Has China Won?
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- The geopolitical showdown between the United States and China is both inevitable, and avoidable.
National University of Singapore's Dr. Kishore Mahbubani talks with INET President Rob Johnson about how both countries can learn from their mistakes, prevent unnecessary conflict, and create a stronger world together.
Learn more at mahbubani.net/books/ - Krátké a kreslené filmy
If your plan is to get Americans to think, I can assure you it's a lost cause.
As an american I second this
Couldnt agree more
Nice one
Yes, Americans prefer to bullying others instead of thinking deeply.
Doesn't seem like you're doing much thinking .
"Its not a contest between democracy vs communism, it is plutocracy vs meritocracy" - insightful!
Who made the USA is the monitor of the world . THEY ARE THE pirates who want to interfere in other countries for example blockingin tankers from Iran to Venezuela. Real troublemakers.
How that merit is recognised? By some exam or what? You are too naive to think this man is making sense. China is regimented political system where loyalists are handpicked. Surely, you may find technocrats at the position of power in China, but I am sure you would prefer democracy.
@pproust If you are not inside the CCP, you have no merit, no matter how capable you are, every Chinese know that. meritocracy!? haha. btw, this is from a Chinese.
@@NoBody-oq8nn You got to be top in your schools in order to get promoted in CCP. If you don't want to be a part of CCP, you can still make tons of money with your education and knowledge.
No Body ?????? I am Chinese too. From my personal view, if you want to work for government like being a civil servant, or for jobs that in the system, you better join ccp. If you want to do business it’s ok not to join.
个人看法咯，如果是体制内的工作入党肯定是最好，其它的无所谓啊
The key point of this speech is that Chinese experienced the best 30 years and US keeps telling them to overturn Chinese Communist Party. I don’t know why American politicians can’t see this. The reason is that Americans don’t want to recognize China’s economic success because if they do, American people may start to question their political regime. So it looks to me Americans are not that confident in their system, either. That’s quite understandable. The problem is, no system is perfect. Recognizing other system’s success is the first step to remedy your system’s problems. We all can learn from each other. As much as I have lost confidence in US elementary educational system, I still believe we should combine the two systems and keep the parts that are successful.
The systems aren't that different, the main difference is how power is organized. In America I mean we can freely criticize anything so actually a lot of people want more socialist ideas implemented BUT within the bounds of a democracy. I don't think anyone wants to overthrow the party, but simply that people have more rights and there's less propaganda and less things blocked. Like I'm an American in China now and it's so funny that in the states most foreign students are from China and here you can participate in American society and freely say what you want. But yet I'm in China and people sometimes criticize the US which is okay, but I can't actually say my honest opinion or else I can offend people and get kicked out the country. I also cannot participate in Chinese society, if I get married you can't work on a marriage visa, you are treated differently when it comes to COVID prevention, you can't run a company like a local, sometimes the bank say you can't even get a bank account because they don't want to learn how to actually do things with a passport.
It's like China wants to be in first place but doesn't want to be an international country, but it's like 2022
I also think we should learn from mistakes and implement the successful parts too
just be confident, for both side..... I think US is a great country, so is China. Why cannot recognize both?
Jealousy is another reason for such anti-China stand.
@Ben Twitter and Facebook will tell you differently, you can't have free speech unless it's according to their narrative, anything or anyone that counters their view will get silence or hunted by those followers who love to threaten those who refuse to follow hegemony propaganda.
@@BenJones1127 Yes.It's true.I think China is open in specific fields like tech and economic.In other fields not quite open to foreigners.And I really do think it's better for people to talk about politics freely like it in America than in China.Sometimes there is only one view when it comes to politics and I myself being a Chinese hate it.But this system in China really can unit people better because people's point of view in how this country should be developed is quite similiar due to this kind of "propoganda" in China.It turns out that in this way,China as a country has made some really improvement in tech and economy.And that's what Chinese people really care about.They don't really care about who rules the country,They just care about their lives getting better.And whoever did this will be supported.
BTW have a lot of fun in China.Chinese food are gooood.
I’m not sure if China had wanted to win, but pretty sure that US doesn’t want to lose.
And China can't walk away because there's only one habitable planet. China has to fight the good fight.
Yes make sense. both countries have to fight for their own benefits.
@@catrojana3694 what? China is pumping CO2 into the air and filling the seas with plastic
@@krisinsaigon isn’t everyone’s fault??
@@Aurora-cx3fe it is not everyone Catro Jana is referring to though but China
Appreciate Dr.Kishore Mahabubani's intellectual contribution to the humanity.
asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Indonesia-holds-talks-with-US-to-lure-companies-from-China
@ananaq babata The things he said are ridiculous and his use of statistics is really asinine.
Since I started to use my own head and not listen to the mainstream media now I understand everything was a lie. Amercia went to war against Iraq for false information of WMD, destroyed an entire country. Was it ethical? UK, Australia and many other countries helped US in that crime? Did any country hold US accountable for its action? Nope. Afganishtan, Syria are other examples. US created Taliban during Russia-Afgan war, Osama Bin Laden actually worked for CIA. Decade later US declared war against him. Can anyone tell me US did not go to the middle east for oil? Now China is the major enemy because they are a threat to Amercian superiority. But America has one major weapon that China does not, America owns the world media. They can manipulate the entire world on how to think and what to think. Remember during 2000s every Muslim was seen as terrorists. Now it's China's turn.
@@MrBrightSide77 What a ridiculous comment.to believe your point of view we have to defend Saddam Hussein as an enlightened and constructive ruler. We also have to ignore the history of the middle East and especially the recent history of the middle East. the fact of the matter is whether the US got rid of Saddam Hussein for weapons of mass destruction or just to get rid of Saddam Hussein the US did the right thing for the world and for the middle East in the long run.The only reason you've had any liberalization at all in these Muslim countries is because of the interference of the US.
as far as the US opposing China because China threatens the US's superiority that's a ridiculous point on a number of levels. In the first place, China isn't really threatening US superiority. China is much much poorer and much much less technologically adept than the US. Today the US has won 358 Nobel prizes China has won zero. What you are probably referring to like most intellectual cretins is the fact that China's GDP on a purchasing power parity basis is now larger than the US. That's a ridiculous statistic because China has four times the population. Actually the latest opinion says China will pass the US but then later in the century the US again will pass China in terms of total GDP. So your premise is not only an error but it's a sign of your intellectual simple-mindedness and ignorance.
The fact is just like this professor you ignore many many many facts which make data meaningful.for instance his insistence that Asia used to be the largest manufacturer and it's been a historical anomaly that it is no longer so.of course he completely ignores using data on a GDP per capita basis which would totally change both the outlook and interpretation of this data.The fact is India and China used to be the largest manufacturers in the world because they always had the largest population. Through their entire history they were always poor. Real innovation brought by the West and especially by the United States is wealth for the majority of the population.
The fact of the matter is this is not a problem of economics This is a problem of Chinese cultural imperialism and hubris. When we are now seeing since these misguided lectures were given.The US is certainly not the only power opposed to China and anyone who doesn't understand that is either a liar or a fool.
As far as the Iraqis are concerned trundling this out to use it against the US is ludicrous. I am willing to have the US held responsible for Iraq and to have a fair trial where we can really balance the cause and effect of the US invasion if every other country on the planet agrees to have this done to so that their history can be gone over point by point and we can see what the result is.
But here's the results since 1945 when the American era began. In 1945 the planet's population was 1.75 billion today it's 7 and 1/2 billion. Despite that the planet's total worth is up over 500% on a per capita basis with the poorest country seeing the largest gains for instance in China or India.while this is gone on anthropologists tell us that the planet is now again on a per capita basis The most peaceful it's ever been.
The real problem with the world is people like yourselves who are so ignorant and so intellectually vapid that they believe the ridiculous undoubtedly paid for by the Chinese garbage this Indian charlatan is putting out.You're an ignoramus. The Chinese are what they've always been arrogant small subservient yellow dogs who yip at their leaders in a plea to get something thrown to them like a dog biscuit. We have no respect for them in the US and they deserve no respect and in fact that opinion is spreading throughout the world right now.It is nothing to do with control of the press it has to do with superior ideas which after all is what the US is about and why with 4% of the planet's population the US is undoubtedly the most influential productive and intellectually vibrant place on the globe and exactly why the US has its rightful place as leader of the world.In fact many academic studies say that without America and the international systems of trade it's set up since world war II along with the technological prowess it has demonstrated by developing the information age is the only thing that makes it possible for the planet to support the level of population it now has much less at the much higher level standard of living at which it is supported.
@@MostHigh777 wow such a long reply I read 3 lines and did not bother to read the rest because I knew where you are going. Please learn to summarise your points.
America is an open society with a closed mind. China is a closed society with an open mind.
Partly true
@@dionysianapollomarx fuck me mate! most underrated comment!
win ko
Uyghur muslims being abused in re-education camps disagree with you.
@@TXNIZ living evidence to win ko's comment. lol
I like this explanation
Amazing. I feel like my brain just evolved. Will definitely read this book
Tool
Have you read the book since then, or watch other Mr. Mahbubani's speech on youtube? He's a great thinker n scholar.
“I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. Admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another.
When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan concurred China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. But Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire.
Then came the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victory was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium.
After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government:
1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free.
2. Make opium legal in China.
Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French, with supports from the US and Russia from behind, started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor.
In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance(Japan, Russia, Britain, France, USA, Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary). Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris.
In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone.
Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. But Mao’s later reign saw sufferings and deaths from famine and power struggles.
Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his infamous “black-cat and white-cat” story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies has transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. It also signified the death of Communism in actually practice in China. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from.
In just 30 years, the CPC have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height.
For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China.
Everything China does is negatively reported.
They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor.
They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US.
They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per muslim than the US.
When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices:
1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists.
2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes.
China chose 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky.
During the pandemic,
When China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman.
When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers.
When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated.
Western Media always have reasons to bash China.
Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad and dirty things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CPC is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good.
Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world.
They resort to low dirty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars?
When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down.
The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad.
China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not buy looting the world.
I have deep sympathy for China for all the suffering, but now I feel happy for them. China is not rising, they are going back to where they belong. Good luck China.” - Zeis Siez comment from czcams.com/video/9-bXzCpRoNI/video.html
Thank you for telling truth！
Again, those brainwashed western people won't admit the truth.
All of that was thanks to Bill Clinton corrupt administration for admitting China to WTO. Thanks to the wild globalism, where some don't play by the rules and the uninterrupted technology stealing and copying without paying a penny to the rightful owners was the "CCP success" possible. We'll see in the years to come, now that the West is awaken and calls to move away the production and the supply lines are coming from all the parties, but the corporate corrupt and greedy elites.
how about 5G, huh? China “stole” 5G technology from whom? The ‘creative’ US?
Oops, sorry, I forgot there’s NO 5G in the US.
Chinese people are as smart and creative as the rest of the world.
Your insecurity and paranoia issues are not our fault. Don’t judge people with your pathetic narrow-mindedness.
Like it or not, China will rise for sure.
Deal with it.
Nicole Shen wow你怎么能智慧与美貌并存的！
The biggest mistake was the US and the UK did not discuss and plan their economic/political plan in china.
When UK returned HK to China and made China guarantee 50 years of 1 country 2 systems, the hope was that HK under a democratic rule, with Foreign trade with the western nations, HK would prosper disproportionately when compared to the rest of China. This would have created an economic stimulus to the mainland Chinese to want to rise up and demand Democracy and capitalism in the mainland. That was UK's plan.
Somewhere down the line, Greedy US/UK wanted more and more profits for their products globally and they wanted into the china market due to its immense population. But due to the higher education level, cost of living, the higher standard of living in their countries, labor was not cheap. In search of cheap labor they started to outsource manufacturing to CHINA. Which was the biggest mistake that they have ever made. By outsourcing the world's manufacturing to China they fuelled the biggest economic growth in china, outshining HK. That crushed any hope for a democratic revolution.
Now China wants to make its own products and wants to push its own products globally and that is threatening the UK/US's dominance in the global economy undercutting their profits. That's why they are turning on China.
Human right violations, communist governance, blah blah blah all just excuses its all about the money. Don't forget the US sells weapons to Saudi Arabia, a country that executes any citizen that speaks badly about its royal family which ordered the assassination of a Washington Post journalist in another country. The US bombards the middle east every year and kills 10,000 every year, enhanced interrogation techniques (definitely not torture look up "Abu Gharib").
Hong Kong is a global center of finance capital where the average worker is massively exploited, impoverished, and unable to afford adequate housing BECAUSE of capitalism and "democracy" as many say. Meanwhile, China, under the leadership of the CCP, is on the verge of becoming the world's number one economic power ... if it isn't already.
In Hong Kong, as is the case in much of the United States, the poor are the fastest-growing demographic; while China has lifted over 700 million people out of rural serfdom and into relative prosperity over the last 40 years. That's all you need to know.
Well, yes.
So true.
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Good post. 50 cent trolls are working hard for their money these days.
This is what happens when people put profit over their nation. They did any and everything to keep shareholders happy.
The USA outsourced manufacturing to other countries well before it engaged with China.
I’m sorry jimmy but who the hell are you again lmao
WELL SAID !!! Our western, free-market, capitalist system of fiduciary obligation to shareholders needs to be UPGRADED, in order to balance private enterprise value creation with long-term national strategic goals. Otherwise we won't stand a chance against a formidably well-run high tech totalitarian regime like the CCP.
@WikiBlabs Maybe so. Or maybe this Covid nuclear disaster will be a turning point in America's history (for the better).
Money is their father and mother, sold souls,
Really good talk. Informative and unbiased. Focused on the facts, not ideology.
The problem is, is that the presentation of facts leads to certain unsaid implications - well actually, they're said freely here.
There are a number of problems with so-called facts here:
1. Who cares that loosely collected political states that are sometimes semi-united under a dynasty have existed for 3,500 years? In fact, if considering anything, it should be the lifetime of a specific regime, in which case, in the USA we're talking about a 250 year old regime, while in China, we have a 70 year old regime (and you cannot claim a strong continuity between this regime and previous ones without admitting that the CCP is no different from the corrupt plutocracies of old).
2. Henry Kissinger - the person who orchestrated the rise of modern China, is likely not the correct person to ask about whether or not the American government has a plan to deal with China. It is unlikely that the Trump administration would share information with him as their worldviews are diametrically opposed.
3. Characterizing America as a plutocracy and China as a meritocracy is... very cringe.
4. China is still going to be the first country in the world that grows old before it grows rich, and they're not immigration friendly. The end result? Old people will be asked to take one for the team as they were during the Great Leap Forward, after all it is the most ancient of traditions under the current regime that old people take one for the team as they're the least valuable members of society.
5. Looking at the economic growth of a society undergoing industrialization to what happened before it is... stupid. The only credit the CCP deserves here is creating a stable enough society for the trillions of dollars Americans have poured into their country. Fundamentally though, if China was a series of liberal democracy states unified under an EU style major government, then the stability would be even more assured and money would have poured in even faster as there would be few concerns about the state just straight up nationalizing your factories/businesses and stealing your technology, as they have done multiple times to foreign companies. Japan also used a model where American companies had to partner with local companies to pass on expertise, but did not explicitly force knowledge transfer/straight up steal IP.
6. Fundamentally, in any conflict, while an authoritarian regime may have the upper hand initially, the people in a democracy always end up fighting for their freedom, which is more precious than anything else to them, which makes them more able to deal with worse conditions.
7. There's no sense in discussing the USA vs. China alone, as the USA has many allies while China has few. The USA currently surrounds China with geostrategic partners, the world is not stupid, and they remember what Imperialist China's designs are. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, again the Phillippines, Vietnam, India, Australia, Indonesia are all fundamentally onside with the USA, while China has influence in Pakistan, Nepal, and sometimes Thailand. The EU, while despising the Trump administration, will have to side with America when push comes to shove. China has no friends, other than minor countries led by dictators that they've bribed in what is apparently modeled off of the British colonial playbook.
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There are a number of problems with so-called facts here:
1. Who cares that loosely collected political states that are sometimes semi-united under a dynasty have existed for 3,500 years? In fact, if considering anything, it should be the lifetime of a specific regime, in which case, in the USA we're talking about a 250 year old regime, while in China, we have a 70 year old regime (and you cannot claim a strong continuity between this regime and previous ones without admitting that the CCP is no different from the corrupt plutocracies of old).
You’re speaking of governance and completely ignoring the cultural factor. Chinese people have lived in China for over 5,000 years and yes, while the way of rule has changed over the years, the culture has by and large stayed the same. The continuity is not about governance, its about the people’s way of life. Modern day America (after the genocide of natives) was born only 250 years ago. The way of life, at most, was established when the Europeans landed in America say, 400 years ago.
2. Henry Kissinger - the person who orchestrated the rise of modern China, is likely not the correct person to ask about whether or not the American government has a plan to deal with China. It is unlikely that the Trump administration would share information with him as their worldviews are diametrically opposed.
Henry Kissinger is a respected person with an opinion that holds weight. Yes, he may not be connected with the Trump administration but he and everyone else can see that there is no long term plan to deal with China. In fact, it’s quite hard for America to have any long term plans since government can change every 4 years at minimum, 8 at maximum.
3. Characterizing America as a plutocracy and China as a meritocracy is... very cringe.
How is it cringe? Just because you say it is? Do you know how China’s political system even works? Look up Eric X Li’s TED talk on China’s political system and learn it. Also, America being a plutocracy I don’t think is news to anyone when you consider the power of lobbyists in the US.
4. China is still going to be the first country in the world that grows old before it grows rich, and they're not immigration friendly. The end result? Old people will be asked to take one for the team as they were during the Great Leap Forward, after all it is the most ancient of traditions under the current regime that old people take one for the team as they're the least valuable members of society.
What are you even talking about here? The only statement I can agree with is that China is not as immigration friendly as other countries, that’s true. Filial piety is a VERY important part of Chinese culture, and we always pay respect to our elders and history. In contrast, there are many Americans who outwardly state they’d happily sacrifice their grandparents to go dine indoors during the pandemic.
5. Looking at the economic growth of a society undergoing industrialization to what happened before it is... stupid. The only credit the CCP deserves here is creating a stable enough society for the trillions of dollars Americans have poured into their country. Fundamentally though, if China was a series of liberal democracy states unified under an EU style major government, then the stability would be even more assured and money would have poured in even faster as there would be few concerns about the state just straight up nationalizing your factories/businesses and stealing your technology, as they have done multiple times to foreign companies. Japan also used a model where American companies had to partner with local companies to pass on expertise, but did not explicitly force knowledge transfer/straight up steal IP.
You start out your comment by saying that it’s stupid because you think it is, and then don’t back it up. China has grown by opening up it’s economy to capitalism, but done in a “Chinese” way which is to strike a balance between pure capitalism and socialist values. The Chinese government said to US businesses “If you want to partner with us and use our labour force to create goods for your market, then you will need to share your technology and processes with us”. And many US businesses were willing to do so because it created ENORMOUS wealth for them by lowering labour costs. At the same time, China gets the benefit of learning from US technology to grow its own capabilities. It’s a win-win situation for both parties. Now China is on the rise and Americans are backtracking saying that the IP was “stolen”? C’mon.
6. Fundamentally, in any conflict, while an authoritarian regime may have the upper hand initially, the people in a democracy always end up fighting for their freedom, which is more precious than anything else to them, which makes them more able to deal with worse conditions.
In the western way of thinking yes, you are right. However, Chinese people are different. The values of absolute “freedom” in China are not as important as other things, such as “safety” and “growing prosperity”. The Chinese people have seen their standards of living increase exponentially in the last 30 years, which is way more important to them than “free speech” for example. It’s “fundamentally” incorrect to use your western way of thinking and assume that Chinese people hold the same values in priority order.
7. There's no sense in discussing the USA vs. China alone, as the USA has many allies while China has few. The USA currently surrounds China with geostrategic partners, the world is not stupid, and they remember what Imperialist China's designs are. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, again the Phillippines, Vietnam, India, Australia, Indonesia are all fundamentally onside with the USA, while China has influence in Pakistan, Nepal, and sometimes Thailand. The EU, while despising the Trump administration, will have to side with America when push comes to shove. China has no friends, other than minor countries led by dictators that they've bribed in what is apparently modeled off of the British colonial playbook.
The conversation is about the two largest economies and most powerful countries of the world and their relationship. If their relationship is good, then the world at large will be in a better place. If their relationship is rocky, then the world will be in a less fortunate situation. Also, what do you mean by “imperialist” China? China has looked the same for millennia, very rarely looking outside its borders and claiming land like western colonialists have done for the last 500 years. If China wanted to, during many different periods in the last 1000 years, they could have taken over all of those allied countries that surround it. Chinese people want to live peacefully, engage in trade with the world, and bring on prosperity in a win-win fashion. If you can get your head around that, then maybe you can even start to understand what this entire video is all about.
@Abiril the Archer How many allies does US have that's not colonies vs China have? FYI US doesn't have that many allies in the world, of 190+ countries maybe a dozen is considered "allies" but most are forced to obey or be killed. Whereas the Chinese build friendship "allies" through business means, and never interfered with their politics.
A dozen or so of countries that obeys US command are not allies, true allies are those that backs them even without benefits. Likewise the Chinese and Russian is truly showing their alliance whereas US shows his alliance by throwing them under the bus whenever convenient.
Haters please listen till the end before making convenient accusations n hatred. You may enrich your knowledge and not humiliate yourself further.
LMFAO
@Lutz Bammer 是一个反共的机器人。我见过这个机器人很多次了
No.
@Lutz Bammer I'm from Europe as well, and I hope we'll stop following the US's decisions ASAP. We don't want to be dragged down with them
@@coy1987 Well, the globalized system is what keeps prices of goods low in the western world. Would you rather have a minimum-wage job and much higher prices on everything? Or would you want a chance to get a medium-paying job with low prices?
You have to understand how people from developing nations envy your position, and how they would make their lives better if they have the resources you join today. According to Western capitalism, you should be questioning yourself about why you feel that your jobs are getting stolen, not others who try harder than you why they got the job.
"beware of the military industrial complex" - January 17, 1961, Dwight D. Eisenhower
Dwight would have argued to keep China a low value producer like Bangladesh. China in its present form has only been around since 1948- China is dominated by crony capitalism and communism both are western imports.
Communists don't like the free world defending itself. Communists like to conquer defenceless sitting ducks.
Håkon Helgesen ; Find me a real commie in China pls. We Chinese abhor war. But u surround us with 300 military bases, cannot we defend ourselves? Pls don’t demonise us. We will never roll over to d US military industrial complex!
Use it to contain the Dragon !
A book The world without Islam. War has nothing to do with religion or idealism but mostly about resources.
as a Chinese living abroad, the education level of the locals always surprise me, not only science but also politics and philosophy. with the low value provided, they want to be paid high or rather taking the pension. the simple solution is to let them realize: the competition is global, get more education or just work harder. talk less, do more.
Couldn't agree more
Chinese here also. The first Americans used to be like that when they were immigrants. Now they are just a bunch of whiners.
This is a very condescending argument. You are abroad so you are most likely very highly educated. And you are comparing yourself to the average people? Congrats!
The average Chinese person knows next to nothing about anything, let alone politics or philosophy. The education system in China has nothing to do with education, it's indoctrination to party loyalty pure and simple.
@@zootsoot2006 so china climbed to this position with these people? your saying can't even convince yourself.
He is absolutely right. Aircraft carriers no longer makes any sense, they cost billions of dollars to maintain and can be sunk with a few missiles. The weapons that work best nowadays isn't a carrier but weapons that are mobile and agile. We're talking about automated drones, robots, ai controlled defense systems, etc. America needs to factor in asymmetric warfare in it's calculations. I agree dumping $850 billion a year into military no longer makes any sense. The US military budget needs to cut in half and use the savings in R&D or improving the economy especially now that over 40 million people are now jobless.
China’s Budget in military isn’t less than America. China citizen can survive with less than $150 a month, can American?
@@tanjayy6708 To be fair, in absolute terms, it is less than America, by A LOT, and still less than America in percentage terms. Also, living costs vary from city to city. Living costs in Beijing, Shanghai or Shenzhen can be just as expensive as in London, New York, Seoul, Tokyo or Hongkong, so that 150 dollars a month is not really true, but I get what you mean.
Tan Jayy China Tier 1/2 cities urban gdp is $22,000. Rural area gdp still stuck at $12,000. Income inequality much? 100M migrant workers already jobless. Xi got too arrogant building up military and wasting $1 trillion dollars on wasteful neocolonialism projects. Xi is a failure. We don’t hate China but we hate the CCP. Chinese lao pai xing needs to rise up against the CCP elites that prey on the Chinese people.
@@twomix1822 LMAO, save America from Trump first. Thank you. The amount of wealth controlled by the top 1 percent in American has risen how much in the past 20 years? In your logic, the GDP of Alaska should totally match or even surpass the GDP of California right?
Andy Sui People are rising up against Trump and the American oligarchs. He will be gone soon enough because democratic systems allows the people to decide. People protest because we have the power to do so. Do the Chinese people have the balls to rise up against the CCP oligarchs? Do the Chinese lao pai xing have the balls to take destiny into their own hands and decide their own future? Or are you going to just play victim card forever? End the global oligarchy (the CCP is part of that oligarchy). You can see the hypocrisy right? All the top CCP politburo has their assets hidden in the US and elsewhere around the world.
Jimmy Carter referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”
“It’s more than you can imagine,” Carter said of U.S. war spending. “China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us. In almost every way.”
China’s peace dividend has allowed and enhanced its economic growth, Carter said. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. China has around 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of high speed rail lines while the US has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. According to a November 2018 study by Brown University’s Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs, the US has spent $5.9 trillion waging war in Iraq.
The u.s.a military industrial complex has been a horrible investment. Schools over aircraft carriers
Threatening and Killing is an ugly and powerful way of making big money...that is the USA way..
Remember back in the 20th Century, when WE were talking about a "Peace Dividend"? It was a short but happy time. Well, we got over it!
@@MandarinFan Except those "big money" never get into the hands of the Average Joe, or even the US government. They are pocketed by businessmen who store it offshore and never invest into the nation.
@@ElBandito perfect obersavation. The average joe better put down those bizman and gov, take back what belonged to JOEs, the rest of world be be so grateful to JOEs as well..
Very intelligent professor I have ever seen! Hopefully we can see more of your videos.
Indeed
That is EXACTLY what my Chinese GF says again & again to me. "America keeps saying Chinese Government is bad & so on....but we Chinese in mainland really enjoy our lives. We respect our leaders & we have good lives, so why should we listen & believe what America says about our government???"😂😂😂
Except that China is bullying it's neighbors and exploit human rights in minority population to achieve that
J L Have you ever been to China yourself ?? If you have....which part of China ??
@J L woo~ very insightful must be truth, internet is 100% trust worthy believe what you will 👍👍
J L Have you ever been to China yourself ?? Very simple question to answer. If you have....which part of China ??
utolife jill Many people never been to China themselves but they talk like China experts 😂😂😂
Very exhilarating interview, he’s right despite the fact that a lot of people don’t want to admit it. Hopefully this country takes a closer look and finds a real way to step our game up because what happened to the USSR isn’t gonna happen to China.
Scholars in Singapore are very rational and objective, and look at issues from the neutral perspective of China and the United States, which is more rational and objective than American scholars. What a ludicrous logic is it for a declining power to point the way to a thriving power, to turn the rising country against the government and to learn how they are in decline?
Yeah. In singapore logic and truth is placed above all else. Right is might. To the point that it can be too cold as we are ultimately still humans
@@LooNciFeRx. You ought to win the Nobel Prize for being a human who has achieved the success of how to live sustainably as a fern.
Great talk. USA used to have great respect from ordinary Chinese people, their advanced technology, the democracy system, the high living standard. There was an America Dream in ordinary chinese people too, but is replaced by a new Chinese dream. The nice figure of USA when she still has the confidence and moral is fading out. It's hard to say who will win, but USA is failing to lead the world.
neither is china showing great leadership...why are they behaving badly with australia.
They are only leading a global cry for a genuine inquiry into a pandemic that has has affected the world economy. Nobody is talking about origins but why did china not put brakes on departure of their people from Wuhan---5 million left ...that has caused a spread worldwide. China behaved irresponsibly and as a result that has created distrust of China internationally. It will have long term effects on their economy as the community worldwide will look for alternative manufacturing partners with time.
@@vijayadewan7065 I THINK china does not want to lead too, you may draw you own conclusion. If you notice the behave of china on many subjects, you may see a pattern that china (people and CCP) will not allow any investigation if they feel conclusion is already drawn before hand or being targeted. A similar investigation was proposed in WHA meeting and backed by China too. The world may get divided, and some will look for alternative from China, some from USA. For long term, it's hard to predict, I would put my money on professor Kishore.
Vijaya Dewan Australia? Because Australia did it first to China. Why cant China retaliate? Countries are just like people. You do me wrong and I’ll let you have it
@@user-jy2lz9rc2n Do you mean WHO?? Most people do not believe or trust the WHO very much...their job is to have their ear to the ground and be able to read signs...they failed to do so and even said it was safe for countries not to close their borders to traffic from china...to me as an objective outsider and no allegiance to either side
if there is nothing to hide its best to co-operate and resolve matters amicably rather than refuse co-operation.
At Who China did not have a choice other than to back the inquiry as it was already backed by over 100 countries.
@@willw8072 so as long as we continue to have a policy of retaliation globally .. we will all end up in a mess...I prefer the method of dialogue to resolve matters.
If arrogance leads downfall follows .
Love seeing some genuine and intelligent interviewer conducting it, unlike most of the western media which is full of assertiveness and aggression
China is also assertive and aggressive in its media.
@@arraikcruor6407 . It is being reactive to Western media's agressiveness in the first place. The Wetsern MSM is guilty of ultra agressiveness by being responsible for many manufactured fake news to incite hate and cause division amongst peoples and nations as a form of weapon to maintain the West's hegemony on the world. That is contrary to democracy. Hence, the protagonists in this unnecessary geopolitical contests is most on the part of the US, and China is also responsible but in the role of being reactive to it. IMO, the US is the initiator and China is the reactor to this lose-lose conflict that will cause great sorrow to all of humanity in the 21st Century. Hostory will record this as the bane of the 21st C. But history continues....
I was much more interested by his point of view on US budget managenent and the inherent flaws in its political system.
The US seems to be stuck 50 years in the past when military might made right, spending billions in foreign military bases and installations in the interest of the big-wigs of the military industrial complex and fossil fuel industries.
President Trump stopped the Works of the Cowardly Democrats and has rebuilt our Military overnight!
@jimcoulter5877 overnight, yeah right.
We hurt ourselves here in the US. Jimmy Carter is right.
Refined Hayseed Appalachian, so jimmy carter and Jesse Jackson were right. And Ronald Reagan wrong? Americans made their beds....
India goverment should ask him to be advisor of their country
Hell no. India wants to stay sovereign and not be taken over by the CCP.
@@katherinec409 CCP is now operating as a group of gangsters/Triads. Dr Kishore Mahbubani mind is too simple sometimes naive.
@@cheetaih - You are so right. The CCP is a scourge on the world - on people, animals, and all of nature. They are lawless, defiant, destructive and dangerous. They must go.
Katherine C China never intended to take India, it's a shit swamp swarmed with refugees due to their poor organization government.
@@katherinec409 India is a shithole anyways. Had British not ruled India for 200 years India would have no railways, roads and education. Thank British that you are a large country now because before British went there, Indian subcontinent was divided into many smaller kingdoms.
He knows us well, this is the guy we cannot underestimate.
Many Americans’ impression of China is not a result of thinking, but an emotion.
Because the US government and media are intensifying this sentiment every day, many people are full of suffering in their lives. They need to vent their targets and reasons. China has become the target.
Emotions are very communicative, so most people in the United States are reluctant to contact a video like this, because it is always easier to blame others than to reflect on yourself.
Thinking about problems is always harder than venting emotions.
To this day, I feel that it is impossible to change the trend of the times, and there may be a war between China and the United States.
Maybe Americans don’t understand the differences in culture and political system, but it’s impossible for American political elites not to understand.
There is no perfect political system in this world, only a more appropriate political system.
Countries that the United States strongly resents generally involve interest pulls. If interest does not exist, many disputes, slanders, and anger will not exist.
Spot on!
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Very interesting talk. I've lived in China for over 10 years, and it's been an amazing experience. When you move to such a vastly different culture, you realise that the "normal" standards and social rules that have been carved into your character are not necessarily right. Many people can't deal with that. It angers those that are too dim to see beyond their programming. I wish there were more unbiased intelligent talks like this on YT.
Cosmic, you sound double talking. You should leave China. That marvellous place is not for ingrates like you, unless I read you wrongly.
Chinese citizens are the ones that are programmed... they love the fascist boots crushing their throats.
Chinese citizens are the ones that are programmed... they love the fascist boots crushing their throats.
@@Big-Government-Is-The-ProblemAmerica’s billionaires flew far ahead financially even as the rest of America was locked down during the first two months of the coronavirus pandemic, a new report by Americans for Tax Fairness (ATF) and the Institute for Policy Studies - Program on Inequality (IPS) shows.
Between March 18-the rough start date of the pandemic shutdown, when most federal and state economic restrictions were in place-and May 19, the total net worth of the 600-plus U.S. billionaires jumped by $434 billion or 15%, based on the group’s analysis of Forbes data. The billionaires’ worth rose from $2.948 trillion to $3.382 trillion. They make the ordinary americans look like sucker. Wherea in China, the ordinary people are much better and well off. Whoever rules, rule for the people, call it whatever, the people benefit. Those who aspire decadence democratic system which cannot bring food on the table, let them be. Its their choice, stupid or otherwise.
@@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem If I am a Chinese, I rather be programmed and live happily, then having freedom but with all the miseries.
As a British Chinese person, this video hits the nail right on the head between the differences. Let us not argue over differences but understand each other's perspective.
Tell me the perspectives.....every illegal and inhumane act is being done by the CCP gana. Death to CCP and its supporters.
@@abhinav.mishra17 Death to supporters? Are you Fascist?
Mchan TV Not sure if he is, but Xi Jinping most definitely has fascistic tendencies. Just ask a Uighur.
@@bidenator9760 Uighur's are a muslim ethnic group, ask Trump, Obama and Bush how their party in the middle east has been
"British Chinese", no sir, you are either British or Chinese, you can not hold allegiance to two VERY different countries.
This should be news ! Not the fake news we watch daily ! This is real talk !
USA 🇺🇸
USA Custom: why you come to the USA?
Chinese Traveller: I'm here to learn the brainwash techniques.
USA Custom: We Americans will never brainwash our own people.
Chinese Traveller: Yeah! That's exactly what I want to learn!!
When democracy become a religion
@@seriesblack9450 stupid people worship their leaders are making political parties and ideology become religion. Just like North Korea and China. When their leaders are super intelligent, untouchable, just like saint in any religion.
@@seriesblack9450 只有那些把政治领导人看成神一样的卫大才是真的愚蠢，真的变成了宗教。是谁，是毛泽东，是金正恩，金日成，。。。。都是共产主义 教。。。
brain wash is possible only if the person can't hear any other voices but yours, when a government controls the media, communication, information, then this government is intended to create stupid citizens like North Korea, and China(much better than North Korea but still under control, 可管可控）People there are made to believe the lies of the government propaganda agency 宣传部，and they really believe on it, ,,,,what a poor people.
@@user-canonlight 被洗脑了就是脑残，没有能力用道理辩论，只会用粗口，谎言，废话来安委自己，摧眠自己。这就是中共。。。厉害啦中共。。。
Imagine a nation being SO powerful that their internal affair can cause international warfare.
Nobody would imagine France launching a war in middle east just to distract its internal mess or electory campaign, but for America? It's totally possible.
A brilliant discussion that compelled me to think again in a different dimension. Thanks
The problem was made by the UK, when they were in charge of the HK regime, they didn't practice the so called freedom and democracy. In stead, UK was doing colonism. Colony means the UK people in HK were higher class than the Chinese. Freedom and democracy, both such concepts were 2 seperate jokes or fair tales in the past HK before 1997.
Yea but when they leave suddently they want democracy in HK lol. Do as I say but dont do what I do.
@@nsebast really suspicious ain't it
Ultimately the problem in Hong Kong is
related to the rule of Law.
Hong Kong did well when it was controlled by the UK because of the rule of Law.
I am from Australia and we were once a colony of the UK, however their Queen is still our head of state!
Many English still believe they have some Political power over Australia but the reality is they have none!
The current arrangement will soon come to an end and we will have our own head of state.
What we have gained from the UK is their legal system, “common law”!
People who live in Authoritarian countries often don’t understand what the rule of Law is.
I have had this conversation with many and their answer usually is something like, “we too have the rule of law, we have lots of laws!”
The rule of Law is when the Law is applied equally to the Prime Minister and the Beggar in the street!
The rule of Law is always under threat in the west, but it is still functioning and it is usually fair.
@@er6nthailand dream on!!! google Texas Affluenza kid and google Catholic sex abuse !! rule of law is just an illusion applied to the poor and not powerful. From what I heard from you, you are not the rich one! Unfortunately, you are under the illusion of the existence of the rule of law!! Hope I don't wake you up from your dream
Howdy enkii82, interesting stuff. I really wish I could complain about having Affluenza.
Maybe one day.
The American system is certainly more open to corruption then in Australia, for a number of reason but mainly due to the political nature of their Law enforcement.
However in the case of the Affluenza kid, he still ended up in jail, not only that, the authorities chased him to another country.
The rule of Law is always under attack in the west. There will always be people who try and work the system. However it is still the best system there is, by far!
We recently had an Australian catholic cardinal be prosecuted for child abuse.
He was convicted and put in jail.
There was no evidence against him except one witness who said the Cardinal molested him 30 years ago.
The witness was unsure of the date.
The other witness who was with him at the time was on record of denying what happened.
There was a bunch of circumstantial evidence which should of exonerated the Cardinal.
He was found guilty, and on appeal to the Victorian Supreme court he was found guilty again.
He then appealed to the High Court of Australia and the judgement against him was unanimously thrown out, as it should of been.
This case illustrates how The Rule of Law is under threat in Australia.
Our Universities like the ones n the US have become plagued with far left wing educators and consequently they are producing far left wing Lawyers.
There is nothing wrong with having left wing judges{not extremist}, it clearly makes for a better society to live in then the alternative.
The High court of Australia is for the most part left wing yet it has almost unanimously thrown out 18 different judgements by the “Supreme court of Victoria” since Victoria elevated these extreme left wing nuts!
No one will ever know for sure if the Cardinal is completely innocent but the evidence supports his case, and it overwhelmingly throws the guilty verdict in to doubt.
It is likely that an innocent man went to jail for being a catholic priest.
So there are definitely problems in the west however China’s system is a complete farce!
People are arbitrarily rounded up and imprisoned for nothing of consequence.
They then face a court ruling and a judgement by a judge that mainly depends upon what side of the bed he or she woke up on.
This is why more than a million Chinese Hong Kong people protested the law change allowing the main land to arrest people and prosecute them in a main land court.
Chinese people tend to be conservative, polite and hardworking people. They love owning businesses and putting everything into them. It was clearly an amazing turn out for a city like Hong Kong considering the type of people who live there.
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471
www.cbsnews.com/news/hong-kong-protests-1-7-million-protesters-march-victoria-park-latest-updates-today-2019-08-18/
wow that was a really great interview! What a great analysis (and not a politically-sided talk). Thanks!
To say that the USA goes into conflicts half cocked with nations is fairly generous. Just look at our history for the past 30 years and that is all that has been done. It’s as if the USA is just intent on supporting the industrial side of the military complex with no intention of anything but. Just look at the unresolved messes that exist, the unprecedented spending that continues. And look up that word he use: plutocracy, while your at it.
those who control
EurAsia
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So it's I.M.P.E.R.A.T.I.V.E
that no EurAsian challenger emerges capable of dominating EurAsia and thus of also challenging America
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Right on the dot , very well explained. You should create your CZcams channel about this , great job ..
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those who control
EurAsia
control the world
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john halford mackinder
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Geo Strategy came from this:
It's I.M.P.E.R.A.T.I.V.E
that no EurAsian challenger emerges capable of dominating EurAsia and thus of also challenging America
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Zbignew Brzezinski
@Jennifer Dugert Where did the world get most its technology for the past century? Its music and film? A great deal of its food?
Who are we at war with now? If small nations beg for help against aggressors, is it noble to abandon them? Look at the comments under South China Sea stories: even the Vietnamese are asking us to make China back off.
The overuse of the military by politicians like Bush and Obama does not make a weak USA good for anyone.
@Jennifer Dugert Not just war, but debt, lies, and corruption. America is a plutocratic cancer to the world that needs to be brought to heel. China is the Chemotherapy that shall make it happen.
when asking a Chinese: what do you think of communism? response: What communism?
@ClickNSpam that s racial pride you are talking about.
@ClickNSpam here is why. Everything you just mentioned about for accusation of the chinese doing. We do the same shit if not worse. At the end of the day the fight is always about america bs china not america with china.
@ClickNSpam then live up to the competition.not impossible, just unwilling. People in china got make a living as well that s why it s so competitive over there. No reason the US should just sit back and collect other people s hard work
@ClickNSpam then live up to the competition.not impossible, just unwilling. People in china got make a living as well that s why it s so competitive over there. No reason the US should just sit back and collect other people s hard work
Also learn chinese
"Western democracy is a game for the rich, so don't take it too seriously" - Vladimir Lenin
hahahahahaha stupidn quote from stupid person
How did it turn out for the Soviet Union ? Why is Leningrad now St Petersburg ?
@@imperialseal8155 Ah, the Soviet Union? "National self-determination" is the main cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the innate compromise of Bourgeois Jr. is the premise.
I’m not here to compare the advantages and disadvantages of the system. What I want to say is that for large capital groups, individuals or collectives with personal liberalism are easily defeated and manipulated.
For example, in Eu and US, the labor union represented by the working class is so powerful that the capitalists have desperately accelerated their deindustrialization in their own countries and moved their industries overseas.
I don't care about the world or where it is going, but as far as I am concerned, only the working class led by the CCP is balancing the global capital.
Adel Deba hahaha, stupid comment under form stupid person
@@imperialseal8155 because Gorbachev is too dumb to be a leader of such a great country
Honestly speaking, I don’t like the title of this book. “Has China Won?” Sounds totally like those kind of click-baiting “best seller” books.
I watched the whole video and generally agree with what the author said about China. BUT, as a Chinese, I have to say what he said is something most common Chinese have been aware of for years. From Chinese perspective, nothing is insightful or impressive in this conversation. It’s just something commonly recognized. China do has some deeper problems but also needs more deep analysis and intelligence.
On the other side, it’s interesting to see most western commenters cannot even accept these already superficial fact about China. They are still obsessed with topics like human rights or dictatorship, which are too simple. I live in Canada and in local media most of the time when there’s report on China, it’s about politics and usually in hostile attitude and interviewed with non-Chinese . Almost no reports about ordinary life in China. That’s the problem here. You can assume China as opponent but you need to analyze and understand it first. If you don’t respect and pay enough attention to your enemy but just keep mocking him, you lose the vision on what’s happening. There’s large Chinese community in North America and it’s not difficult to find a Chinese and ask how they think. A lot of Chinese immigrants have real working experience in either Chinese government or major companies and their insights can be probably much more valuable than a so-called white professor on political science. Go interview them and learn from them.
That's what media does. Spread propaganda and assume each and every single person of nation because some nut job didn't like what he saw or feel.
The book is named as such as it gets the attention of the people who are the ones who should read the book read it.
丹青 yes, this is a typical marketing tactic. Go to a low-end street side bookstore in China, you can find tons of so-called best seller books with such names, which aims more on sales by spreading emotion and fear. This gives you a feeling the book is less academically reliable.
Well said!
Well... this video is not suppoese to be watched by Chinese. Its supposed to be watched by those are ingnorant about the country
Fascinating stuff!
Can you please enable community contribution for this video so we can add translations.
That’s why many Chinese support Trump. He shall be remembered as the biggest contributor to China’s rise.
Trump really damages them, but US loses more. No winner.
The Chinese support trump because trump led the United States to decline.
Trump has only 3 yrs in office. He is not responsible for America's declining at all. And, to be honest, his predecessor has made much more mistakes concerning foreign policy than him, bringing instability and even leading to wars. American and western societies as whole are degrading to a sort of a new tribalism, this new "progressivism" is a plague that divides and destroys western civilization and it's bases (ethics, religion, patriotism) from inside.
Chinese's rise also is a phenomenon much bigger than an american presidency or whatever. It has much more to do with their own merits, political stability, foreseeing, strategic planning, meritocracy, unity of efforts, and so on. They have finally attained balance after 200 years of extremely troubled times, so now they can develop their potential to the fullest.
Those historical patterns surpass infinitely the power and influence of one american president, for the good and for the bad.
@@FiasaPower
Sure, the problems were already there before his presidency, but he just made the decline even worse.
There are 3 pillars to American dominance: the Dollar, a strong military and a set of values surrounding freedom and democracy.
Trump literally destroyed 1.5 pillar out of 3.
People used to think that USA respects the rule of law and free speech, but now, they see a very disgraceful debate, where one candidate tells the other to shut up. And the other, he used officers to clear house just so he can take photos in front of a church for his own propaganda.
People used to think that America is better than this.
Trump literally showed that he does not care about those values at all. Democracy and free speech has lost its appeal to other countries.
Trump also created a lot of international conflicts, which disturbed the stability of the dollar. A trade war with the second largest economy and picking Iran as a hot spot certainly does not help global trade stability.
In short, Trump destroyed the American image and gave others a reason to not use the dollar.
This isn`t about who started what problem.
This is about the difference between a slow decline (like the UK) vs free falling (USSR).
@@user-nw5te4mo1q "Trump also created a lot of international conflicts, which disturbed the stability of the dollar. A trade war with the second largest economy and picking Iran as a hot spot certainly does not help global trade stability."
But none of them is nowhere near to cause any concrete conflict.
Obama, in his turn, set fire throughout all middle-east with his "arab spring" policy and got a nobel prize in return for this absolute madness. He also let as many open spots as possible to be filled by Vladimir Putin: Lybia, Turkey, Syria, Venezuela, the list goes on...
I'm not talking about appearances and narratives, I'm talking about substance. Chinese are not dumb, they're clever enough to realize this Trump Trade War policy isn't sustainable in the long-run, because chinese and american economies are interdependent. Sooner or later Trump will go, and both countries will stay where they always were.
Donald Trump may not be the "gentleman" people expect from an US President, but international media portraits him much uglier than he actually is. Some traditional branch of american politics advocate America as the "World's Gendarme" - those people inside the Oval Office that concern me, much more than Trump.
The values championed by America and western powers are nothing if they are not firmly based on a particular set of ethics, religious beliefs and philosophy. All of them are being undermined by a bunch of subversive doctrines through decades. The rest is just consequence, not cause. Donald Trump is just a small part of this process.
anyone to say something about his perfect hairstyle?
hahaha.. damn.. thought i was the only vain person here getting distracted by his hair
Why coment by unrelevant words ?? This bad.
We fought too many unnecessary long wars
True and this one will be another. Don't know why Trump just leave China slowly. We in USA need to stop controlling others.
@@WilliamKiene-yg7rq I don't see China sending military power outside they just have it to protect their country. We are the only ones who do that. We need to change the opressor style. Let every country deal with their own internal issues. If we don't like making business there we just leave.
@@WilliamKiene-yg7rq which plan? to spread a flu? Who have low mortality and is making other countries using it against them. I just analyze things. You need to stop bowing down to Trump he just like money.
@@WilliamKiene-yg7rq time will show the true. After 911 no one believe our government.
One of China's main problems -
Vietnam. Isn't that intesting?
Great Interview! Extremely knowledgeable individuals
A wise man deep understanding Chinese culture and history !
Not so good at history of the CCP.
Katherine C and what do you about the CCP?
@@katherinec409 so you just quote ccp and thats it? Whats wrong with ccp? How is trump better?
@@LooNciFeRx - I am sorry for you.
China has brilliant people leading it. Here in the US, business leaders, politicians, entertainers, journalists have all inherited their position and few have the talent that set their parents or grandparents apart from everyone else.
Thanks, excellent discussion 👍
A malay proverb says in a war a winner is reduced to coal whilst a loser is reduced to ashes.ponder on.
That's why Cold War replaced a Hot one.
exactly, there are many more details to this but the key components were covered. good video.
Woah what a good interview :D ... lots of good information. Finally, someone who is talking in an objective way.
It is a fact that average income of the bottom 50% of the US population has been sliding down which has been pointed out by Professor Jeffrey Sachs (Columbia U)many times. This income inequality is a "structural problem" and is the cause of declining life expectancy , rising stress , rising suicide rates etc . The US is the most unequal country compared to other high income countries in Europe. Prof Jeffrey Sachs says this problem is a structural problem and Monetary policy could not solve this problem.
Donald Trump saw that this inequality has caused much dissatisfaction among the population affected by this and took advantage of it with his spin and lies to sway the voters to his side and the rest is history.
If only the US government and US think tanks would listen to learned economists like Jeffrey Sachs, Kishore Mahbubani and Yukon Huang(Sr Fellow at Carnegie Endowment) to name a few and not only one sided views from the hawks in Washington DC. Hopefully the next POTUS will engaged the views of these learned academicians.
I agree. As an African and an outsider, I have always admired how historically in the US political system and bureaucracy the brightest have always been called to solve the nation's problem. In fact, talented individuals who could have gone to the private sector have often chose to serve their country. It appears as that is no longer the case. Sad days for the US republic.
The corporate elite never took in the lesson from the "Killing the goose that laid golden eggs" fable, even though they could live lives that the kings of old could only dream of it's never enough, they have unfillable holes in their souls and think if they could only take a little more from everybody else maybe they'd be satisfied but never are.
That is because population of US risen from 240 mln. to 330 mln for 40 years. It is huge rising! Mostly by migrants
Iya setuju pak Zulkarnaen
"The next POTUS" as if that will actually fix our structural issues. Come on man. And the "best guy" the opposing party to Trump landed on was Biden. The country's corruption can't be fixed by some educated president.
Kishore is the man.
"for the bottom 50% in the US quality of life has been dropping drastically for the last 30 years but in China it has been the best 30 years for the last 3000 years"
"America thinks it's a fight between democracy and communism while in reality it's American plutocracy vs Chinese meritocracy"
Quality of life has improved while the wages have not. And less money might be bad, but it is still not as bad as Chinese fascism. It is an easy choice.
And should I really believe that China is meritocratic? Do you mena Chinese workers that get shitty paid and work long hours most days of the week and still gets not much more than bowl of rice each day?
They work harder than any of us Scandinavians do, but still they make less money in a life time than what we do?
Is that what you call a meritocratic society?
-I think you are full of shit.
@@nattygsbord If I'm right, Qatar has higher per capita gdp than Norway...Is it means Norway is worse than Qatar?
@@user-in5kc9eu8b Norway is a better country in terms of healthcare, education, low crime rates, levels of human happiness, gender equality, freedom of speech, individual freedoms etc.
And I don't give a shit about gdp per capita.
Median income is better measurement in how the average person are doing if you want to look at the standard of living.
Qatar is a shithole. While Norway is a good country to live in.
@@nattygsbord Hi, ideologue. You know nothing about China, step out of your bubble. Income for every Chinese has multiplied over the last decades, do your study before open your mouth.
@@nattygsbord You are being brainwashed by western media.
Chinese need less money to lives twice as good as westerners. The cost of living is much lower. They get paid less but have much more savings (www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/022415/top-10-countries-save-most.asp ) and can afford to buy homes. Just check the stats: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
Westerners are getting poorer and the Chinese are getting richer and better.
What Chinese fascism are you talking about?
Did you forget the US criminal wars (assisted by Europeans)? WMD lies lead to the destruction of Iraq. And then came Libya and then Syria. I am not even talking about Vietnam being sprayed with chemical weapons "agent orange" and launching two nuclear bombs on densely populated areas in Japan.
Look at labour stats in the US 42% of the population makes between 18k to 25k per year.
While The Dragon has grown by leaps and bounds, just interested in having a peaceful and happy living in its courtyard, the young fox on the other side of the mountain feels threatened because of its self inflicted insecurity. Hence the young fox has started thinking and planning to get rid of the Dragon. It's that simple.
True
An interesting thought. While having a geopolitical contest. How one can decide of not stooping so low in terms of cyber warfare,speaking of setting some rules?
The same rules have always became a chain for nations in the actual moment.
LOL we dont manufacture a damn thing here, everything is for profit here, and we havent invested in our public educational system in god knows how long.
So true, the average tuition of a Chinese college student paid is around $3000 in total. Government covered rest. Think about it. Most of them studied in STEM related major. In the other side, most of American graduates are still paying their student debt in their mid 30s...
Yeah Credit, car and student loan all in trillions...
I don't know why goods in USA are that expensive. You guys have some people who don't work, and they can go to factory if medium level salary is possible. I think the question is fundamental education and capitalists.
That explains why you guys elected that illiterate orange bone spur. So sad!
Good point,but you also forget to bring up the fact that The financial services and insurance sector (literally bullshit sectors that mostly extract value from the rest of the economy) have put most Americans in a kind of debt peonage, which IMO will lead to the American market becoming less lucrative and producers divesting from the market and going to quickly growing ones like China, Africa, some parts of Lat Am... regardless of whether the hypothetical clash between China and the United States happens, the US is kinda fucked in the long run.
GOOD talk!
Great thinker. Definitely going to buy your book for my next read.
This is deep. Much respect.
Last I check, a pretty high percentage of the high level Chinese government came from STEM background in term of education. Lot of engineers and project managers. It is also true that they all worked their way up from local level administration. I am really hoping that we here in america gets more STEM in our decision making groups
i m sorry but in my wet land that will happen. america become a superpower in the past because of immigrant educated STEM effort
what is STEM???
@@jiesun8408 science, tech, engineering,mathematics,
Unfortunately CCP ideology surpasses any clear conscience logic from western politicians due to the greed of modern companies weakness to access to mass markets!!!
Xi has a fake PhD.
People sound so smart when they are engaging in hindsight.
The US is in the state of decadence. Period.
Hindsight be damned, myself and many others saw this happening over 20 years ago with the outsourcing of American jobs. Unfortunately the US government and big business worked hand in hand to create larger profits for share holders with a minimal benefit to the quality of life for the majority of Americans. CCP played to the one thing that drives American business and economics, greed.
@@Aramsa-Khan The U.S. is moving into a new era. The future is conservative and increasingly rational. Welcome to the age of Aquarius.
That's why hindsight is always 20/20.
@@justlina2769 Not with the existing system and not the existing breed of useless and hopeless politicians.
thank you for helping us understand.
How lucky is Singapore to have such a wise person
I quote professor Kishore " PLUTOCRACY vs MERITOCRACY"
Americans have but put to sleep more than half a century ago. During this time China with the help of their diaspora have been researching the best alternatives for their society and have come up with a winning solution.
To sum up America predicament I offer this equation
Democracy + Capitalism = Plutocracy
Thanks you for this education. ..appreciate it ..👍
博士的眼光真的很深远，分析问题角度让人大开眼界
This guy is too smart... we need to protect him.
It’s refreshing to listen to reason.
US has no reason and no reasoning, just a bull dozer...
Priority for chinese is Stability of the nation (what chinese want the most)
Priority for American is Free but it is not free when went to hospital it cost you a lot of money
Avarage Haircut in china cost $4 USD, in US its cost $28 USD
@@nur-azhar
Comparison :
if in china you work for 2 USD an hour
an in America you work for 14 USD an hour
and hair cut in china 4 USD
while in US an hair cut will cost you 28 USD
its mean both work for 2 hour to have an hair cut. it is an example. and by the way you have muslim name, please don't be rude.
I wish I could be as smart as this intelligent man!
"Inevitable but avoidable". Interesting choice of words.
Yeah, it is a contradiction and makes no sense.
if you go across the road arbitrarily, you would be hit by vehicle inevitably. just pay your attention to the traffic lights.
@@feihu6094"Arbitrarily." He never said that. A China-US clash is not "arbitrary" , is it?
Shows you the kind of mind we're dealing with here. I imagine he had a 5 minute sit down with Kissinger, he wouldn't waste his time with such a lightweight.
@@zootsoot2006 He is a lightweight in the sense that he states the exact same 500-word case no matter what the setting, no matter what issue is being discussed. And that is the sure sign of a man whose thinking never evolves, never changes. It's the sign of somebody WHO DOES NOT TRY HARD.
Dr. Mahbubani makes a lot of excellent points about the challenges between US and China. He focuses mainly on the deep structures of the political landscape but neglects even deeper issues like geography, population and natural resources.
The reason the United States has such a large naval force has a lot to do with US isolation. Geographically, the US has no neighbors that really challenge its hegemony. In fact, new trade deals have strengthened the ties between US, Canada, and Mexico. China on the other hand faces neighbors all around that are growing more irritated about Chinese expansion. These neighbors include India and Japan, two of the most powerful fighting forces in the world. Japan is augmenting its world class navy with F-35 fighters and India has been preparing its own borders in anticipation for conflict.
China has the largest population in the world but due to the one child policy, it is rapidly aging and is extremely skewed to males. Over the next 30 years, much of the Chinese middle class will need to provide some sort of social security for their elders. Further, having so few females to males will lead to very few children to take care of the next generation. In short, there wont be enough tax payers to support the current Chinese millennial generation. This plus a number of other factors is causing capitol flight as well as intellectual flight from the country.
The US has an abundance of some of the most important natural resources. Oil, natural gas, water, and fertile land for agriculture. Even in a world inching toward renewable energy, wind, solar and hydro-electric power doesn't come close to the energy density of oil and natural gas. Having access to these energies is increasingly important to continue to run the country. Currently, China imports much of its oil form Russia and depends on their cooperation. If Russia starts to have it own conflicts with other countries it could lead to issues in the supply chain.
I still think Dr. Mahbubani brings up some interesting ideas to consider about how the landscape of geopolitical conflict is changing. There are, however, many more facets to consider than the political structure of the US and China.
I agree with you
To answer some of the points that you've raised, as far as trade deals, India and Japan have never been been the focus of trade with China to begin with. Thus the belt and road initiative was started specifically targeting resource rich countries in Africa to build up infrastructure in return for debt which these countries invariably won't be able to pay back and thus will have to be paid in natural resources, or countries that offer a strategic advantage based on its geographic location such as Pakistan to offer a buffer to India. While the lack of resources such as oil and gas is a fact, its been well documented how such problems are ameliorated such as China's relationship with oil rich countries whom do not ally with western world i.e. Iran and Venezuela, coal from N. Korea and Natural gas from Russia. No country in their right mind would depend on 1 country to import resources from. You get the idea. China has also been strategically investing alot of R&D in high density lithium ion battery technology from domestic companies such as BYD, and definitely becoming the dominant force in electric vehicles going forward, so much so that Tesla opened a Shanghai factory.
The 1 child policy is reducing the taxable base of individual earners going forward, thus china has abolished the multi decade law. However you are misguided in believing taxable base is made up solely of individual tax earners and not corporations as well. Never the less china still has 4x the taxable direct labor compared to the U.S. And 2000 years of Confucian ideology pretty much makes taking care of the elderly a duty of a son or daughter. Thus retirement homes/hospice care is much rarer in comparison to the U.S.
The abundance of oil you speak of in the US is trapped in the permian basin in north texas shales which requires massive R&D to pump a mixture of chemicals to loosen the oil and then refine the by product. Thus is only feasible when massive R&D and overhead cost are incurred every time a new well is drilled and operation is only feasible when WTI Crude is trading above the break even point of around $30-35 a barrel. The Saudis and Russia ripped up OPEC output agreement and oil is in free fall. A lot of domestic drilling only operations in the U.S. are now in serious danger of bankruptcy.
I don't think Japan and India have strong fighting force which build their military force just by purchasing not the most advanced weapons.
You have brought up many good points. But I don’t think this 20 min interview can include every details.
WELL PUT
Kishore taught me PLUTOCRACY vs MERITOCRACY. Thank you. I pick Meritocracy anytime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - brilliant meritocrats of China build ghost-cities to fool corrupt plutocrats of the world.
@@AndriyTyurnikov chinese builds ahead....many "ghost cities" are filling up
@@marcs5117 and many - don’t) As substantial share of real estate is a second/third property. It is laughable how people cheer for crazy housing bubble driven by credit and speculation just because it happens in China)
@@AndriyTyurnikov let me guess youre shoesize is higher then your iq?
Search for "Xi Jinping and China's Role in a Shifting World" talk conducted by the KAS Media Programme Asia. Dr Kishore goes into more detail about US/China relationship.
This really is one of the best, most insightful video on the topic... Excellent.
ccp has a new meaning after this conversation: Chinese Civilization Party.
Yes. China has won many points in the global chess game.
Nope
Wow. Such an eloquent man. 🙌🏽
Professor mehbubani is so lucid and full of wisdom
I agree
So informative
The bottom 50% of workers in America have seen their wages go down for several reasons. We allowed our manufacturing jobs to go to China and elsewhere for the cheap labor and lack of environmental laws. We allowed the theft of our trade secrets and intellectual property. We entered one sided business deals that benefited the Chinese more than us. We did not secure our southern border and allowed cheap labor to enter our job market. We kept buying cheap imported goods instead of searching for the Made in the USA label. We should push for the completion of the border wall, cut back our consumption of Chinese goods, and send home to Mexico, and other places, those who entered our country without an invitation. We also should stop immigration for people without any needed skills and means to support themselves. But, at least we have a president who is aware of all this.
i see why america is fucked
just assume all your points are correct, and china is contained, us do no business with china.
what dose it means?
us produce everything by your keyboard?
or us buy everything from others countries with higher prices and lower quality?
do you think you can pay your more expensive medical bills and education bills with your keyboard income?
and americans will follow you to give up their medical service, education and produce they once have?
@@leonardzhou390 We will make it here or do without. Believe me, I know all about Chinese "quality." It sucks.
I.R. Wayright
of course，they are sucks, you distributer only give you cheap one, there are 7b people in this world, china make all kinds produce to fit any quality requirements. ask for your distributor, they earn too much!
if you have chance to travel around take a look to huawei product, they are cheaper and far better than apple’s , both phone, pad and computer.
I.R. Wayright
do you remember news about the fake chinese covid-19 test kit? the latest news is they tested all test kits they have from 4 different countries, chinese one is the best ones. i guess you will only know the previous ones, yes, that’s life, we don’t mind.
There’s no winners at the end of the game of materialistic life. Everything is impermanent including the existence of the universe as we know it. Your ultimate goal should be to seek the eternal bliss, and the only way to do that is to look within
Man you get it. Yes there are no winners, not USA not China. In a way Chinese have lost or at-least the heads leading China have given up their ancient principles - to seek eternal bliss as you rightly put it. I hope humanity realizes this sooner and gives up this mad race to chase the imaginary number on a computer we call GDP.
Karthik C yep exactly my friend. What we are witnessing rn is simply a brew of human suffering and hunger for more materialistic things. If only they were familiar with mediation...
Need to get a copy of that book.
Belt and road initiative, maritime silk road, are brilliant business without the threat by military force👍and the direct pipeline from Russia is great business.
Well yes... for Chinese. I Chinese. Thankyou
@@jarlaxledaerthe4045your thinking is way too simplistic.
@@jarlaxledaerthe4045 really , cant imagine more and more people from 1st world country dont have intelegent to observe, many of them thinks the same as 3rd world countries. 😀😀😀
@@jarlaxledaerthe4045 I do understand the blockade strategy stuff...but will it be used before or after if they clapse the American oil Dollar reserve currency ? I am Canadian so this is beyond my exposure to understand the Pacific theater and the dynamics I quess. The could be blocked from many key shipping routes if USA keeps the traditional allies she has had since WWII .
@@jarlaxledaerthe4045 Really...well you've changed my perspective on that...but if the USD falls as the world reserve currency and is replaced by a CCP Digital Currency that doesn't need to store real dollars that will also charge 8% less banking fees. USD falls as the worlds reserve currency...then I hear USA falls to something like 45th richest nation not the first. China is catching fast...in only 15 from years they seek to pull ahead of the USA USA completely. China's living standard has risen dramatically the last 30 years since being let into the world trade and the Chinese people have had the best 30 years in 3000 years. USA living Standard is going down the past 30 years. I am with you but I am worried about CCP Chinese influences ... i am Canadian after all and they run alot of our milk in Canada now. Argh say I !!
He's such an amazingly speaker.
can i ask a question？why did the professor say china was more often divided than united？ it is not constant with what i have learnt in our chinese history book. is it a mistake？
历史上中国分裂的时间的确是比统一的时间长，觉得统一的时间长可能是一种普遍的错觉吧。若有兴趣可以读一读葛剑雄的《统一与分裂》
The historical record will be changed or interrupted due to the split, so the history of learning has fewer records of the description of the period of the split
wow... speaking truth so clearly and with detail. thank you.
Even though I still believe that China remains an adversary to the values and ideals of the established international order, I still think that Dr Mahbubani is right in saying the most important bilateral relationship of the century can be used to pursue good.
Don't confused "established international order" with international order that is endorsed by the majority of the UN-Assembly member states, in a multi-lateral and multipolar world.
Amazing insight. It is not democracy vs communism but plutocracy vs meritocracy. people like facebook bosses etc are too over paid leaving the rest struggling.
I always admire this gentleman....very good and informative conversation.
America first! America has to be first! That is the problem of this country and the world.
Because nobody is allowed to be better than America.
US is acting like Soviet Union these days
100% agreed🙏
Very insightful analysis. Remember the conflict between the US and China is both inevitable and avoidable. It all depends on the leaders we choose in the U.S and the leaders the CCP selects to run China.
The top 1% of American gets richer n richer even during this pandemic. So the real problem in America is about wealth distribution, which an effective American govt should do
Its the speed of progress that perplexes the West. The last time we witnessed that kind of speed was with Japan. And if Japan is any indication of what the West can expect from China, in the next fifty years China will be the undisputed global leader. A nations progress is motivated by its ordinary citizens collective belief in the abilities of their society and not by some political ideology. The governments role is to simply facilitate the needs of the majority of their citizens before addressing the needs of the minorities and those of the rich. In the West the governments are bent over backwards to facilitate the minorities and the rich at the expense of the majority. In this instance, the Chinese government is acting more democratically than most.
Gold quote "Trade deficit always exists between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who asks a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars?"
The explanation is very in-depth and fantastic.
Also agree never to be the first to attack with a nuclear bomb.