Jennifer's Body & the Horror of Bad Marketing
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"Not sure what stereotypical about an entrail eating cheerleader" that was the worst part about hs
oh yeah, the gym would always smelt like blood
The worst part for me was my algebra 2 class, this girl would always eat the teacher đ
Every time Iâd maybe have a shot with a guy- nooooo, because Cindy forgot her lunch and decided Kyle looked delicious!
thankfully she only got my appendix and i didn't need it anyways
Lmao the crazy thing about ur account is that this is the move love that the character the question is gonna get this year
That last line killed me. "What did you THINK was my favourite thing I've ever done? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?"
You can hear that bitterness coming out. "Someone please cast me in a role worthy of me"
honestly i did really love her as april o'neil, though.
The salt in that line gave me a cholesterol problem đ€Ł
nice insult hannah montana
The sad thing is that she wanted to move past the generic 'hot chick' roles for ages, but those tend not to be big studio films and therefore have smaller budgets. And she had children to support, so she had to go back to Michael Bay for those big paychecks. It seems as though she's getting those chances these days at least.
"Are we really to believe someone like Juno would neglect to use birth control?"
Uhh... YES. Because being witty at times doesn't mean you still can't overlook basic things like that, especially if you're an inexperienced teenager who doesn't fully understand the risks. Even capable adults don't always take that stuff because it can have some pretty nasty side effects, and even smart fully capable adults get unwanted pregnancies. It's kind-of absurd to put the same expectations on a minor.
It does not matter how intelligent you are in every other situation. Horny people are, and always will be, dumb af.
Yeah that line really pissed me off. Sheâs a teenager! Of course she could forget birth control!
Not to mention that sex ed in the US public school system is patchy at best.
When I was little I heard that it's almost impossible for you to get pregnant the first time you do it... So yeah. Lack of sex ed, misinformations and horny teenagers... the narrative of "only stupid people (ejem girls) get pregnant on accident" is... wrong and idiotic
I was more surprised that someone like her wouldnât just get an abortion
I feel like I only ever see this question of ârealismâ when it comes to female written or led projects too... I remember a male movie critic criticizing Birds of Prey for the lighthearted tone when she was murdering people. Isnât that what Harley has always been about? In Deadpool itâs funny and great but in that film itâs all of a sudden unrealistic. Not saying BoP is an amazing movie but the double standard is just đ
dude, yes. and someone brought this up (not sure who at the moment) but they mentioned how it seemed strange that when diablo cody comes up with different dialogue and obscure lingo, it's called bad and unrealistic. but tarantino does it and...it's brilliant?
Yhara zayd Yes! Her dialogue is done so dirty even though itâs never tried to be realistic. No one is saying these movies are void of critique, but this is just blatant misogyny...
@@8bitdiedie Calm down, Captain Buzzkill. DC is a massive franchise where multiple interpretations of the same character are allowed to exist, and Fun Harley can also be deep, tragic, and relatable (just like the flesh-eating cheerleader in Jennifer's Body is both horrifying and hilarious). Also, as someone who is "deeply troubled" myself, I'm uncomfortable with how you're implying that people with trauma or psychosis aren't allowed to have a good time. You're acting like DEEP TRAGIC SADTIMES and LOL XD RANDOM are the only options a mentally ill character can have. If you ask me, both suck.
8bitdiedie this is just an example of the point I was making, I literally donât care about DC lmao but your passion is appreciated
N. L. G. Of course deeply troubled people can have âa good timeâ. Just not by murdering people! Is that such a difficult thing to understand? If you think people with Trauma should be allowed to have fun by harming other people, then... wow. And yeah, of course you can combine comedy with tragedy but itâs a lot harder to take the tragedy element seriously when people market the character like some 90s edgy sitcom teen ala Bart Simpson. The Joker is also dangerously close to this depiction in recent years but at least the narrative tends to keep one foot grounded in how much of a genuinely bad person he is. And yeah, DC has different interpretations of characters which is cool but sometimes a crappy interpretation ends up being the public consciousness of what the character is like even though it waters down what makes the character good. This is the reason people nowadays view Superman/Aquaman as a cheesy boyscout and Batman as a rude edgy man-child even though most of their stories show them as far more complex than that.
It really sucks that, as an adult, I see that Meagan Fox is a smart, funny, capable woman who had her career ruined by Michael Bay. As a young girl, I really hated her because of what I perceived to be her self-cultivated image. Furthermore, I didn't understand that being the "sexy bombshell" is actually okay (you know, if that's what the actress wants). I think a lot of young girls have a lot of misdirected anger. We tend to blame the women who embody the expectations we resent, while not understanding the concept of choice or the larger culture as a whole.
You said it perfectly! đđŒ
Im shook so many people disliked her. As a kid i always liked her. But then again i was a kid and she was pretty & i thought a good actor, whereas everyone who seems to have had issues with her were teens around that time
Yes! As a teenager I really hated all the 'sex symbols' and thought that they were doing disservice to women, now I can tell women like Megan Fox were done dirty by the industry.
"We tend to blame the women who embody the expectations we resent" that is so true and so eloquently put
"We tend to blame the women who embody the expectations we resent" I think it's a self-protective/self-denial reaction. "You'd never catch ME acting the way SHE is" makes us feel safer and more in control than "Wow, I hope a powerful, influential man never uses me like one did to her." I do feel women now, at least millennials and younger, are more aware and calling out this kind of thinking so hopefully it'll go the way of all those teen boy victims in the movie.
The fact that mean girls and Jennifer's body both had Amanda Seyfried in them should be obvious that the core of the story is all about toxic friendship LOL
OMG I FORGOT THAT AMANDA WAS ON MEAN GIRLS đ
sorry for yelling. I was excited đ
I think she was cast in Mamma Mia between those two, so the Mean Girl Trope from Mean Girls was probably overshadowed by that. But honestly just the scene where they keep pushing each other, or basically every scene where chip talks about Jennifer should be more than enough to understand what the movie is actually about
I remember watching this movie with my mom and she even mentioned that it seemed like a horror take on the aftermath of an assault, how it changes a person on the inside, and we literally discussed how it discussed the complex dynamics between girls in their teen years. If someone in their 40's at the time could understand the metaphors behind the film despite not being a fan of the genre i don't understand how studio executives and critics missed the entire meaning behind the film. Well besides the industry's poor treatment of Megan Fox and the horror genre in general.
i love this
Jenniferâs body was soooo ahead of itâs time
At first it seems a bit dated in its sex politics but it slowly reveals itself to be quite sly in its message. It is still slightly dated, but I agree that it was ahead of its time! Diablo Cody is great.
No it wasn't. It was a less interesting version of Ginger Snaps but without the proper horror element.
You remind me of the Take reviewers. This is so good.
@@Bradley_Lute agreed!
@@Starkardur ppl only hated cause of outdated beliefs. They focused way too much on them being lesbians than the actual story itself.
i really wanna see someone make a trailer and posters for how this movie shouldâve been marketed
dude i had a section of the video where it was just a remade trailer but i cut it out
Yhara zayd nooo you shouldâve kept it in đ
maybe i'll upload it on its own, i dunno yet
Yhara zayd yes please!
@@Yharazayd upload!!!
i was a 13 yr old girl when this movie came out and I distinctly remember being put off by the ad campaign and the poster of megan at the school desk, it really did read as a porn-y movie for boys. i ended up watching it a few years later thanks to tumblr and it really really spoke to my teenage experience. it was so rare back then for films to be completely made by women for women so it is actually really sad that girls were completely alienated from their own media, and poor megan literally could not have a hit movie unless it was made for men....
Glad I got to watch it as a teen too. I was too young to watch it anyway when they movie first came out, but I still heard all the bad rumors that it was an icky film for boys. I randomly decided to watch it when it came out on tv and was surprised that I actually liked it and that I understood it actually had a message beyond just Megan Fox eye candy.
It's very funny to see "I was a 13 year old girl in 2009" next to the picture of a grandma lol
Same! I was 12 when I first watched this movie in like 2014, and I was so confused about why the ratings were so bad on IMDb and stuff. When I would say that itâs my favorite movie people would be kinda weirded out because of how it was marketed lol.
I never wanted to see this movie even though it was marketed towards me. Kind of reminded me of the excessive fan service in fairy tail.
Also have the opening song by âIâm not going to teach your boyfriend how to dance with youâ by the black kids, at the cheer thing where Jennifer waves at Needy, is like the lesbian mr.brightside where the lyrics go âyou are the girl Iâve been dreaming of, ever since i was a little girl.â That felt so intentional.
YES! My baby bisexual heart was so overwhelmed by that track and the energy between them. It worked so well.
Maybe youâd realize how witty teen girls can be if you actually listened to them
Mmm... I don't know about that...
Have you ever listened to a teen girl? Rhetorical of course, you obviously haven't...
@nicole davis No you misunderstand me;
Women are funny... and women are witty... but teenagers, of any kind, are not...
Teenagers are the WOOOOOOOOORST!
Can confirm: I was one...
@nicole davis Nope... just ageist...
he's same kind of guy who says women aren't funny
Megan Fox was done dirty by Hollywood, and so was this movie. Jennifer's Body was a really impactful movie to me when it came out (and I'm not gonna lie it was also my 12-year-old self's lesbian awakening)
100% same
same
bi awakening for me
ME TOOOOOSOSISIWIOOOO
@@AgentSteffi Same, haha. Not an awakening (I've known since childhood), but definitely reassurance. đ
But real talk: imagine this film,the exact same but distributed by a company like A24 it would KILL at the box office and online
ONE CAN ONLY DREAM
I would love a remake of this directed by megan fox. give her the respect she deserves.
Dude yes
That would have been so cool
OMG YES
I love how men are the ones saying Juno isnt a realistic teen girl, like they would have ANY idea, lmao
Stories themselves are already unrealistic to an extent so they already won't capture reality 100% sure I do expect some sort of realism but I won't be nitpicking everything about it
you're on fire
@@devonmunn5728 I agree. If a show was to deciept every single detail about reality, I'm going to be honest, that show would be boring.
How would one even write a story like that when there is no conflicts, no protagonists, and no antagonists? Because in reality, there is no "protagonist". It's a society of people going through life.
@@fiki1515 The closest you can get is portray things that happen in real life. I'm a writer and i do have more contemporary stories set in real life using real life drama within them but they still see stories with some sort of direction and arcs planned even if it is closer to reality then others and some do capture life quite alot but they are still a fictional story at the end of the day
@@devonmunn5728 You're a writer? Have any published works? I am an aspiring writer.
I find it interesting that women kissing women is generally always framed as "for men", and yet men kissing men is never framed that way.
Ever heard of the yaoi fandom
@@raquelramlochan184 most normal ppl havent
â@@raquelramlochan184And even that's not framed for men.
Sorry but not really lol.
Well I guess you ain't too bright.
Jesus, that last clip at the end was heartbreaking.
I get that she was just making a joke, but can you imagine being typecasted so hard that you hate most of the things you are in, and the things that you actually liked are completely ruined because of the perception that other people have of you?. I swear, being "hot" (and perceived as such by the men around you) is way more of a curse than a blessing.
Her talent and intelligence has always been overlooked, she was immediately sexualized and when she dared to speak her mind, she was awfully punished with absolutely no mercy.
Meghan fox deserves better, her filmography deserves better and I truly wish that in the future she can make millions of movies that make her as proud as this one.
"I swear, being "hot" (and perceived as such by the men around you) is way more of a curse than a blessing. "
Lmao. No
@@jac6548 I think in the case of megan fox this remark isn't as off the mark as it seems - because she is conventially attractive, she was oversexualised, and demonised - it's not saying that not being conventially attractive isn't harder, instead it's pointing out that what can be viewed as valuable traits can instead have a negative impact on someone's life and career.
@@kadenfoley3514 Oh, for sure. That's the case with almost everything in life. But it's definitely not more of a curse than a blessing, that reeks of first world problems
To anyone who can help me - what did she say in the last clip after asking the director what her favorite thing would be?
Sorry I'm not a native speaker and I cannot understand that part :((( ty in advance
Just Another Cat she said Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It took me a bit to understand as well due to how she said it
I was 17 when Juno came out and I found Juno the character aspirational in a way, because she was smart but still flawed. I was stoked for Jennifer's Body but as a young gay guy the marketing totally turned me off and I didn't watch it until it much later and I'm sad I didn't give it a chance when it came out.
it says a lot about how toxic Micheal Bay's filming making is when his influence continued to sabotage Megan's career after firing her
He first casted her in a film for a 1 second seen when she was 15. At first he wanted to have her by a bar but then changed it to have her dancing under a waterfall. I saw a video about how shes been treated by the industry and there was a clip included where she describes it (and mentions she was 15) and there was people in the audience cheering even when she clearly stated she was underage
Re Juno: it was INCREDIBLY realistic for Juno to be as smart and snarky as she was and still not use birth control. What about her not noticing a clear predator was grooming her? Also painfully real. I mean, have you met teenagers? Even the brightest and smartest don't think "it" can happen to them - faulty wiring. Juno was gospel when I was 15/16 and I will defend it to death. . . Also, the feminism of the film gets lost in Juno's character... Jen Garner's character, though portrayed as uptight and cold initially, becomes accepted by Juno and the audience for who she is also, as well as her wishes and choices to be a mother, even without a partner. The soundtrack still slaps and still can't look at Jason Bateman the same.
i got an uncomfortable feeling about the married guy but always told myself 'he never made a move on her, he wasn't being creepy' and didn't listen to the gut feeling I had. thank you for posting this comment.
I was too young to watch this movie when it originally came out. The poster and trailer always stuck with me just for how shocking they were. When I finally saw it for myself as a teenager, I LOVED it and am so glad it's found it's audience. Bad marketing or not, you can't kill a great movie
i think as long as cinema is driven by market interests, good movies will always get killed. but i am as pleased as everyone else that jennifer's body did not meet that fate
I agree with you! I remember seeing this movie on the shelf at Blockbuster when I was 10 and I was intrigued
i first heard of it through p!atd New Perspective, one of my favorite songs lol. But i was young, too, and also assumed it was a hypersexualized girl movie for guys. I hated anything to do with sex at the time so I never bothered with it. I am now ITCHING to see this movie!
Me too, I was 9 when it came out yet watched it last year at 19 and I AM STILL OBSESSED. It reminds me of my short lived friendship with an extremely rich and pretty mean girl who was new to the school like me but who always got praise and was somehow in her own perfect world with me next to her. It truly resonates with me.
oh my god the ending clip, ICONIC
Yeah I think I just fell a little bit in love with Megan Fox there.
I can't make out what she says at the end đ« do you know what movie/series she suggests?
HisNeverland Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Megan Fox is an icon we donât deservw
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING!!!
it was hinted at soooo many times that needy and jenniferâs relationship was way more then just platonic and that the kiss scene wasnât just there for bait but some people just never understood that
Legit this movie had all the girls and gays on tumblr obsessed ... still does
rumor states diablo cody did it for the girls and the gays, that's it.
im so glad people are talking about how megan fox was the victim of so much misogyny only a few years ago. and how the real reason this movie flopped is men refused to listen to both the female director and screenwriter and marketed the movie as a softcore porn.
both megan and jennifers body deserved betterđ
@BRAVOZULU DWEST boathouse yea pretty much. women good m*n bad glad we agree
@@jazmin6973 legendary reply
@BRAVOZULU DWEST boathouse dude you need to find another way to communicate this response was difficult to read like. maybe use grammerly or smth but honestly this was almost incoherent. like? what? snow white? angels? like ok sure i guess. also dont respond because i wont take the energy to try and read it
if there's one ad campaign I'd redo for my campaigns class it be this. We need more women in advertising/marketing yall
This comment makes me want to be one of those women so I don't let teen girls (or anyone similar) miss out on things that will be important to them!
I honestly donât understand since I went to college for marketing and publicity and 95% of the students were either gay or females. We just have to wait for the old people to step down I guess
Yes! This film, and "Mother!" from Aronofsky
@@Mewuli or, you know, maybe this isn't a business where being complacent and humble rewards you. Jobs aren't always spots waiting to be filled. Sometimes you have to make noise and make yourself noticed.
the "sexy" marketing for Megan Fox is exactly why I avoided watching this movie for so long but years ago it showed up on Netflix, I was bored and the summary in the description made it sound interesting. I was pleasantly surprised the movie ended up being nothing like how I thought it would be and I began to wonder why I didn't hear any good things about it for so long. I think it's a hidden gem.
And also, there are definitely men out there who'd like to be eaten by succubi... trust me.
The marketing is an issue but I do think the way she is shot in the movie itself and the way she is dressed is also something average teen girls would not want to see (no character in Mean Girls is comparable) nor is average teen girl a horror fan even if Cody was. Teen boys and older men watch more horror so even without sex appeal it would be likely the movie would be more marketed towards them due to genre.
Me and my all female, mostly gay, friend group were obsessed with this movie when it came out. I never knew it got so much backlash and the reasons behind that are infuriating. It's a great fucking movie.
It's just massively misogynistic to assume that young girls can't be witty and snarky. I remember loving thus movie because she reminded me of myself a little off beat bit of an old soul all of my friends to this day were like that and a lot more teenagers are like that. I think old men struggle to accept that young girls have a more equal and extensive access to information so sorry yes they are going to be smarter and more diverse than the oppressed and abuse women that you used to look down on
Louder for the people in the back!
AHH PREACHHHHH
When I watched juno I got so excited to see a sarcastic tomboy girl represented in the media. I kinda built my personality around her and to see people say that those girls donât exist makes me feel not valid
i think this comment misses the point. ive known a lot of witty and snarky teen girls, but juno had the wits of someone who was 30, not 16. even if a 16 year old is "mature for their age" they dont act like that
What grinded my gears was the "are we supposed to believe a girl as smrt as Juno would neglect to bring birth control" bit, implying that only uneducated, lesser people are the ones who have accidental pregnancies.
I remember watching this movie a year after I graduated from high school, a couple of weeks after falling out with my most toxic, but my most dearest friend i ever had. I freaked out so hard when i saw this movie (can anyone say gay panic) and it was very cathartic, honestly. A fucking travesty what happened to Diablo Cody and Megan Fox.
the repressed gay years of school when falling in love with your best friend was the norm but you only realise how gay you always were when you accept yourself as an adult and look back on those years and go "huh"
@@justamexicanboy4425 **eyeroll**
Iâm sure that someone has already pointed this out, but can you imagine how popular Jenniferâs Body wouldâve been had it come out now and been produced by a company like A24 or Neon? Iâm so happy to see it get the love that it deserves.
The sad irony is how many people I know who quote Juno's dialogue regularly. That movie predicted meme language.
audiences can have little a jk simmons, as a treat
I humbly request a lot of JK Simmons, please.
Wait til ya hear about Whiplash oooooh baby
For some reason I wanted to hate this movie growing up, but itâs become one of my favorite movies. Itâs crazy to think of how incredibly successful it would have been if it came out now.
Some movies are too ahead of its time.
I sometimes wonder the same for Enchanted. It did ok back then, but I can imagine it being so much more successful now. It's besically the Deadpool of princess movies.
@@sallylee4924 My family was addicted to Enchanted. We would watch it 3 days in a row.
@@sallylee4924 Enchanted is the shit, the soundtracks are just *chef's kiss*
8:10 whoa! I know the word sexist has been getting over used, but wow! Those reviews were actually sexist and had nothing to do with the stories, themes, writing, directing, style, etc as a film. It was all about how the lead actress looked. Those aren't real reviews. Critics are supposed to be impartial, judging the film by the craft not their personal feelings on the actors. The studio was dumb for thinking a movie made for girls should be marketed toward boys. I first saw Fox in Teenage Drama Queen long before I saw Transformers.
Jennefer's Body deserves a Criterion release, and that's just tea.
Just watched the movie yesterday cause it started streaming on the criterion channel. Your wish is granted!
It's on the Criterion Channel! We did it!
My parents saw Jenniferâs Body in theaters, it was a thing when I was younger that I would ask them to narrate movies they saw and they told me all of Jenniferâs Body on a cab ride home like a bed time story. I was totally in love with it and saw it as this dark twisted sinister movie with this alluring interesting bite to it. I was pretty young but I was very in love with it
Your parents sound awesome
Chloe Cho Yeah I know many of my favorite childhood movies Iâve never seen heheh
I need to figure out why a black screen with the words âJenniferâs Bodyâ with Gimme More playing moved me so
Literally same
same!!
Same
Makes me want to jump on a pole dance
mood. when i heard it, my heart was happy. my culture.
That review saying even witty teen girls wouldn't talk like that pisses me off. When I was younger I LOVED Calvin and Hobbes, one reason why I loved it so much was because of how smart Calvin was. He was around the same age as me when I was reading the comics but he was so clever and intelligent and I LOVED it. Then to say that Juno can't be witty and intriguing and interesting because she is a teen girl??? What the heck? I was watching Juno around the same age as Juno herself, and as a young woman, I loved that movie. The soundtrack became my life. I would listen to the vinyl record of the soundtrack with my best friend in her room while we smoked weed and burned shoeboxes full of her ex's stuff. So fuck the dude who thinks Juno should have had dumber dialogue and more pop music so that it would have been more "real".
YES EXACTLY!! and idk how many of them were influenced by the movie or if the movie nailed it on the head, but i knew so so so many girls like juno growing up so like.... im confused to what the reviewers were trying to say... like?? maybe you just dont know girls as well as you like to think you do
Jennifer loved Needy more than Needy loved Jennifer, that's facts.
I think she loved the power trip. She loved knowing she was Needy's number one.
@@yukikanegawa7470 I think she loved both tbh
I remember watching this movie with my now partner of 14 years and I watched it for him. I wasn't interested in another sex romp with Megan Fox. I was blown away by how much I related to that film. I was 17 in 2009. I remembered the intensity of my relationship with my high school best friend. I remembered how much I loved her yet how passionately we would hate each other when we would have a falling out. I remembered my Jennifer. At the time I didn't appreciate how badly the movie, Megan Fox and the crew were let down by the studio marketing. I still love this movie and love how it made me look at my relationship with my best friend. How wonderful yet toxic it could be.
I love reading the comments of other women who are my age about this movie!
Have you seen the movie Thirteen (2003)? It's amazing (and a little shocking) and covers the topic of toxic but close friendships, too. If you watch it you should also read a little about it's background - one of the actresses, 13 years old at the time, was involved in the writing of the script with her stepmom I think, so it really is authentic and tells the story from a female perpective. I watched it when I was 14 and it really resonated with me. I'm 24 now and rewatched it twice last year and I still think it's incredibly well done, especially for such a small production.
Irrelevent but being in the same relationship for 14 years that started when u were teens is very impressive and takes a lot of work. congrats i want that in my life
@@novasummer7976 lol thanks. I'm amazed myself sometimes. 14 years, 3 kids, a lot of drama and trying shit but somehow he's still alive đ
I'm sure you'll have something like it some day :)
@@veve7349 I vaguely remember watching it at some point but maybe I wasn't mature enough to relate to it yet. I remember it getting a lot of praise at the time and a lot since.
Lol legit im sad gay girls could have been appreciating Megan Fox all this time she could have been shielded from so much sexual harassment and hurt
@BOARDROOM-BULLY -BY DAY & WARGROUND BULLY -BY NIGHT Well she is Bi-sexual.
I remember watching Jennifer's body when it came out and I LOVED it! I left the theatre thinking it will be the start for a new era in Megan Fox career as a femme icon and wishing she could get a lot of roles where she could explore her talent even more... Then I read the old-white-men critics and the incels comments everywhere and knew I wouldn't get what I wanted.
Being the same age as Elliot Page, and at the time the film was made, a self-proclaimed âindie music aficionadoâ, I can confirm he was 100% in saying that kids were listening to The Moldy Peaches. I think the biggest issue is that in 2006, the old white men reviewing the film thought the teens were ALL listening to the radio, a place you will not find a lot of the soundtrack for Juno.
ngl I was extremely jealous of Meganâs beauty when I was younger (I was a teen during this era) and I had thought this was another film targeted towards boys so I never gave it a chance even though my name is Jennifer too lol
But I absolutely love her and think sheâs great and she was treated unfairly by Hollywood male execs. And Jenniferâs body is a fun film
i feel like most females were jealous at one point in their lives she's extremely beautiful, but most of us have matured by now and got to see that she is extremely talented, i love her she's great. But i feel like her talent was never shown (except for in this movie) cuz she was always treated as the sex symbol and never seen as anything beyond that which must have negatively affected her career and, more importantly, her.
Same
I would have been the same, if a friend hadn't made me watch it, knowing I'd love it.
Nova Summer Nah, Megan Fox isnât all that talented when it comes to acting, though sheâs not awful but her performances are mediocre at best. I mean, the only reason why she was âdiscoveredâ was because sheâs well, really hot. And thatâs precisely the only reason why she was given a starring role in Jenniferâs Body.
In fact, this movie itself even concludes that Megan Fox is nothing but eye-candy (and if this movie was meant to prove that Megan is actually talented and more than just a sex symbol, it failed in that department). Sheâs just not a great actress (unlike Amanda Seyfried, who was the filmâs true saving grace).
Iá©á°áYááá maybe youâre right. But I think itâs cause she hasnât been given the opportunity to have more âseriousâ roles cause sheâs been type-casted as âeye candyâ and Hollywood only recognizes her sex appeal. Thatâs just my assumption though.
Ps Amanda seyfried is wonderful
I was turned off of this movie because of how it was marketed for sure. I was 15 or 16 when it came out, arguably the target demographic (from the directors perspective) and yet when I watched it I felt dirty and immoral- like I was watching something I shouldnât have been. I definitely want to give it another watch now, and Iâll be interested to see how my perspective on it has changed now that Iâm older and have a better understanding of the intent of the screenplay.
Let us know what you think on your rewatch (respond in the thread so we se)! I want to know what you think this time :)
@gina Me and my friends were the sameâ„ïž
I couldâve written this comment!
@@loonabloo I haven't been able to find it streaming online yet, but its my birthday today, so I might just rent it and treat myself, and I'll let you know my thoughts :)
"Not wise people who recognize Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen as their Lord and Savoir" MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!
You've just completely convinced me to watch this movie, I had always thought it was just sexy sexy time horror movie, and didn't need to see another movie about objectifying women... Honestly, i can't wait to watch it and see what I missed.
It really is a good movie.
Have you seen it yet? Lol. If so, what did you think?
@@hciapetus1251 I loved it, itâs got some real substance. The marketing was a crime
@@johnsilverman656 - Awesome! Iâm glad you liked it. I almost didnât see when it came out cause I didnât like the marketing. But I love horror, and mentally slapped myself cause I know that marketing is often wrong with certain movies.
It was definitely a great movie. I really liked how Jennifer was still the same person, but not really at the same time. Itâs what I imagine how people change after being assaulted... without the possession of a succubus. Lol
THANK. YOU. for years me and my high school best friend with whom I also had a very intense sexually frustrated but still platonic friendship with absolutely ADORED this movie. Watched it at every sleepover. But everyone else seemed to hate it. Now that weâre grown and have accepted that weâre both bi, it makes so much sense that we saw ourselves in Needy & Jenniferâs relationship. That kind of intense homoerotic female friendship is so very specific, male execs have just never had such an experience so they didnât recognize it for what it was and slapped the âraunchy teen boy movieâ label on it.
My best friend from age 12-20 and I had a similar kind of relationship. She's bisexual and I'm straight. I basically always knew, and never had an issue with it. We had sleepovers and would dress and undress in front of one another. There was this weird tension between us, because I loved her but not in the way that she wanted me to. She would date guys I had crushes on to spite me for not wanting to date her. We were supposed to go to our senior prom together wearing tuxes, but she ditched me to go with a guy she had barely started dating. I had a boyfriend too, and still wanted to follow through with our plan. Several times she brought up the idea of us getting married at 40 if we didn't meet someone by then. When I finally got married she tried flirting with my husband. Female friendships are so complex. They can be toxic and deeply emotional, and there is this sexual tension that's often present.
someone pls make a new trailer that appeals to the girls and gays
Oh my god this has to happen
Jennifer's Body was insanely relatable to me as I recalled my little teenage bi self completely willing to deal with a toxic friendship cause I had a solid crush. This is a delightful breakdown of why it was received so poorly when it was an amazing movie.
A lot of white girls like Jennifer's Body as some progressive, ahead of its time feminist movie, but me watching it as an Asian woman was quite interesting bc Jennifer makes a joke about Thai food smelling bad comparing it to a sexual act and makes a snide comment about getting nails done by Chinese nail technicians. Not to mention how they treat the Indian exchange student in the movie.
...but that is what teenagers are like, and its not Thai food because its an Asian food. Also these things don't discount the movies femininity, and that it was progressive for its time. Movies are still being made today with comments that are much more hurtful. I do not mean to discount your perception, but I think that you are reading too much into it because, as a teenage girl, these are representative comments and you aren't supposed to like the demon.
@@emmasandstone4754 I think the point of the comment here is everyone is speaking about how it was made "by women, for girls" but was clearly made for a white demographic, by a largely white women team. Which resulted in racist language where the joke wasn't how awful the racism was, but was merely a witty observation on Jennifer's part. You can't read too much into films, that's literally why video essays like this exist. If you can engage with a 20 minute video essay on how progressive and mismanaged the movie was, you can manage a dialogue about how the movie failed in its representation for all young women, and allowed for racism to be viewed as edgy and quirky when it was just plain racism from a largely white feminist writing team.
i noticed that semi micro-aggression in juno as well. i love diablo cody, but it rubs me the wrong way how she mocked the asian protestors broken english
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â@@Lolo-rk4nsI agree. I love the movie but some of the lines are awful.
wow, i had no idea about any of this. i steered clear of the movie PRECISELY because of the over-sexualized, tawdry depiction in the marketing. and i thought the title of the movie confirmed the accuracy of the marketing. i like sexy, and i like Megan Fox, but i'm not a fan of cheap. now i feel inspired to give this a watch. it actually sounds powerful. and if it's even half as good as you've described it, then it's a fucking tragedy how it was presented to the world. it almost seems criminal.
o/ i dodged it for similar reasons...
and watched it just after starting this review -hearing how it'd been totally different from the marketing hype i thought i'd check it out- & damn is it good. smart, subtly hilarious, thoughtful, disturbing at times, 's a great film. go see it.
It really is a good movie. You would give it a try
Thereâs a male CZcamsr who reviewed the movie and tried to say how to make it better, and thatâs the problem. The things he said, the points he made, wouldnât make it better, it would make it easier for teenage boys to understand. Complexity is a womanâs secret weapon, when used properly it can kill like a world war. He tried to say that we didnât need Jenniferâs murder so prominent and that it should have been more about needy and her boyfriend. Iâve always said itâs a movie about a violated girl, using her powerful sexuality to kill those who represent who the band perceived her to be; weak and easy. Then kills the one person that stands between her and her best friend. The people she kills werenât innocent boys that she had no reason to kill, they had a meaning. Itâs just that the simple horny mind of the young teenage boys who went to see Megan fox naked couldnât grasp the complexity of the storyline.
you summed it up completely.
Also the central relationship in the movie is Needy and Jennifer not Needy and her boyfriend-whose-name-I-don't-even-remember. That's the dynamic that matters. Needy was Jennifer's only hold on her humanity after she was possessed. And Needy, being Needy, accepted that role. In the end, it was Jennifer who needed Needy. I even wondered if the kiss between the two of them was Jennifer testing to see if Needy could somehow break the spell. Needy did set her free, eventually.
Please tell me you left a comment like this on it because I can literally see that video right next to your comment on youtube's suggested videos list XD (I saw the video suggestion first and knew it was a man based on the channel name and immediately was irritated because I inherently knew whatever he said would NOT make the film better, or be a nuanced take on the film)
Saw that review after i watched Jennifer's body bc of this vid and holy shit haha you're right
Hailey Irene you said this so perfectly.
Weird Fact: Most of my favorite horror movies focus on very female forward stories and characters. Tamara is about a bullied girl coming back from the dead as some kind of siren/witch, Jennifer's Body is... well the video explained it, Ginger snaps is literally a direct 1:1 allegory for the bestial nature of womanhood and the macabre way it is discussed in society as if it's some kind of evil ritual, and The VVitch is about a young puritan girl who's whole family is killed after they abuse her for her burgeoning womanhood and makes a deal with satan to live a life of freedom and comfort.
thinkin bout that dude that was like "you expect me to believe a teenager would listen to kimya dawson?"
like yeah dude, im 17 and traumatized, what ELSE would i listen to
Omg another example of straight guys fetishizing romantic relationships (and even close friendships) between girls. Like it's clearly a statement about the complex nature of relationships between young women, and your sexuality as a girl when you're coming of age. That's an L. Thank god us gays found it. Redemption arc. I also remember some of my wlw friends telling me about how it was relatable to them!
I always put Jennifer's body in my list of fave LGBT movies, the fact you posted this on pride month means a lot to me.
There was a point in time where I was accused of being gay and made fun of for it just because I liked this movie when everyone else hated it. And they were all teen boys who were pissed because it wasn't just Megan Fox porn.
This movie is finally being seen in a *new perspective*.
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straight dudes just don't get it: a saga
Yep. Because some things aren't made for them, darn it.
I feel so bad for them. Not everything being made for them so sad :(
I'm a straight dude and I liked it. Also there are lgbt+ people that do'nt like the movie. People are individuals too, you know. So no need to talk trash about a specific group of people :)
@@kennthy thank you, i did NOT know people were individuals
oof ânot..all straight bad.â Breaking News homophobia and sexism goes down 100% !!
Okay real talk not to make this long but-
SO BEING A YOUNG BLACK, (didnât know it at the time) BI, AKWARD TEEN DURING THIS TIME WAS SOOOO FUCKING HARD. I hated myself always, was soooooo jealous of almost every girl in my friend circles because they were pretty and getting attention from boys and I was always the ugly but reliable friend. My friendships were toxic and so life affirming at the same time. I know now I fell in love with two of my best friends so that explains even more....anyway I hated pretty/hot/sexy girls because I wasnât one. I hated Megan Fox because she was everything I wasnât.
-BUT THEN I GREW UP AND REALIZED THAT ~iM nOt IIkE oThEr gIRLs~ is a defense mechanism for girls with poor self esteem and who have general feelings of envy and waywardness when confronted with a confident lady who carries herself with power and beauty-and the kicker is...WE ALL HAVE IT!!đđ€©
The patriarchy constructs society in a way that punish pure self love and pride to make us quite, small and easily pliable to their whims. Thatâs why I hated her and so many like her but now Iâm either indifferent or love some of them. Weâre all in this together!
I wanna say more but this is long enough and I donât wanna get to deep because of that but this is the main pulp of what Iâm trying to convey-
IM SORRY MEGAN FOX, Iâm so sorry đ
Im glad you learned why you hated her and others and embraced yourself for who you are! Congratulations! đ€
Your words are perfect and should be read but every child growing up.
whatever
@@Imperator_Chrysalis your comment sufficiently conveys how much you don't care, well done.
everyone knows "im not like other girls" is a defense mechanism, that doesn't magically make society stop treating ugly girls like shit
It's nice to imagine a scenario where michael bay isn't real
I definitely listened to Kimye Dawson when I was 16 lol. And the way teenagers speak in films and tv is always inaccurate. I prefer when they pick a style and stick to it over a show or movie trying for something that a middle aged dude thinks is realistic.
and thats on my gay self still running a jennifers body tumblr blog in 2020
QUEEN SHIT. You are a hero............
don't be shy, drop the @
yeah can i get the @
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Whatâs the @, queen?
I love Jennifer's Body so much. I feel like almost every teenage girl has felt at least one of the emotions Jennifer and Needy had for each other if not all.
That zinger about Juno's soundtrack being inauthentic is so funny to me because it perfectly mirrored my playlists at the time the movie came out- when I was about 16.
Iâm so happy Jenniferâs Body is finally getting recognition I just wish he same would happen the rest of Diablo Codyâs filmography: Young Adult, Paradise, Ricky and the Flash. Sheâs such a good writer but people but people dismiss her as âThat Juno Ladyâ
I vividly remember myself as a 12 year old in blockbuster seeing the dvd of Jennifer's Body and thinking Megan Fox was sexy and probably was some sort of soft porn horror themed movie and avoid it, now as a 20 year old, after watching and loving the movie, I wish the cover of this movie wasn't what my 12 year old self thought I was, it's one of the closest depictions to how I felt as a teen girl in high school I have ever seen in film (aside from lady bird)
Jenniferâs Body was filmed at my high school when I was attending it. I remember getting in trouble by a film staff because my friend and I were sitting outside a trainer with a messily written sticker on it that said âJenniferâ, getting yelled at we ran off taking the sticker with us. Not knowing anything about who or what Jennifer was.
And btw the scene with a pool was filmed in an underground abandoned pool at the school.
Really loved this essay! As someone that fell into the âDissapointed Young Boy That Only Wanted Hot Girl Movieâ club, Iâve come to appreciate this movie so much more now that Iâm older. That interview between Fox and Cody got me to rewatch it a few weeks back and itâs really such a fun film that is so bonkers yet so confident in what it wants to be.
Jennifer's Body is the origin story for my bisexuality and my love for complex female characters
I also remember being early 20s when I saw ads for Jenniferâs Body, and immediately got jealous (super petty and I hate that part of myself I allowed to exist at the time.) i ended up watching the movie out of being attracted to Megan Fox MYSELF - howâs that for a testament to the accuracy of the kiss between Jennifer and Needy. It can be extremely confusing to be friends with an extremely beautiful girl and they got it right. But simultaneously, seeing Megan Fox everywhere just made me resent her at the time for being so hot and making me feel insecure because every guy loved her. That is petty and the marketing completely is responsible for that. Now itâs one of my favorite all time films and I LOVE Megan Fox, she did an amazing role in this movie. It was so unfair what happened to her and I hate it. We all know who really caused her downfall. Disappointing and sad. These are peopleâs dreams, being thrown against the rocks like a piece of trash. I remember after seeing the movie too thinking âwtf does her in a school girl uniform have to do with this movie?â Yeah, this was disappointing and I wish she had a chance again. Diablo and Megan are both so capable of greatness and deserve better. Thanks for this video.
i was 7 when this movie was released, and the trailers freaked me out and made me scared of lesbians for a little bit. now i'm a lesbian who loves this movie
Yay!
ok me
Imagine a world where this movie did well so Megan Fox was able to get her hands on her role in the Marvel Cinematic Universeđđđđ
Dude, when this came out, I avoided it by miles based on the marketing. Had I known what the actual angle of the movie was I would have seen it in theaters (and I NEVER go). This is the perfect example of why all aspects of Hollywood needs more diversity. You can pretty much guess this studio and marketing team's demographics
that ending line when Megan talked about her fav movie is super shady
I've watched that scene like 5 times, even with captioning, I have no idea what she says after: 'what do you think it would be?" What did she say?
Katya âwhat do you think my favourite thing would be that iâve done, teenage mutant ninja turtles?â
@@springirls thank you!
I remember when Jennifer's Body came out, I was one of the horny 17 year old boys that watched it literally to oggle at Megan Fox but was so pleasantly surprised went it turned out it was actually a fascinating comment on the intensity of the teenage girl friendships I was seeing around me in highshool at the time... such a misunderstood film, I knew that I just liked some films coz they were "hot" (looking at you Suckerpunch lol) but when I saw good old Roger Ebert also thought it was more profound than it seemed I knew my interpretation of the film wasn't just me being a pubescent hormon3 bomb.
Zach Snyder failed women terribly with Sucker Punch, no matter how many men on youtube try to "analize" it, it should have never been made, it ruined the careers of everyone in it but Oscar Isaac and Jon Hamm
Iâm a girl and I love sucker punch đ€·ââïž
I also watched it for Megan, and that it was a horror movie was a plus ... had low expectations but it was a pleasant surprise, especially the ritual "you know hard it is to be an indie ban?" unexpected sacrifice to the devil. lol
When this film was being marketed, everyone in my family understood it as a stereotypical sexualization gone horror and gone gay. It was high key a bisexual awakening for me. We all were super excited to see it, funnily enough my brother slightly less than me and my mom. But the movie was rated R and we were poor anyway, so we decided to wait to watch it at home. But once it wasn't being marketed we forgot, and didn't end up watching it until me and my mom watched it a couple years ago and loved it. I don't know if my brother ever ended up watching it.
I've been obsessed with Kimya Dawson since first watching Juno, I love that Elliot picked The Moldy Peaches and introduced me to such fascinating music that I still hold dear today
I always found Jennifer's body a fun and interesting film because I read it as an exploration of female sexuality through a horror lens, not as a way to exploit Megan Fox. It was cheesy and dumb but in such a way that I can't hate it, it's too interesting to hate it
I remember I begged my dad to buy this when it came out on DVD and proceeded to cart it around to all of the sleepovers I went to. I still have the same DVD copy - the iTunes code still worked after after a decade.
As a young girl, not yet aware of my bisexuality, I really really really loved this film. Back then I both wished for a friend like Jennifer and was terrified of the pressure of being friends with such a girl. It PERFECTLY represents the social struggle of high school girls. The exporation of their sexuality resonated with me without knowing why.
I haven't thought about this moviebin a long time, but now I totally understand why it used to be one of my absolute favourites.
As a young girl I couldnât explain why I liked this movie, gore was never my thing and I felt that I wasnât the target audience (now I know the marketing is to blame for that). Watching it in the present I can really see that the true message of the movie got through to me, and it makes me incredibly frustrated that other girls were turned off by it because of the marketing when the movie itself is surprisingly relatable despite the whole succubus part. Thank you for this video!
jennifer's body is my fave movie and i have never cared what anyone has said about it. especially men.
So crazy I had no idea about this resurgence in popularity but I was at home alone one night two weeks ago (the day the music video with Megan Fox got trending on CZcams) and went searching for it online and watched it for the first time. My fiance told me he watched it in theaters and he hated the film and it wasn't good but I watched it and, tho I thought it would have been better as a vampire film instead of a succubus film (vampire is a parasite feeding off of others who then either die or become a parasite themselves the metaphor fits much better in that scenario), I really enjoyed it. It is so sad how Megan Fox got typecast so badly it made an entire good film fail because the marketing team couldn't see past her attractiveness. I legit feel bad for her. It must really hurt to have had everyone think you are nothing but pretty and tank anything that you do that reaches beyond that. I'm so happy that people are finally seeing her for the talented actress she is
Jupiter Ascending was marketed with the same disparity in its content. It was marketed towards boys and it was a princess movie clearly not meant for them.
I love your sense of humor! I've subscribed and I'd love to see more analysis from you! Ive never seen someone break-down things from this era.
My mom like refused to go anywhere but I remember the soundtrack was amazing and I always wanted to go see it. Then everyone tore it apart. I actually loved this movie because it felt like Megan was going to strike out and take control of her career Beyoncé style.
I loved Jennifer's Body when it came out but when I tried to rewatch it I was uncomfortable with the racist comments and it's kinda frustrating that when people talk about it they're never like "but I wish it wasn't racist". I just feel weird that people don't bring that up more.
Itâs racist?
@Rabea Halim It was the jabs at Asian people and culture
Tbh in the dub I watched Iâm pretty sure they took out these comments so I never knew about them until now
Youâre a snowflake who needs to get offended over everything.
Everyone on Earth owed Megan Fox an apology for how much we treated her.
I genuinely didnât know it wasnât well received. Reading the synopsis, the cast, and the visuals were enough for me to say âthis is a film that checks every box on my listâ and I LOVED it and watched it multiple times throughout high school.
Good analysis! As a straight woman, when the trailers for this movie came out, I did feel like it wasnât for me because it appeared that the main purpose was for Megan Fox to titillate the audience. So I didnât watch it. By contrast, I immediately saw Mean Girls with my then best friend when it came out in theaters. I love Mean Girls to this day. I would go ahead and give Jenniferâs Body a chance now but Iâm not big on horror movies anyway.
i find it so upsetting that mostly middle aged men criticised these two films made for and about teenage girls. i find both representations of juno and relationships between jennifer and needy comforting and enjoyable to watch. iâm a 17 year old girl and i love kimya dawson seems like old male critics try to claim they want good teen girl representation and then put us in boxes as they do it! i loved this video thank you!
I was too young to watch this when it came out, however I knew about it because of the Panic! at the Disco song they made for it. I remember being shocked by how overtly sexual itâs trailer was and how I didnât understand why Panic! would make a song for a film that is so overtly sex orientated (I clearly didnât watch a lot of sex-orientated films to realise that this isnât overt.) Upon further research and growing up, I can now obviously tell it was VERY wrongly marketed, but you already knew that lol. TLDR: my pre-tween self even recognised the strange marketing and the strange tone.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that "New Perspective" is about getting someone to go down on you. That definitely was not an innocent song.
elusive Iâm gonna be honest Iâve never thought enough about the lyrics so I never realised it was about that đ± thank you for enlightening me though lol. My young brain at the time of avidly listening to this song seems to have glossed over the âcan we fast forward to go down on meâ line đ I suppose the song does fit the marketing vibe although itâs not as blatant with it I suppose. Iâm going to genius lyrics now lol.
I remember seeing trailers for this and not watching due to my age and the sexualization, but my older sister really loved it. I also knew from the Panic song but since I knew lying is the most fun a girl can have I wasnât surprised it seemed on brand, I was just confused when my sister would talk about the movie and it seemed her connection with it was much deeper than just a movie about a hot evil girl and I always wondered what more there was to it
Seeing the clips of this film makes me so nostalgic for that time period; the Fall Out Boy posters on the wall and the fashion choices, etc. I didn't get to see the film when it first came out but saw it a few years later and really enjoyed it. It felt like it was made for the alternative teenage girl and I love it for that. And I feel really bad for Megan Fox, because it seems like people disregard her a lot and don't really give her a chance. She's seen as "the sexy girl" and it's assumed that's all she is. In this day and age, that's a very sad viewpoint to have of someone.
They heard those âthis music isnât *actually* popular with teenage girlsâ comments about Juno and were like . . . BET?
P!ATD, Hayley Williams, Florence and the Machines, and All Time Low?!! like, DAMN. i was blasting all of those constantly in my teen years! and i love how Jennifer has a Fall Out Boy poster on the wall directly above her pillows, everytime it was in frame i was laughing internally so hard. like. i know that life, ive LIVED that life â ïžđ
The reviewer is the type to say that you donât even listen to the band on your shirt and ask you to name their entire discography
I had always heard how bad Jenifer's body was but I loved it when I watched it, as a guy Megan eating guys was awesome.
i canât say anything other than thank you. FINALLY someone said it. this movie deserves the love itâs gotten in recent years 100%
Megan is such and underrated actor and person. And the toxic male gaze of this movie, is one of the most reasons why Promising Young Woman is been attacked, saying that "Carey Mulligan is not hot to play the character" GOD, toxic men think that every woman story is made for them!!!!!!
Ps. I LOOOOVE your channel â€
I can honestly say, I went to go watch this movie after I watched the first half of this video and I came back to watch the rest. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was working at a movie theater when this came out and it was one of only a handful of movies that came out while I was working there that I didn't watch! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. That was honestly a great way to spend this evening!