SIDE BY SIDE BREWDAY ON THE GRAINFATHER S40 & G40 | THE MALT MILLER
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- čas přidán 9. 10. 2021
- BrewDay Numbers Below!
We had the exact same grain bill in both machines, shooting for the same OG of 1.039 and a 40l batch size:-
G40
39.5L wort collected
OG - 1.046
81.5% Brewhouse Efficiency
S40
34L wort collected (3l more collected after the sparge so 37l total)
OG - 1.050
83% Brewhouse Efficiency
In this weeks video we take the 2 newest systems from @GrainfatherAllGrainBrewing , the S40 & G40, and put them to the test side by side. We're brewing the mighty Five Points Best Bitter recipe featured in @TheCraftBeerChannel video • Five Points Best: how ... .
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We scaled the malt bill up to a 40l batch and then did exactly the same kit on each system to see just how the efficiency turned out.
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We learnt loads about how the system work, their differences and how they stack up. The results where surprising in many ways! Also, if you want to see how this beer turns out then make sure to come along to BrewCon London in Nov 2021 as we will be serving this beer, along with some others, on our stand.
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Great video! Would love to get my hands on a G40 after my Brewzilla died, looks like it’s time to start saving!
I just got the S40 and right away rigged up a pulley system to lift the grain basket. This also solved the sparge issue as I can suspend the basket over the kettle.
Whoohoo got a mention !
Great content fellas. I was at one point, so desperate to get my hands on a bigger system and may well do in the near future. I like the G40, it’s a good happy medium and i prefer there being no pipe in the middle of the grain basket. That said, I’m still happy with my G30! But would love to see grainfather come out with some nice updated features that the G40/70 use.
Believe me we are on their case! Updated grain basket or filters, we will let you know;)
@@themaltmiller8438 that’ll be absolutely perfect, thank you 🙏🏻. I have the bells two hearted premium kit to brew this weekend 😋 i can’t wait
Great video fellas, the upgrade-itis of being a home brewer. I'll look forward to seeing you at BrewCon.
Can’t wait! 😉
Excellent 👌🏼 vid guys! Well worth the wait!
Few good reasons to save up for the g40!
When are you expecting stock arriving?
Oh, and Thanks for the shout out 😆 haha
We always love reading comments and hearing questions so keep them coming!
Looks like Thursday 14th October
I made a filter for the S40 that works well. Just buy the filter of the G30 and shorten it to 4.5-5 cm. It can then be put on the pump hole at the bottom of the S 40 and it holds in place, because it is stuck between the wall and the nut. It does not interfere with its size the grain basket. Because I also have the G30, I now use the S40's pump and the G30's counter-flow chiller to cool the wort and pump it to the fermenter, when I brew with the S40.
Clever idea!!
That's a cracking idea, commenting before I see the result but my guess is the G40 is both faster and more efficient.👍🍺
You would be surprised just how efficient the S40 is! Both are great systems we’ve come to find, they just hit different points in the market 👍🏻
Informative and interesting video, my only concern is if the built in pump fails out of warranty is a repair possible?
GF have excellent aftercare, we can’t comment on what the solution would be so perhaps reach out directly to them, they are lovely!
yeah, that's what I though about the recirculation spreader, going to be oxidising it...
but still like another viddy of this S40 they also did not show the quality of the rolling boil....
I mean with a good boil can destroy cyanide eh! and evaporate off all sorts of crap in the water...
from the short clips of boil you showed did not seem exactly vigorous compared to my swan doing 25 litres...
and you could have done a side by side of the boil on each... but did not...
apart from that... quite pro!
The boil is great on both buddy, we have brewed a few times with them now and happy to say they both do a great job
Hey there! Great video! I love the holders / wall brackets for the chiller and sparger! Is there a blueprint/instructions how to build sth like this? As i have not much space in my cellar, that would be a gamechanger when having a brewday. Thanks in advance!
Hey Philipp, sorry, we don't have a blueprint as such. If you want to email in I will send over some detailed photos if you like.
Really informative video, thanks for sharing. I think I might have to buy a G40 off you once my G30 dies. That does mean bigger fermenters, more corny kegs etc etc etc etc. 🤔😂
great video, as a G70 owner, do you think GF will produce a similar grain basket for the G70 without the middle overflow pipe? This would be a game changer for me
🤔 not that we know of…
Hey Siri "Great video"! :)
Nice video!
Witch system was most effective , witch numbers did you get out from s vs g system?
We will add the full numbers to the video description in the next few days 👍🏻
Great video. Would the Grainfather hop spider fit the S40 and if so, would the system then be OK to use with hop pellets?
We’ve not tried yet but in theory yes. It’s not how the system is designed though so we can’t say we would recommend it at this point. The hop spider definitely fits.
Do you use a mash jacket for your grainfathers? Also with a mash re-circ i presume this must give you a consistant temp reading from top to bottom?
Hey! No we don’t use jackets on the ones in our brew school as the warehouse is a decent temperature but if that’s not the case for your brewing space then they are a great option. On the two systems in this video we found the mash temp to be consistent and in general a recirculating mash will give you a more stable temperature throughout 👍🏻🍻
I have a s40 and the Vienna Lager Kit from the Malt Miller just wondering what mash and boil volumes you used
If you plug the recipe into the Grainfather app it will tell you what water volumes to use. When we brewed the Vienna Lager it was on a G70 so it will differ to the S40 👍🏻
Great video.. would love to see how they get on with smaller grain bills.. say 20l of
Good suggestion, we will see if we can run that test at some point 👍🏻
Do you know if grainfather will update the G30 basket design to mirror the new G40, which seems to have many advantages.
Not that we know of currently 👍🏻
How about using the S40, for Worting, as a pressure cooker to isomerise the hop faster and reducing boiling time? Sorry if its a stupid question but I'm a newbe and I'm looking for options. Cheers 👍
I’m not sure what you are trying to describe?
Just bought the s40. Should have bought the g model instead.
Didn’t realize there were so many differences.
S40 is great, we have tried both out a few times and whilst you have lots of great features on the G series you also have tons on the S40! The Pump is exceptionally good as is the grain basket design!
ahhhrghh 3:49 fruit fly get some fly tape up !!!
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How have you added a bazooka filter to the s40 pump. I have the same issue with the brew monk.
Hey! The filter is on the tap, not the pump.
We’ve not figured out an option to that yet except a hop spider 🕷
@@themaltmiller8438 I was just trying to work that out myself... all the hop filters I've seen have a male thread on them, and the thread at the bottom of the S40 is also a male thread. And even if I found the right coupler, I don't think there's enough clearance from the bottom of the unit.
I currently have a 300micron 10x25cm hop spider... with the S40, do you reckon there's much to gain from getting, say, the Mangrove Jack's 800micron 15x30cm one? I got the finer one cos I've only used pellet hops so far - and I'm also wondering if the larger surface area would make a significant difference.
@@themaltmiller8438 I made a filter for the S40 that works well. Just buy the filter of the G30 and shorten it to 4.5-5 cm. It can then be put on the pump hole at the bottom of the S 40 and it holds in place, because it is stuck between the wall and the nut. It does not interfere with its size the grain basket. Because I also have the G30, I now use the S40's pump and the G30's counter-flow chiller to cool the wort and pump it to the fermenter, when I brew with the S40.
Please can you post a link to the hop filter used to modify the tap? I want to do something similar on my brewzilla so I can drain wort out of the tap. Thanks.
Hey! Keep an eye on our website, it will be coming soon!
@@themaltmiller8438 do you have the filter upgrade on the site yet?
how long does it take for the s40 to get to boil temp from ~65˚c?
Fully depends on the volume you are working with but to get from around 80c to 100c is about 20mins, which you can start to ramp up to whilst you are sparging the grain basket
why the use of whole leaf? surely you could gather more isomerization and less clean up from T90
Hey Josh, generally speaking yes you are correct however this recipe kit comes directly from the recipe that Five Points Brewery use and they use whole leaf in their brew. This means we're getting as close to the real beer as we can 👍🏻
Hi did you add the figures
Added them now 👍🏻
great videos, but u guys got to invest in some lapel mics. Cant hear you guys !!!
Done!! We now have some very good microphones, audio has always been an area for us to perfect as we are in a live warehouse environment. Sorted now!! Check out some of our latest videos for comparison!
Still no notes on the brew day numbers?
Added now!!! Thanks for the reminder 😉
is it just my computer or is the sound level way low ?
We’re always working to improve sound quality as we film live in the warehouse while the team are working. It means we have a constant balancing act of trying to eliminate background noise and the quality of the audio we capture. 👍🏻
@@themaltmiller8438 Thanks, wasnt a criticism, i just seem to have watched a few vids with low sound today and thought it was the computer
Hello can i save my recipe at the S 40
You can save the recipe to the app and use the app to manage your brew day timings but the app and 40 don't talk to one another, you have to program the S40 manually.
You were going to add the numbers to the comments?
We will get them added soon 👍🏻