Guns dont wear out they get left behind
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Most people have a bucket of old busted holsters, but Ben has a bucket of old busted guns.
Most people get bored of a gun or move to a different platform long before they ever wear out irreplaceable components 😂
This
Almost any part can be fixed or replaced. Unless it's no longer available anywhere.
All that's true except "irreplaceable" is not the case- they will get squirrel brain to collect the next safe queen well before any base-spring has been worn IN lmao.
@@JohnZ556**laughs in machine shop**
ikr. bro is talking about putting literal tens of thousands of dollars in ammo through these guns. you could buy brand new guns easily if money doesnt matter lmao. i can buy 9mm ammo for .37 a round right now online. lets say you can buy it for 0.15 a round. $0.15 x 150,000 = $22,500. through that first gun he showed he literally put over $20,000 worth of ammunition through it, enough to buy that gun outright x10 over.
Wearing a gun out is so rare. Major frame cracks and broken rails will do it, but that usually takes decades and/or 10s to 100s of thousands of rounds. If you work at a gun store or manufacturer, you'll see far more guns that are broken beyond repair because the parts they need to fix them aren't made anymore. Guns that suffered some irreparable damage to the serialized component are super rare.
This is 10,000 times more true for normies and “average” competitive shooters like me. We’ll trade or switch to a new gun every year or two or three and never get close to actually wearing something out.
Thank you so much for responding to my question. I appreciate it.
Ben’s Island of Misfit Guns 😂 🏝️
I'm just impressed at the amount of ammo Ben goes through. I assume he's sponsored.
We have my great grandfathers 1941 M1911A1, I have no idea how many rounds have been through it, but at 83 years old it still shoots beautifully.
I have a 110 year old shotgun. It's gotten A LOT of use. It rattled with the firend on, the barrels were off face, and the top lever was completely worn out. I've done a lot of work to it, and there's still a little bit more work to do, but it should be back in good working condition for light 2½ inch loads once that's all done. Parts wear out, but they can be replaced.
I have my Great Grandfather's Winchester Model 12 made in 1918. It still shoots good.
Hey Ben - your video makes me so envious, not only of your current stockpile, but also your ability to acquire more. In Canada we're now unable to buy or import new handguns so now it's what you've got is what you've got. This has changed people's attitude and relationships with their now priceless and worthless collection. Preventative maintenence and spare part hoarding seems to be the focus for the near future... 😢
You can get more parts by ordering a handgun through irunguns. They'll strip it and give you everything besides the registered part
After i bought my main (P30L, polymer frame), i found an article about someone putting 90k rounds through one in a year. Eventually, the frame itself broke.
Unless you're running full power 10mm or 9mm Major, you could shoot a metal framed pistol from today until you die and be fine. You might run into the Ship of Theseus in 30 years, but that's not as likely as you would think.
Aluminum probably not, steel frame yeah
90k rounds kicks ass considering the firing regimen they had that P30 on.
To be fair, the P30 was going through some intense heat cycles during said testing. There are polymer USP's with well-documented round counts (and they weren't broken when these counts were recorded, either): one 9mm at over 200k and one 45 at almost 300k.That said, metal guns made from good designs by quality manufacturers rock and are highly durable. Everyone should have at least one if they have anything they'd call a collection. My main pistol is the HK45, but I am enamored of 1911s, Beretta 92s, CZ-75s, Jericho 941s, and revolvers both single-action and double. They all have a place with me.
@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd good point, I think we can get too caught up in the theoretical and let perfectly good guns slip by because we worry about maintenance stats that an armorer for a tier-1 unit or similar level of shooters would. Mega-optimization isn't necessary, even for them, although it does mean they have less work to do over time.
@45calibermedic very true, they were putting some pretty intense round counts through that thing in very short periods of time.
Wore out an xdm inside of a year using the slide stop as a slide release. Metal rounded out in the notch.
Iv seen a single lower wear out on an ar15 rifle but it took A Lot of full auto in 9mm direct blowback to egg the pin holes out. It was a test bed and a rental gun for a range and had a few hundred thousand rounds.
Most of the times iv seen barrels die, springs die but have never seen a frame die.
Iv seen a Glock frame reach failure but it went through multiple barrels doing that.
Interesting. Do you happen to know the spring/buffer/bolt combination in that AR9 or what was most often run?
@@robertozee5024 was a fairly old setup was a colt pattern kit with a fairly light buffer from what I remember. It did the classic failure kns pins are designed to protect against. Was mainly run in full auto
@@jediknight1294 that tracks. The 5.7 oz solid steel colt buffer seems to have been chosen for manufacturing expediency.
Thanks for the reply!
Good Video , thanks
Just like the Fabulous Hudson Hornet.
Real
Real.
oh the car reference to rock hudson, the guy who famously died of aids? i bet you missed the "oil check" reference in the movie
On the S2. Extra power extractor spring with half a coil trimmed off will fix that thing indefinitely. I had to do that on 3 different S2s lmfao. Bonus points you don't have to clean the extractor anymore.
Ben didn’t talk about his hipoint with 20k rounds through it
I guess you missed it
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Is that true
@@SoccerVJ2011 would be pretty badass wouldn’t it
He should do a Hi Point after the staccato experiment lol
@@noah.s95He already did. There’s a video called “The Ultimate Hi Point” that Ben consulted with.
great video Ben
It takes a motor somewhere between hours and years to ruin its contained parts, depending on its care. A gun pretty much requires complete neglect to “wear out,” like many things in this world.
I've shot out rifle barrels in competition, but that's about it
@@bb5242 I read that and I think about how “race car” motors need to be rebuilt often to ensure proper running, something the average car owner would need to do after a decade *as long as they take care of it.*
Try chiappa brand guns. Have experience with 4 of em and they all wore out to the point they won't work or won't shoot, by 3 or 4 range trips in
On my Stock II I have put a couple of "conversion kits" which is the barrel and slide.....nthe lugs wear out
Hey Ben do you mind just sending me one of your left behind guns. Any one your choice thanks my friend.
Kind of like old cars.. cuba showed after U.s. embargo they could keep the old us cars running til today, and that is all cars pre 1962. You go there and still see pre 62 cars still running tip top shape, nice paint. Helps thats the era stuff was more made to last, but when you have no other option people find a way to fix and keep things going. Replacing barrels, springs etc is usually too much to ask for some folks, I however want to keep the same edc for my lifetime, and enjoy training with and maintaining it. I already started collecting parts that will eventually ware out and learning how to install them, so I can be my own armorer, and keep it running well as long as I am.
Only gun I wore out was a Nagant M1895 revolver. Russians somehow built a gun where the cylinder was of a softer metal than the hand. The hand should wear away over time, not the cylinder face... The hand is easy to replicate and replace, not so much for a cylinder. The timing marks were integral to the cylinder, requiring a new cylinder to bring it back into firing condition. I guess
I could have bought another gun to cannibalize or could have had it microwelded and machined.
They go to the island of misfit guns
The Glock haters are howling
My assault rifle in military was manufactured in 1982, it had been used for almost 45 years non stop when i got it. Still worked, but had some weird malfunctions with the trigger etc. I suspect it had something to do with the wear of the internals or trigger group idk. Was still very accurate tho.
Ben, I think CZ might have had a less than stellar run of extractors a year or so ago. It's worth considering.
Tell everyone how you fit that new slide on the stock 2!! Hahahaa
Which pistol is that first one he pulls out? That thing looks great
Noooo
Had a range qualification with a 1911a1 .45 in Grafenwöhr, Ge (1992).
It was WW1 vintage and had a "million rounds" though it. It rattled like a can of spraypaint with huge gaps at the contact bearing points. The barrel was so shot out, I couldn't see where the bullets were striking @ the engagement targets 5-15 yards.
Shot a 29 of 30 with a berretta 9mm, barely qualified with that pos .45cal.
Sounds like that gun was a perfect candidate for barrel/slide replacement but was neglected. The same was seen with M9s toward the end of the design's time as the service pistol. For some reason, the military likes to run stuff until it dies.
CZ pistols seem have stability issues after 30000 rounds, that’s not a surprise compared to HK
Guns very rarely wear out for ordinary shooters but they can break depending on the quality. I have had firing pins break and some other breakages but especially with stuff like .22 or 9mm it's really hard shooting out a barrel or a bolt or whatever. When I was in the army you could actually see worn out assault rifles because they've been shot over and over and over and over again but unless if you have a combination of an astronomic amount of money and time you will basically never achieve the same result.
Depends! My original SV .40 from 1994 has been rebuilt 3 times. It's fired 171,000 actual rounds ( no guess, logged usage ) along with a 2nd SV that has 106,000 logged rounds. The smith who kept them running with new top ends all these years retired so they don't get beat on anymore. A third USPSA gun, a DP STI Edge Dave built cracked a frame at its first rebuild and had to be trashed. Why get left behind? Use them and rebuild them but the SV frames have better steel!
It depends on the individual gun. My personal Glock has at least 200,000 rounds through it.I know others who have Glocks with well over 300,000 through them. Chuck Taylor had a school Glock which at last report had about 740,000 through it. One of my Colt .45s had 25,000 rounds through it when the disconnector failed.
Mk.23 , USP, SP5, P30 and so on
Forgive me if this is a silly question but when it comes to cars, advanced machine shops can internally weld broken engine blocks. Its a relatively new process but its mainly used to save rare engine blocks that cant be replaced. I’ve seen them weld entire chunks that sheared off back on and you can not see a physical difference at all. It welds it by sending the arc internally through the crack or two pieces meant to mated together so the bond is 100% secured vs having just the outside welded together like a traditional stick welder would do.
I guess my question is, would broken frame rails or a receiver REALLY be the end of the firearm with this type of technology available? Or is it more about it being worth the money for the repair vs replacement? Im guessing for a handgun it would probably be around a grand to get something like this done.
Hi Ben, which pistol you prefer, Tanfoglio or Shadow 2?
What’s the most amount of rounds you have in a Glock?
Parts wear out and need replacement. I think you mean to say that.
The frame on a gun is still just a part. So as you shoot the gun, parts will wear out in a mostly comprehensive schedule. Sears, Barrels, Frames, Slides, Mags, all parts of the gun, have their life span and will wear out. But its kind of a Ship of Theseus thing.
What's the round count on the berettas?
Yeah so the thing with any material is when it comes in contact with any other material, there is wea. No matter how small and incalculatable as it might seem. There is always wear. Vibrations. Heating and cooling so there's going to be some sort of warping. No metal is perfect and there will never be a perfect firearm
Note to self: don't buy a CZ, they wear out.
In the event of an overbooking or certain other unscheduled events which prevent travel: THE FAA ALREADY REQUIRES YOU BE PAID BY THE COMPANY. That was a check tho...
I bought several police trade in handguns, so one could argue thwy were worn out when I bought them
Guns absolutely do get worn out but it takes generations or protracted industrialized warfare.
I have a gun that I previously considered worn out. I guess technically its just "left behind". The frame itself is still serviceable and I could just replace the entire slide assembly plus whatever is causing the grip safety to not work. Its a 45 year old 1911 though I think its going to stay left behind.
Sell it to me what state u in
How long did your Beretta 92s last?
Search for his video on CZcams were he goes through his high mileage as in over 100k rds Beretta 92’s
If this isn't already the title of a country song it should be
HK and no worries! Not joking btw
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Toy Story 5: The Left Behinds.
Monsters Inc. Stoegers Closet
What would you recommend, if I am in an scenario where a few guns I currently have now are the last guns (and parts) I will ever get because of law change? Because this is the situation I'm in right now in my country.
Get a bunch of the springs and maintenance parts that you need. You'll probably barely use them in your lifetime, but you'll have insurance. What designs, if I may ask?
@@45calibermedic Glock 21, CZ Shadow 2, Canik Rival-S
200,000 rounds??? At today's ammo prices, for .45acp, medium grade, that's roughly $200,000 worth of ammo. You've got to be kidding.
Uhhhh nope
"Guns dont wear out." Immediately describes one of his guns wearing out. lol
Tell this to the SKS or Mac 90 that is sitting in the pawn shop, waiting for someone stupid enough to buy them. There is a certain thing as being "shot to death"
You should sell the old ones for charity or something
who can afford to fire a gun 200k times?
Ben's an eccentric in the gun world and that's usually great, but this take weirds me out. I got 30k rounds through an S1 and the only thing that ever broke were the trigger spring and the slide catch. Initially I used it for bull's eye shooting and put a few thousand hot Magtech 95gr SP through it. I live a 45min train ride or drive away from a great CZ armorer and don't think there's anything he could not fix. I'd rather fix my familiar guns than switch make or model and lose some hard earned gains. And money. And slots on my permit (gun law limits the number of guns I may own), I'd have to hand it in at the station to be melted or unload it onto a sucker in a P2P sale.
Some of are in free states so we can change guns like underwear.
I can see Ben’s POV to where he doesn’t want to chase issues. Like a shade tree mechanic changing a battery when it’s the alternator that’s the issue
True, being able to simply buy another gun legally is a factor. But IMHO ppl still lose money buying a replacement instead of paying a gunsmith for his time and parts. And they lose familiarity if they switch to another model. However, I have no idea how much changing guns sets you back. All I'm ever behind is two nearly identical CZs.
I have a .380 Bryco model 38 with a missing loaded chamber indicator, a completely floppy plastic trigger, and a cracked barrel thats built into the metal frame. Safe to say it would cost a substantial amount to even begin to repair it. I think new they're worth $100
Glocks don't last forever. Lots of them fracture inside and they aren't on the customers side on that one. If one would replace springs maybe every 10k rounds lots of pistols live longer.
Ben you are the expert and in general I agree. But I wore out an Sig 320 Legion. Change barrel but that didn’t help. I think the rails wore out. I guess I consider myself lucky because it didn’t try and shoot me.
So the gist of this video is, although guns never break, all your guns are broken 😂.
How many handguns you got ben?
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That's worse than asking a lady how much see weighs.
Ben, does the different grip angle of the Glock and the Staccoto affect you?
Like the song goes "old soldiers never die, they simply fade away"
I'll give ya 50 bucks for some of those. :)
I want your old gun
I put like 7000 rounds through my glock 19 and had bought all the wear parts to replace at 10,000 rounds, then I got the performance trigger and the one I got had an issue with the bottom of the trigger hanging up on the frame and I sent the whole pistol to Glock and they replaced all the wear components for free, so now I don’t even need to use the spare parts I bought.
Lemme buy some of your old guns ben!!!
So they don’t wear out they get left behind hmmmm ok. So all of the guns you pointed out wore out and now they are left behind . So don’t you mean guns wear out and then get left behind ?
"It's just easier to set this gun aside and get more... I have more money than you and you're stupid for not having as much money as me." wish he would've said that, lmao!
200k rounds...... bs
Hi Ben, I enjoy and appreciate your channel and the time you put into making it. Below is a question and I'd love to hear your response.
I having a question for you that I have asked several barrel makers and other manufacturers, and I wanted to compare your response to the only company who replied specific enough to do so.
My question to them and to you was/is: What is the preferrable headspace on a life and liberty 5.56 AR that will shoot .223 & 5.56 brass & steel?
Faxon was the most specific by far in zeroing in on a number and recommended at least .004."
BCM's reply was thorough, but didn't give a specific number. Their answer delved into the pros and cons of tight vs loose.
Others were careful/lazy and replied as long as it's within MilSpec.
But, that leaves a large loose margin that BCM touched on and they said, looser is more reliable, but only to a point (they didn't quantify a headspace) because fouling will accelerate resulting in sticking cases.
So, Faxon's recommended 004" means your brand new 5.56 should swallow/take the .223 NoGo guage (1.4666").
Just for reference the guage numbers are:
.223 Go 1.4636"
5.56 Go 1.4646"
.223 NoGo 1.4666"
5.56 NoGo 1.4696"
5.56 Field/Max 1.4736"
So, it seems some looseness is preferred, but how much because it can cause a problem down the road.
Where do you like your rifles?
BYW, ive googled this topic a bunch and can't find the information.
My brother in Christ, Ben is an ape. He dry fires nerf guns for fun. I don't think he cares about building these things. What is the purpose of your rifle/question?
This would be a great question for School of the American Rifle here on CZcams.
.223 no-go gauge only matters for .223 specific chambers. Most every manufacturer just uses the 5.56mm chamber for both cartridges since .223 will fit into 5.56mm. Faxon’s recommendation is to have headspace pass the 5.56mm no-go gauge check, and be preferably more than that, which is proper because once you pass the no-go gauge it becomes risky for case rim blowouts. As a gun barrel wears the headspace will increase and accuracy will suffer until you start getting stuck casings and eventually light primer strikes or poor extractor engagement and slippage.
Another testimony about the reliability of a Glock by a pro.
Yes
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