Full Details On The Manitou Pontoon BRP Rotax 150 Outboard
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2023
- Check out the @Manitoupontoonboats all new Rotax 150 outbord motor. Available at @NielsenEnterprise this all new boat is nothing short of amazing!
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A fine example of a solution looking for a problem.
They call it ghost for good reason when you’re on your third warranty claim for water intrusion that’s what BRP is going to do . ghost you.
Im curious - have you had issues like this?
@@midwestadventurelife
Probably not gonna buy it in the first place. Time will tell you you’re defending something indefensible
3 cylinder 150 2 stroke that sits underwater... What could go wrong?
It's interesting but BPR really left us E-Tec owners out in wind. I purchased a new Boston Whaler 210 Montauk in 2016. I swapped out and upgraded the factory mounted Mercury 150HP outboard for a new 2016 200HO G2 E-Tec. Now my E-Tec needs about $5k worth of out of warranty work, but the parts just are not available, and the dealer support is almost none existent, so I am considering spending another $25k to repower with a 200HP Yamaha. So much for being loyal to Evinrude and BPR. My experience makes hard to imagine BRP will support the Rotax engine in the long haul.
I'm in a similar situation and it was my first and last ever BRP purchase!
If you go to Yamaha get the v6 200sho or the 225 (That I have) 200 HO v6 E Tec compared to 4 cylinder 200 4 strokes is day and night....
Sho have their own issues with head gaskets. Stick with regular 4.2
This motor is going to be another fail for bro. A horizontal motor with another gearbox up top another seal. Gee what could go wrong
Seems a little scary that 1/3 of that motor is going to be underwater at all times
Water intrusion hasn't been an issue. I think it's cool innovation.
If you think about it all onboard engines is under the water line. Also jetskis.
But I can see an issue with repairs and service on this one :)
@@caliwator my outboard motor is not underwater. The lower unit is, but this actual engine is…
@@midwestadventurelifeyet all the warnings on the owners manual warn of water intrusion will cause major damage..If the battery goes dead the motor is toast...
Why would a dead battery cause it to fill with water?
@@inaslump
"The motor cover is completely watertight. It even has an air pressure pump and a bilge pump under the cover". Give us an update in a couple years and let us know how this piece of crap works out for you.
Instead of the motor going the way of the G2 as a pos. Now it will be the whole boat. This thing is a joke.
Timmy is fishing off the deck when daddy trims the motor up Timmy falls into boat breaks leg-----LOL
Hahahaha
Pops would REALLY have to be NOT paying attention to trim up that far knocking little Timmy into the water
Watch a little team talk lately
Just google omc sea drive. This is the same idea but worse. So what happens when you dock your boat for a week and you have dead battery and you have a slow water leak in the engine?
I used to repair the inboards on BRP Jet boats. Most mechanics wouldn't touch them because you have to hang upside down in the engine compartment for hours in oil, gas and water. They broke often. I think that was why BRP abandoned making jet boats anymore because owners couldn't deal with all the reliability problems and cost. Now they make pontoons with the engine being easy to get to but then put it below the water line with will eventually become a nightmare.
Its the outboard equivalent to the titan submersible
Dude I was just thinking that
They say it only needs to be serviced every 500 hours or 5 years however; they only warranty it for 3 years! What does that tell you. Another e-tech situation brewing! Run!!!😢
I can't even finish watching this. BRP gave up on Evinrude too soon. They could have done what Mercury did with the big power motors and survived. This design is as bad as the old OMC outdrive. History will not be kind to this. Sorry.
they should have sunk the whole engine!!!
I really wish they would bring back the evinrude etec personally I love 2 stroke outboards but now we have no option for new 2 stroke outboards in the US except to buy a new boat with the horrible design for an outboard
#askteammarineservice
Hey Andy. Give us your thoughts on the Underboard? LOL
Bring the outboards back ad keep making parts for the outboards..
The outboard motors are still an option for this boat.
I think that I read:
The lower unit turns independent of the power head - when steering?
No, entire unit moves as one
Every engineer who designs new marine related products should have to be a licensed marine mechanic with 4 or 5 years experience prior to getting to design new products. What seems like a "revolutionary new design" on paper may turn out to be an absolute nightmare in real world applications.
So this video's been out for a while. Whats the verdict on this new engine? I really like the swim platform idea.
Haven't seen many issues yet. Let the haters hate.
They"ll still need somewhere for thé powerpack eventually
If I'm not mistaken that'll be a SeaDoo/SkiDoo engine in there. I wouldn't worry too much about the engine being horizontal, the extra gearing is not much more to it than the Suzuki offset driveshaft. However, how it manages being below the water line will have to be seen. I suppose all SeaDoo's and inboards of all types have their engine below the water line, but it's a little different when it's in the boat.
There's a very well thought out seal that covers the engine housing
@@midwestadventurelife That is precisely the part that would give me concern down the line. Probably 1-2 hours extra labor every time the cowling has to come off and on, and I'm sure the seal has to be replace occasionally. What does it cost and how available will it be?
If the engine is 2-stroke and fuel injected, how hard would it be for them to mount it vertically? Maybe that'll come down the road. Not everyone needs a low profile engine, which is the main advantage.
I'm not too concerned about the horizontal mount and the gearing, it has to be better than an inboard/outboard. No constant-velocity joint or bellow. From this perspective even the seal can't be as bad as having a bellow that can sink the whole boat back there.
I'd be willing to give the engine a try even with that seal if economies of scale (the engine is on other platforms) leads to a good price. Outboards are getting hugely expensive.
@@Nonplused I actually had the opportunity to talk to the engineer who designed the engine. I've have the covers off the motor as well. It's about a 5 minute process to remove the cover. There's a nice heavy gasket there. Maybe over years and years it would need to be replaced, but it's very simple to get to and remove if needed. The bolts are designed to bottom out where needed. They suggest a specific torque to re-tighten to, but even suggested it was not a critical factor as long as it was tight.
Correct - it's still less seals than an I/O has. Bellow and shift boot. those move and get flexed all day long, if they fail the boat sinks. I don't forsee an easy fail with this seal. IF it were to leak the motor detects it and reacts accordingly as well.
Thanks for watching and having the conversation.
Steven Kings creepy Rave 1.9L rotax 2 stroke coming for your 4 strokes!
@@midwestadventurelifethere are numerous that have already filled with water it's really stupid for manitou to design a boat around a motor. In 10 yrs when that motor is junk and they no longer make that engine you have a boat that is worthless because no other engine fits it.
The underboard
I can't believe BRP gave up Evinrude for this abomination that nobody wanted or asked for. Yeah the deck space is nice but most people use that deck space at the beach when the motor is tilted up which renders the deck useless anyway. I also can't believe they are still pushing 2-stroke technology. BRP should be ashamed.
2 stroke for lifeeeeeee
That 150 is like a 300 hp 4 stroke. Brp
Most pontoons aren't on the beach
Why do I feel like you drive a Tesla
@@hazmatt_bignell
Nope. Diesel F350
No way I would ever buy a motor that's under water. Sounds like a claims nightmare
Hmmm, I’m going bet these things come back in droves for warranty issues with water intrusion resulting in total engine lose. The engineers know this that’s why they added other systems to counter it. What happen if the battery goes dead and the bulge pumps stops working? You hit a dead head floating and crack that plastic cover?
Time will tell, for sure
@@midwestadventurelife lol BRP or dealers need to tell buyers about that “small” risk not time
Awesome Setup! #NeTime
Thanks for the demo ride
I have one question.......why?
The rear deck.
Lol that is going to be a disaster 😂
Why so?
They should try to make it a nice looking boat if they want to peak my interest, awful design
This seems like a really bad idea from square one.
OK, will give them "super unique" for sure. I just don't get it though, why all the gimmicks to hide and outboard motor. I wish them well, but we have been down all these roads years ago at OMC, and it didn't work out very well.
Yea they want the extra deck space which is nice don’t get me wrong but if your at the beach and your boat is beached your motor is gonna be trimmed out of the water so that’s completely impractical this is essentially an outboard trying to be an I/Oi can’t believe BRP gave up Evinrude for this but the one positive I have for this motor is that it gives you the ability as a pontoon owner it’s gives you the benefit of both a stern drive and an outboard it would be nice for a day out in the lake where your not beached at the sandbar
Honestly, you can get that motor pretty high up before it messes with the deck back there.
2 stroke makes for the best outboard in my opinion really wish BRP would make evinrude etec again my favorite outboard. This rotax outboard is terrible design they are putting the weight even further back which is probably going to slow planning down but I would definitely try one on my boat if they wanted to offer one up for testing as a repower on my Lund tyee
The weight hasn't been an issue on these boats we have driven. I don't believe these will be sold as a re-power option.
@@midwestadventurelife no one will buy these, let alone as a repower
Well, they are already selling.
@@rrw2gonefishing
How about a 572 CID v8 2 stroke ETEC, hell yeah!
@@jlo13800 now we're talking!
These look fantastic on a pontoon boat, I think the twin versions will be great! Still unfortunate they discontinued the Evinrude G2. It is such a great motor, class leading in so many categories
We agree. Great things ahead!
Nope garbage. Who thought it was a good idea to submerge the powerhead?
Water intrusion has not been an issue. It's called innovation.
@@rrw2gonefishing
@@midwestadventurelife🙄
How about an 1130 CID inline 6 2 stroke with 5.75 in bore and 7.25 in stroke with exhaust trapping sleeve valves. This would be the HGD (horny great dane) inline 6 2 stroke> An Opposed piston verson is 2260 CID horny english mastiff 2 stroke uniflow scavenged!
The brand name on the side of the boat should be STUPID
Why are you so against it - we're curious on your thoughts
They should have left Evinrude alone. This is downright stupid. I give it a year or two before these underboards go tits up.
What happens if the battery goes dead? Your air pump and bilge pump don’t work, and your engine is junk. I’m still in disbelief BRP shoved this abomination onto an unsuspecting public.
Shameful…..
Ok so y'all don't respond to negative commments. I'm sure to evinrude telling to not to. What about when i'm at the sand bar and have to trim the motor up. The "swim platform" is useless.
No affiliation to evinrude or BRP.
You can trim the motor up pretty far out of the way before the swim platform comes up. You'd have to be in some REAL shallow water for this situation to be an issue.
It's very apparent that you have a negative view on these boats. It's not that we don't respond to negative comments - it's just that I can tell any response isn't going to go anywhere. Again, you're entitled to your own thoughts.
I've got a generation 1 Etec and I love the technical design concept. HOWEVER, that's where it ends. I live in fear of my engine suddenly dying. Seems the amount of stories of the EMM (the engine computer) just dying for no reason, is just way too many. Seems BRP have got so absorbed with innovation they completely forget about reliability. Car computers seem bullet-proof, and I barely ever hear of one failing despite the millions of vehicles on the road for many years. They also put the entire battery charging system within the computer module so it needs to be water cooled and has seawater flowing through it. Seems like this new engine may be using a lot of the same gear. Now they get all "innovative" again and design a submerged motor. Well, gaskets can eventually leak, seals can leak, or you get some crap in during assembly. Then the engine is sitting not being used for a few months and seepage starts filling up the engine compartment................................... And what about maintenance, and removing that lid. I'm quite happy with a single lever at each side, and I simply lift the cover off. Seems BRP just cannot forsee customer perception of these wacky ideas, regardless of whether they are technically good or bad. What are they going to come up with next. Many boaters did not take to the 2 stroke design but BRP do not seem to have learned from this, and clearly they have no idea of market acceptance, and create this thing.
Back to my Etec, let's not forget parts availability (i.e. unavailability). That's another thing I live in fear of, and can imagine it may not be too long before a dealer (one of the few) says, "Sorry, can't get that anymore", and my engine is scrap. I wouldn't trust this company for a second, they have neither brains nor integrity.
I wonder how well it’s going to handle being bumped into the dock or other boats! If that housing isn’t cast aluminum , you can kiss those things goodbye
Time will tell, for sure. I Will say that motor is pretty protected under there
I sure hope they still offer a traditional 4-stroke option. Yamaha, Mercury etc. BRP needs to give up on the 2-stroke. It didn’t sell as Evinrude so I highly doubt if this will do any better. Reintroduce the old Johnson motor in a good reliable 4-stroke. Done
They do still offer a traditional outboard motor. So many choices.
@@midwestadventurelife Are you sure about that? Being a nearly 50 year J/E dealer , the choices are shit.
they had the g1s dialed in but then the g2 oh the g2 SMH. No one wants a etec after the g2. I hope y'all move those buckets that you had to take on allocation.
Yes. Im sure about it. Yamaha, Suzuiki and Merc are all choices.
@@rrw2gonefishing
Never give up on 2 strokes! Nature dosn't as lightning bolts and the sun are plasma 2 stroke entities. Now look what our tax dollars are paying for:mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
Bring back the omc cobra…
If any body remembers all the problems people were having with later models and refusing to go four stroke and they still have not seen the light
Do they make anything bigger than a 150?
They will be making a twin engine Rotax. (see our review). They also sell these boats with up to 900hp
Let's put the powerhead under the waterline! Invented by the same people that thought feeding mayonnaise to the tunafish was a good idea.
Also, say goodbye to that nice clean cowling after 2 weeks in the water.
Who designed this ?
How are you gonna service it?
It's just old technology
They are actually easier to service than a standard outboard.
Anyone who buys from brp needs their head examined after what Evinrude has done to its customers..Good luck getting parts for that nightmare...
I guess time will tell how this plays out.
😂 😂 😂 What were they smoking?
It’s called more money than brains
Not sure we understand....
Wait and see
Are you kidding me? Under water engine! How much weed were these BRP engineers smoking?
Time will tell. So far it's been impressive.
They said their etecs ran cleaner than 4 stokes and they for sure outperformed them so why would you want a 4 stroke. They had issues but who didnt. They need to save thy own a$$ and bring back the etec ho but just up the game on parts. The problem now days is out scorced parts that arent top quality. Also listen to the old timer engineers and ignore the young and dumb.
Yes true, nature never gives up on the 2 stroke cycle! Lightning bolts and tge sun are plasma 2 stroke entities! Here a Cummins OP 2 stroke mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
For sure... Engineers should be required to take a history course on all the silly stuff that has been tried and failed miserably
When the outer case leaks and the battery dies the engine's built in bilge pump stops working, you have an engine totaled if it one of those boats left in the water.
No thanks. Looks great on paper. Fails miserably in the long term in practical use.
Waste of R&D development. Should have spent that money on making better outboards.
This thing is going to be a bad memory in 5 years.
Time well tell... For sure
I wonder how much there paying this guy. Send them to school and this is what you get these days
Its gonna be a bigger failure than a carbon fiber submarine. I promise it will be the biggest pile they ever produce and cost a lot of people their jobs. There is literally no pro for this motor other than room on the deck. Trying to reinvent the wheel with a square block, makes no damn sense.
Mr.dodo head engineer that is down the road slipping money into bk's back pocket. Wait til youre dealing with pissed off customers that spent their hard earned money on boats that were built around an "underboard" that will be discontinued within a year or two. BRP there isnt anything wrong with a wheel, why try to reinvent it?
I guess time will tell on these.
When idiocracy meets boating 😂😂😂😂😂
Please sir, just stop
Curious, Have you been on one? What exactly are you against?
Looks like a terrible idea an very prone to fail.
I'm just curious what you say this?
@midwestadventurelife well sir its almost totally submerged and no cover is totally water proof and the engine is injected ..lots of electrical parts and no sensor or pump is going to keep an ocean or lake out of it
This is a terrible idea .... all this nonsense to gain like 8 square foot of swim platform space .... news flash idiots you can't stand on the swim platform above idle speed so what's the point
Um swimming
Ewh wtf
Plan on manitou going bankrupt in the next 4 years
What makes you say that?
Take it for what it’s worth……. This “product” is an obvious disaster waiting to happen! To have this “outboard” submerged is an idiotic concept! There WILL be water intrusion! Anyone that has a clue about the boating industry knows that over time this engine will end up being a paper weight! To think this concept is the direction BRP went is laughable!
Trash
Thoughts, on why?
its the most stupid thing brp could do , e-tec g2 was a great motor , and the come up whit this stupid motor.. ,And what drives them?? , til climate hysterica scam...
JUNK IT
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. None the less, we think it's slick.
@@midwestadventurelife opinion is one thing. common sense is another
take 2 of these 1.9's and make a 3.8L OP 2 stroke inboard with that.Or better yet 4 1.9l's for a 7.6L inline 6 OP 2 stroke. Achates Power should get with Rotax on this! mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf