The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory

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    The Big Bang Theory provides a perfect lens through which to deconstruct a popular media trope I like to call the Adorkable Misogynist. Adorkable Misogynists are male characters whose geeky version of masculinity is framed as comically pathetic yet still endearing. Their status as nerdy “nice guys” then lets them off the hook for a wide range of creepy, entitled, and sexist behaviors.
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  • @ArtemisScribe
    @ArtemisScribe Před 6 lety +26926

    "On television men's feelings and men's egos are nearly always depicted as more important than women's comfort or women's safety" And there it is everybody, that's the kicker right there.

  • @arianalarios6801
    @arianalarios6801 Před 2 lety +23939

    The episode where Penny finally calls him out on his sexual harassment always made me, as a woman, feel so uncomfortable. The fact that they guilt-tripped her into apologizing did not make sense to me at all.

    • @paolacintron6200
      @paolacintron6200 Před 17 dny +10

      I agree. I honestly thought that her Penny calling him out to his awful bs would finally make him see how horrible of a person he is and change!

  • @phchik
    @phchik Před 2 lety +22769

    I once saw a quote “Sheldon loves Spock, but Spock would really despise Sheldon for his prejudices” and I think that’s brilliant

  • @CristalianaIvor
    @CristalianaIvor Před 5 lety +62950

    "Geeky Guys can be sexist, too" well, every girl who plays online Games can agree to that.

  • @Twinkletoes7300
    @Twinkletoes7300 Před 6 lety +22654

    I'm so glad a man brought attention to this issue as I think that a woman would have been criticised for being "overly-sensitive" or a "feminazi". It's a shame that when it comes to talking gender equality, men are commonly taken a lot more seriously when voicing their opinions about it. Great video!

    • @NickonPlanetRipple
      @NickonPlanetRipple Před 6 lety +2230

      You might not see it here now that he's able to moderate comments, but there used to be loads of vicious dudebros taking over the comment sections, deeming him a "cuck" or "fag" or other bigoted language for being over-sensitive himself and daring not to fall in line with what they think a man should stand for. He is getting traction, but there was some strong resistance leading to where he is now. But maybe this was a special case, I dunno.

    • @Shorty_Lickens
      @Shorty_Lickens Před 16 dny +6

      Its a very unfunny show on top of being sexist, but if you point out either failing you're going to be attacked online, by the same type of guys they were portraying ON the show, which actually makes sense.

    • @Vishnuk-fe9iv
      @Vishnuk-fe9iv Před 2 dny

      Wrong. No woman is shamed for showing the issues which is sexist. People calls her feminazi when she twists it and try to paint Men bad.

  • @bahahanope
    @bahahanope Před 6 lety +22989

    My best friend is an engineering major and one of 4 women in her intro to mechanical engineering lecture. First day of class, she walks in and sits down. The guy next to her says "You know this is an engineering lecture, right? Do you need help finding the right lecture hall?"... So yes, the misogyny in this show is very real and thriving. And making light of it with overdone jokes and subpar comedy is not helping anyone. TBBT has been trash since the beginning, I truly don't understand how it ever took off.

    • @NickonPlanetRipple
      @NickonPlanetRipple Před 6 lety +3204

      It told creepy guys that their bad behavior is permissible. It told them what they wanted to hear.

    • @Vishnuk-fe9iv
      @Vishnuk-fe9iv Před 2 dny

      How is that mysogny? That Guy was helping her. The same goes for Men.

  • @juanarocha8629
    @juanarocha8629 Před 3 lety +7281

    If you remove the laugh track, They're very awkward and unfunny

    • @ot1438
      @ot1438 Před 25 dny

      The show is trash, but obviously removing the laugh track would totally ruin the comedic timing and make it awkward.. there are plenty of valid critiques without resorting to cheap oh it had a laugh track nonsense

  • @Fanimati0n
    @Fanimati0n Před 5 lety +14786

    Okay, I never saw that clip of him calling Marie Curie an "honorary man" before. That was... That was something.

  • @roguecodes
    @roguecodes Před 6 lety +25352

    To add to your list of nerdy male characters who aren't sexist- Tom Holland's Spider-Man was a really good depiction of a movie character like that

    • @Eilowyn
      @Eilowyn Před 6 lety +3012

      Excellent addition to the list! I think Jonathan was working on this before Homecoming came out, but Holland's Peter Parker is right up there with Abed and Ben Wyatt in my book.

    • @Supernaturlisch
      @Supernaturlisch Před 6 lety +845

      Could you elaborate? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Tom Holland's take on Peter Parker, so I'd just like to add a bit more to love about the movie!

    • @TheNetherlandDwarf
      @TheNetherlandDwarf Před 6 lety +529

      I dunno, I had someone who hated it because of that one bit at the start where they're crushing on the girl and talking about her sweater.

  • @Emma-iy8nn
    @Emma-iy8nn Před 4 lety +29394

    “On television men’s feelings and bruised egos are nearly always depicted as more important than women’s comfort or women’s safety.” just had to reiterate that

  • @jazwaz112
    @jazwaz112 Před 6 lety +44393

    "acknowledging bigotry is not the same thing as critiquing bigotry"
    PUT THIS ON A BILLBOARD

  • @kirstiecampbell4000
    @kirstiecampbell4000 Před 4 lety +5392

    Come to think of it, the guy who essentially sexually assaulted me always threw pity parties about how he wasn't like "other guys."

  • @knogne5073
    @knogne5073 Před rokem +2269

    I just know that the writers thought that that Marie Curie line was throwing us women a bone, when all it essentially tells women is that the only way you can be respected by men is to be considered a man. I know I've had that feeling in my life since I was 4 years old, it's the reason why "pick me girls" exist.

  • @JulianneFreytag
    @JulianneFreytag Před 3 lety +9420

    "honorary man".
    That makes me so sad. The struggle that women had to go through. What a shitty thing to say :(

  • @yilvoxe4017
    @yilvoxe4017 Před 6 lety +55906

    This is so wonderful. There's no way a woman doing this video wouldn't have been dismissed for being a "feminazi" or told to "shut up". It almost makes me cry that there really are men out there who care enough to say these things. I've been a girl in the geek world since I was very little and I've seen all of this. Casual misogyny cannot be allowed to stand and we need men like you to say it. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.

  • @fizzfizzbang
    @fizzfizzbang Před 6 lety +12827

    As a female who was or is frequently the only one present in a comic store, magic tournament, d&d campaign, board game night at a cafe, or any online gaming group...I heartily agree with all of this. I especially love how nerd boys still try to make me prove my credentials when I've literally been gaming longer than they've been alive (I'm 35). You should hear it on Overwatch voice coms when I make callouts. Everything stops and you hear "Grill? Is that a grill??"

  • @melaniepedersen3750
    @melaniepedersen3750 Před 6 lety +35557

    i stopped watching this show when penny finally called out howard's creepy behavior and then he got depressed the entire episode, until penny apologised to him

  • @owend9050
    @owend9050 Před 2 lety +9193

    women on this show are ONLY there to be viewed romantically. as soon as a women arrives, whoever they are, they automatically have to be a love interest to one of the guys and I found that to be a problem. like, women aren't just objects made to be beautiful for men, they can contribute to society just as much as men can.
    also, when sheldon said that madam curie was an "honorary man" it was almost as like they had to consider her male to respect her. disgusting. now I'm 12 years old, and I know better than that.

  • @MissVerdine
    @MissVerdine Před 6 lety +36286

    Additionally, Amy and Bernadette have PhD's as well. Rarely are they referred to as Dr. on the show as the guys are.

  • @ollivergalaxy6785
    @ollivergalaxy6785 Před 6 lety +30253

    "nerds" are just as hyper-masculine as "jocks". They actively make a point of excluding women from typically nerdy activities and women are constantly being told to "prove" that they're a "real nerd/fan" . Why can't we just let people enjoy things?

  • @elfwineeomerson
    @elfwineeomerson Před 6 lety +4632

    when a nerdy guy gets rejected they always think its because theyre nerdy but most of the time it's because they're like these guys^^^ and don't think sexism is that bad

  • @prettyfuldancingirl
    @prettyfuldancingirl Před 6 lety +20533

    I personally never saw the "Heart of gold" in Howard. He's just creepy.

  • @glenmurie
    @glenmurie Před 6 lety +35770

    As a father of girls who share my passion for video games, comics, and science fiction who felt themselves pushed away from the lunchroom 'nerd table' as the boys started getting 'creepy' (their word) this whole video filled me with rage at the toxic way women are portrayed in media. I never bothered watching more than bits and pieces of that show, and all of them were awful. Thank you for pouring that filth into your brain, Pop Culture Detective, so that we don't have to.

  • @SarahC-lb9ux
    @SarahC-lb9ux Před 3 lety +7108

    As a woman in STEM I feel this every day from my colleagues.

  • @addangel
    @addangel Před 6 lety +13610

    Thank you! I'm so tired of the "nice guy" stereotype, endlessly complaining about being friend zoned as though women owed them something in return for not being assholes.

  • @flaviademarcos
    @flaviademarcos Před 5 lety +50248

    It's so nice that a man is doing a video like this, but also sad it's the only way most people would validate the criticism

  • @morganward2361
    @morganward2361 Před 5 lety +12508

    The most eye opening part of this video for me was your analysis of Leonard. I realized that I know so many Leonards. So many people who won’t challenge the misogyny I experience in life. So many “nice guys”. What’s even worse is realizing that *I* can be a Leonard. It’s so easy to roll my eyes and to just play off jokes as just that. It can be exhausting. I guess I just have to do better. Call out what I see and challenge what I experience.

  • @latentspacex
    @latentspacex Před 6 lety +14463

    i always felt strangely repelled by this tv show's humour, and you made me realise what I couldn't

    • @ot1438
      @ot1438 Před 25 dny

      You should try thinking about things

  • @hannahsweens5829
    @hannahsweens5829 Před 6 lety +15954

    I feel bad for Mayim Bialik, she's a part of the backbone of the show. She's a neuroscientist and fact checks all of the formulas etc written on white boards in the show but her character is completely bashed all the time. The show acknowledges Sheldon turning down Amy because he "doesn't know how relationships work" but when Amy says no to Sheldon or she needs space he stalks her. Seriously what the ever loving fuck is wrong with this show.

  • @the21stturtle
    @the21stturtle Před 6 lety +943

    As an autistic woman, Sheldon's behaviour bothers me the most; you can't use social disabilities as an excuse to say bigoted things

  • @fishbonesinc
    @fishbonesinc Před 6 lety +74491

    I feel sorry for you. Based on the clips you used, it seems like you actually had to sit through multiple seasons of this show. I hope you made it out okay. Get well soon.

  • @cocos.9730
    @cocos.9730 Před 6 lety +21029

    I thought I was too sensitive when I thought they are all creepy. Especially in the case of Sheldon who seems to despise women to a point I am surprised that he is in a relationship.

  • @genneth4986
    @genneth4986 Před 6 lety +2987

    God i hate that laugh track

    • @9_in_the_afternoon
      @9_in_the_afternoon Před 6 lety +422

      Genneth It's a live audience, not a track. Still annoying though.

  • @afragilebird6209
    @afragilebird6209 Před 6 lety +24966

    It's so nice to hear men standing up for women

  • @minnie6598
    @minnie6598 Před 6 lety +17615

    I used to love TBBT. But all of this is correct. And I can’t believe I had felt sorry for Howard when Penny called him out for being ’pathetic and creepy’. And then SHE apologised?!! The whole show is yucky...

  • @Fusilier7
    @Fusilier7 Před 2 lety +7133

    I have autism, and I frequently get compared to Sheldon. Unlike Sheldon, I am bad at math, but I am good at history and literature; I do not say inappropriate things to people, in fact I do not say anything at all; I may have immature behaviour, but I do not display this behaviour to anyone; Sheldon is aloof to his own actions and words, but I am very aware of how actions and words affect people, and Sheldon does not appear to have sensory overload, which happens to me all the time. But people still believe Sheldon is a good example of how neurodivergents are, so I just want to say, if you think Big Bang Theory can teach you about the basics of neurodivergent people, turn off the TV and try meeting real us as people.

  • @hannahsweens5829
    @hannahsweens5829 Před 6 lety +1625

    "hey guys, I'm a sexist and pretty racist too but I'm geeky and nerdy and don't know how to socialize so who cares lol" is basically the entire fucking show

  • @l.pietrobon3925
    @l.pietrobon3925 Před 4 lety +6391

    For a video that has the word "Misogyny" in the title, it has a surprisingly tame comment section.

  • @TheDude90100
    @TheDude90100 Před 2 lety +4693

    I actually threw up in my mouth when he called Marie Curie an "honorary man". What a fascinating insight into the vile mind of Chuck Lorre, who basically does this stuff in all of his shows.

  • @ashestodust9483
    @ashestodust9483 Před 3 lety +2027

    They also never apologize. They state that it's racist or sexist but never apologize.

  • @Pippis78
    @Pippis78 Před 3 lety +8364

    Even without the sexism the show's humour is constantly really mean. They just say mean oneliners to each other and that's the whole show. Even the geek culture references are really superficial.

  • @harrypotterfantng
    @harrypotterfantng Před 6 lety +9285

    YES! You hit the nail right on the head with this video.
    Another thing about BBT that bothers me and wasn't really touched on in this video is its incorrect assumption that all women are uninterested in "nerd stuff." Whenever one of the girls walks into a comic store it's like the men in there have never seen a woman before in their lives. Whenever the guys talk about Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Wars or something similar the girls are always completely disinterested and dismissive. It's fine to have a couple female characters be uninterested in nerdy things, but to present every woman in the world as being clueless to, say, the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars is absurd and ridiculous.

  • @pineappleagent1
    @pineappleagent1 Před 6 lety +4022

    I got so uncomfortable while watching 16 Candles for the first time. My mom had talked me into watching it with her and she only realized how creepy it was when I pointed it out.

  • @deeptootie
    @deeptootie Před 6 lety +9317

    it’s interesting to me how mayim bialik is an advocate for feminism and a very intelligent woman but still supports and works for a show that’s so blatantly misogynistic

  • @ToyKnives
    @ToyKnives Před 6 lety +3261

    In the end video, Jonathan looks like he had a mental breakdown after watching hours of BBT

    • @Eilowyn
      @Eilowyn Před 6 lety +734

      I wouldn't blame him if he did. Thank you, good sir, for watching all that crap so we don't have to.

    • @Madallen2002
      @Madallen2002 Před 9 dny

      I love that show.

  • @Carols989
    @Carols989 Před 6 lety +3965

    as a person who is majoring in a "nerdy" field i can assure you their sexism is very, very real and normalized. things are changing (half of the class is made of very open minded and chill people) but the other half is... well, let's just say our vacations just ended and we already have a racism scandal

  • @theycallmemagic
    @theycallmemagic Před 6 lety +3858

    Jesus christ the "honorary man/penis made of science" is the most objectively sexist and offensive joke ive heard in awhile

  • @miniskrrt1506
    @miniskrrt1506 Před 6 lety +2972

    Its funny cause in the Pilot episode pitching the show it actually had a girl geek in place of Rajh and Howard, which means they actively replaced her

  • @letsHugElefanten
    @letsHugElefanten Před 6 lety +7458

    I always hated that Penny ended up apologising to Howard after she called him out on his behaviour, I don't watch TBBT anymore because I don't really like the characters however I never thought about the sexism in the show that much, this really was an eye-opener, thank you!

  • @KrazyKain
    @KrazyKain Před 6 lety +4079

    really goes to show how our culture feeds the "nice guy" syndrome so many guys have where they feel a woman owes them a relationship after they've been friends for so long. You can't be a 'Chad' if you're a nerd right?

  • @updown8048
    @updown8048 Před 6 lety +2494

    I literally cannot watch big bang theory because it reminds me so much of my old roommates boyfriend and his friends/roommates. They were so rude, dismissive and downright disrespectful. I remember we all watched a movie and I didn't think it was particularly funny and they all went off on how low my IQ was because I read Twilight when I was 14 and all I actually paid attention to was how nice my eyeliner looked and they constantly compared themselves to Big Bang Theory. They treated my other roommate like shit too, constantly making allusions to her intellect and her being a blonde. They only took my roommate, his gf (who mostly nerded out for HIS benefit) and our other roommate who placated them by essentially asking them to mansplain everything, seriously. It was like every time I opened my mouth they were hell-bent on proving me wrong or why I wasn't as correct as I thought I was. Anytime I brought up something remotely dealing with clothes, cosmetics, or vanity I was immediately labelled VAPID...needless to say, I didn't live with those roommates too much longer...

  • @minervajeanlupin8755
    @minervajeanlupin8755 Před 6 lety +5917

    This is disgusting, I can't believe I never noticed this before

  • @adamshay3767
    @adamshay3767 Před 6 lety +3892

    You could also add Jake Peralta from B99 to the list. He's not as nerdy as the males from BBT, and he has stuffed up, but the main difference is that B99 calls attention to it, and doesn't let him get away with his mistakes. Jake learns, and is actually a nerdy guy who's super nice, and pretty much the ideal. He calls out people for their bigotry and apologises when he is called out himself.

  • @stiches6749
    @stiches6749 Před 6 lety +1272

    I work at a comic book store. I don't get any of the blatant sexism, or weird looks. I get more "fake gamer" comments. I am female, I can't also be a nerd... unless I am an UBER NERD who knows ALL the things!

  • @lialia2268
    @lialia2268 Před 2 lety +1025

    I typed in “Big Bang theory cringe” looking to laugh at the bad jokes but this was just… so much worse. As a woman, I’m kind of embarrassed that I didn’t notice the harassment and assault in these shows that star “nerds”. This was very awakening

  • @loonachan
    @loonachan Před 6 lety +5514

    I would never be able to watch enough of the Big Bang Theory to put together a video like this.

  • @TheSummelBaerli
    @TheSummelBaerli Před 6 lety +4056

    Thank you so much for including Ben and Abed as counter examples to how nerds can be written without those awful underlying tones of misogyny! Ben was so supportive of Leslie and their relationship was truly beautiful. And Abed is a bit like Sheldon in the way that they seem to have some sort of autism. But with Abed it is never mean spirited and especially his relationship with Annie was just wonderfully depicted. And when he went too far, he was always called out on his behaviour. Also both Parks&Rec and Community were smart, but also laugh-out-loud comedies which can't be said about TBBT. Thank you so much for this essay!

  • @gweng3858
    @gweng3858 Před 6 lety +2647

    One of my old friends was a nerdy guy, and he tried to date me multiple times. At one point he asked me for nudes while I had a boyfriend then tried to rape me. But when I was angry at him and stopped being friends with him everyone was mad at me cause he didn't know what he was doing. Now whenever any guy tries to touch me in any way I flinch because of him. But everyone said I should have just let him cause he doesn't get much

  • @MetallicAddict15
    @MetallicAddict15 Před 6 lety +7053

    Having watched the first three seasons of TBBT without remembering seeing any blatant misogyny, I went into this video thinking "not another SJW whining about nothing". But wow, did you change my mind. I guess the sexist comments flew under my radar because they're more sprinkled in occasionally and since it's lovable nerds saying it, you don't really pay that much attention to it, but seeing it all in a row now, it's actually quite disturbing. Good job on this video!

  • @cloverbun2574
    @cloverbun2574 Před 6 lety +4163

    Can this guy please make a video about the Breaking Bad community's constant hate toward the main female character because she was 'annoying', while also sympathizing with the male lead because 'he had his reasons'? I feel like he'd hit the nail right on the head.

  • @cristinar9447
    @cristinar9447 Před 6 lety +3018

    "On television men's feelings and bruised egos are nearly always decipted as more important than women's comfort or women's safety" -YES, thank you.
    I'll admit that I've been a big TBBT fan because even though there are many jokes that annoy me (every single storyline regarding Howard's unwillingness to do house chores or the human resources lady to name a few) others really make me laugh. But I'm sure that if I were in a position where I had to face that kind of behaviour in real life I wouldn't find this show funny at all. You've really made me rethink what should be condemned in movies and TV and now I'm going to stop watching.
    Also, this video had me thinking of that quote in The Social Network "you are going to go through life thinking girls don't like you cause you're a nerd. And I want you to know from the bottom of my heart, that that won't be true. It'll be because, you're an asshole."

  • @Cathar5i5
    @Cathar5i5 Před 6 lety +1246

    That's the worst part of nerdy guys turned bullies, they'll always feel like they're the ones being attacked

  • @aniluvswesties
    @aniluvswesties Před 6 lety +3248

    Oh my god. A man who understands how serious sexism is. I love this channel. Thank you so much.

  • @jizzystardust9456
    @jizzystardust9456 Před 3 lety +4490

    It just doesn't hurt women, it hurts us all. Sexism, like all isms are detrimental to the whole society. Btw thanks for making this video.

  • @deseretgear9425
    @deseretgear9425 Před 6 lety +4170

    I loved the analysis on how lampshading doesn't actually fix the problem.
    Also this kind of trope is why I hate characters like mineta from bnha

  • @ene4731
    @ene4731 Před 6 lety +2226

    I know this is besides the point but now I realize why I love Ben Wyatt so much. He manages to be a complete dork with his quirks (like his affinity for calzones) WITHOUT being a creep. He respected Leslie from the moment they began to form a friendship, even poking fun at men who absolutely require their fiances to take their soon-to-be husbands name on the night of his and Leslie's wedding. He's my all time favorite character from anything I've ever seen and I wish more nerdy guy characters could be like him.

  • @sara5angle
    @sara5angle Před rokem +156

    As a woman I never even noticed this which is perhaps worse than noticing it. I’ve become so accustomed to hearing these kinds of things in the real world that I’ve become blind to it.

  • @ak0372
    @ak0372 Před 6 lety +2705

    Fan girls of all things geeky have learned to mask their fandom because of the way male geeks behave towards them. This is spot on.

  • @algi1
    @algi1 Před 6 lety +410

    As someone who, as a kid, was good with computers, has been playing RPGs and video games, I always hated how geeks are depicted in TV and movies. Why can't they just behave normally? Why does expertise or being part of a fandom, or even social awkwardness has to mean they can't behave in a socially accepted way? Seriously, even being socially awkward doesn't mean that a person has to behave in scandallous manner. It mostly just means less social interactions initiated, nothing dramatic.

  • @steampunk5123
    @steampunk5123 Před 6 lety +2705

    Other than Sheldon's casual sexism, none of this ever bothered me that much. What bothered me was that they made the women all "anti geek" how they treated geeky things as stupid. As a geeky girl it bothered me that none of the women (especially the attractive ones) were interested in the same stuff as the guys and would constantly put them down for the stuff they liked. As if only geeky men exist.

  • @Halberd45
    @Halberd45 Před 6 lety +2346

    As a fangirl and nerd it is always disappointing to watch shows where I am automatically othered or treated as fictional.

  • @boudoirmusic
    @boudoirmusic Před 6 lety +3699

    Summed up everything I hate about this show. I love that you show alternative ways to write this character at the end. We do need to retire these tropes.

  • @Elliebellisima
    @Elliebellisima Před 6 lety +2735

    Receipts everywhere.

  • @NickonPlanetRipple
    @NickonPlanetRipple Před 6 lety +5517

    "The trouble isn't with me, it's with your gender." That line says it all, doesn't it? These garbage movies and sitcoms push this idea that the reason these guys can't catch a break isn't because they're total clods with bad (yes, BAD) personalities, but because the women rejecting them are just being unreasonable. Surely, if only these women knew well enough to "get off their high horse" they'd lower their "impossible" standards and settle for these chums because they deserve it somehow. "Nonono, HEEEE shouldn't have to change his behavior at all! He shouldn't be expected to improve himself! It's those nasty women being too demanding! They should be happy just to get the attention!" It paints a hopeless future for geeks by portraying them as incapable of ever "getting the girl" through less than nefarious means. Like there's just NO WAY they could ever get someone interested in them without having to TRICK the girl by appearing to be someone they're not, so $%#& it, right? Then she'll see what she's been missing out on! Blegh. As an autistic person, it also pisses me off that people try to blame the more harmful aspects of characters like Sheldon on his autism, as if he just can't help himself so he should get a free pass. Because hey, if he wasn't autistic he wouldn't act this way, right? I'm sure that's the entire cause of all his many many problems. It just makes people like me look bad. And now they're making an entire series dedicated to his childhood, and whatever made him the way he is. DEAR GOD PLEASE NO.

    • @dragonetafireball
      @dragonetafireball Před 6 lety +333

      Nick on Planet Ripple I have Asperger's but since I'm female no one believes me. And I'm asexual but people think I'm picky and it might be a religious thing.

    • @alarcon99
      @alarcon99 Před 6 lety +153

      Hey Nick? Thank you for your words and restoring a bit of my hope in humanity.

    • @NickonPlanetRipple
      @NickonPlanetRipple Před 6 lety +338

      "it's okay to be asexual as long as you still have sex and aren't sex-repulsed" Yeah, that line was clearly written by someone who isn't ace. It just panders to non-ace peoples' insecurities. Nobody likes the idea of a partner being physically "repulsed" by them. It's a reversal of "You just want me for my body." In this case it's like "You only like me for my mind!" I'm not ace, so I... don't feel I have the standing to say any more about ace peoples' experiences. But I will say autistic characters being ace a lot of the time is just creating another stereotype that autists are inherently asexual beings with no physical desires. It's just used as another way to make us sound like defective, unfeeling robots, to dehumanize us and justify treating us badly. I'm not saying that doesn't happen to ace people, just to be clear, but it's so easy to compound it with autism as if they're two symptoms of the same "sickness." A lot of the time we might just not be open about our sexuality because we don't know how to go about it or if potential partners would even accept us that way, and that anxiety makes it awkward.

    • @Blakmagic88
      @Blakmagic88 Před 6 lety +65

      Nick on Planet Ripple This was a brilliant post!!

    • @NickonPlanetRipple
      @NickonPlanetRipple Před 6 lety +211

      I think it's because most humans are terrified of being alone and the idea of never getting physically intimate is a form of loneliness, like it's a requirement to do it or "You haven't really lived." I think it's mostly an evolutionary thing, that mammals are built to seek physical contact in various forms. It's why animals love being petted or nuzzling each other. It's not strictly a sexual thing, just something that incentivizes some mammals to form groups, and we're very social animals. But us humans... we just have weird hangups those other animals don't.
      And ooooohhh you bet we are infantilized. I'm sure you've noticed in most of these stories, there's ONE SPECIAL THING the character is really good at or knowledgeable of, but they're completely incapable when it comes to everything else. It's a cute basic story where they get to show everyone what they're made of, but it's so played out and overdone it's become the face of autism. People expect us to have some secret super power and act disappointed when they find out we don't. It's like "Oh sure, Timmy may be a screw up in general, but at least he can count faster than a computer! THAT'S where his value comes from! It's his redeeming quality!" basically it makes it look like that's all we're good for, and if we don't have a talent or quirk like that to make us stand out, we're worthless to society. Just a useless lump that can't even do the one special magic trick right.
      Another thing is we're usually portrayed as... weirdly angelic. It's not very often you see an autistic character who's realistically capable of being an asshole, and the times you DO see an autistic jerk, it's someone like Sheldon. Clumsy portrayals such as these just make it look like those bad qualities come from the autism, like he's only a jerk because he's atypical.

  • @divyaa4459
    @divyaa4459 Před 9 měsíci +290

    The fact that they made penny apologize was disgusting.

  • @Sara-mg3cg
    @Sara-mg3cg Před 5 lety +1715

    The series is basically r/iamverysmart and r/niceguys combined

  • @Emily-ce7hd
    @Emily-ce7hd Před 6 lety +1229

    I hadn't really watched BBT much before, but I find it interesting that the actress who plays Amy is a very outspoken feminist, speaking about how men should refrain from referring to women as "girls" for example, yet hasn't spoken out about the show.

  • @NotAnotherKuromi
    @NotAnotherKuromi Před 6 lety +1029

    I was never confused as to how Raj & Howard didn't manage to get girlfriends but how the heck they managed to get any girl to like them considering their behaviour, attitudes & apparent unwillingness to change.

  • @nishattasnim6337
    @nishattasnim6337 Před 2 lety +442

    I don't know if you all remember the time when penny had to apologise to howard because she protested against Howard's misbehaviour towards her. I really didn't understand what was the writer eating before writing this script. Lol. Total hypocrisy.

  • @Tianyulong
    @Tianyulong Před 6 lety +3080

    Jesus, I'd heard "Revenge Of The Nerds" was bad, but I didn't realise it was that bad. Ewww

  • @AMoniqueOcampo
    @AMoniqueOcampo Před 6 lety +1229

    I hate BBT so much. There is a way to do nerdy comedy without everyone being stereotypes. Thank you for making this video.

    • @Zukooooooooo
      @Zukooooooooo Před 6 lety +83

      but like, the sexism too. like the point of this video isnt that tbbt is bad because they're stereotypical nerds, it's bad because they're raging misogynists

    • @youtube79z
      @youtube79z Před 6 lety +149

      Stereotypes make the writers jobs easier. Millions tune in to lazy written show, there is no incentive for them to change.

    • @Greymetaphor
      @Greymetaphor Před 6 lety +51

      I'm about to say Community as an example but then it's mentioned in the video itself :)

  • @littlemiss_missfit7377
    @littlemiss_missfit7377 Před 6 lety +6835

    I love this video and the issues it represents but I also feel like it would be brushed off as a "feminazi rant" had it been said by a female voice. though I am glad that someone is pointing it out because sexism is a serious problem in most societies that as you said gets brushed off as unimportant even though it is. also this video earned a sub from me good video keep up the good work.

  • @tubes17
    @tubes17 Před 6 lety +1612

    CZcams would not leave me the fuck alone until I watched this.

  • @AGothNamedWednessday
    @AGothNamedWednessday Před 6 lety +1896

    I am very disappointed in myself for not seeing this trope earlier, and excusing real life experiences that are like this in the past. I really wish this was talked about more.

  • @ruddiko
    @ruddiko Před 6 lety +802

    This is so so important and it is important to be said by a man. Men need to teach men that have this behavior that it is not acceptable and you're not less of a man for not being "rapey" or inappropriate. Thank you for this!

    • @ysabellamedrano3360
      @ysabellamedrano3360 Před 6 lety +88

      unfortunately men (and even other women) won't listen to women, so i'm glad that at least someone's talking for us.

    • @nucleusofataco
      @nucleusofataco Před 6 lety +153

      I agree with you BUT start teaching men to listen to women and take them serious in the first place. Sadly, many men only start to listen when it's another man who is teaching them about inappropriate behavior.

    • @Bytheewaay
      @Bytheewaay Před 6 lety +59

      +KT R, I agree with you, in our sexist society we are more inclined to listen to men rather than women, and that's a thing to change. Anyway, I see as very positive that a man is talking about sexism, because it's time we realize that feminism isn't an issue for women only. It tends to pervade its meaning, and men could think that femenism is not their thing and even that feminism is a man vs woman fight.

  • @katiestolealltheunicorns9309

    I also hate the way the women aren't allowed to be interested in 'geeky' media in the same way. There are girls who really love Star Trek (just one tip-of-the-iceberg example) and all sorts of culture that people find nerdy; but even Amy and Bernadette roll their eyes and are like 'stop having fun guys' as though geek culture is only a male thing. I worry that the Big Bang Theory guys would have been gamergaters....

    • @Paulafan5
      @Paulafan5 Před 6 lety +91

      Bernadette isn't a geek and Amy is a scientist. There have been other women into "geeky" media that appeared here and there, but if their love interests were exactly like them, it wouldn't be interesting. It's not "women can't be geeky", it's "opposites attract".

  • @NathanielJordan85
    @NathanielJordan85 Před 6 lety +2454

    This well articulates a lot of what makes me uncomfortable with and contemptuous towards this show.

  • @leahandtabi1
    @leahandtabi1 Před 6 lety +1056

    never liked BBT in the first place and that "penis made of science" comment really solidified it for me

  • @Eilowyn
    @Eilowyn Před 6 lety +1101

    You talked about Abed! I'm so glad! Your examples of positive nerdy masculinity were the perfect counterpoint to the casual misogyny of every scene on TBBT.

    • @Sam-lq7qi
      @Sam-lq7qi Před 6 lety +10

      Me too! I love Abed.

    • @cooperzilkenat3220
      @cooperzilkenat3220 Před 6 lety +105

      The other thing that puts Community streets ahead of tbbt, is that it actually goes deep into references to geeky stuff, rather than saying " wow they like a thing that we said the name of, laugh at them"

    • @CNWhatImSaiyan
      @CNWhatImSaiyan Před 6 lety +40

      "Cool. Cool cool cool."

  • @Citronid2010
    @Citronid2010 Před 6 lety +9592

    Is the first time I watch a video on youtube talking about Misogyny and I am agree with everything, I never had thought about the "adorable nerd" un til today and I am 100% agree. Excellent video!

  • @XPursuitOfEpicnessX
    @XPursuitOfEpicnessX Před 6 lety +1804

    I mean wasn't this writer also the writer of Two and a Half Men? That was pretty damn sexist too, not surprised.

  • @toomuchinformation
    @toomuchinformation Před 3 lety +182

    I never watched the show. I caught small snippets while remote surfing, but I did gauge the racism towards the Indian guy.

  • @yoXneo
    @yoXneo Před 6 lety +3152

    Yes! Completely agree! I'm into geeky stuff, but I've always wondered why so many guys, who want women to like them, start calling girls "fake" for liking what they're into. I never understood it, why would you hate someone for liking the same thing you're into, especially if you're attracted to them?! Why not welcome it and have a good time? That's totally backwards....great video! 🤓

  • @OblivionHelena
    @OblivionHelena Před 6 lety +939

    Oh my God Sheldon calling Marie Curie an "honorary man" had me fucking disgusted.

  • @juliabythebeatles
    @juliabythebeatles Před rokem +170

    There’s so many ‘Leonard’s’ in comedy shows. I didn’t see it before but there’s a lot of male (lead) characters that just straight up bother women into liking them. These ‘nice guys’ also never get put into their place or learn anything from their actions and the women are always seen as the ones being stubborn and complaining. Leonard reminds me of other characters like Ross Geller (Friends) and Ted Mosby (HIMYM)

  • @sparkeythehamster
    @sparkeythehamster Před 6 lety +1391

    I never got the whole "When a girl walks into a comic book shop everyone stares." I've been into the local comic book shop loads of times, I was also President of Video Game Society when I was at University. None of the guys there ever stared at me or treated me any differently to how they treated the other guys there.
    This whole 'Nerd Girl' as sexy thing really doesn't apply to real life, basically all of the time nerdy guys are just more comfortable around you because you all have stuff to talk about that you can all relate to. You form friendships with them, but sexual interest rarely plays into any of it.

  • @fdj4601
    @fdj4601 Před 6 lety +2952

    DRAG👏THEM👏

  • @pombie6377
    @pombie6377 Před 6 lety +1282

    you always find the best ways to explain things i know are sexist but can never put my finger on

  • @JustClaribel
    @JustClaribel Před 6 lety +5519

    Wow I never knew I needed this kind of content

  • @PopCultureDetective
    @PopCultureDetective  Před 6 lety +2705

    There've been dozens of comments left by people saying they agree with my essay but they question the inclusion of the Google Memo clip at the end. James Damore's memo is a bit of slight-of-hand but it is indeed based on sexist assumptions that are not backed up by science. The way he twists and misrepresents gender differences data is subtle to the untrained eye but the huge logical leaps and unfounded conclusions he draws are dangerous. Even the authors of the papers he cites in the memo disagree with his conclusions. You can read about the real science here: www.wired.com/story/the-pernicious-science-of-james-damores-google-memo And more here: medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788

    • @rizandro
      @rizandro Před 6 lety +84

      Great video, but I wish you would have included Moss from the IT Crowd in your last examples, magnificently played by Richard Ayoade. By the way, if you haven´t seen the IT Crowd, go and see it now! Straightaway!

    • @xmarijeeemj
      @xmarijeeemj Před 6 lety +39

      Fucking love the IT crowd!