Pathfinder 2e Remaster in 7 Minutes or Less
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- čas přidán 5. 11. 2023
- Here is your comprehensive guide to the Pathfinder 2e Remaster. The first two remastered books, Player Core 1 and GM Core officially release on Nov. 15.
I don't go over every single change in the remaster, but if you're generally confused what everybody is talking about, hopefully this video will help!
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I like some of the terminology changes, they make more sense now. "Off-Guard" its insane how much more sense this makes.
Much more insightful than flat footed
3:53 For those who are (or may become) confused, the Paladin is called a CHAMPION in Pathfinder 2e! Paladin is a subclass/type of Champion!
I appreciate and respect that you chose an orc for the Nephilim example.
2:35 Apart from it separating Pathfinder from 5e that is a pretty interesting concept of wizard schools being based on what they are used for rather than just the magic itself.
its not interesting, it one of the worst changes because most GM worlds have wizard schools in some shape or form, however your wizards might be self taught or didnt learn in a school, and if you did you could already do the same thing with a spell school major and minor/s except in a much more open ended way. your major being your class choice and minors being roleplay and/or spell picks. that already formed the basis for many wizards who wanted to go down the curriculum path from a story and CC perspective, its open-ended and provides many time more options than the remaster does. by choosing a pair or trio of spell schools and flavoring up your curriculum how you wanted, you could already do what you now being forced to do. now everything is mixed and if you take a look at the curriculums, many are very random and it could be argued that multiple spells in each list fit into multiple curriculums even though they dont appear in multiple lists. also, the old spells schools used in D&D, and many others, were established long before D&D in popular fiction, D&D just added a particular set of 8 into their game, they dont hold any legal ownership over things that existed before D&D, if they did we need to stop using dice and hit points and maps and well RPG's in general WotC would own all these things if that how copyright and trademarks worked, the schools are very generic classifications of spell effects that were in use long before the 80s, but if paizo thinks its too close then that is their decision, even if its a poor one.
but, at the end of the day, anything that makes them happy that they have removed the stench of hasbro and wotc from pathfinder is a good thing, so, i hate this change but im glad its happening
^^ As a dm you can decide what you want to use and what you want to modify to fit the world you are creating. Relax.
@@lordhawkeye players come to the table with an expectation to play the game they have chosen to join in on playing. "Just change the rules to suit your tastes" is the rallying cry of poor GMs. You don't change the rules to suit your tastes, you houserule with your players to improve the table.
That change is aweful for role-playing, it's awful for game play, compared to how wizards used to run, and so far I've yet to see a single actual arguement against it past, "just change a fundimental building block of new wizards." I understand they de-d&d, but this was one change that they didnt need to perform and one that makes the game worse at the same time.
If you like pathfinder and I like pathfinder, we should be able to be critical of things like this...
@@flandersnatch2285
[Declare's opinion as fact]
Others: [Offer solution]
[Angry/Angsty retort why solution doesnt work and is bad]
Chill out man, using absolutes generally just makes you look foolish and automatically puts you at odds with anyone who has a different take. May I recomend couching this in a different manner such as 'It seems like this would cause [this issue],' rather than "it[s] one of the worst changes because..." and "That change is aweful"
I'm solidly in the camp that this seems like an interesting change, and remember rules such as this are designed to fit in Paizo's world, and its pretty damn easy to rename wizard schools, plus there is the magical option of just using the old ruling :-)
@@thehob3836 [Twists opinion and makes declarative statements that are untrue]
[Can't take critisms of your hobby]
[Does the thing he says other do]
See how that works. I'm glad you like the changes, when you have some experience come on back and see if you feel the same way 👍
my god, on the surface this seems like a silly video, but it is absolutely packed to the gills with accurate information (which i needed). well done kind sir
Thanks! I bleed silliness so it's unavoidable
then pay with your blood, mister@@KingOogaTonTon
The dying rules bit: "Will this rule survive?" I mean, if you had to ask the question, we probably all know the answer XD
Vocial minorities, like the people that think those rules are bad, are a thing.
I hope people give it a chance... I have run it as intended since launch and it isn't as bad as people think it is. It does however encourage better teamwork and actively healing a lot more
@@lostsanityreturnedthere IS something to be said about designing away from the yo-yo effect of dying, there is real incentive and a feeling of danger here. I don't hate it.
The day one errata already walked it back
@@ssfbob456 And thank goodness. If they went with the rules as (re)written, the wouned/dying dynamic which as played previously which is quite good, just falls apart. Get Dying 1, recover, get Wounded 1. Knocked down again, Dying 1 + Wounded 1. Take _any_ damage whilst in Dying 2, add 1 + Wounded 1 = instant dead. Really ridiculous.
Short, sweet, and to the point. Thanks for the video Ooga helps to summarize things for those of us out of the loop on everything going on with the remaster and not just hearing bits and pieces here and there.
You are legit the reason me and my party tried and now play Pathfinder 2e
The most concise coverage I've found yet. Thank you.
Thanks for this summary. This helps me. I used to play D&D 3e so the fact that Pathfinder had it's origins there makes sense now why Pathfinder 2e felt more familiar to me than D&D 5e. Since I just got started in Pathfinder their update is perfect timing since I do not own any of the books yet. Except the beginner box I do own that.
First! Thank you so much, your videos helped me and my friends easily learn the system.
Only modifiers! Yes, by the nine hells! About damn time.
This was the exact amount of time needed, so good
This video is amazing. I was looking up PF 2e the other day and I was confused af, everything was different! This video helped me figure so freaking much in just 7 minutes. THANKS!
Awesome, glad it was useful!
I was looking for a video like this for a long time, thank you!
Good rundown as always, King 👑
Man, you are gifted with summarizing content
I thought I knew a decent amount of the remaster stuff already, but wow there's a lot of neat stuff I hadn't heard about yet! Thanks for the video!
Thank you for these videos! They really help me learn the game than the other guys on CZcams cause I'm a visual learner and I'm low key mental
Best video on the remaster I have seen yet. Thanks!
Video: Recall Knowledge has been clarified.
Me: Thank you! Finally someone on CZcams is calling it a clarification instead of calling it a buff. Seriously. Even though the previous action didn't explicitly say you ask a question, how the heck else do you resolve the action that describes itself as being for recalling specific information without informing the GM what you are trying to Recall?
Wow! this was so informative and concise, love it :D!
0:38 - Paizo never needed the open gaming license to make Pathfinder. They're protected under the first amendment, copyright, and legal present which allows the reuse of game mechanics though not explicitly it's written rules which Pathfinder, to my knowledge, does not use.
Pathfinder is wholly original in the legal sense. However, it is arguably creatively derivative of Dungeons and Dragons, but I think the two settings are very distinct in many ways which makes them both unique and appealing in their own ways even if they're audience would overlap a lot.
If I were writing this very good video, I'd instead say that it was made by former writers of an official D&D magazine as a traditional reiteration of the game in the face of the fourth edition.
Which was never settled in any court. Already TSR threathened to sue everyone (even people who did not even use D&D, but completly other RPGs) and no one went to court, which is in itself amazing. Having rights and getting right are two different things.
@@sungeziefer7421 TSR had nothing to do with the OGL.
Love your videos. Very helpful
Excellent summary my dude!
The beginning of the year was quite a mess and chaos, but luckily it has been now calmed down. For RPG developers and world builders, knowing D&D and Pathfinder also gives a good basis to get to know the already used terminology as examples of terms to avoid if you are planning your own TTRPG or fantasy world, for example The Dungeon Coach replaced the word "magic" with the word "mana" to avoid the slightest similarity to already used terms and words and thus possible or potential legal issues which can result from the careless use of terms and words in similar context. Lately, I've started to get to know and learn about the terminology used by OSR (Old School Essentials), Basic Fantasy, World Without Numbers and Mörk Borg.
Goated youtube channel, thanks once again
34k views at the time of writing and this very concisely explains the differences between the remaster and old Pathfinder. Amazing stuff.
Maybe now I'll actually learn it LOL
Sorry to be a stickler, King Ooga, but Pathfinder 1e was an almost identical rbanch off of Dnd 3.5, not 3.
“If you have lots of money” is such a great qualifier for almost all things. 😅😂
Great video!
Wow that was a challenge and you crit succeeded !
Let me ring that bell
This is perfect! I now have a solid chance of getting my players to try pathfinder
Seems like removing the last bits they used from Dnd made Pathfinder an even better game.
They're very questionable at best. Many people still keep to the old books...
@@user-jt3pn8bi5p Most people won't buy a new rulebook just for a few tweaks. There are not enough changes for that. So, people sticking to the old books does in no way say anything about the quality of those changes. If you want to make that case, that's just laughable.
God, this channel is amazing
great video as always, perfectly succinct
That was fast. Nice job.
When the video was done, I looked at the time...
Holy cow, it was actually only 7 minutes!
Just have started collecting old books of pathfinder 2e (due to some slowness of localisation) after that found out about remaster. Lol. So painful, especially I bought advanced rulebooks on preorder and it's not even got released yet.
Support Comment! Keep up the good work.
Good job! This explains the changes well.
Personally I will be staying with classic PF2 and keeping the old spell schools - which are in Creative Commons, not the OGL
I have the GM Core on pre order. Should be interesting.
Ironic thing is that Pathfinder only exists bc WotC threatened to revoke the OGL. This year was not the first time XD
The new dying rules seem interesting....but I'm still waiting for a dying system where your CON stat *actually* matters!
Leshy being a common ancestry is the biggest win imo :)
Do you know how Ability boosts are going to be conveyed in the remaster, I've been trying to find the answer but it doesn't seem like something people are talking about (which is fair). Like is just going to be cap on how high your modifier will be until a certain level or are players going to be given like a .5 increase to it?
From Player Core page 19:
An attribute boost normally increases an attribute
modifier’s value by 1. However, if the attribute modifier
to which you’re applying an attribute boost is already +4
or higher, instead mark “partial boost” on the character
sheet for that attribute. If the attribute already has a
partial boost invested in it, increase the modifier by 1 and
uncheck the box. At 1st level, a character can never have
any attribute modifier that’s higher than +4.
@@xczechr Thank you! complete missed that on the character sheet sheet where it say's 'partial boost'
I hate a fair few of the changes in the remaster, but im also glad its happening to remove themself from dnds sphere. I left dnd after 13 years of gm'ing exclusively dnd because of abusive practices from hasbro and wotc, anything that distances yourself from that, is a good thing.
will they be releasing a free fillable character sheet like they did with the original 2e?
6:43 But what if I'm new and want to use the new rules but prefer the cover art of the old books?
New errata guys! The dying wouned condition interaction was reverted!
who knew that purging DnD from P2e would make it better!
Im a new player of pathfinder that never played it ( not counting games of course like Kingmaker and WoTR that i loved ) so i bought few core books pdfs and didnt know that remaster is comming qwq Now i dont know if "Book of The Dead" ( one of my fav one ) will even have sense in Pathfinder 2e remastered. Now i have so many questions in mind. Like if all archetypes will be going to remastered pathfinder or if some of them unfortunetly will be stuck in limbo etc etc Same if it goes with lore of cities and other things. As i remember i have Mwagi Expanse, Book of The Dead, Core Player Guide and Bestiary. Was wondering to get corebook where is Thraumaturge but i guess i will hold on it for now
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5:35 adding your wounded value was already errated.
6:07 Ranger: Exists
Frick me, I wouldve already received a moderate curse from my deity today, for anatheming the hell out of my sniffer.
I know it had to happen but the wizard school changes just don't feel right to me.
Nooo, Monk where are you.
So it is Pathfinder 2f?
They weren't rumors. WotC was going to screw over the industry until folks started cancelling their D&D Beyond subscriptions.
Actually, it was one of WotC major shareholders that forced WotC to back down.
They're still looking for ways to screw the industry I'm sure! Let's just hope their ambitions for a "walled garden" never go anywhere.
I am a new player not gona buy any book (me poor 😔) i just started learning rules for 2e should i leave that and start learning remastered?
They're basically the same. Most of the differences are in the terminology.
The new book will just clarify a lot of confusing spells and rename things from DND. It's the same game just with some alterations, older tutorials work fine
Your scimitar becomes possessed (by a gennie).snowball
Personally I still Play Pathfinder 1e
Well, they already did errata on the dying rules.
The OGL is the IP holder equivalent of the dealer giving away the first hit for free
No more tieflings?
That's what nephilim are.
@@xczechr right, stupid me
If you want to sum it up in as few words as possible, Remaster is a "Errata Plus".
But if you're a new player, you won't have any idea what "errata" even means.
@@eamk887 If you don't know the concept of errata or patchnotes, then no video can help you.
I playtested PF2e; it felt too much like D&D 4.0 which i hated. I'll stick with Classic PF
The dying rules changes didn't evens survive the first few days.
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With the consolidation of core rulebooks, a cleaner break from the D&D lineage, and more precise rules, this remaster is set to take Pathfinder to new heights. It's always a bit intimidating when changes like these happen, but it seems like Paizo is streamlining the experience for the better. Here's to a more vibrant, engaging, and epic Pathfinder world! 🎲💯
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1:33 Oh it was WORSE than cancel that they wanted to do! They wanted to commit THIEVERY!!! Plain, simple THIEVERY! They were trying to take MONEY and CONTENT from all the people who had made things under the OGL and they were basically going to own, the companies had NO SAY in what WotC could do with things from products printed for anything D&D.
It was disgusting and people should not have forgiven them they way many did because their "apology" only made things worse if you ACTUALLY listened to what they said!
Or stay with pf first edifiton like me
I love the corporate hellscape we live in!
Wait, there are people with money? Since when!?
YMBA? That you?
It was a document leak not a rumour though
There were rumors before the doc leak.
I thought the point was to make money during the holidays but okay
The new dying rule seems rather harsh. I guess if you have the wounded condition and you're up you better spend all your actions running away. May be more realistic, but maybe too realistic for heroic fantasy?
Technically this rule was in the CRB but it was differently written in multiple chapters. Noone seems to have noticed until now
Yeah, with these new rules, you're better off staying dying if you aren't 100% sure you won't be hit if you get up. If you do go down for a second time, it's almost guaranteed that you will die.
A lot of people will be ignoring these new rules to dying, so it's up to GMs to decide which rules they want to use.
Run 30 feet away and drink a healing potion. Then used ranged attacks for the rest of the combat until you have 10 minutes for a treat wounds.
The thing about heroic fantasy is that often someone does die which shows that the situation is serious and motivates the hero to avenge the fallen. It sucks if it is your character, but character death is absolutely part of a great story.
I also personally think it's a less intuitive system than just adding wounded to your initial dying value. I think the idea of the system that everyone ran with gets across the point Paizo was making with the dying system fine enough to be honest.
This is what Hero Points are for.
about time to get out of the shadow of WOTC and become the best game out there.
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Now it's "Vitality comment" 🙃
I wasn't impressed with 2e in the first place, and I've heard Witch is sort of trampling on Alchemist's turf... when Alchemist was shit already. And the only real good part about 2e next to 1e is already an optional rule for 1e in the Unchained Action Economy, though I think the removal of Alignment is just generally a good change simply out of "alignment was always terrible" also renaming spell levels to spell rank is good idea, see a certain early Order of the Stick page for why. Either way, I'm going to stick to 1e where I can.
i dont get why they didnt do a 3e.. its literally a new edition tbh
But it's still "Roll 11"? With new names. Nah.
Aka its because Wizards of the coast/Hasbro SUCKS.
Pathfinder 2.5 edition HEHE!
Looks like they made it even more fiddly. I will stick with Starfinder 1e and the OSR.
Champion*
pathfinder 2.1
pathfinder 2.1
Hasbro greed, boo.
Its just silly renaming for copyright reasons, innit?
That'll be $120, please!
@@AkecheThe changes should all be available for free on the archive of nethys I would hope...
I think the new books are aimed at new players. People who already have the older ones should get along fine with no additional purchase. I hope.
So they didn’t simplify the game? Too bad. Stuff like stealth skill is so complicated i gave up on the game.
I take a lot of issues with this video considering I'm an old guard 3.Xe player.
Lets start with: 3.5 is almost identical to 3.5, which is the same base ogl system (Open D20) as Pathfinder, but that are not 'Nearly identical'.
They are all D20 games, just like 4e, 5e, and Even PF2 are D20 games.
The OGL isn't really a peace treaty, its more like source code, made by the people who'd go on to make Pathfinder. It was created to make creating splat books and third party material easier and to make tabletop more accessible to everyone.
2e (And 5e) are kind of trash because of the changes. That's a can of worms. To sum it up: missing content, less rules, less availability to act.
Alignment was probably the best thing to happen to D&D. The best thing to happen to tabletop, and really its a creation from even earlier editions from when Rolemasters and TSR had hold of it. There is one problem with Alignment: People refuse to learn how it works. A characters actions, dictate their alignment. not the other way around. Which is why we have this new system, its a dumbing down. Its worse.
You shouldn't have to release rules and books later for people to grasp all the core ideas. Its part of why the OLG exists, and its a money grab.
To be honest, the changes in terminology hurt the most. Language matters. I'll leave that there, as it should be obvious.
Screeching Nerd! 😂
@@lnflnltyLegend And?
Aren't you passionate about your hobbies, or do you simply exist?
I still hate new dying rules - it endorses saving 1 hero point for plain survaval which is not heroic at all and etc.
I will still use it the same way i did whiout additional wounded scores each check, its too much of "almost automatic death", especcially if foes are nearby.
Its much more dramatic to have foes stab dying hero to have him almost dead while the foe had wasted 1 action instead of already always almost dead hero UNLESS they keep hero point for that only. Damn it.
And I hate the way people misread the Dying rules, there are no "new" rules, because it encouraged people to just yo-yo heal their way to victory.
Monk is gone so I won’t be buying it. Monk and magus are my favorite classes. And I’m not seeing either of them.
Player Core 2 probably. They couldn't possible fit all the classes into one book.
ugh monks have been around since 1975 and i started playing when 3rd edition came out. i have played monk in every version since. in my opinion its the only class you cant truely break. @@XanderHarris1023
Literally in player core 2
Sorry but it still feels more like a "we're not selling enough books. how do we squeeze more $$$$ out of the marks?" but then I run too many rouges...
This is a better explanation than anything on Paizo's website but still...
To sum it up as simply and clearly as possible, Wizards of the Coast threw caution into the wind at the start of this year by threatening a hefty tax on anyone who had used and would in the future use any OGL content. This was walked back due to (understandably) heavy outcry from everyone, but the threat still remains for the future. Paizo's response was to draft their own open license (ORC) and to excise all OGL content from Pathfinder 2e to protect themselves in the future. Some OGL concepts such as alignment and magic schools were more deeply baked into the system than just terminology and required rebuilding from the ground up, meaning that the changes had to be more sweeping than just releasing an errata document of new terms and printing future books with the new terms instead. Since they had to rewrite the core books anyway, they additionally took the opportunity to make many more additions, clarifications, and changes to make the game better for everyone. The new books do appear to have a significant amount of altered or completely new content judging by reviews from people who got them early, so you're not just buying the same books you already bought again.
Also, it's hard to see money as a motivating factor when all of the content from these books is going to be officially available online for free on the release date.
And before they announced that they will make the old books useless they arrange a big sale.
They trick everyone to buy the old useless books.
Trash company.
Dude, they ran out of their year's supply early in February during the OGL debacle. It's not a greed thing, it's a distance themselves from the OGL and WotC/Hasbro thing.
@@LegendofFantasy As I say, I tend to view things from certain points of view. To keep out from Hasbro = good. The actual changes? Remains to be seen in actual play.
Paizo has been making great sales recently due to the OGL incident. Definitely not an issue of trying to make up for low sales.
"Why the change?" Money
Wizard Schools: Hope you like there being restrictions on your spell choices now.
Alignments: Removing them is a mistake, most players won't bother with edicts/anathema.
Related, in the same book they're removing Alignment. They for some reason didn't include the other class highly dependent upon Alignment. Champion. Have fun for the next eight months!
Finally for the last bit... If you play online with Foundry, you can get fucked! Because people who do not work for Paizo have made the decision on what remains accessible for you. Hope you didn't spend a lot of money on the official adventure modules! Whoopsie!
The changes are to sever all ties with DnD. I think that's became obvious by now. If you haven't lived under a rock for the last year you might have heard a bit about the OGL controversy. The wizard schools make sense, I don't know what's the problem here. I applaud getting rid of alignment. Concepts like edict/anathema make much more sense and other games had this for years or decades. The whole idea of alignment is just lazy. Even back when we played AD&D 2e we didn't use that stupid stuff.
I don't like the alignment system or the anathema system. I was hoping it would all go away...
Unnecessary remaster, Hasbro is powerless after their heist attempt.
The point is the money grab, thats the point behind every edition of DND past second…