The United States, China, and the Future of the Global Order
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- NEW YORK, March 21, 2024 - Asia Society Policy Institute, in partnership with Perry World House at the University of Pennsylvania, hosts a discussion on the U.S.-China relationship and how it impacts global trends. Speakers include Kishore Mahbubani, 2023-24 Schlager visiting fellow at the University of Pennsylvania's Perry World House; and Orville Schell, Arthur Ross director of the Asia Society’s Center on U.S.-China Relations. Rorry Daniels, managing director of Asia Society Policy Institute, moderates the conversation. (1 hr., 9 min.)
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I am from MELAKA, Malaysia.
Since 15th century China already trade With Melaka. They never conquered us, only trade. BUT the west Portuguese, English and Dutch came with cannons to conquer us and said we belong to them. They each stayed for years.
Actually China has been trading with this region for thousands of years. If you are a history buff you will have to refer to the chinese records to know about this region historic past. Since Melaka was founded only in 1402, a chinese admiral, a trade envoy started to visit Melaka in 1403, a year after its establishment.
Once the Europeans managed to find their way to this region, they started to invade the kingdoms. Except for Siam, all kingdoms in south east asia were conquered by the Europeans.. portuguese, spanish, dutch, french, english, american for more than 400 hundred years.
For centuries, not years.
Ha, ha, ha - the European "founded" Melaka and many other parts of the world. Before them, Melaka in the Malay peninsula was lost, unknown, non-existent (to who, I wonder?}
@@Liboch Malay King of sanatani heritage established his capital in Malacca. CCP has colonial tendency to rewrite history. They are brutal occupiers of Tibet, Yunnan, Uighur and Inner Mongolia. King Camboj established largest hindu temple complex which stand up as historical evidence that zionist CCP does not want to talk about like colonial europeans.
And that is why the west are known as barbarians
Well I am Singaporean..and most older Singaporean with some wisdom...will tell you otherwise. ..we see America as the trouble maker😅😊
And Singaporean are wise enough to not tell Americans in the face, and quite frank to China about their problems, which led to an impression that US is seen as a peace maker in the region.
Yes, evil warmongers
Anglosphere Colonial DNA never dies.
Need to watch iron man. America is like Starks industry, need war to sell swords and shields to make money, not peace
weapon export helps their economy. that is one motive for making troubles worldwide.
Indonesians here, the majority of Indonesians are of the view that any country that becomes a superpower country for Indonesian has no problem, as long as the country is fair and does not create chaos, unfortunately the USA does the opposite.
chinese here(fake). all the chinese are of the view that any country that becomes a weaken country for chinese has no problem, as long as the country is faked and pretended, unfortunately the USA does the opposite.
They did support Suharto!
exactly!
who create chaos in West Papua?
Orville' couldn't let go of the American exceptionalism. He was naïve on world politics thinking that America means the world. Good on Kishore giving him a lecture.
You actually got the point. From the American' perspective, the US is the world, ASEAN is its backyard, and China is threatening its "world order".
So true
Americans talk about issues in China or around China, do you see Chinese talk about Black Lives Matter, Cuba, Mexico?
China is too busy , but not at competing USA
ALL the time
In recent decades, Uncle Sam has devoted too much energy to dealing with the affairs of other countries thousands of miles away, but it has no solution to the problems within the United States (such as outdated infrastructure, drug problems, gun problems, racial issues, and political line issues, medical insurance issues, etc.), the collapse of the United States will start from within.
@@mervynhingIn the news yes, In the FM's press conference, no.
@@snowlee-ml7rr Because it is the United States that is pushing those issues to be greater, like sending congressmen to stand with Hong Kong rioters, funding overseas Uyghur jihadists, arming Taiwanese separatists, encouraging the Philippines to confront China, and blocking the free trade area between China, Japan and South Korea. It's all Pivot to Asia containment.
This is why the United States keeps talking about China, and the United States blames China for its wolf warrior diplomacy. Americans feels angry when they failed to bully China.
The way the United States wants to maintain its hegemony is to trip up its opponents. It's the equivalent of putting nails in Bolt's shoes.
But China still hasn't interfereed in foreign internal affairs on other nations, China does not fund Black Lives Matter, Proud Boys, does not station troops in Cuba, does not encourage Venezuela to threaten the United States, and does not regime-change Mexico to be an anti-American regime.
If the United States can take advantage of China's shortcomings, China will try to improve it. be better yourself to surpass rival.
As a HKer, I’m very happy seeing my country China stands up to challenge the Win/Lose strategy initiated by US. Btw, I’m proud to be a Chinese.
You are not really a HKer.
@@tayan6041well it's none of your business, right? that's what you think a HKer should be....
@@tayan6041 I'm a HKer too and I agree with him
Sorry to say, you are not HKer but a Xianggangren. HKers don’t think like you.
@@user-vf4hj3np8eit’s none of your business neither. Stay away from CZcams.
Thanks for inviting Orville to debate with Kishore. Orville's naive viewpoints have enabled Kishore to bring out the best of his wisdom when responding to ignorance. Answering questions calm and composed.
The best part: 'When 1.4 billion Chinese people decide to become prosperous, nothing can stop them.'
Orville invited Kishore.
Asia Society is Orville's territory
@@thegracienetwork7847 Orville = token nonasian.
@@thegracienetwork7847 Seems like Kishore has made it his territory...
All of the problems expressed by Orville, will go away when the US stays out of it.
smarty
I am from Taiwan. My view is can US stop interfering TW and China. Leave us alone!
no way. US will use any what it can use to prevent China. and obviously, TW is a best tool just like ukarine for RUSSIAN。 As a 新中国er, i kinda feel poor about tw
u think u are the player... buy u re the pawn... no... u are the board.
sorry... truth hurts.
Tsai Ing-wen is like Zelensky of Ukraine being used by US in proxy wars. It will only lead to the destruction of Taiwan and deaths to Taiwanese while US is unscathed thousands of miles away. Please don't be fooled by US. See what has happened to Ukraine. 😢
And foolishly used by US to support their Military Industrial complex through huge military purchases.😮
no way, Taiwan is the best place to counter China now
taiwan problem are mainly from taiwanese , most of the taiwanese younger generation have been brainwashed by their local politician and social media that demonize china
I live in SEA and I actually am rooting for China to win and be equal to USA. USA should not be the making the decision for the world and for us any more. If required, USA should be allowed to fade... I am actually not comfortable with USA... In fact I had never comprehend why gun control is so difficult when tiktok ban can move so fast.....Strict gun control saves lives..their priorities baffles me and I cannot trust a superpower who cannot seems to figure out what is important
Orville can't observe usa backed genoside in Gaza but he is uncomfortable with xi jingping
Yes. I think most people in SEA have the same opinion. IF you follow the US, basically it means you have to live in their shadows and follow their every command to the dot. Failure to do so will result in sanctions, chaos and wars. Is this what most people really want ? I think most don't want that route. It is a BIG BULLY ideology and attitude that does not end well for others. The signs are all over the world.
Westerners have nothing but contempt for SE Asians.
Cannot agree more with you!!
The White elite needs the gun to protect themselves against the Black and Brown people in case there is a riot or anarchy. They have been fearing that dreadful "revenge" scenario since birth. 😁
Kisore is the most sane, just,righteous without bias,partial and an intelligent brave speaker of all times.
As a Singaporean, I am very comfortable to trade with China. Orville, don't put your words in my mouth, and please stay away from destabilizing our regional peace. I want peace and prosperity, that is what China brings to our table.
He can't help himself as a despicable ass full of hubris.
As a Singaporean, I am so proud of my country and so proud of Kishore Mahbubani.
I'm not Singaporean, but, I think SG is a wonderful country as a whole and kishore has demonstrated once again what a pro and an amateur looks like.
Singapore has a lot of brilliant people. My favourite politician and leader is Mr. Lee Kuan Yew.
be warned, usa has increasing influence on sg gov
Sorry, Kishore is the biggest smiling snake.
The USA and the West are not perfect , but China ?
Really??
The scholarship and patience of Kishore put to shame the folly and bias of Orville.
Kishore is wrong in saying that only 12% of western population has a negative opinion of China and the rest of the 88% of the world has a positive opinion of China.
It shows his bias clearly. India alone is a significant population of the world and their opinion of China is even pore negative than America’s, which Kishore conveniently ignores, despite his Indian roots.
Orville alreaddy made up his mind to bash China the moment he sat his pale ass down on that chair.
Is there any evidence to support your view then?
In the eyes of Indonesians and Malaysians, Singapore is a Chinese colony.
If Singapore and China get too close
@@sam123sderok, you can minus another 20 % of that India in that calculation and how much % is that? US math is any good these days? 😅
I am a proud S’porean. Great respect to Mr. Kishore. Next time pls invite someone who is competent or on par with Mr Kishore. Don’t waste his time. Mr. Kishore was calm and took the stage very well. Love his analogy of BOAT. Lastly, I have no problem dealing with China or any country.
If possible，I’d like Dr. Kishore to be the Secretary General of the UN. Perfect fit!
AGREE
Im comfortable with Chinas rise…from the Philippines
There is a rumor going around that U.S. would allow Marcos to access the stolen money and assets that Marcos' father stashed in U.S. if Marcos follows the anti China line. What are the pinoys' views on this?
of course, everyone knows.
Sensible bro 😊
You sure China gonna eat the baby eggs you guys eat at 12 days old eggs 😂😂😂
@@n23404But America is actually really weak. Become a paper tiger. While boasting that they are the most powerful country in the world, they can't solve the drug problem that even the smallest country in the world can solve, and they can only blame others.😂😂😂
We are so proud of Kishore Mahbuhani not only as Singaporeans, but as world citizens.
I am so proud of Singapore who has produced Kishore and Mr Chew of TikTok CEO.
too bad... we SG still have a large numbers like Calvin cheng + Bihari... who are anti-china and muslim ...😂
Kishore say other countries not now dominated by superpowers.... unless that superpower is China or Russia
He is talking like a dick
I am a Singaporean and I am not proud of this person. Please don’t speak for all Singaporeans.
Orville Schell is completely condescending when he speaks of China and Asia overall. He thinks with a 20th century mindset and is ill prepared for dealing with China in the 21st century. He is a caricature of the hot-headed American who acts before he thinks. A complete neocon who is overly confident of America's capabilities because our last wars have been victories against Iraq and Afghanistan. He should review America's massive failures in Asia during the Vietnam and Korean conflicts. I'm heartened to hear diplomats like Mr. Mahbubani who are much calmer and thoughtful in their speech. China is on the rise and there's not much America or the West can do about it.
看了大家的评论，作为中国人，非常感谢大家对中国的理解和支持。
天下苦美久矣！
我是来自新加坡🇸🇬，可是祖先来自中国 🇨🇳。 世界和平，世界不要战争就好。
@@tsunshinegal9102中国人也不喜欢战争，可是美国到处煽风点火！
Be my guest 💓🇨🇳 💓
不支持中国。 至少可以说，你们的文明对我来说很奇怪。 我不相信你的美丽故事，因为不可能。
Hi Mr. Orville you are very wrong about Singaporeans . Many of us Singaporeans feel that USA is a bully and love to " dip it's fingers into everyone's pie" so to speak. We want to trade and lead a peaceful life and not impose our wills on others . Please mind your business and may GOD bless you !
In recent decades, Uncle Sam has devoted too much energy to dealing with the affairs of other countries thousands of miles away, but he has no solution to the problems within the United States (such as outdated infrastructure, drug problems, gun problems, racial issues, and political line issues) , medical insurance issues, etc.), the collapse of the United States will start from within.
@@snowlee-ml7rr It is...Corp/banks/fed/lobby$ > govt. = oligarchy colonization
@@snowlee-ml7rr US is trying to export these problems to the other part of the world by finding likeminded individual who will help them with it and yet, sad to say, some weak minded are still falling into their trap….
US wants to rule over other countries but is blind to all the issues internal in the US itself.
sadly... Calvin cheng also represented a large of sgeans that supported USA wholeheartedly 😂
Mr.Schell exhibits Western-biased narratives about China but is not apt to debate Mr. Muhabani. Thank you, Mr. Muhabani, for your cogent and realistic analysis outside Western media.
Im seeing as an Asian biased narratives from Mr Muhabani.. He has a myopic view on China i guess.. i find Mr Schell has legit reasons to question China intentions.. Like covid/their wolf warrior tactics/debt trapping/disregarding some International laws and norms!
Its too costly to trust China with its expansionistic behaviour..!!
Absolutely good job USA USA USA 🇺🇲
One is a very wise and peace loving man, while the other is on second hand oxymoron.
Your insecure bias against USA makes you sound small and silly
Muhabani analysis is based outside western media but well inside CCP state media
Orville getting schooled but doesn't know it. Everyone in that room does 😂
It seems to me that this other guy does not know much about China. He kept mentioned about the Tiananmen massacre when everyone knows that there is no massacre in Tiananmen Square and that that was a failed Color Revolution started by the US.
The colour revolutions only started in 2005. Yes, there was a massacre. Fucking Chinese bot.
This old "China Expert" learns about China through his mainstream newspapers! He has no idea what the Chinese and the world today really see the US! 😂😂😂😂
Orville is few westerners that have good sense on China issue, that can be seen from many of his forums. I am of the view that Orville is over obsessed with his opposition stance in a debate that blurs his head in steadfastly pursuit of issues clearly rebutted. It’s unfortunate.
I’m amazed …who has military bases surrounding China…who is the aggressor..Orville is so out of touch..anyway Kishore has this covered!!
USA could not always good but they do the right thing to contain China and North Korea after end of WW2 ! USA projected ahead of time what communism is about and cannot be trusted!
Their 1st/2nd island chain is to contain China and is right that this is in place when u see what China is doing under Xi Jinping!
Having USA intervene in this east part of the world is correct cos never let communism dictate this part of the world ! I rather have USA involved against China …simple
STEM + geographic deficiency 💊
He has to be careful not to antagonise America too. Listen to how he lavished admiration of America. Listen to how he praised the American president whom many Americans are not even so generous. Unlike the American guest, he literally condemned the Chinese President. Now that is not tact, not diplomacy of learned professors.
I have the same thought too. And Kishore preferred Biden over Trump will put Kishore in bad light as Trump did not like Kevin Rudd, the Australian rep to US too.
Do you know that the Chinese can only build the Tiananmen Square Massacre Memorial in the United States?
Because it is illegal to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre in China, and you will be arrested and imprisoned.
Orville: Of what nation are you a citizen?
Kishore: Singapore.
Orville: Are you a citizen of another nation?
Kishore: No professor.
Orville: Have you applied a Chinese citizenship?
Kishore: Professor, I served my nation, Singapore. No, I did not.
Orville: Do you have a Singapore passport?
Kishore: Yes, professor. I served in Singapore government for more than 30 years.
Orville: Do you have any passports from other countries?
Kishore: No, professor.
😂🤣😂
Is this a persiflage of the us senat grilling tik tok Ceo???
"Are you a citizen of Singapore?"
"Yes, yes, I am."
"Are you aware that you are not supposed to serve another country, if you served for Singapore ? Cos your army background should mean that you are tied to Singapore's civil service tier only."
"But Singapore has no more room to live in and to stay. What am I supposed to do ?"
"Should you not have thought about that before you applied ?"
"Isn't Singapore using Common Law from the UK?"
"Are you trying to force indirectly changes to the constitution of the British Common Law system, in order to advance your own self interests here ? Indirectly forcing Britain to be damaged ? "
"But we have now globalised, and those old things, and constitutions are changed. I am loyal to my country."
"Did you send out the memo? If you are loyal to your country, then why do you work for your enemy ? "
"You implied that the are chinese first as a race, before you are an actual citizen of a nation ?"
"Are you trying to find the gaps in the missing translation, and therefore get as much coverages as you could. And want ?"
"Are you implying that there has been no changed since the first and second world war, and that we are still living in an actual wartime zone ?? "
Yes, this represents the mentality of the US. Stupid and sad.
LONG LONG LIVE KISHORE MAHBUBANI 🙏🙏🙏
Agreed with Mr. Mahbubani on most things, with a few exceptions including in particular his diplomatic praise of the US (especially of Biden being a "careful, sensitive president" - that's absurd).
-A fellow Singaporean
Exactly. I almost vomited when Kishmore praised Biden.
He just being polite
As usual, his diplomatic language. But you can sense the sarcasm.
He was just doing it for polite.
Uncle Kishore always amazed me.. wise man talking.. full of knowledge, no BS, straight forward, and very informative. Every young people need to listen to him. The white old guy definitely full of BS, full of hypocrisy.
@@rr-rickycry harder. West is in decline due to its intellectually inferior population
Ah a racist bot.
harvard graduate. he’s no joke 😌
Spot on !
@@rr-rickyI fully agree with Kishores viewpoints. Frankly speaking many world conflicts are caused by the US involvement. Without the US involvement, most conflicts could be resolved by the parties involved.
The Orville guy is just a typical Anglo-Saxon "media" on China. Kishore is the only adult on the stage and he handled Orville beautifully.
Bro you get the point 😂
Lots of these old white Bois are scared as shit...
Where do Anglo-saxons come from? Kishore uses that 'racist' term. Maybe by CCP standards he did well. He wouldn't convience anyone else. The only slightly vieled threats that china, no longer the mouse - if ever it was - is now an elephant and needs more room. Make room or get rolled over. Threat threat facing American allies and non-allies a like.
Anglo saxon is no racisium. You can call me an Asian. I wont be offended. So whats your problem here?😂 Is it not true that the five eyes are Anglo-Saxon run countries?@@Andy-P
I would say the host was doing fairly good job too. She's giving opportunities to both sides to ask and answer questions and no rude interuptions which you have often seen in this type of dialogue. I only hope it could be longer😂.
This dude isn't even on kishore's level. He not only systematically dismantled him but also schooled him on every single issue. Hands down sir.
Very impressed with Mahbubani's character, intelligence and speech. A great person and definitely would be a great leader of the world if there's a choice.
Always a great applause to Kishore. He speaks for 88% of the world population.
More than that, my friend.
All except g7
No, doesn't. The Chinese may like him as his views are bent towards them. Educated Indians don't regard him well. He is thought of to be a Chinese puppet and don't know much about India but pretends to be an expert on Indian affairs.
Kishore’s opinion is extremely biased, and I strongly advise him to relinquish his Singapore passport and move to the ideal country he promotes. Meanwhile, he portrays the US as a reluctant loser, desperately fighting to maintain its status, which just makes me want to laugh out loud, especially considering that the platform of CZcams, where he is active, was invented in the US. In short, this guy is nothing but a traitor to the free world.
@@Howaretheygonnaknow Isn’t the United States a reluctant loser? In 2016, the United States tried to launch a war against China in the South China Sea, but China accurately reported the location of its aircraft carrier and the United States was forced to flee. Since 2018, the United States has launched a trade war and a technology war in an attempt to prevent China's development. However, China is still the largest trading partner of more than 100 countries today, and China has already made 7nm chips. What other means can the United States use? Isn’t America just a reluctant loser? What's more, the "free world" you mentioned refers to the one that bans tictok? Really funny.
Kishore is excellent.. can't say much about Orville who went off his supposed talk but just attacked venomously at Kishore for his rational and insightful views. Kishore is calm, elegant, composed and as usual brilliant in his reponse. Well done, Kishore
"Orville who went off his supposed talk but just attacked venomously"
@@steveyeung4797just remember either the United States wins or everyone will lose.
Orville is so anti-China that he did not show much professionalism.
A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China?
The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries?
China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?
Not sure how Orville can be a China Expert when he only represented 12% of the population and has no Geopolitical view of what is happening outside US. He is so self-centred and unprepared. Like what someone mentioned here, he has no stand to what he is saying. I do hope that he knows where Singapore is on the map as 80% of the Americans don't even know where Singapore is. Asians are definitely not more comfortable with US. In fact, Asians are the true believer of free trade and fair competiton.
so much respect to Mr. Kishore Mahbubani. to represent Singapore and the entire ASEAN in response to Orville.
Professor Mahbubani is someone who combines the intellect of the West and the wisdom of the East! 🙏👏
that american guy answered none of the questions raised to him but instead keeps demonizing China and tried to push Kishore to a corner of which Kishore was able to retort so well and eloquently.
@anandachong "that american guy answered none of t..." You didn't watch this video, did you. "push Kishore into a corner" ? One question about Chinese aggression which Muhbubani avoided by passing China's "difficulties" with India, Japan, Vietnam as difficulties. In his vanilla, benign portrayal of CCP China, Mahbubani overlooks the pacifying influence of the 7th Fleet.
@@angusmckenzie9622 Kishore did mention great power have their own interest! The point he stress is that we need to standup to China and also live with China. He also state it is normal to have dispute anong countries. Do not have a "snap view" on China. Look at broader pictures. China have dispute but did not result into a war.
@yaucharles "K ishore did mention great power..." That illustrates, perfectly, the weakness in Mahbubani's position on China. In 1950 China invaded South Korea and Tibet. 1962, invaded India. 1979 invaded Vietnam. All that restrains CCP from war against its neighbours is the US 7th Fleet. Don't be fooled by Mahbubani's avuncular musings, he's out of touch.
Hardly. The "American guy" (it would be polite of you to use his name) asked some good questions of Kishore who was also quite good at avoiding answering some of them.
And I was surprised that Rorry did not ask Orville that either and brush it off
Kishore is a gem of mankind and a beacon of humanity.
pathetic level of stupidity in this comment despite Mahbubani's exposed nonsense over the past decade. How do you do it?
Kishore is a wumao CCP shill.
@@mervynhingyes they should have never wasted their time bringing Kishore on the show knowing that he's a CCP shill.
@@mervynhing only pathetic here is you ,don't be shame and admit it
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kishmore is a LIVING LEGEND!!!!!!!
China was once the number one in the world like the United States is now, but in the past 4,000 years I have never seen China start a war around the world like the United States is now. From this perspective, the Chinese are the most peace-loving race. And..........I really sympathize with orville schell so much....his attitude to SouthEast Asia is full of condescending self-persuasion............
一个饥饿的国家不能发动战争。 中国并不完全是和平的。 如果你了解邻居，那么你就知道问题出在哪里。
Why doesn't Shnell talk about Okinawa, Chagos, Gracia Diego, Hawaii? Why the US comes all the way to South East Asia to tell Asean what they should or should not do? China is the largest exporter to the world. So isn't it China's interest to safeguard the waters in the South China Sea. Why has the Us poking its nose into the affairs of countries in the Far East?
To keep their hegemon. No country is allowed to surpass usa.
@@greentea8852and they will not.
@@TacticalMayoYes, they will not be able to keep their hegemony.
@@TacticalMayoit is a gradual process through dedollarisation
Welcome to the new world 😅
@@TacticalMayoThe US play dirty game to keep his hegemony, but soon China will surpass the US without doubt.
Khishor is truly an excellent diplomat. He's able to tell the Americans: "South East Asians are not stupid, you fool", in a very polite acceptable way
He is a CCP apologist.
He indirectly admitted that most south East Asian are blind to its neighbors’ interest when it comes to China territorial expansions…. Almost fully aligned with Sno-Russian interest more so than the west
Kishore is mouth piece of the CCP
You fot that right@@Andy-P
@@Andy-P Can I give you 20 thumbs up?
Mr. Orville, please sort out your facts. The so-called Senkaku island is actually called the Diaoyu island, and it belongs to the Republic of China (AKA Taiwan), but it is occupied illegally by Japan.
Kishore has so much depth & vast knowledge about China. Why did the US send some Dumb Shallow Propagandist for this intellectual conversation - it's a waste of his time.
It was an insult to professor Kishore.
One is a intellect and the other is lost in space....floats from one anti China point to the next but does not have a comprehensive logical argument... It's really not fair to put this guy in the same room with a intellect.
Exactly and Kishore is pro-china. You're on your side and we are on ours 🇺🇲
Can’t agree more with your assessment. We know who is the intellect and who is the lost guy. 😂😂😂
It is fair because he calls himself a China expert.
@@Queen731. 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
He is just repeating what he read from Western medias. Can't blame him on feeding his brain on it
Orville just keeps accusing Kishore with west ignorance. He have not answered any question effectively yet. How he can be selected to have a debate with Kishore. He likes high school study pretending he knows something….
Apa yang disampaikan Orville sangat tidak bermutu; ia memegang teguh pandangan tahun 1980-2010...., yang mana sudah tidak relevan dengan situasi dan kondisi geopolitik saat ini. Saran; undang pembicara yang lebih cerdas dan menguasai kondisi terkini....
You are right. That Orville is like a high school kid.
U$ is practically a terror state, currently funding and backing Gaza ge no.
This is all unfolding now, today!!!
Lol
ither he is very navie or thinks the rest of us are stupid. Why do I need to listen to him? He is simply parroting what the US government is saying, for that I can watch CNN.
Mr Kishore Mahbubani's level is much more higher than Mr. Orville Schell's.
As a Singaporean and Asian I am proud that Kishore is providing a much more balanced perspective to this matter than the so called China expert who seems to be so clueless.
No doubt Sir Kishore is a master-class.
Wumao
@@TacticalMayois a sour grape
@@robertcwchin5872 wait till you see what we do.
@@robertcwchin5872 wait till you see what sour grape brings you.
@@TacticalMayo I wonder. Are you an agent?
As Singaporean , we are proud to have many leaders like Mr. Kishore. As for the west, the quality of the leader is so behind. Totally agreed with Mr Kishore.
Likewise the "quality" of their "scholars" is on full display with this Orville character, with his emotion infused, catchphrase-laden jibber jabber, words like "wolf warrior" as newly christened by their so called "think"tanks...
Exactly! Really don't think students from the world should go to american universities and try to learn some knowledge from Orville kind of people. He is one of the representatives of american jokes.
@@lukecheukI agree with you, the quality has deteriorated the last few decades.
As a fellow Singaporean, I strongly disagree with this view, in fact, I am ashamed to have garbage like Kishore or George Yeo who are so shallow, so shortsighted, so stupid
Mr. Orville Schell so stupid and arrogant. In my point of view, he seems so naive what happening to our planet, left and right like a killing field. Question, USA done all this horrible evils.
God please bless us our wonderful planet for peace.
Feels like this day a very polite and patient Headmaster (Mahbubani ) had to look after a rude and impolte brat for long hours.
Well said.
The questions raised by the US expert on Geopolitics very much wonderfully answered by Mr. Kishore of Asean countries.
Kishore Mabubani is one of the best most insightful geopolitical realist analyst. He has been predicting most of the events unfolding today.
Yes, but he gives a partial explanation. A realist, yes, but what about a visionary?
@@TheVafa95 Well I have read all his books written I think since before 2016 and listened to a few of his lectures and most of what he stated are unfolding just as he stated them. Also many of the suggestions he made would have solved many of the issues today that he identified. So I also agree he is also one of the best modern day visionary.
@@seeker2118what is his vision for the future? Has he expanded on his analogy of the boat?
@@seeker2118 Seeker is a meaningful name you have chosen.
These days many children know that through cooperation one can achieve more than through competition and fighting is bad.. Visionary is someone who knows where humanity "has to be going" like Confucius who 2,500 years ago said that, When the perfect order prevails, the world is like a home shared by all. Virtuous and capable people are elected to public offices; trust and peace are the maxims of living among the people..."
The closest thing Kishore has said is that we are all on one ship and the ship has no captain. I have not heard him to say, what steps humanity has to take, to have a world governing system to avoid wars and bloodshed. And to guide humanity out of collective danger it is facing.
If he has written anything expanding on the analogy of ship, please share it.
@@TheVafa95 The analogy he shared about the planet being a ship and we being all passengers in different cabins is from his book, I think "The Great convergence" where he goes deeper into the great dilemmas humanity now face. The idea of putting our differences aside and ignoring our selfish tendencies as if we don't learn to work together we will end together. His other titles: "Has China Won" and the very short but profound and in my opinion prophetic "Has the West Lost it" are extremely good as they basically predicted the issues that we face today and his suggestions on how these issues could have been avoided. His books will be more interesting for people from the global south as we are better able to relate, but more difficult to accept by Westerners who hold on to a sense of entitlement and superiority.
Enjoy listening to Mr Kishore and his calm,clear demeanour,as for Mr. Schell he claims to be a expert on China,he comes across as a China critic but respect both gentlemen point of view and worked in Asia for twelve years and so glad that I did as I had a blurred view of Asia and thankfully I have a balanced view now. Greetings from Ireland!
And you are Chinese from Ireland.
It is stunning how little Orville Schell had to say beyond judging China with ideology and how little self reflection on the US policy toward China. As a liberal writer who is supposed to know China better, he was completely destroyed by Kishore.
Professor Mahbubani won this debate.
😂😂😂😂😂
Kishore was angry at the end because Orville told him over and over again: China is on the wrong path
Definitely
Orville was stupid. anyone with smarts would have clearly won over this Kishore guy.
@@user-xv3bl7jz7tyeah ok 😂😂😂😂😂😂
To put Kishore and Orville on the same stage is a complete mismatch.
Agreed. Orville can see all aspects. Kishore only see's CCP view
Zero likes. Better like your own comment since it is a bit pathetic otherwise 😂 @@Andy-P
@@quoderatdemonstrandum7215 Personal attacks by the CCP. It's what the world is use to. If you don't agree with them
This wasn't a debate. It was two people asking Kishore questions. One was asking questions intelligently, the other was pushing Anglo Saxon propaganda
@@Yadvakkushna Half right. Kishore avoided the key question - what are Xi's intentions... as if we didn't know
It is annoying that Mr. Schell didn't deliver his opening remarks; didn't respond the moderator's questions: He is not following the rules of this conversation.
He said condescendingly: We never treat others condescendingly. Only we are qualified to ask questions, and we can freely decide whether to answer questions because I am a noble American.
That's US way, either my rules or highway
I am so very impressed that KISHORE is so comprehensive, consistent and clear in his thoughts on CHINA. He has articulated his answers simply and persuasively and has DEFINITELY left his mark on the INTERNATIONAL scene as arguably one of the BEST ASIAN thinkers spanning the 20th & 21st century!!!! He has done Spore PROUD.
A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China?
The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries?
China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?
Respect to Singapore for having a diplomat and scholar like Kishore! A country with meritocracy has shown the world what’s possible when the leaders are decent and capable.
I kinda wanted the US to be a meritocracy.
Thank you , they broke the mould which Kishore Mahubhani was made from , similar craftsman who created Lee Kuan Yew : )
Such governance in Singapore and Malaysia, are influenced by The British ! Not China .not CCP! In China you are not allowed to own any land ! Not even your soul !!
@@selenium-es7hl Then how those "nobles" maintain their privilege?
It’s a shame to Singaporan
Oh man, what a beatdown. Schell comes in like a trash talking rookie who disrespectingly ignores the customary glove bump and starts throwing a flurry of jabs based on the usual US propaganda narrative. Kishore just calmly and effortlessly brush aside all those attacks and lands some monstrous hits.. "only one country that passes judgement on other's form of government".. a beautiful and glorious smackdown.
Wolf warrior diplomacy is basically China taking off the kids gloves and stop taking sh!t from the US. He has the galls of accusing China of aggression?!? China is not the one who goes around instigating coups, fomenting unrest, carrying out assassinations, and outright overthrowing sovereign governments that refuse to kowtow to US hegemony. And they never talk about the reason why China is resorting to the strategy in the South China Seas is because the US has gone on record talking about the strategy of militarizing the island chains and cutting off China's trade routes. "Perception of US containment?" Please.. what the US is doing right now with CHIPs and forming anti-China alliances like quad and aukus is nothing short of perpetrating a cold war
The host is great, Mz. Daniels. Mr. Mahbubani performed well. Orville Schell didn’t do his job. He didn’t use the chance to explain the standing, analyze the opponent, or the practical approach. He remained aggressive but unfortunately nothing more than a unprepared journalist. If USA relied on these kind of scholars for decision making, they need to rebuild the org and re-consider the decisions.
I am from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Since 15th century China already trade With Melaka. They never conquered us, only trade. BUT the west Portuguese, English and Dutch came with cannons to conquer us and said we belong to them. They each stayed for years.
I'm from the US, but my parents are from Singapore, the western colonial powers didn't conquer us for years, they did so for Centuries! Hundreds of years! They even fought each other to conquer us.
KARMA IS A B ITCH
THEY DESTROYED WORLD WITH GUNS VALLENTINES AND PLASTIC YOUNGSTERS@@wooyyeah
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the world need more people like Kishore, listening to him can prevent war.
Agree.. unfortunately if one "exceptional" country, U.S., does not listen.. there's nothing the rest of the 160 or so countries can do.. sigh..
Kishore having serve on the UN security council knows how the real world works. these scholar-journalist only know paper theory.
Why aren't more world organisations or contentious countries tap on his wisdom?
@@westwoodlywisdom.. really??
Not forgetting. And Prof Jeffrey Sachs too. One of the last few Godly Americans. 🙏
But the 'Nine Dash Line' was not created by China, it (or the original 11 Dash Line) was actually created by the Repubic of Taiwan under the KMT government. In the post WWII period, this was widely accepted by other states including the USA. China has merely redefined it as the 'Nine Dash Line' in view of changing geopolitics. Again it is the changing dynamics in this playing field that see countries like the USA and the Phillippines raising opposing claims to China's Nine Dash Line. ASEAN countries have been working on a code of conduct on resolving territorial disputes, but outside forces have been meddling this co-operative and peaceful migration.
Absolutely correct that the nine dash line was created by the Republic of China （now Taiwan government ) after WWII.
Kishore is a very educated, wisdom and respectable man! I have to say this one more time.
I am happy to see Asian superpowers! Its always good to have a counterbalance to western narrative on global issues
There will only be one superpower and that is the United States of America 🇺🇲
Rohan, don’t forget Arunachal Pradesh claim by china
A large number of Chinese people smuggle into the United States. Have you ever seen Americans smuggling into China?
The Chinese are engaging in fraud in Myanmar, the Philippines, and Cambodia. Have you ever seen Westerners engaging in fraud in these countries?
China is reclaiming reefs and building islands off the coast of the Philippines. Have you ever seen Westerners reclaiming reefs and building islands in the South China Sea?
It was the fault of the British colonial government. Neither India nor China should be blamed.
The first foreign bus workers strike in Singapore was initiated by the Chinese中國人.
Most of the fraudsters in Myanmar, the Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam, Singapore, and Malaysia are from China.
Then you told me that China is a friendly country. Do you have cognitive impairment?
Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is very learned and speaks a lot of common sense. Thank you.
Is it?
Is it not? Provide the context then
So proud of KISHORE. Very wisdom, well analysed and explanation.
Applause to you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Seeing how this American speaks make me understand why the US is declining. Blinded by arrogance and I am quite sure what is in their mind. If America goes down, make sure all others go along.
your mind is twisted
@@limayanon America is twisted. America has no power on its own population so it needs to dominate foreign population instead
@@limayanonI bet the twisted mind is yours not his.
@@sebastianbarthez maybe it is yours read it again
@mkang666 Dead on! @lim-sh..t hahaha, just stay in your delusional space with the unkempt finger wagging Orville (popcorn) boy.
Kishore is treasure that for mankind
i wish the chinese have superb english speaking trash talkers like kishore, vijay prasard or john mearsheimer.
@@ninersnation3298Chinese don't speak good English in general😂, the only scholar I can think of who can deliver his message properly in English is 李世默
@@donkeykong8792 THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO!! Chinese can't just take bll shtt everytime from the west, both from western media or western politicians. The only chinese diplomats that fire back the bull s that i could think of are: yang jiechi in the alaska summitt and hua chunying's on her X account. I'm like we need to fire back garbage back. we can't take blows every time. we need good english speaking chinese to defend ourselves. we can't rely on people like jeffrey saks or john mearsheimer to defend us every time. We need to fight back ourselves!!!
Maybe ccp
@@ninersnation3298 All the names you mentioned are the top scholars speaking justification and truth.
Trash is within yourselves as a trash person.
Heartfelt applauses for Professor Kishore Mahbubani 💯💯💯👍👍👍
As a Singaporean, I am very very comfortable with China and I am happy to express very loudly my dissatisfaction with US. Thanks but no thanks to US bullying Orville.
Applause to Dr Kishore, as a Chinese from Hong Kong, and as a citizen of SE Asian. What I (we) personally experienced of all the chaos of the riots funded and instructed by US, most of us awaken as it hurt every single families so deeply. That craziness broke us all apart yet at the same time, we all got united because we learnt that we have strong and determined leaders to protect us from enemies!
Spot on 👍
As a fellow HK resident I couldn't agree more
Little pinky 😂
The US is so desperate now that they don't care if you know or not that they played a big hand in the HongKong riot. I have no respect for the US anymore.
what enemies? The US trained China and generated jobs for your people
The American is totally outclassed by Prof. Kishore in his intellectual intelligence.
Americans have intelligence。。。。That's funny。。。People always like to talk about what they don’t have。。。
Nahh, no human in this world can match American intellectually. Thats the reason why they still the leader of science and technology.
Kishore held back as well. But he made Orville look pathetic. Orville the duck would have been a better candidate lol!
@@alzmvn If Americans are so stupid why do you guys always get so hurt and angry when they criticize you?
@@borneandayak6725 both science and technology fields has been overtaken by China since 2022.
I'm from Russia. Mr. Mahbubani please accept my deep respect. We have good diplomats but you outperform them evidently.
well said prof. kishore, wishing from malaysia !
kishore nailed it with the vietnam reference. if US had a problem with authoritarian regimes, why do they cozy up to saudi arabia? an absolute monarchy that has no democratically elected leadership and a country that forbids women from driving?
Yup, Kishore nails it. Why would Kissinger flew all the way to Beijing in the 70's to shake Mao's hand if the US government doesn't want to work with autocratic government. Didn't they consider Mao autocratic then?
Americans are experts at pinning stories. They have Hollywood. Communism is evil, but they want to befriend a communist country.
You only become autocratic when the can’t use you 😂
Not only the Saudis. The entire Mid-East with the exception of 1 or 2 are not democratic countries.
All oil-rich ones are not and ironically they're all cultivated as "allies" by US.
So it's clear it's not ideology that's making the US shifts it's policy to confront China. It's the threat a rising China could do to it's hegemonic position. IN fact Biden Admin, CIA, Congress have all stated this openly.
But they send out this low quality PR guy cum propagandist like this Orville to try to turn the tables on China instead. As if the entire is dumb enough to fall for his silly ploy.
The US regime is a shameless HYPOCRITE.
Prof. Kishore brilliant answers and rebuttal.
kishore is a a joke. ASEAN tolerates china because of its size and economic power. but ASEAN knows of chinese agenda of dominating the region. ASEAN likes the US because of its ideals and needs its military to combat a bully dhina. kishore always plays to his pro-china narrative.
The gap in IQ and knowledge of history between Kishore and this Whit-e creature is astounding.
I believe that Xi is just one of the most patriotic person for his people for serving his country tirelessly since he was 18. All that he wants to do is to better his people but nothing is perfect and some people do get stepped on in the process, basically competitors.
The United States is too young a country to understand how human civilization works
If u listen to Orville, he himself gives the game away. He says the concern is about China's hegemonic intentions, when what he really means is that he is concerned about the US losing hegemonic position.
Spot on!
Exactly
Simple what ever Orville said about China just replace it by America his statement is 100% trues.
He is defending US imperialism and America's right to subjugate other smaller nation in this world!!!
Standing ovation for Sir Kishore Mahbubani! SE Asians are certainly not stupid 😅
Except for Philippines
These SEA countries are only skillful at sitting on the fence and see which country benefits them. Since China is closer and getting stronger, they would lean towards China.
@@erenyeagerist7681That's because BongBong promised a lot and then did a 180°, because he couldn't give up on his father's bank account. 😂
@@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984Marcos Sr died & Marcos Junior (current Philippines president) takes over.
When US court asked Marcos Jr to appear in court, somebody helped Marcos to return to Philippines, without appearing in court. Hence, US court issued a contempt order of US$353 million.
how much is Marcos Senior's estate
In Oct 2012, a US Court of Appeals upheld the judgment against Marcos for violating an injunction that barred Marcos Jr to dissipate the assets of the estate. USA has frozen US$2 billion.
Marcos Jr is selfish. For his own interest, he damages Philippines’ economy by losing trade with China. He put his country at risk in a China-USA war where Philippines will become a ruin like Ukraine.
They let the US bribe money fill their bellies and exchange of hell.
Very stupid😂 they day USA takes it army back, the next day china would conquer them😂
Does this guy know what happened to HK in 2019-2020? That is color revolution created by the USA.
Without the United States, our earth would be peaceful for a long time.
💯 Correct 👍
The more I listen to t his discussion, the more I am convinced that Orville is completely lost in space.
Thanks to Dr Kushiro for making the discussion worth watching.
Not lost, just an indignant curmudgeon peddling anti-China hate. I like the way Kishore finally couldn't hold it in despite his immense diplomatic civility and laughs at the idiot.
Kishore has my highest respect for being direct and impartial.
On the contrary, Kishore EVADED answers to some CHALLENGING questions. He seems to have a personal agenda that is aligned with China's.
Kishore seems to be a China PROPAGANDIST.
He hails China's economic success while IGNORING the PROCESS of China's achieving such success. He does not acknowledge the RESPONSIBILITY that should go with China's BULLYING actions and other MISBEHAVIOR.
@@user-wi7it2mx6z: 😂aren’t you biased ?
Your world 🌍 map 🗺️ has America in the center ???
Happy and glad to hear the deep wisdom based views of Kishore as mind opening and concerned diplomat from Singapore.
peace comes from understanding, but not bulling,US should know this!
Great push back, Kishore! And backed with truth, not insinuations and propaganda 👏👍
Certainly, Kishore is skilled at hiding his propaganda under the veil of knowledge and the ability to articulate that knowledge. He is skilled at being SUBTLE. And that's dangerous.
@@user-wi7it2mx6z: what propaganda? While USA interferes in other nations …
China is building bridges over land, over mountains 🏔️, across seas & underneath waters too, improving their infrastructure, transportation, tele communications etc.
I think 🤔 if America 🇺🇸 starts to care & build their own nation & infrastructure- it would be good.
Eg Baltimore bridge needs strong anchor ⚓️ & repair !
Care about your own backyard than interfering in other peoples backyard.
Just one question for Orville: name me a third nation other than Canada and Murica that abducted a top-level manager of a company without any charges. Murica did it to the French Alstom! Canada did it to Huawei!
What do those actions say about Canada and Murica?!
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Good questions 👍🏻
Huawei is a criminal organization
National security!
@@donkeykong87921 hour ago
National security!
THIRD NATION!!!
English is your second language?
Sorry but Mr orville sounds like the dear old gobbling turkey that we used to keep in our backyard..😂
Dr. Mahbubani, Thank you for your vision and your grasp of the world ----
China never tell any other country not to deal with USA
Who is wolf warrior？
usa is like the bully in the kindergarden.. i mean the level of the politic in the usa is so low....
Details matter! America is not about to attack Mexico with Chinese technology.
china should hands off Taiwan. stop faking like the wolf in the Little Red Riding Hood.
Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is pure style and grace. There's no contest here.
He is CCP mouth piece. Behave like CCP state press. Will not acknowledge criticism
@@Andy-Pname calling is displaying your lack of intelligence. Go read more then go debate him on his points.
Without a doubt! Hear…..hear.
@@martintsang1662 Where is th name calling. I've watched the debate and Kishore doesn't answer the questions. It's you who are name calling "..your lack of intelligence" maybe I should go to one of those camps in Xinjiang?
kishore makes wrongful generalizations about ASEAN. ASEAN tolerates china because of chinese economy, but most DISLIKE chinese oppression and bullying. communist china is not harmonizing as kishore pretends, they are the main oppressors in ASEAN territory.
I was born in Malaysia, as an Asian and live in Germany, I respect Pr, Kishore
😅 nobody beat Kishore in logical argument, he just hit the bullseye on point, 1-0 to kishore❤❤
Prof. Kishore is the kind of person that get respect and admiration when he start talking.
I only came here for Kishore and having heard the entire discussion, it's obvious to me that he was the only one worth listening to.
just let some guys know, the south china sea 9 dash line was accepted by US before. after WW 2, US fleet escorted the Chinese marine to each island in that area and declaim the territory. and that time Philippines was not even a country, it wasjust a colony of French. Then Chinese had civil war, so they don't have enough power or military force to hold those islands. many countries split the south China sea close to their countries.
Philippines was not colonized by french 🙄but by spaniards. . for 300 years then came american and then japanese .occupation.🙄
@@anc5572sorry, my mistake. so Philippines is just like Taiwan, created by US to provoke China and lure them into the war.