Master Technician, Is it REALLY Worth It?
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2016
- Today we look at becoming a master certified automotive mechanic, or master technician if you prefer. It is a mixed bag of good and not so good. In the end, It is really up to you.
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I've only been in the industry for a few years, but I've met two completely different types of Master Techs. One has been in the industry for 25 years, started from the bottom, couldn't take a test to save his life, but he knows *most* everything I could think of when I tried to pick his brain on cars (haven't came across an question I could ask that he didn't know or know how to get). The other has been in the industry for 8 years, super bookworm and master test taker. He isn't as on the spot knowledgeable as the first M/T, but like the first, he knew how to get the answer. There was nothing on a ticket I was afraid to give these guys, and they will always have my utmost respect for earning their title regardless of how they got there.
I am a Ford and Honda Master tech, and the reason I went through so much work, is for a personal goal. I feel like I have done the best I can do in my career, and that gives me motivation to do the very best I can, each and every time, in every job I do.
What I would say to anybody that achieves this level however, is to make sure you are rewarded for your hard work. And above all, never Ever think that you are above anybody else, and like Charles said, do not be too proud to ask for help.
wow!! This is the same path I plan on going. Been a shade tree forever and now I'm back in school to get my AA in auto repair and doing the honda pact at the same time, after I get that all done I want to go through the ford program as well
Dope Stick best of luck!
Daniel who's Charles.
+brett Smith that would be me. ;)
I'm with you! Plus I love pugs. But the reality of the test is I learned more in field then study guide.
The only benefit of having a master cert is that with it you can essentially get a job anywhere you want. In a dealer, it means either you get no recognition because management doesn't care about it or you get stuck with all the time consuming diag work.
I am an ASE master and I can prove my skill. recently my shop had another "ASE master" who could only pass tests. he was so bad that he needed help changing an inner tie rod. I feel like there should be a practical test in order to earn the master qualification.
+omnipotent87 damn!!!!
There are so many programs now that churn out paper certified people like an assembly line, it's embarrassing to those of us who put in the effort to learn the trade and get the experience.
how about every ase test is live meaning your tested by skills while working on customer cars .
Steve A
In a perfect world, that's exactly how it should be! Sadly, the time and resources required to do it makes it impractical. The ASE requirements are intended to make test-takers get real-world experience, but it's a difficult thing to verify, and I imagine a lot of people falsify their experience to take the test.
rhkips well of course they do , I've taken my cars to a few shops and ended up screwed over in the end . So I put my experience and schooling to use and learned and now I fix my own vehicle . To me a piece of paper that says you passed a test doesn't mean shit unless you can back it up with your work .
Make sure they pay you for it. All dealers want and need master techs, but they often only want to pay service tech wages...
This is what needs to be understood. There is a glut of people coming out of trade schools that have been pumped up and given a title. Some of them may be true Techs, but most of them are seat fillers that feel entitled to start at the top. They have destroyed the cache that used to come with the "Master Tech" title. I came up through apprenticeship and was forced to learn the hard way. You learn the basics then move to the next level. It takes approximately 10,000hrs of dedicated work to master your craft, there are no shortcuts. I've been doing this professionally for about 25 years, over 30 years all in. I still learn new things every day. I know guys that have decades in that treat it like a job, they have all their SAE's and command a decent wage. These clock-punchers have no understanding how engine management works and don't care to learn. They change parts, if that doesn't fix it, they change some more parts. They have spent no time learning diagnostics and they don't care to learn. Yet, these guys, the paper Master Techs, believe they are on the same level as those who take it seriously and have taken the time to learn their craft properly. I get nothing but blank stares when I try to explain how engine management or control systems work, then I'm considered an asshole for highlighting their weakness. If you make more than me, you should be able to out work or out think me, makes sense? This industry is filled with know nothing, entitled clock-punchers that are driving wages down. They suck up to management, talk themselves up to the point of believing it, and backstab anyone who exposes their lack of skill. I'm generally considered a threat when I go somewhere new, because I'm good at what I do. These clock-punchers hold onto their jobs like grim death and try to drive anyone talented away.
@@garysawyers8730 A piece of paper will never replace my (40) years of Hands on Experience. I laugh at a Paper Master Tech. If He earned that Certification- then I'll respect Him. Lets see if a Paper Master Tech can Diagnose a Car that has (5) Engine Computers from Germany. Most of them would be lost- because the Car is too sophisticated for them to diagnose properly.
I worked as a mechanic 20 years ago but did not like the business. The owners son would charge customers for work that was written up but not done because of time restraints and still charge the customer. So I went into computers. After a number of years and certifications in that field I learned the only thing that certifications are good for are future employers. They help you get the job. And if you are good at what you do and certified, you can change jobs and get a bigger pay raise than staying at the same place. Loyalty does not pay.
James Taylor lol you were prob working on Nissans and hondas you want 6 figure pay you gotta deal with richer ppl location is key and so is the shop you work at and the cars you work on
"...if you are good at what you do AND certified, you can change jobs and get a bigger pay raise than staying at the same place." Good point, James. Plus options to work independently.
It's worth striving for both, starting with whatever level of certification one can get. More often than not it's better than no certification.
there is nothing like working at a dealership and receiving a master tech certified level.
I did the independent route and it sucks. I loved dealer work. constant schooling and learning that you just don't get with independent shops. not to mention always the proper special tools to do the jobs. that was sometime ago about 110 years ago that too many back surgery's fixed me out of the business. so good independent shops might have caught up more. but there is nothing that beats training, knowledge and experience.with automotive there is always something new to learn. I never turned down a chance to go to a school or class. yes other techs do have a problem think your brown nosing and stuff like that but those are the guys that don't take every opportunity to go to the classes or schooling.
100% agree
I am sorry and please excuse me for butting in. The humble Mechanic is 110% correct and maybe you some of you fail to see or don't care for an education. The one thing no one can take from you is knowledge and I would sure be proud of my self every time I set to do something and accomplish it. So my advice for those out there that are willing to put in the extra effort, listen to this guy.
thanks for the videos man, im going to a tech school to be a auto mechanic and your videos help me think about things I should consider in the mechanic field. I really appreciate these videos you do.
I know what you speak of with your peers. I'm that guy who works the extra hours, achieved the highest customer satisfaction awards, I know how to read and understand schematics, I'm not an auto tech, I'm an appliance tech who has reached the highest level called a Lead Mentor Tech for the largest home appliance repair company in North America and still learn something new every day. It took me years to learn to ignore the peers you speak of. I came to your channel just this week because I love Volkswagen, and you are a humble dude. Keep up the great videos and information. FYI, when I had my MK4 Jetta TDI, I did the Grease Car conversion and loved it. We now run a MK6 Jetta TSI and love it. Take care, Randy
This is an old video that i just now watched. I just turned 40 and am currently going to school to be a tech. It's been my dream to be a master vw tech for a while now, and I finally got the chance to chase that dream. Your videos are so inspirational, man. You remind me of a good friend who is also a certified master vw tech. I truly appreciate what you do. Thank you, and keep up the good work you do, sir 🤙
I always got very useful information from all those training schools. I never got why some technicians objected to the schools. I worked for AMC, GM, Chrysler, Ford and Mercedes. Somehow I missed working for a Volkswagen dealership. I found that the ratings had a positive effect on my career. Having all those badges on your jacket or shirt with the certificate mounted on your toolbox inspired confidence in you and your work by customers and employers. Now I know some technicians that forgot what was taught in the schools as soon as they finished taking the tests. I found that the information I got helped me diagnose those times when things popped up that were strange or unusual and none of the standard procedures provided data to help you find the problem.
Interesting. I have been in the motorcycle industry my entire life (just turned sixty) and I agree that there is a point at the ten to fifteen year mark that you have become a "Master Mechanic" and can handle pretty much anything handed to you. Having jumped through the hoops to become a "Certified Master Mechanic" for three of the four major Japanese brands, I can tell you it takes a different skill set to do so. My feelings are they are ALL good. No education is ever wasted and it just makes it easier to repair ANYTHING with a wider knowledge base. If you truly want to be the best in your field, do it all. For you. Everyone else's opinion is meaningless.
I think regardless of what negatives , it's important to get , I know a lot of local shops pay you more depending on how highly certified you are and ASE master techs can get almost 7-9 dollars more an hour if not working flat rate at some shops because of certification to master tech
first of congrats on your success I couldn't of agreed with you more I've been at the same independent shop for 15 years now have had my ase master and l1 for 8 years now I do every thing from oil changes to head gaskets, transmission overhauls, and drive ability diagnostics .I've invested a lot to have the tooling I own and the training I've gotten. this was all a self drive to prove it to me and no one else. I plan on taking the ase x1 next great videos keep it up
I've became Master with two manufactures in 22 years in the Dealers.
Yes there are a lot of Nay Sayers in the shop who will consider you a
paper champion or just good at taking tests. Truth be told the guy with
a good relationship with dealership management will get Master Certification
sooner provided the technician takes advantage of such opportunities.
I was never a shop politician, I'm kinda like Eric the Car Guy. I assume I was
sent to school enough to Master 2 car lines because I asked to go and have
spent most of my years as a top producer who is firm on making sure the store
invests in me. Yes it's worth it, higher pay is justified and job security as
the Dealer Ship has Service Training requirements making you essential.
Excellent video and discussion. I'm currently working on getting my certification.
good video man! Honestly if anything with becoming a master tech just having that on your resume alone should make it worth it. With the job market so competitive if you ever lose a job having an impressive resume will make life 10Xs easier down the road.
I agree with almost all that you said in this video. I've been working on cars since high school as a hobby, spent the time learn my trade and get ASE certified. But like some viewers commented the customer really doesn't care about it. At the same time outside of the dealership or large service garage chains there is little encouragement by empoyers (shop owners) towards up and coming technicians to get certified. Hence why many shops have a high turnover or poor reputations. Either way I feel if you take pride in your work you would make the effort to learn more about what you do regardless of trade.
IMO, hell no. Being a Ford master tech just meant getting all the warranty work that doesn't pay as well as retail while the service techs got all the gravy 30/60/90k jobs.
The reward for being a Ford MT or SMT is that the more you know, the less you make! I'm very close to just needing my tenure to get my SMT and I couldn't agree more, I only want it so I can get my stupid magnet and plaque and pry a couple extra dollars an hour out of my manager's pocket.
It would be nice to say congratulations to the person that has worked hard for that goal. But unfortunately most mechanic are haters. Every mechanic think they know everything.
Many do. :(
Yep
Yea I’ve shadowed two master techs at this point. One guy was self taught and the most humble person I have ever met. The one I am shadowing now is very very very strict and disciplined. I miss working with the self taught guy to be honest. What a wonderful experience.
you nailed it.... my advise is....if you are a master tech....don't get it into your head....never brag....prove it with action and not words....
At the dealer im at the Heavy Line guy is 22 and already a master ASE technician. I couldnt believe it and was amazed.
I went from 0 ASE because Ford didn't recognize them. Then I switched brands to Toyota where that's mandatory in order to move up. So I took A1-A8. Man i damn near cried when I passed my auto trans ASE. I learn by hands on. And I've be at taken apart an auto trans so applying a mental picture was hard. But anyways. All I have left is to fix my tenure with Toyota and I'm officially a Toyota Master technician. It's an amazing milestone that I've wanted since the beginning when I was 19. (Am 30 now). Sadly the industry has jaded me and I no longer find the field a joy. I lost my passion and can't we to rekindle it.
The problems are : when you are technician and have,like I have 7 ase certification and you looking for job ,the employer ask you ,and you show yours credentials , they say too many people are ase and are not good tech.When you show you are good they offer $600,00 a week and you have to work 53 hours.It is desapointed to us thats invested a lot money in tools in knowledge, in training,etc. I am desapointed with our profession. I would like the opinion from everyone ,i really appreciate. Moura.
Great subject and advice. Same in many other industries.
I've seen many become master techs simply because of being good at taking tests but in the shop would be reliant on others to help them in their work.
I agree.I'm not certified because A.D.D. makes schooling/test taking horrible for me.I am totally hands on.Ripping an Engine down is calming to me.I know a younger guy that is certified and needed help doing a wheel cylinder.I also know another older guy that was certified and a great hands on mechanic.It goes both ways.
You only need (2) years field experience to qualify to take the ASE Certification Test. I don't think that's long enough to hold that Fancy Title. It takes (5) years to meet the experience requirements to become a Master Plumber.
2 years can never replace my (40) years of field experience repairing Vehicles.
You are truly a humble mechanic. .
+Sean Jones thank you
Totally worth it! Major goal for me, it may be a wild goal, but I want to be master certified in several makes. If you haven’t guessed already I’m a strong believer in the more you know, & the more experience you have the better the pay and the better opportunity you have of being a better tech, and getting more work than Joe Schmo down the rack. Obviously on top of that comes your marketability and customer service skills but that’s a whole other talk...
I work in IT and certifications are even more rampant. Everything you've said about the auto industry applies 100% to my field.
I'm sure it's out there, but I'm surprised to hear some techs would get almost jealous of or resent someone who is a master. I've been one for 8 years now (ASE and Toyota master, working on MDT) and a large majority of our shop is master certified. I guess since a lot of us are we don't think much of it. MDT is something in striving to achieve personally, on top of master status you need L1 and the Toyota MDT which has to be passed every year. Tough but I'll get it.
my grandfather was a master he was very proud of it major life accomplishment
It's always worth it I worked hard to get that badge and I agree that it doesn't mean that you know everything i got my master certification after only a few years in the field but very quickly realized that their is a lot to learn everyday even with the certification. It was one of the biggest days of my life when I finally got that certificate but if you are really going to live up to it that day is just the beginning you can never stop trying to learn because the day you think you know it all is the day you should hang up your wrenches and walk away. On the plus side it does come with alot better pay if you just work for it and make it happen.
Great video ...
I'm a huge fan of your channel I'm working towards being an apprentice automotive technician in Canada. Now I don't know what your aspirations are, but I hope at some point you become a service manager because by the sounds of the many videos I've watched you sound like you're good with customers and with the people you work with. Anyways if you haven't given it much thought before I really think you'd make an amazing manager, but based on that you're assumably on flat rate it might not be worth it. I know here in Canada there are techs that make more money than others in leadership roles due to the flat rate system.
I am an ASE master tech it feels good to put the patch on my snap on jacket but with the patch comes a lot of responsibilities and stress I have to protect my title all the times i cant slack i cant cut corners i have to do the extra step of diagnosis torque wrench and wiring diagram for every little thing and tons of emissions coeds, so be prepared if you considering becoming a master tech
Exactly
Welcome to Maryland. I have been a Nissan Master technician since 1992. Started this journey in 1985 . Nissan incorporates ASE A1-A8 as mandatory to become a Master. I think VW is different , right . Being a Master has helped me keep up with all the new technology that keeps coming out. It seems to help out when dealing with Nissan personnel on the phone or during visits. I would not change a thing.
vw use to require the ase certs to be master but dropped it as a requirement like 6 or 7 years ago, we can still take them in place of the 5 vw master tests
You have been Nissan Master longer than I have been in the business, Truth be told my New Nissan Master was way more work to get than the Mercedes Benz Master I got back in 2005. I started my first Dealer in 94.
I'm have 7 of the 9 ASE certifications and I'm striving to achieve those 2. Now, my current manager doesn't think ASE certifications are valuable. He only cares about brand certifications. For me it's a personal goal. I can take the ASE Tests as I wish. I have to be sent to school. It's a toss up thought. Some people just aren't good at diagnosing or repairing vehicles no matter how much training, certifications, or years of experience.
Very good words. “They only see the achievements not the work”
*in my opinion: customers dont care about your title. they dont give anyone in a mechanic uniform more credit than a basic tire-tech. they want the truth about their cars & low prices. customers view titles like "master tech" the same as a garbage man calling himself a "sanitation engineer".*
that's the issue, if i go to a shop and someone says "the MASTERRRRRRR TECH will look at your car" you instantly flinch and grab your wallet because oh boy... that boatload of certs ain't gonna pay itself...
customer wants "well list price is 1000, but i can do it for 200, deal", cheap is the deal
ImStricken06 not true. I feel a person who takes the time to learn more to receive specialist certifications - that says something about their level of commitment; makes me expect more and trust their judgment more.
Guillermo Lovato you could end up paying more with a string of low level "only know the basics - let me guess what's wrong here " folks. I prefer the guy who knows with a high degree of accuracy what's wrong and what to do about it.
All clients want to hear is $39.95 (not a penny more), regardless of the problem at hand.
i worked at 5+ repair shops and now own my repair shop, i completely agree, customer DO NOT care about your certification. just like i dont care what culinary school the chef of the restaurant i'm going to graduated from
Love you Charles :)
Dude, this channel is awesome. I love your positive insight into this often, to me, confusing trade. Iam just a Flat Rate quick lube tech at the moment which sucks and I got the job simply as a job. But the more I am around mechanics the more I believe I can make a successful career being one. I have one ASE under belt thus far and will be moving up to a B Tech position soon. I was a mechanical engineering student for a year before I decided I wasn't ready for 4 year school, but I love problem solving so this may be a good career for me. My question is how do you deal with all of the BS that comes along with being a dealership mechanic? I believe the place I work is very well run and I really like the guys I work with but there are days the system seems to kick you when your down. How do you find the balance between working yourself till you can't think straight and a decent paycheck?
I think yes, get the certification. It's an important beginning. As someone who has a degree and tons of training in a specific field, the education and certifications were necessary to get jobs. Having technician certifications may not be mandatory now, but they will become more of an asset over time, and eventually you won't have as many opportunities if you don't pursue education, training, and certifications.
I'm trying to get to a Master Tech for Toyota! Only 19, got 5 ASE's and currently am in TTEN school! Should be an interesting next couple of years
master techs are qualified for all the warranty work so end up getting the low paying stuff. meanwhile the guys who arnt certified get all the gravy since they're not certified to do the warranties.
Nelson axb that’s the realist comment I read so far. Even if it’s 2 years old lol. You know what your talking about
So ur saying master techs work less ?
@@mractive420 no they get a lot of diagnostic and work that takes longer and pay less
I got the master ASE certification just to see if I could do it. Got the questions right, passed 'em all. Yeah, I was proud of myself. That cool certificate suitable for framing, the patch, the wallet card........I did it for me. Nothing wrong with it. Did I get paid more? NO! Some places will give you a lil' something for your trouble, some won't give a damn! Just the way it is. I found myself workin' for places that do not invest in their people, so whatever self improvements I make, I do it for me 'cause whatever I gain, I can take it with me!
I think I’m my opinion it all depends on how you approach it you can be a good test taker and a good tech but I agree with some that people or some don’t see or care about the title some don’t even know what it means or stands for but as long as you can fix the car they are happy
I think that saying about "peeing in a dark suit" comes to mind! Y'know, the part about givin' you a warm feeling, but nobody (but you) notices. It may make a difference in some places. I took 'em just to see if I could pass. I tried all eight plus that L1 thing. I made it. It was okay. Didn't matter much where I worked. Hell, it didn't hurt to try it out.
when it comes to being VW master tech or any kind of master tech; all your peers will know if you should be deemed a "true" master tech. service manager, techs, advisors, parts guys etc. #1 rule of being a master tech; don't be a paper tiger.
Canadians don't generally have ASE certs but we do have Gov mandated Certificates of qualification. Apprenticeship of 5 years , schooling and then a final test. You have to hold a cert to work in the industry. Basic stuff compared to what you have to know to be successful but I still hear of guys going to write their tests and failing five times. I bypassed the schooling (credit for time served in the industry), had an absent journeyman but I went to a technical high school (learned the fundamentals there) and worked in a shop that didn't have any service manuals. We had to learn how everything worked by reverse engineering it before we could fix it. I wrote my test in twenty min of the three hrs allowed and scored 96%. This allows me to work in any province in Canada without have to pass anymore tests. I am self taught, have my own little machine shop, $51,000 in tools, fix computers for fun and have served my 25yrs in auto mechanics. I make less than 55,000 cnd. Guess it depends on how you define worth it.
I'm trying to decide on if I want to keep going for whatever I end up with in automotive (I only have my self taught and secondary education, or get my master airframe tech back, now that the Army training qualifies again, but no jobs in aviation tbh that and being my own boss is nice.
I met several Master Techs that can barely read Electrical Diagrams. That seems to be a weakness in the Industry. Other weaknesses are: Troubleshooting Ground side switched components- Signal Circuit Integrity Testing- and Correctly condemning PCM/ ECM Modules.
Thank you for this video. I do have a question about specialization. With the ID.4 coming out do you recommend asking for training with this car and those that follow? Did your dealer have a technician trained to repair the ID.4? If so, was he the only one?
I think the answer is somewhere in between. not all master techs are amazing technicians, and there are a lot of really good techs that haven't spent the time to become master certified. I am not sure that my dealer would pay me for it if I did go through all the trouble to become master certified, so in my case there is not as much incentive to pursue it, even though it is a career goal.
a shop with 1 "master tech" on its payroll will say its a master tech certified shop even when the "master tech" never looks at a car.
I'm a master certified John Deere agriculture technician and this video is exactly correct. And yes becoming master certified is very much worth it.
What study guides do you recommend so I can study up and go take them
I am a GM Grand Master hands on skills competitor. The Canadian program that was something to aspire too. They changed the program to a " of the times " everybody wins program. You needed to train and pass tests all year. then to compete you had to do a timed closed book test out with all the other "grand master bronze techs". 12 guys would make it to the hands on skills competition where you would be timed and judged on your ability to comprehend and follow service information during repair and diagnosis. It did not mean you could fix a car any better than some random dude in his garage. It spoke to the character of the people who would compete. Someone who aspires to be the best would be better than if they had not. I would prefer someone that had the training then someone who does not. I would say the guys that I know that say things to their customers "just cause you got your papers doesn't mean you can fix cars" or " you don't need papers to fix a car" I wouldn't trust to fix a sandwich.
I have 4 ase badges, an ATRA cert and own a transmission shop. I don't see the point to becoming master tech. I would go after the rest if I was looking for a job, wanted a raise, or if they were free and somebody paid my wages when I left the shop lol. Those plaques on the wall dont help fix cars, sell jobs or manage employees any. Thank you for posting the video, it is food for thought!
pro hybrid tech with toyota. Allowed me to work on taxi cabs that didnt okay the repairs i called because they all "had a friend"
I’m almost there yay 😁
I have three left and Ill be master tech. I started in 2010 in independent shop I paid for all my tests and training books without reimbursement or a pay raise. I just wanna keep the ASE sign on the door out front I guess lol
Informative I am a master tech and by no means do I know everything. if someone tells me they know everything i know they are not a person i would want to work with we all need help at some point and the sooner you get it the better it is for all involved..
Hey humble, I'm a diesel mechanic and in still a bit green. Well I've worked the job for about half a year as a apprentice Diesel engine rebuilder. I've noticed my knees got progressively as the months went by. I think it's the engine work that's messing them up. What Do you recommend I should do?
Its the same in most trades, all bull everyone should respect and help each other out to learn new things
I wonder what sort of time scale it would take. Reason I ask is because I have been put on suzuki academy for master technician path but I seem to be pestering management for courses
Great words
+mike rowe thank you.
Worth it!!!
What do you ASE guys think of the Canadian system? I got my Canadian interprovincial 310S ticket years ago. It was a 9000 hour of work and 3 years of school in there process, supposed to take 5 years in total.
I called ASE to see if I could use that to count towards an ASE cert. ( I am trying to move from canada to the USA and thought a ASE would be a good idea). ASE does not recognize the Canadian system and the closest ASE center is like 6 hours from me, so even to just go to talk to somebody is virtually impossible.
Anybody else run into that?
What about the money? Is it worth going through all the hasle to get ASE Master cert vs being a Tech A or B?
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Hi, is the Master Tech qualification in the States competency based? Most mechanic/tech courses in Australia are competency based, thus making a candidate prove they can do the work.
Here's my take: I have passed 6 out of 8 of the ASE tests, and I didn't study before taking them, I just took them on the spot and passed. I don't plan on taking the other 2 until I feel that I truly understand said systems enough to walk in and pass the tests. If you're someone who HAD to study for hours on end right before taking the test that you couldn't otherwise have passed, in my eyes you're not a true "ASE master tech". They should be tests that are meant to test your long-term knowledge and experience.
how do you get in to be specific traninng?
I believe this is like any other industry certificate out there. you can take it with study and experience and be great at your job, or take it only by being a bookworm and can't do the the actual work. That said having a title in front of your name means something only if you prove yourself. Otherwise every one will know in a short wile that you're not good enough. There are doctors and doctors, but all in all you will not leave your live to a nurse if it comes to.
so what are al the certificantions you can get? is master the highest?
I was a tech and shop foreman at Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge dealerships for 19 years (Self employed for 7 years now) working mostly on Jeeps and Dodge trucks. During that time I only had one service manager that was big on ASE certifications. The others didn't care because I was a Chrysler master technician and that was all that mattered to them. I've taken the ASE tests and had 7 ASE certs at one time but it did not make me a better tech. As a matter of fact, I have worked with several ASE master techs that couldn't fix a car to save their lives. They were book smart and hands on stupid. Since it really did not matter to my employers, I never re-certified. I guess I just felt it was a waste of time and money but I can appreciate someone doing it if it is a goal of theirs. Independent shops probably put more value on ASE certifications. Dealerships probably don't because they have their own training.
1 year late, but you should of left for another dealer that'll value ASE and pay you more man
Good or Bad? That's up to you to decide. However, I've worked in 2 dealerships that paid me $1,000 a year bonus to maintain my Master Certified Rating.
I believe having a ASE Badge is cool and heart warming to those who know how to take teste. However, in most cases it doesn't really mean you can handle every job that Rolls into the dealer. Because I know a Feller that has his MASTER ASE BADGE BUT CANT FIX AN ENIGNE NOR TRANSMISSION ISSUE. where there's another guys who isn't ASE certified and can do both with his eyes close. So in Conclusion: of you're going to show off the badge make sure you can back it up.
I had a service manager that was a Ducati master tech when I was first starting out. I watched him bleed brakes one time. He pulled ALL the air into the line, and said, "Need to clear the reservoir first." I nodded and walked away. Felt the brake after he was, "done," lever squeezed directly to the grip with no resistance. My coworker and I didn't have the heart to ship it and let some one die. We bled it after hours.
😂🤣 at my age I learn to not stroke any techs ego I’ll let you know you fvcking up
thank you for doing what you doing I've been working on cars for years but I'm in a situation where I can no longer just do i as a side jobs im good atvwhat i do. but now need it to be more stable i want to go to school work for a dealer and eventually open my own shop. im doing research on what the best route is as to uti or wyotech or community college an apprenticeship is not an option as my finacial state requires i earn money. your encouragement is great especially at this time. can you give me any advice as to witch. route to take.
+B3RN GR33N7 thanks for the kind words. You really need to get some experience in the field.
You'll learn a ton in the few year of actually wrenching on cars.
Plus I'd want to find a spot I can work close with the owner.
I am an ASE master tech (A1-A9) and I have to say the tests are way too easy and that leads to too many "Master Techs" that cant diagnose a burned out light bulb!!
I also hold an A&P license and that is a whole different ball game and honestly thats the way it should be for the automotive industry.
To get an A&P license (airframe and powerplant) requires extensive schooling, a written, oral, AND practical exam for each part and is very intensive and difficult!!
I look at my master certification and say ehh whatever but I look at my A&P license and say thats an accomplishment!
People like hearing that there car was fixed by someone that the FAA certified to work on aircraft!
Experience Honda Mechanics .. I am in the PACT honda program 8 months in and failed the ASE certification. I bought the books from amazon but I realize alot of them are outated and NO pictures ... as on the test they gave me pics on car parts and asked me to label them and I was clueless ... PLEASE I need to know what book and what source I can learn from to pass the ASE certification. Thanks.
@@admincollie9880 You need experience, I had several years of professional shop experience along with countless hours of hobby experience! It's not something you can just read in a book and pass, even if you do that's not the point! Your supposed to know everything on the ASE test if your truly ready for it. I passed all 9 in a little over an hour but I had ALOT of experience!
I have 25+ years as a tractor mechanic. I have worked mostly for a private company repairing Volvo, International, Peterbilt, freightliner and Kenworth trucks with Cummins, Pacar and Volvo engines. I left this company for some time and worked at a truck stop for about 7 months. There were drivers who would come in and would only want me to work on their trucks. I had no certifications, but allot of training. I had some drivers tell me "Don't tell me your ASE certified". My thought is they had these guys and had bad experiences with them. The pay scale increases with the level of certification so I was inclined to start getting certified. I think the drivers would see the effort I would take to communicate what problems I found, what I did to fix it and attention to detail. I saw plenty of hack work by some other folks to push it out the door and get paid. There are work ethics that a certification will not give you. I would never ask a driver to take a truck that I would not drive myself and treat the truck like it was my own. My time was short lived at the truck stop (working with the public), due to the private company wanting me back. I do think there is value in certification, but work ethic and attitude is far more important in my opinion.
Only watched a few of you videos so far but like the channel and your attitude. Stay cool man!
To me, the certifications are just another verification of education. It's on the same level as my AAS of Auto Tech or Dipl. of Diesel Technology. However how many everyday joe customers are going to see that Master Technician certified and really grasp what that means?
is motor age the best ase study guide?
I think having a theoretical knowledge of cars can ONLY help you in your career it reminds me of the same argument of musicians who say “studying music theory will RuIn mY CrEaTiViTy” or just because you know the theory it’s going to hurt you. Anytime someone tells you that it’s small minded. Do it or don’t . but don’t be jealous of the guys who put in bookwork.
so I know there's a difference between a ase certified tech and ase masters certified tech. simply if you pass all levels of the ase test you become a master. on the other hand you can still be ase certified if you don't pass all of them. you can still qualify for something that your great at. like electrical. or breaks and suspension. you dont have to pass all . just atleast something and can still be ase certified instead ase masters certified. my question is. does a ase master tech make more then a ase certified tech.
What do you think about the VW Touareg 04 05 I was seeing a lot of them really cheap and was wondering if it was a good reliable car or not so much. Are they prone to problems? Great video!
+Robert Rodriguez I'd buy one in a second. But remember you're still repairing and maintaining a $60k car. Look for a 05 not an 04
Thanks for the feedback
Sounds like you're heading to VW technical instructor was you'd be awesome at and or qtm
That would be fun. But I would have to close this channel down. I am sure VW wouldn't let me do this AND work for them.
My opinion is that ASE tests are stupid because in my opinion it’s mostly book smart that being said I still wanna get all 8 of them because I want the title of a master tech because that will make me valuable to companies whether I like it or not.
Without certifications you’ll be fighting for raises and watching less skilled techs come in making more money than you. It’s 100% worth getting master and your L1 while you’re at it.
are you going out to Chicago in july for the big tech meet
Not totally sure. I really think I should. Plus it's kinda home for me.
For what it's worth, I was certified by the state of Michigan in 1991. Then proceeded to get ASE certified later. 25 years later nobody has ever asked if I was certified. Ever. Never ever. It's required by the state, but by no means guarantees the guy with the wrench has real talent, or is a "good mechanic / technician".
As an ASE Master with L1 I'm pretty sure a Broken Heart is the only think I can't FIX. Ha-Ha-Ha.
Requires a lot to be successful in this field. CZcams has many great resources, but experience is key to becoming profitable, education is instrumental in moving forward in your career, and certifications are to compliment and demonstrate that you are the professional who gives a shit about your career. I do wish that ASE would require longer experience requirements to qualify to be certified in each area (A1-A9; L1-L3 etc). As I think this would help demonstrate that you have at least a reasonable amount of time in the field as a professional technician before being considered CERTIFIED. 10 years minimum before you can achieve that Master Tech status. Just imagine 10 years in the field, you are going to have an established foundation of real world experience and variables and should be getting into driveability and electrical pretty heavily by then.
Now I do realize that there are some awesome people out there doing automotive repair and even diagnostics as DIY or whatever that probably are doing great work, but if you are doing this as a career it is important to remember that getting your ASE's is truly critical if you want to show that you are a professional who takes his work serious enough to at least get them all done! Again experience is absolutely the key, but being CERTIFIED will at least demonstrate that you are committed and take your job seriously.
It's funny, I often read or hear this way to often. "Well I don't need ASE's to prove that I can fix cars!" or "Those ASE's don't really matter because the tests are so easy anyone can get them if they just study a book!" or "I've seen so many of these so called Master technicians that couldn't fix this or that...." Yeah, yeah, we all know you're just too lazy to get them done, I mean it requires so little time and experience remember?
First of all, if they were so easy to pass, then why not just get them done? If anyone can just go get them, then the vast majority who complain about them should get them all done and put their money where their mouth is!
Furthermore, these tend to be the same people who complain about the technicians who actually have them, but often haven't even made an effort to get CERTIFIED to prove it!
Getting your L1 certification is not something that you can just go into without real world experience, sorry guys not going to happen!
For those who continue this crap about I don't need certifications to prove I can fix cars, well good luck if you are working to become highly paid in this industry. I'm not saying it's required, but you are going to struggle to make real money without them!
To me, if you are serious enough to call yourself a professional technician, well then get with it and get the damn certifications to prove it already! Nothing tops experience, but I cannot for the life of me understand why you would not be ASE CERTIFIED at a minimum just to say that you checked the box and got it done!
Here's my suggestion for ASE experience in the field requirements and yes you should have them all, why wouldn't you, they're to easy remember???
A1 Engine Repair (2 yrs)
A2 Automatic Transmission/Transaxle (5 yrs)
A3 Manual Drive Train & Transaxles (5 yrs)
A4 Suspension & Steering (2 yrs)
A5 Brakes (2 yrs)
A6 Electrical/Electronic Systems (5 yrs)
A7 Heating & Air Conditioning (5 yrs)
A8 Engine Performance (10 yrs)
A9 Light Vehicle Diesel Engines (10 yrs)
L1 Adv Engine Performance Spc (10 yrs)
L2 Electronic Diesel Engine Performance Spc (10 yrs)
L3 Light Duty Hybrid/Electric Vehicle Spc (10 yrs)
Just imagine the difference it would mean to say you're CERTIFIED then!!!
If the questions weren't multiple choice questions then the certificate would have a LOT more value.
When call it multiple guess in the Navy.
Once you have proven that you can fix problems through consistent perseverance, you will have gained recognition of something more important than Master Tech status.
While it is important to take the standardized testing of master technicians, it has little significance.
Master Technician means very little anybody unless you are a tech.
Master tech will not get you more money. Fixing cars that everybody else gives up on will prove your value. And don't break stuff.
My point: Follow a problem to the end. Never give up! Even if you lose your ass! Master tech and everything else will follow!
i think their should be a certification after master tech that is only achievable with time because you can have all the certs in the world but if you dont have experience your master tech certification isnt going to help you fix problems that you have never seen before and then you remember you're flat rate lol