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EDIT: it was Vallorum who was the chancellor at the time that dispatched Jinn and Kenobi to Naboo. The point still stands that the Senate held far too much power and were using the Jedi incorrectly!
Great catch!
I was going to comment then I read your edit. I know, in daily Star Wars, the name Palpatine is nearly synonymous with chancellor. When you think about it, Valorum only had two scenes in the entire trilogy.
That’s why I really enjoy your channel. When you said Palpatine I was gonna comment, then I saw the correction and thought, this guy really does know his shit. Love the channel.
Nice to see
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Interesting how both of Sideous’ apprentices recruited from the Jedi still retained a lot of the honor and loyalty they had even as Sith. They both thought Sideous valued them, but they were tools he threw away without a care. Until one of his tools wrenched his power away.
The Force Strikes Back at The Sith Emperor of The Galaxy... What goes around, comes around. Karma effect.
Ironic
So they were all of them deceived wait wait...
Dooku right about about Yoda’s rigidity. Yoda lived through the High Republic so he lived through Jedi being allowed to marry and be more individualistic. He seen the rules change out of dogmatic blindness. Seen the shady stuff the Republic has done and what happens when criminals get out of hand. And yet with all that time seeing all that, Yoda still did not see
Jedi aren't allowed to marry in any canon
@@Hello-bi1pmPretty sure there were moments during the Old Republic and the High Republic where Jedi were allowed to be in relationships and have families.
I have often wondered if Qui-gon had lived, began Anakin's instruction, and introduced him to Dooku...Anakin would have become unstoppable.
Before being beheaded by Anakin, Dooku thought to himself, "maybe I made a mistake turning against Yoda and the Jedi."
Anakin did take a big weight off his shoulders though!😂😂
I don’t think he wished he wouldn’t have turned, but I think he did realize that sidious never cared for him and just used him
To a degree Dooku was right about Yoda leading the order to ruin, but his method of fixing it was wrong
I can totally fix this by... breaking it more. Makes sense
And he was a hypocrite.
One major discrepancy...Palpatine was NOT the Chancellor at the time of the Phantom Menace, it was Finnis Valorum, played in the film by Sir Terrance Stamp of Superman fame were he played the infamous General Zod.
So right there Palpatine could not have dispatched Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. It was Supreme Chancellor Valorum and I think it says so in the books and the film.
At that time Palpatine was only a Senator from Naboo.
Dooku's complicated history and relationship with both the Jedi and the Sith make him one of the most interesting and fascinating characters and one of my favorite to follow.
Dooku has points but the dark side twisted those points and Palpatine plays Dooku like a puppet just as much as Palpatine through the senate plays Yoda. In the end Palpatine plays them both
Palps plays everyone. Not even his own master was able to sense his deceptions.
It would be lovely to have a show to movie to dive deeper into Yoda or even dookus past. Theres so much amazing lore and I feel like they don’t get touched on enough. I read the comics but still an adaptation would be awesome!
Tales of the Jedi hopefully
Tales of the Jedi hopefully
Yes, he's not wrong on Yoda. Everything starts from the top on down. ... There's also the council in general. Most decisions were voted upon with them as a whole.
Lastly, Yoda was the best on paper for Grand Master, but personality wise, he was just somebody that was good inside & not the best fit for the given position. ... Not for the times they were in at least.
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Fun to think & banter about.
Thanks as always, Wave.
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there were supposed to be THREE grandmasters at any given time, however after the two other grandmasters died yoda refused to appoint two more and kept all the power for himself
@@themosinguy6508 Because Yoda knew what was best, what was the will of the Force. As did the Jedi. Anybody who disagreed was clearly on the path to the Dark Side, if not there already. Attachments were forbidden because they might lead the member to hesitate to sacrifice a mere individual for the greater good. Luke finding out about Vader being his father was unfortunate because it might make him deviate from his destiny of killing him. Better lie to the boy, and then lie about lying when caught.
The Jedi Order was a totalitarian cult. It could hardly be anything else because it sought to hold a monopoly on the Force and thus could not have corrective feedback from the outside. That was it's true fatal flaw, and was the reason why it needed to be eliminated so something better could take its place. Yes, Palpatine's Empire caused suffering, but letting the Jedi Order continue to cripple, pervert and reduce the Light Side into utter impotence would had caused even more.
From a certain point of view, you can read Star Wars as the story of a hopelessly corrupt and self-righteous theocracy being finally given up as a lost cause and destroyed by the wrath of god, and the terrible cost of such deliverance.
Yoda eventually realized his mistakes and sought to train Luke with the lessons he learned.
Dooku's main mistakes were, obviously, trusting Palpatine, but his other big mistake was thinking he could use the dark side safely without it corrupting him since even someone with Dooku's immense self-discipline will eventually become addicted to and twisted by its corruption. Though I certainly like how he used the dark side, dude had style and even after he got corrupted to evil he still strove not to lean on the dark side's power unless he had to, unlike other Sith who'd just dive in head first and tap into it for any given hostility filled situation.
The whole Star Wars prequels and Clone Wars showed how hypocritical the Jedi Order was. The Jedi Council was full of incompetent politicians such as Mace Windu.
One Sith Lord’s, machinations brought down the entire Jedi Order. Yoda, met with Sidious, numerous times and never sensed he was evil. Anakin, was the chosen one, but he let a newly crowned Jedi Knight, train him. He never used the resources of the order to track down the Sith. I could go on but I will just say that Dooku, was right.
I humbling ask if it's in the holocrons how does the Starforge work?
Even if they were far from perfect in their service to the Light Side of the Force, and the Republic was becoming increasingly more and more corrupt, The Jedi Order was still a better option than the Sith. As the saying goes: "a cure is only desirable if it is not worse than the disease."
The realization Yoda came to in the book Revenge Of The Sith while fighting Palpatine at least showed Yoda knew he f**ked up BIG TIME, and used that in how Luke and Leia were to be trained.
Dooku is a character who epitomizes the saying “the road to hell was paved with good intentions.” It goes to show how having a lust for power is not good even if your justifications for fighting for change are.
Dooku wasn't wrong.
I don’t think yoda was bad I think he was just too traditional
agreed.
He just wasn't really right either
@@Demonoicgamer666 Count Dooku wasn't right, nor was he wrong. The same goes for Yoda, "too old, he was not, to stubborn, he WAS!!"
I agree
Dooku wasn't wrong about Yoda for the right reasons, the Jedi had become complacent and some even corrupted (take the number of dark Jedi dooku managed to convert during the Clone Wars.) but he was wrong to believe he could do better by making a Dark Jedi order with Sith doctrine being apart of its tenets as seen in Darth Gravid the end result ends with the individual being driven to madness hardly the kind of thing you want for an order of force sensitives.
imagine what dooku would've thought of Grand Master Luke (Legends)
I think he'd have probably become a firm supporter of Grandmaster Luke who was basically the very example of what Dooku always wanted in a grandmaster and also show Dooku where he himself went wrong. Hell seeing a Jedi Grandmaster who does things the right way might have even had Dooku consider turning back the the light, maybe, though he was pretty high on the dark side juice through the clone wars, so maybe not.
Wow... Never knew this
I believe that Yoda was already trying to step aside and let Mace Windu take over, was he not? I can't recall where I heard that, but that was always his plan if I remember correctly. I doubt that Windu would have fared much better though, to be honest. He was guilty of the same problems and likely would have further driven the Jedi into the Republic's enforcer role.
He was around episode one . He had allowed mace to become master of the order and president of the Council
After episode two mace asked yoda to take back the position.
Yoda become supreme commander He was deputy. And directed the war effort. .
@@shanenolan5625 That would make sense now. Mace got so many Jedi killed in Geonosis, he stepped down and Yoda became leader again.
@@mlo009 yes but it was Mace's idea or he felt he failed and wanted to concentrate on the war effort
He was deputy supreme commander and he commanded the first systems army and the 95th recon corp ..( systems is two republic army's) kenobi was commander of the third for example
Mace was head of strategic high command
But immediately after genonosis. Like when yoda and the jedi returned home and before the end of episode two
Yoda reports to palpatine bail organa is present.
Palpatine tells organa to turn the loyalist Committee into the security or preservation of the republic Committee with bali as chairman..
And palpatine and yoda will especially a war council. Palpatine as commander in chief. But yoda as supreme commander and president. It will include the jedi council .
With the military leaders as adviser's
Yoda was more or less doing what had always worked from his perspective over his long life. Strictly following the Jedi Code was a necessity. Maintaining relative neutrality in the service of the Republic worked until it didn't.
Dooku, though arguably wrong in his methods, was the result of stagnation and a frustration with the Order's stubborn adherence to their ways. The chaos within the galaxy was not being brought back into balance. Jedi were sometimes killed in the service of the Republic or The Force.
Darth Sidious was willing to change Sith tradition to work in his favor. He did what he believed necessary to bring him closer to enacting his own Order over the galaxy. Where Yoda and Dooku were in conflict, Sidious had twisted those issues into his own image.
Yoda and Dooku were both right in their own opposing ways, and were both played for it.
They are actually both right Dooku was corrupted on the Darkside, however, he never changed his course while Yoda in the end, was wise enough to recognise his failing as a Jedi Master and try to change.
5:23 This is incorrect. Was it not chancellor VALORUM (and not Palpatine) who had Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan dispatched to solve the dispute? Palpatine didn't become the supreme chancellor until near the very END of the events of TPM
I think either a series or movie on dooku would be interesting to get the backstory and see things from his point of view till her turned dark
As you said "he alocated all this time to the jedi [order]", the organisation, the dogma, the hierarchy, the traditions, not the Force. The order became like the Brotherhood of Darkness, existing only to its existence sake, to survive and prosper as an organisation. That's the problem with elders, they don't have dreams or ideals because it would imply changes and changes threat the oldest for the more changes there are, the lesser they have chances to survive to them (in all the ways).
You see it a lot 😢in the present world. The old are just difficult to accept change
Of course they do: you propose them YOUR world, a world which is not their, a world beneficial to you, once you have it, you'll protect it...and as you get older, you'll see younger peoples trying to change it at their turn... so you'll oppose them, because the world you created so long ago you considered perfect (for it was yours) is no longer relevant to the present day @@storiestotell
Im always fascinated by the Daoist inspiration in SW its so cool
Dooku's very words in the novel was right and had some points.
Of course, I don't fully condone Dooku's actions after the fact but I do understand where he was coming from.
Great insight
The look in Dooku's eyes when Palpatine tells Anakin kill him. It was at that moment he knew he fucked up.
Palpatine wasn’t the chancellor yet at the start of phantom menace
The Dookster! 😮
Valorum was supreme chancellor when the trade federation blockaded Naboo. Maybe Palpatine influenced that decision but he wasn't in charge at the time.
I totally see where he's coming from. The fact that he's not the only jedi to leave because of the orders corruption and undying allegiance to the republic (thus sidious) is thought provoking to say the least.
Yoda was a great Jedi Grandmaster. Wise & powerful
Both. He can be right and misled at the same time. I think Dooku was completely correct in his assessment, but was led astray from trying to 'fix' what was there (a job that may not have even been possible) and led into starting fresh by Sidious/Palpatine. Gotta remember, Old Palpy was a master manipulator, and to manipulate well, you base your arguements on facts and truth before twisting them. Dooku was smart enough he would have known the facts himself, as such Sidious had to work much harder to manipulate him. Likely yet another reason he wanted to off Tyrannis. He was harder to control than Skywalker, or any of the others (Maul & Grievous).
The supreme chancellor had two hundred jedi that acted as ambassador's of the chancellor. .
Probably should have been a clue to him when he was ordered to kill his own apprentice that his new order was a lie... like Anakin being told to forget the reasons he turned. Join the Dark Side today, lose everything, have an empire of ash where once you had dreams. Yay!
The road to hell (and the Dark Side) is filled with good intentions
and here is something that will really piss people off..If Yoda had left the order years prior to the Clone Wars ..it may have survived
Chancellor Valorum dispatched the Jedi to Naboo at the beginning of TPM.
I’d say it’s a little column A and a little column B…yes Yoda might have been set in his ways-but then again so was the rest of the council since they (to the best of my knowledge) never questioned any of the issues stated in the video either and were just as complicit with the corruption in the senate as Yoda was 9:26
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Dooku cared so much that he joined the man who killed his Padawan and friend aka qui gonn jinn 🤔😒🙄 right... So wise is he lol
Dooku: "A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master."
I don't think Yoda was a bad grandmaster, he just was stuck in his ways so to speak
That moment when you realize star wars portraying real life events 😮
One thing I’ve noticed when it comes to the dark side is they all blame others for their own darkness. Yoda wasn’t perfect and the Jedi weren’t perfect but they still did a lot of good. Isn’t it interesting that the same rule of the Jedi aren’t perfect therefore I’m breaking dark doesn’t exist where the Sith are concerned. They can do all manner of evil but be accepted for it and gain loyalty but if the Jedi aren’t perfect then let’s be evil. The truth is that darkness was in the ones who turned the whole time they just needed an excuse to let it loose. They should own that not blame Yoda or the Jedi for it.
Honestly, I am getting a bit tired of everyone making "why Yoda was so bad" videos. Yoda was not flawless, alright. But first, in hindsight we are all smarter. What should the Jedi have done? Abandon the Republic and just tell them: "oh sorry, you are corrupt, we are leaving and meditation on Dantooine, don't ever call us"? And who should really have replaced Yoda? The egoist Dooku? Windu the heartless? Obi-Wan who led his Padawan to fall to the Dark Side? Qui-Gon, who rather did his own thing than care about the Order or the Republic at all? Who? And what would anyone of you do different GIVEN the knowledge at the time?
And then the Republic had not slowly become that twisted way, and had to a large degree because of the Sith's doing for many generations, and because it was simply too large. Should the Jedi have started a war against the Hutts to end slavery? Nobody is thinking this trough.
So let me reply here with a quote from Captain Picard and ST wisdom: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
I wonder if Sidious said to himself, "FOOL, FOOL, FOOL!!!" everytime he advised Dooku.
Imagine if Dooku instead had rallies Jedi to join him in making a new Jedi Order of his own.
I think Yoda should have listened to Dooku because he did make some great points
The rare case of experience failing when intelligence was better.
would it be possible to do videos on SWTOR, more specifically the playable characters and their backstories or would it be to difficult given you can be light, dark or a bit of both, making their stories harder to tell?
Yoda's problem was that he stayed in office way too long due to the longevity of his alien race. His POV had gotten so old that it had become Jedi dogma. It is quite possible that some like Qui Gon Jinn or Obi Wan Kenobi had lived their entire lives knowing only Yoda as GM.
It had long become time for him to step aside and let someone else assume the role of Grand Master. In a way Palpatine was right when he said the Jedi "refused to give up their power."
I believe Yoda sought to align the Jedi with the Republic idea of fighting for the greater good (the best for the majority). However, as the Republic turned greedier and the Jedi kept supporting this system, they inherently allowed that corruption to get inside. With Qui-Gon Jinn's death and Dooku's leave and turn to the dark side, I think Yoda felt the impact of his action and sought to amend for them, although it would take some time which the Jedi Order would not have to escape its downfall that was set by Sidious.
I don't think he was terrible, and I doubt someone with quick changes would have been better. It most likely would have shattered the Jedi's into groups that could start fighting each other, or that could have taken worse beat by Sidious (I think he would have taken advantage of a shattered Jedi group and manipulated them worse).
That being said, I do think he was not better prepared to handle such a difficult task to change the Order to help the Republic's population without carrying for politics, or to become independent from the Republic's senate.
This makes me believe Dooku would approve of Lukes Jedi Academy far more than its predecessor. Which makes me wonder, while technically a sith, but like with Anakins redemption, there would still have been one small spec of light in Dooku, one hope clinging to change for the betterment of the galaxy, would it then be possible for Qui Gon to reach out to Dooku in his death? to have Dooku, like Qui Gon, observe the progress and fall of Vader and the rise of Luke Skywalker and the new ways of the jedi? And if so, what would Yodas and Obi Wans reaction have been to witness Dooku, not as a sith spirit but as a force ghost?
To point out a slight error. The Jedi reported to the Supreme Chancellor, not the Senate. The Supreme Chancellor's duties were very limited, and in simple terms acted as the "Head of State". While the Supreme Chancellor coordinated the actions of the Senate, the office did not command the Senate. Because the Jedi reported to the Chancellor, there was no vote required to send a Jedi to a location. This was all part of the Russan Reformation Act. Which changed the Jedi Order greatly.
As Head of State, his job was simply limited to diplomatic duties. Because Jedi could often get results without violence, they were often used as diplomats. So they were trained diplomats, as well as Jedi.
If a Chancellor is limited to head of state duties, and senate coordination... there is little he can do to quell corruption within the Senate itself. Even as Emperor with complete power, Palpatine couldn't rid the Senate of corruption. Corruption was rampant likely due to the reformation act, and how planets were represented by being within a "Sector". Instead of each planet or system having a representative.
When Palpatine was given emergency powers during the Clone Wars, he also became the commander in chief.
In short, Yoda's hands were tied a lot more than he likely wished they could be. However, there are things within the Jedi Order he could have implemented which may have done more to assist many systems, especially those outside the core area of the galaxy. Yoda also could have worked to "Police" the senate itself, or the state department aspect to reduce corruption.
Dooku wasn’t wrong he knew exactly what happened and how the republic was flawed.
Much as I love yoda this is 100% true
Couldn’t agree more!!!!! Answering questions with questions … clouded visions…. Can’t finish a lightsaber duel EVER…. Cuts off his Jedi from the natural connection and love (even though supposedly sith deal in absolutes) …. involves thousands of Jedi in a war as “generals” even Tarkin pointed out this flaw…. 😂😂😂😂 yoda was the worst grandmaster EVER !!!
The problem stems, I think, from the Jedi trying to stop being warriors and become negotiators and sages. Only warriors truly appreciate peace and have the guns to make a stand.
palpatine wasn’t the chancellor at the time of the beginning of phantom menace he was only Nabos senator
" A poor apprentice makes for a foolish master."
What book was yoda called complacent and all that by dooku? I really wanna see this
I mean he was wrong
Being kind, smart, and powerful dos not make up for willful ignorance
The part that parallels life the most (to me) is how it is mentioned the Jedi are used more like a sword for the republic, not a shield. How Jedi blood is spilled needlessly in affairs that they had no business being involved in, all for the sake of senators. That's like my Army career...without lightsabers.
Dooku was a Sith tool used by Palpatine then thrown away.
I mean...yoda WAS pretty inept. He knew it too, that's why he had stepped down as grandmaster of the council before the clone wars.
He only had to pick it back up when Windu stepped down out of a combination of guilt over geanocia and a desire to be a frontline general.
Apologies if the video has already been done, but what do the acolytes believe what would have happened if Yoda had defeated Sidious? Order decimated, Order 66 still carried out, Luke, Leia, Yoda and Obi still alive. A new Jedi Empire?
Dooku was Based and Truth Pilled
Yoda was not a fool, but he became foolish by believing himself wise. He grew arrogant. Dooku wasn't wrong, but his actions were.
The main problem with the last-minute addition of Dooku into Star Wars and his reasons for leaving is that he is a man that could easily have been the Revan of his time. Which makes him not rallying Jedi, probably a huge chunk of them, to his cause of taking action to deal with the problems in the Republic quite strange. And if the Republic moved against him and his supporters, the rest of the Jedi would be spurred to act at their comrades being attacked.
I'd say it was a a little bit of both. He was a great Jedi but Yoda did lose touch and became easily manipulated by the Republic.
Yoda oversaw the destruction of the entire Jedi Order. One could argue Yoda was the worst Grand Master of all time.
It was a combination of both
Dooku made some valid points about the shortcomings of Yoda, but I do not think Yoda was a fool. I think that Yoda made the mistake of becoming complacent rather than keeping his wits sharp and realizing that the Jedi had become far too dogmatic and the lapdogs of the Republic. Worse, Yoda did not do anything about leading the Jedi in a direction that would see them be better and doing better regardless of their ties to the Republic and regardless of any world's ties to the Republic or lack thereof.
Dooku had raised some valid concerns but Dooku was also blind to the fact he was falling into the same trap neither one has the right to claim or even stand on the moral high ground. Yoda did at least admit to his mistakes albeit too late to do any thing about it Dooku if it did dawn on him he was a second away from his death.
Well, the order did fall entirely under his watch. So hard to argue he wasn't a bad grand master.
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This mf Yoda died at 900years old. He was Grand Master for only about 60years though. Meaning he was a master for almost 800years... You know how many Dark lords came and went during his life? How much pride and ego he had to have built over that time? Stubborness? Who knows how long he was on the council. When it comes to his age and the fact the Sith snuffed the Jedi out not only under his nose but peeled off his own pupils throughout the hundreds of years and he was still oblivious just makes Yoda probably the absolute worse Jedi of all time
Dooku was right because his failing he lost two great Jedi to the dark side. That being him and Anakin. If only he would have listened to dooku and as qui gon then the Jedi would have still been around
Palpatine was not Supreme chancellor yet. He did not send them valorum did.
I think there is some truth to dooku’s criticisms, after all, when yoda was ranked as grandmaster, he had three others with him. The decisions used to be balanced between many wise counselors but yoda simply outlived his companions by centuries. I think he was a fantastic head of the order even a couple centuries after he became the only grandmaster. However times changed and he didn’t. To cut him a little slack, anyone would have had a hard time in that situation considering not only was the game rigged, they really weren’t even in control of any of it from the start.
Does someone or anyone know that theme lol I can't find it no where
Dooku was wrong, i think yoda being so close to emperor palatine, unaware of his power effected his stability in the force. Yoda was waiting it out because he knew somone sinister was close and needed to remain as he was so that he could destroy the threat. But maybe its something else.
Dooku should have been in episode 1 with some buildup instead of suddenly appearing in episode 2 as a replacement for Maul.
Yoda was a supreme failure as a grand master .
The jedi's arrogance , lack of knowledge of the past and ignorance of the living force all happened under the leadership of the troll-in-chief .
He complained about the arrogance of younger jedi , but after centuries of being the top frog ...... he did nothing to put a stop to it .
Every problem in the jedi order was his fault .
Now we finally understand why Dooku became a Sith and what he wanted for and i don’t blame him at all in fact Yoda was a fool who led the Jedi to suicide by allowing an unexpected clone army and getting too involved into war, being complacent and acting out as generals instead of peacekeepers, disregarding the people of the galaxy by putting governments and established orders first before the needs of the people, but worst of all pledging loyalty and putting too much faith into bureaucracy instead of following the will of the Force and committing too much to the old and outdated tradition instead of seeking out a new way for the Jedi to become better and adapting to a new way of life
Fun Fact;
- Yoda's refusal to forsake the Jedi Teachings, had been for the sole purpose to raise Obiwan Kenobi, and Luke Skywalker. Without Yoda, Luke would have become the new Darth Vader.
Dooku was completely right.Yoda was complacent. He aligned Jedi with the Republic. Republic lead by greedy,corrupt,sleazy politicians. And Republic was all that. Republic allowed slavery to flourish,wars were founded. And Yoda and Jedi allowed all this. He didn't progress the Jedi. He didn't see galaxy changing. He didn't see Sith returning. . Jedi were dogmatic,political. They didn't help Serenno.And final straw for Dooku was death of his pupil and friend Qui-Gon. Dooku was right about everything.May the Force be with you too,have a great day too😊
I agree 110% with Dooku Yoda is a fault for everything that happened in Star Wars, the rise of the Sith, the fall of the Jedi, the fall of Dooku, the fall of Anakin, all due to his failure.
Yoda couldn't win a duel or protect his wife.
As I always say: Jedi are flawed but Sith are psychotic. Who would you preffer to live under?
Orn Free Taa was a horrible selfish, greedy Slime. He might as well have been a Hutt....... And I agree that Duku was right, Especially about the slave business in the jedi be in soldiers.
The more you learn the more it seems Dooku was the good guy in all this, for a time.
I agree with Dooku