it? I would think it would seriously dilute it because the PIR method shows you might need half the bottle filled with soap/apc for just a 4% mixture
Thats a fair point and I have been asking myself the same question. To test this idea safely I am taking care of dirty commercial trucks for a client, to which they are ok with me using their trucks for my product testing 😂
Ive tried 10:1, 4:1, and even 75% APC (1 Water : 3 APC). With my 2gpm machine I can say that 4:1 is the sweet spot of high cleaning without exposing the paint to such intense dilutions. 75% or Full Strength dilution does work and has a stronger punch, but the streaking is horrible and requires a THOROUGH rinse and a generous wipe during the contact wash to make sure it is removed.
On clear coated paint and chrome this is more noticeable, and while commercial trucks dont speak for all cars, this was some useful data to see what dilutions to play with. So for now, 4:1 seems pretty good so far and I haven't had many experiences where it did not work as intended or inflicted defects. Of course further testing is required, so let me know how it goes for you! 😉
@@CardosCarDose awesome response. That’s what I’ll try first. Thanks.
Thanks for this video! Does using a foam cannon over dilute the original 1:4 dilution requiring more APC?
It does, and if you have a high GPM machine (3 GPM or more) then it will dilute even more.
Honestly, I tried 3:1 dilution ratio and I don’t really notice much of a difference. So save that extra dollar and use 4:1 😎
@@CardosCarDose thanks for the reply! I’m going to give it a shot. Roughly 7oz in a 1L foam cannon
go for it champ! and good detailing! 👍😁
what do you think if you use apc without washing it, then apply foam on top of it, then rinse it away and start the contact wash?
I suggest not foaming soap over APC because you will just be diluting the product, and realistically speaking, it is not necessary 🤔
Hey Cardo! Great video are you using regular super clean or the foaming version of super clean?
Whats good Kevin! 😎👉👉 I am using regular Super Clean in this video! The classic degreaser that is readily available in any retail store 🏬 😊
@@CardosCarDose Thank you for replying!
I think apc+snow would be even better.
For not drying in the sun, what about spraying water with a hand sprayer?
that also works too! In all honestly, as long as you are working consistently and safely, you should be fine 😎 Avoid direct sunlight
Another well thought out, organized, and informative video. I ran across your Turtle Wax Max video, liked it, and went looking for more. Now I’m a new subscriber. You mentioned that the rear of the vehicle might need some physical agitation (with a mitt?). What do you think about doing this on all the surfaces? Any downside?
I noticed some products said 4/1, 8/1, etc. and another said the reverse, even 1/15 & 1/30. Ratios can be deceiving if there is no explanation as to which number is the product and which is the water. There is a big difference between 4/1 and 1/4. I have always thought the product was listed first because it’s usually the smaller amount…… 1/4 meaning 1 part product and 4 parts water. So the manufacturer’s ratios confused me. Does their 4/1 recommendation actually mean 4 parts product in 1 part water? Please clear this up for me.😱
And I like the foam on your cap and bill.😁 Subtle humor. Can’t remember exactly what you called the bird poop, but it was funny.
Aw thanks ma dude for the subs!
Oh no dont get me started once brands mention "add 16% dilution" im like i didnt do well in math 😭
I did mention 4:1 for all the products and that is 4 parts water to 1 part solution 😎 thanks for the feedback, I will make sure to thoroughly explain the water and solution ratio. I agree too, water or product first? It is confusing especially with units and language changing across the globe
we americans are dodgy with our units 😭
@@CardosCarDose Could you elaborate on your comment about hand agitation needed on the rear of the vehicle. Would you use a wash mitt? What about doing this on the entire vehicle for better cleaning? Would there be a downside to this?
By agitation, I mean that you would need to follow up with a contact wash after using this prewash. The vehicles showcased, they were kind of dirty, so I would use the pre-wash first, rinse right after, and then follow up your normal wash procedure. And yes I would use a wash mitt 😎
if you are going to wash your car, just do the whole entire vehicle since there would be no point of having a clean rear with a dirty front 😂 No downsides here 😉
@@CardosCarDose Thanks for all your prompt replies.
I noticed you didn’t mention Purple Power. Wouldn’t it be good for this method too?
19:00 the air compressor makes a huge difference. And as the big 10L is highly overpriced, I have converted a regular hand foamer to air compresssor powered and it is quite fine. You have an extra container to fill one more time and you are good to go. I`m a mobile (I wash my own car) detailer and I have no power or water or power pressure.
Can you test the Adams Polishes all purpose cleaner in the pre wash method. I have it, but I am not sure how much to dilute it
Whats good Nevan! 😎👉👉 I think you will be very safe with 5:1. I've never used their APC but it's pretty much the same thing.
If your car is being maintained, I do not advise using this method repeatedly. If you're working on another persons car, and it looks really neglected and not maintained, 5:1 is a good start.
@@CardosCarDose Thank you for your insight. I really appreciate it 😊
i use both foam cannon and I K e foamer electric compressor version yes its pricey but for me I K foamer comes in handy in winter when i take my vehicle to car wash where i pay to use pressure washer water gun and bring my own chemicals and any other time i mostly use foam cannon and ik foamer for brake buster I love detailing my cars maybe thats i don’t mind spending on detailing not saving its right but love my new toys keep up the good work im going to try the APC pre wash
The iK Sprayer is handy for when a home pressure washer, or open unfrozen water source, is not available. Pretty handy for taking it to a self service wash station!
Thanks for the support champ! Thanks for the comment! 👍✨
Question, so super clean reaches optimal ph in 4:1 dilution ratio so to make the math easy we should use PIR which would be 20%? So far example my 1000ml foam lance with pressure washer combined puts out roughly 560ounces to empty the lance. So 20% pir would be 3312 ML ooor am I doing this wrong? Meaning you can’t get 20% pir out of a snow lance or atleast mine?
There are a bit of inconsistencies in this video 😂 I am currently working on a version two of this video with an update on the information, including PIR.
I actually pour APC straight into the foam cannon, only because I have a 1.9 gpm machine. The dilution ratio on output will probably be around 1:70-130, while the ratio is wild, it still has enough kick to remove the grime from the vehicle.
My latest video on a nine month ceramic maintenance service demonstrates this process if you want to check it out 👍
Will the APC pre wash harm black matte or gloss wheels?
DISCLAIMER: Under no circumstances should you detail wheels in direct sunlight and/or if they are hot to the touch, especially coated/matte wheels.
with that said, just use some common sense on dwelltime and how long you are in the sun. Wheel cleaners have crazy high pH levels, compared to the APC pre-wash, it has a lower strength. So I think you should be fine, within logical boundaries of course 😉
Great video and new sub here
Thank you for the feedback champ! 😎
Honey there’s a zebra APCing the van again. Good info. Must be part of the club with all the 👌.
😎👉👉 🦓 Jacket is drippin 😂
Where did you get that test meter to see the alkaline levels?
Got it directly from Milwakee, you could buy it on Amazon, but im not sure if its the original seller 🤔
I use the foam cannon and apc to clean my house. Works great, so I could see the use for cars as a heavy duty cleaner
As the name goes "All Purpose Cleaner" can be used in areas outside of the automotive industry 😎 👍 House, driveway, and concrete cleaning with the foam cannon helps speed the process up 💥
What are your thoughts on adding a 4:1 ratio of APC to a snow foam like Chemical guys in a foam canon?
I would not suggest adding apc to soap from a different brand. Most APCs already foam good enough so I think youll be fine.
Too much foam with APC can actually work against you with the suds reactivating numerous times in the panel gaps, which can leave harsh streaks if left unattended. Runny foam, while no visually impressive live snow foam, is my recommendation to avoid rinsing numerous times.
@@CardosCarDose thanks! I've been wanting to upgrade from a pump sprayer APC pre treatment to a foam cannon pre treatment. This video helped a lot
glad I helped you out! Good luck on your next detail, and if you have any questions, let me know! 😎👉👉
@@CardosCarDose Detailed 2 vehicles today. Holy heck the APC foam pre-treatment saved me so much time. Thanks so much.
Hooray!! Glad this method worked out for you champ! 😎🎊🥳🎉
Hi are APCs safe on spray waxed surfaces?
For the most part, you should only spray APC if the contamination is out of hand 🤔
Such pre treatments can strip a wax off, but I say its beneficial as it reveals a fresh layer of wax free of grime. From there you can apply more should it be the case 😎 👍
How long should wait before rinsing off apc?
7:14 I would say 2-4min on fresh or cloudy days. If you are in a desert enviroment with non stop +90F weather, no more than a 2min. ;) Of course, mess around with dilutions and dwell time, every chemical and work enviroment is different!
Anyone use spray nine for apc pre wash? If so what dilution are you using
Never used it so I have no comment 🤔
Will this strip a sealant such as bead maker ?
Yes, no questions asked 😂Considering how easy it is to apply, I think its worth it as you can top it with fresh beadmaker rather than "maintaining" a grime caked surface. 😎
Thanks for the quick reply 😊
What do you think of using dawn dish soap instead of an APC?
You "could", but I do not use it because it leaves a thick residue behind that needs a lot of rinsing to remove 🫤
@@CardosCarDose fair enough. Seems like it foams like no other, jury is out if that’s good or bad but it looks the part. I’m gonna do a full correction on my really good condition 94 s10 and am researching what to use to gently decon before the clay mit and polisher come out
@EveryDayJay415 There is no need to be gentle as decontamination is not "gentle" 😆 Any alkaline soap will do. Keep the process simple 👍
Love the clear and concise descriptions and comparisons. Here in Singapore, I'm a Gyeon fan boy after trying their wet coat for 1st time last year and slowly been replacing my mish mash of CG, Meguiars, Sonax with Gyeon. I've been using 20-30ml of Gyeon foam together with 100ml of APC 26:32 in a foam cannon topped up to 1000ml (so approx 1:8 total solution but 1:10 apc solution), fully touchless wash, I do this for my fortnightly weekend morning wash. In between I alternate between Mr Pink (1:10 in foam cannon) spray on, contact wash off (still 1/2 gallon to go before I switch to Gyeon Bathe), and other time I go with 30ml gyeon foam + 70ml gyeon bathe+ (sio2 coating) in a foam cannon and contact wash.
You have a new subscriber! Would love to have you review more stuff, let me know how I can contribute!
Many thanks for the sub 🙏 😭 Appreciate champ!
It seems you have a pretty solid routine for the wash process 😎 taking those precautions is what prolongs the finish ✨ Just make sure to top it with a paint protectant to prevent the alkaline cleaners from degrading the surface ☝️
@@CardosCarDose thanks! Yes I had Gyeon Mohs installed last year in Oct on my new i4, that's when first introduced to Wet Coat, been using it every month as the 1st sacrificial layer between the environment and my long term coating.
Never bothered to test my ph's (blindly trusted manufacturer, haha) but glad to see the good work you are doing!
Really...REALLY good video! Question: since most pressure washers automatically dilute at a 10:1 ratio, could you use a full-strength APC in the cannon so that it automatically dilutes it to
a 10:1 product ratio?!? Thanks!
Depending on your make and model, it will change what the output is once it lands on the surface.
for example, my Greenworks machine outputs approximately 0.9 GPM, and doesn't dilute the product a lot since it is mostly air. However, my Kanzle 1322TS has a steady 2GPM and adds more water, hence why it is diluted more.
honestly, I think you are safe with 1:5 all the way to 1:8. I DO NOT recommend using it at full strength, unless you are dealing with grungy vehicles like AMMO NYC or Detail Geek as one and done solutions 😂 NEVER use that dilution on "clean" or "maintained" vehicles, as it could potentially harm the plastics and other delicate clear coats
@@CardosCarDose thanks for breaking that down! I'll have to try different set-ups to see how the PIR actually comes out with different GPMs. Mad respect!
Thanks champ! if you have any more questions, just let me know! 😉
What’s the reasoning for avoiding the pricier foam cannons? Does the APC prewash harm the foam cannon in any way?
Most foam canons can take the high alkaline levels, I only say this so folk can save an extra buck or two 😉
For example, the MTM cannons are better for soap, but do you really wanna blast another $100 on just an APC? Well, if you can financially afford it, by all means go right ahead xD But if you are new to detailing or money is a bit tight, just stick with economical cannons 😎 Regardless, APCs dont foam as much as soap, so no need for pricey cannons
@@CardosCarDose ah, gotcha. So there would be no issue with me using my current MTM for the apc foaming prewash (ie. no need to worry about damaging my foam cannon), correct? I currently have only used it with soap or soap+apc (kcx gsf + greenstar)
Yes! you will be perfectly fine! 😎
@@CardosCarDose Awesome. Thanks! And great videos! Keep up the good work!
Thanks champ! appreciate your feedback! 😊
Quick question. How do you measure the dilution? Considering the foam cannon is bringing in its own water from the pressure as well, would that mean I would have to have a stronger dilution ratio in the bottle?
Im actually in the works of remaking this video because the technology for APCs have gotten better 🤔
Exactly, it does dilute a lot more in the foam cannon, considering the impact ratio is completely different from that of a hand sprayer. 🫧
The rabbit hole of this technique is really deep, so I will elaborate in my remastered video 😎👍 Thanks for bringing this up!
Which apc do you recommend ?
There is no absolute answer I can give you to be honest. 😐 Many have a very similar user experience and honestly depends what you want out of an APC from a user experience.
But if I had to answer, I do fancy the APCs from Gyeon and Shine Supply 😌
@@CardosCarDose do you think its wise to dilute some APC like 1:10 or 1:15 and add a bit of ONR (cap full) and use the same method in your video? I mainly want to use this to get rid of road film. And make the contact wash much easier. Or using active foam from Koch chemy.
@@ill4763 You wont achieve anything adding ONR or any rinse less wash to an APC mixture 🤷♂The alkaline based APC will melt the grime with ease and a polymer based rinse less cleaner only encapsulate, but does not address the film.
Really, I would just leave the APC be its own thing just to keep things simple for you 😎Active foam is a great soap for cleaning! Actually have a gallon of that stuff
@@CardosCarDose yeah I have a gallon of Active foam as well. 😏
Great soap, but watch it, it smells addictive 😩 🪵 🍂 🫧 🚙
I want the clumps!
BEEEG BUBBLES 🫧
Just change the oraphise in the foam cannon to a 1.1m and it will foam just like a expensive foam cannon
While this is an option for many people willing to change a part out, I think that should be saved for soaps.
If the APC foam is too thick, you will have a much harder time rinsing everything out since it will keep reactivating in the nooks and crannies. Of course, this is just an opinion, so swap it out if it floats your boat 😉
What the heck are you wearing??? Great video!
Swag 😎👉👉
😂 I am very expressive in winter time! I love jackets and joggers with lots of design on it! 😎 👕 👖 🔥
I wouldn’t say getting closer with the washer is wasting water at all.
But it does degrade the paint finish 🤔 Using pressurized water, on top of grit on the surface, that rinse is pretty abrasive as you are just pushing dirt around rather than gently loosening it with a pretreatment.
Sure you COULD get up close and slowly abrade the dirt off, but on cars that clearly are free of any defects is a no no ☝️
There is a huge difference between APC's and degreasers like super clean. I would not use super clean at any dilution. Do not be cheap spend a few dollars more and get a product designed for automotive paint. like DIY Details All Clean or Koch Chemie Green Star
The base chemistry of APC and Degreasers are not too different and both can be safely used on the vehicle at the correct dilution. It is not a brand A vs B vs C thing, it is about why you are using it and how does it help you out.
I do not recommend anyone to constantly use APC or Degreaser as their PreWash mixture on their vehicle if they live in a dry area like California. However, in much more wet climates where traffic film is a frequent contaminant, then a Degreaser would be more effective as that is the core ingredient of what road film is, something APC can not break down efficiently.
As always, this video is just a demonstration and really you can do whatever you want, there is no one rule to detailing everyone must follow. Do your research, have an open mind, and enjoy the process 👍
But keep in mind 4:1 in foam cannon....Pir its much higher
This is an old video and currently am revisiting it to update the concept of a APC pre wash. I learned about the PIR a while ago and I looked back on my video and was like "oh yeah, I definitely need to update this" 😆
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Never recommend CG there products are garbage and are made in China. And set back to the USA. If you want good products to use let me know I have put together a collection of chemicals from reparable companies that actually work and do a good job. For a APC you should try some kraken from Phoenix eod. ❤ but great video buddy.
😎👉👉 The best part about CG is that I can look back on my older photos/videos and I be like "wow, did I really use that?" 😭
@@CardosCarDose 🤣🤣 yes. But you learned your lesson. But there are a lot of other people out there that just don’t know any better. So it’s important to educate them. So we save them time and money.
EXACTLY! 🧠 💪 I feel like it's part of that "well it works for me, so I won't use anything else" kind of mentality.
It is easy to get comfortable with one product or brand that it narrows the ability to have an open mind to other things in our industry. unfortunately, their Fanbase cannot see past the logic CG offers, and those people will never be able to become "real" detailers.
those who look past the "fancy garden" can see that there is much more out there than what meets the eye.
Use a touchless wash and that’s it keep it simple no need to use thousand of products
I show case all of these products to help people make a decision to choose one. Touchless solutions are fine and all, but those are for basically clean cars and are often pH neutral, which has no "cleaning properties."
Utilizing an APC helps with more gritty, dirty, TF coated cars for a safer wash. Obviously dont use this in every wash, use common sense, this is mostly for every 3-5 washes.
Of course, at the end of the day its your car and you can do whatever method youd like. Have fun!
@@CardosCarDose the touchless wash im using work better on dirty cars I Wouldn’t use it on a very clean cars, instead I would use this all purpose cleaner touchless wash are a little pricey lol but works at least for me no need to clean even tge tire’s my record time for washing and drying is 12 minutes, have a great day
@@Pedroluvslupe feel like you are lowkey throwing shade at him, his method works in his world and your method works in your world. plus he is a youtuber, of course he is going to have lots of products cause he has to test it for us to check out and get an idea
Opinions are your own, not facts. he is just offering ideas if you have a dirty car. i dont know why you mentioned how long it takes you to "detail" your car, highly doubt it will be a one and done.
@@krustykrab4470 don’t worry I will shoot a video showing it on camera , lol time means money to me, wash 2 cars the other day im not in car businesses, im cleaning offices and buildings my own company but this client ask me if I can clean his cars so I decided to give a shot, bum 1 hour it was done just regular wash and vacuum inside and tire shine , he gave me 200 dollars with my touchless soap removed everything even on the tires , I actually don’t care what people use im just saying no need to presoke we got amazing products that can do pretty much all without any effort, you have a great day too be safe
You forgot to test purple power!
Personally I would not use that since it is a very caustic chemical compared to Super Clean. 🤔
@@CardosCarDose Could you test it? So that the myth can be solved once and for all. Some people even use it on interior.
I mean I had used it on some commercial trucks before and saw the black trim bleeding the dye right off.
So honestly man, don't overthink it and just use a quality cleaner. "Others" can use it, but what matters is how you want to work. 😉
@@CardosCarDose How is Super Clean with a higher pH of 12.5 -13.8 safer then Purple Power with lower pH of 11 - 12?
pH in chemistry isnt the full story, similar to how iron removers are "neutral" but would kill a wax easily. pH gives an idea to what the product could be and provide more context.
Its a REALLY deep rabbit hole to understand this, but for detailing, again, its not something to overthink.