In 1963 I took lessons at Burbank Airport, CA, in a Hughes 269 and the instructor would just cut the power and I would have to do a full auto landing. One time he cut the power at a hover, not expecting it and not prepared, we hit the ground pretty hard. After that first autorotation at a hover I got really good. I enjoyed your video as it brought back really good memories. Do to circumstances beyond my control I did not get my private pilot’s license. Thank you.
i've never seen anyone start the throttle recovery so early. I have always taught a recovery much later in the flare. But I think I like this method for private instruction. I may try it with my new students.
I flew into Hayward a lot when i was getting my commercial ticket. When I enter an auto, i do it a lot more deliberately. I count down 3-2-1, but i lower collective smoothly in about three seconds (same cadence) instead of jamming it down.. it lets you apply pedal for yaw- keeps your eyes on the horizon, and more importantly helps you RELAX. Smooth smooth smooth and relaxed. An auto is just another maneuver, relax and breath. Once i have my target picked out and the ship aiming for it, there is nothing to look at outside. Relax, breath and watch the RPM's in the upper part of the green. Your entire life is the tach. When he says "bump" I'm assuming it's bump the decaying RPM's up with aft cyclic; levels the cabin attitude. I can't see his tach with this resolution but we are not talking more than a few percentage of RPM's.. Like someone else said, I don't roll on power until well into the flare, right at level cabin attitude and well on my way to a full touchdown- just before the RPM's start to decay and the horn goes off at 97%. Roll on should be just as smooth as the roll off, apply pedal for the onset of yaw, and either terminate the maneuver in at hover altitude or push forward into ETL and climb out for another pass. Ahhh i can still feel all of this.. :) Great CFI too, chill guy. Not grabbing at the controls the whole time for a (looks like pre-private pilot from both the control inputs and that it's a straight in auto and not a 180/360 auto- or a zero airspeed auto for that matter) student.
Your approach makes a lot more sense. That would also help the tensity we feel. Unfortunately my instructor wants it down right away (decisively, not shoved), and won't allow any other way. We must do things the way our instructors want, even if there are better methods, or we don't move on.
Hey Chritopher I hope you're still doing these great tutorials - only just noticed how old this video is. I've just started learning & I'm struggling with VERTICAL takeoffs. How d'you keep pitch level?? I keep drifting backwards 😬 Thanks :) Martyn.
hi, can you tell me where and how you fix your gopro in this video? I am looking a solution like your... very stable image in this very wide view! I can ALSO see feet and cloche...... amazing! congratulation.... thanks a lot in advice.......
What about the right pedal? I have done hundreds of autorotation exercises, never any in any emergency, but the right pedal is not mentioned to any big extent.
im so used to the R44 seing it done in a 22 looks the same but feels different I bet. we also dont let power back in until after the flair has been started almost up until the rotation.
Have since done it in both the 22 and 44 and found the 44 a breeze due to it's size and te way it seems to never want to come down. The R2 drops like a stone if you dont watch it.
Paul Mcgee He was indicating that I could have felt the helicopter sink a little and by bumping or lifting the collective would have corrected the slight drop in altitude
The bump is normally a slight rise in the collective to lower the rotor RPM to prevent an over speed, ive also never done an auto in a R22 only a B407 so might be different with the low inertia rotor system of a R22
When do engines fail. Anytime they want. What environment do most helicopters operate? Unimproved away from airports. What are the chances of an improved landing strip being beneath you upon engine failure. 2-10%. It must be assumed that a zero run-on auto will be most likely.
O R22 e o mais barato por hora. En nossa area e $366 USD com o instructor. Tambem, considera que nos E.U. e quase requerido treinar no R22 por causa do SFAR 73 regulacao que vai mantener sua posicao do treinador inicial mais comun. Sem treinamento especial, nao pode trabalhar na industria. E interesante mesmo--a regulacao que podia matar a firma e exatamente a coisa que mantenga seu lugar primero.
@@CaptChet Mast bump and the "bump" in an autorotation are VERY different. Mast bump occurs when the rotors hit and sever the main mast. An auto bump is used to prevent an rpm overspeed.
@@ramjet4025 Sorry no as Vertical CFI lost it owner while doing what he loved Teaching people to fly. try www.specializedheli.com/helicopter-training also now in Hayward. Mention Wayne's name and they will look after you.
@@MrChrispuli I'm curious about how much funds you actually need for having fun with this hobby. Not talking about money itself but on flying hours as the value of money really depends on the country one lives in and changes over time. Would you consider that 25 hours per year is not enough to be an activate private heli pilot?
damn, i though flying helicopter was easy, you also need to know how land like an airplane. it's like you're also studying how to land both types of aircraft
Back in the 70's the instructor would roll the throttle off at any time and say practice engine failure,none of this lets set you up in an ideal profile and you took it to the ground.
My instructor would do that any we were flying and I remember when I was getting certified the examiner just cut the throttle on me . We were always up around 2000 feet
Christopher Puli yup, my government examiner cut the throttle after my check ride was over and after telling me I had passed, I was in a Bell 47 G2 with wooden blades in transition from the hover to forward flight 50 knots 200 ft, I got it on the ground but it was interesting to say the least.It taught me to always expect the unexpected.
are these useful and clare instructions ? For what? I saw only 2 friends popular chat instead of a real professional debating as I found in other really skilled trainers videos on the subject, thanks to YTube!
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 he probably doesnt even know what you're talking about which is funny. There is so much aplication in the agriculture industry, tourism/travel, surveying, pilot for businesses(which is a large spectum), personal business, and the list goes WAY on. There isnt a slim market, this man is just unedutated.
RecklessGamer - I know; well really I don’t but I just discovered, in my old age, that helicopters are actually used as big blowers! I’m so impressed and have a whole new respect for fruit and vegetable growers and orcharders. We’re a hay operation in the Mid-South now, but we used to farm pretty big acreage of corn and soybeans too. Gee, I thought it was cool to hire cropdusters back in the day. But to know helis do so many other jobs is just an awesome fact to know. Shoutout to FlyingMAir lol 😀
In 1963 I took lessons at Burbank Airport, CA, in a Hughes 269 and the instructor would just cut the power and I would have to do a full auto landing. One time he cut the power at a hover, not expecting it and not prepared, we hit the ground pretty hard. After that first autorotation at a hover I got really good. I enjoyed your video as it brought back really good memories. Do to circumstances beyond my control I did not get my private pilot’s license. Thank you.
Man thats a total shame m8
Four words... 'Awesome teacher, awesome student!'
Man, watching that made me insanely tense. Great video and great work to both folks in the cockpit.
Awesome instructor your in the right line of work man.
i've never seen anyone start the throttle recovery so early. I have always taught a recovery much later in the flare. But I think I like this method for private instruction. I may try it with my new students.
We taught autorotations right to the ground after the first couple of power recoveries. It’s the only way to teach it completely.
Great video. Thank you for leaving it uncut and as it was. Very informative.
Wow... Thanks for uploading video Christopher,It is a thousands of dollars education
I flew into Hayward a lot when i was getting my commercial ticket. When I enter an auto, i do it a lot more deliberately. I count down 3-2-1, but i lower collective smoothly in about three seconds (same cadence) instead of jamming it down.. it lets you apply pedal for yaw- keeps your eyes on the horizon, and more importantly helps you RELAX. Smooth smooth smooth and relaxed. An auto is just another maneuver, relax and breath. Once i have my target picked out and the ship aiming for it, there is nothing to look at outside. Relax, breath and watch the RPM's in the upper part of the green. Your entire life is the tach.
When he says "bump" I'm assuming it's bump the decaying RPM's up with aft cyclic; levels the cabin attitude. I can't see his tach with this resolution but we are not talking more than a few percentage of RPM's..
Like someone else said, I don't roll on power until well into the flare, right at level cabin attitude and well on my way to a full touchdown- just before the RPM's start to decay and the horn goes off at 97%. Roll on should be just as smooth as the roll off, apply pedal for the onset of yaw, and either terminate the maneuver in at hover altitude or push forward into ETL and climb out for another pass.
Ahhh i can still feel all of this.. :)
Great CFI too, chill guy. Not grabbing at the controls the whole time for a (looks like pre-private pilot from both the control inputs and that it's a straight in auto and not a 180/360 auto- or a zero airspeed auto for that matter) student.
Yep you are right I was just starting my auto's. My CFI later would just cry Engine Failure and cut the power
Your approach makes a lot more sense. That would also help the tensity we feel. Unfortunately my instructor wants it down right away (decisively, not shoved), and won't allow any other way. We must do things the way our instructors want, even if there are better methods, or we don't move on.
You seem a very patient instructor. It's easy to feel trust listening to you. Good work.
@Marshall Anson yea, I have been watching on Flixzone for years myself :D
absolutely fascinating
Still the best auto video in 2018
Nice instruction, nice work boys....
CFI was a great flight school and Wayne (RIP) was the best. He was all about safety. Had great moments flying out of Spot Charlie.
Totally loved my time flying with Wayne. He was always calm and instilled confidence and knowledge . I do miss him being around.
I wish you the best in your training! Fly a helo in my opinion is the best way to go!
I agree!
Vertical CFI out of Hayward CA
Also at 60-65 Kts you have longer to glide and react to rising rpm's. Also softer flare to bleed off airspeed
The glide configuration for max glide auto in a R22 is 75 kias and 90 percent rpm.
True but I never wanted to be at Max especially while training
Great view
I'm just starting to learn to do emergency landings in the pattern in a cessna, this seems even more intimidating!
Gregario Both seem intimidating to me😫
It's like riding a bike Once learned you never forget
Hey Chritopher I hope you're still doing these great tutorials - only just noticed how old this video is.
I've just started learning & I'm struggling with VERTICAL takeoffs.
How d'you keep pitch level??
I keep drifting backwards 😬
Thanks :)
Martyn.
Thanks for sharing.
another question. why do you enter at 65kts instead of 75?
My left ear liked this video
Ok good, it is now clear to me that I do not have the mental fortitude to get my helicopter license. Mark that one off the list.
Are you still flying Chris? That looks like fun.
Good job
That instructor knows his sh i t..
What does it mean when the instructor says ‘roll off’ after ‘baby flare’? Thanks for the great video! Very helpful
@Rafael Morffi Thanks mate, I need to learn the helicopter lingo!
@Rafael Morffi what if we descent with full power with adjusting the pitch of cyclic control only , just a doubt that why asking u sir
Did hundreds of these.
well done
A real surprise engine failure in an r22 would be a scary prospect.
Sure Do Like That Instructor
yep as he let me learn by feel
hi, can you tell me where and how you fix your gopro in this video? I am looking a solution like your... very stable image in this very wide view! I can ALSO see feet and cloche...... amazing! congratulation.... thanks a lot in advice.......
Hi Connect to my chanel and you can see how i created the device that allows you to solve the gppro issue. Easy to create and install
ok thank you!
What about the right pedal?
I have done hundreds of autorotation exercises, never any in any emergency, but the right pedal is not mentioned to any big extent.
I had a garden rake once that looked like that joystick
im so used to the R44 seing it done in a 22 looks the same but feels different I bet. we also dont let power back in until after the flair has been started almost up until the rotation.
Have since done it in both the 22 and 44 and found the 44 a breeze due to it's size and te way it seems to never want to come down. The R2 drops like a stone if you dont watch it.
+Christopher Puli intresting... thanks man.
yeah. something I will never ever try.love to but scared to and not competent toso glad to watch you do...
Wondering what “the bump” is... don’t remember that term from my days in the hot seat.
Paul Mcgee He was indicating that I could have felt the helicopter sink a little and by bumping or lifting the collective would have corrected the slight drop in altitude
The bump is normally a slight rise in the collective to lower the rotor RPM to prevent an over speed, ive also never done an auto in a R22 only a B407 so might be different with the low inertia rotor system of a R22
Realistically, an autorotation will be done without any forward movement after ground contact as in a confined area.
Absolutely incorrect.
Try to do an auto with forward movement into a confined area with overgrown brush and uneven terrain. It will be your last.
@@extremereclusefallows5779 but to insinuate that the video is incorrect is a fallacy.
When do engines fail. Anytime they want. What environment do most helicopters operate? Unimproved away from airports. What are the chances of an improved landing strip being beneath you upon engine failure. 2-10%. It must be assumed that a zero run-on auto will be most likely.
I flew Black Hawks with large tires and excellent shock absorbers. Almost all civilian aircraft have skids. This makes it a challenge.
At 12’000 feet is it possible to do it will the rotors still Trurn or is there a limite time do land ?????
No Limited time to land . It is more about keeping your RPM's within the correct range and correct speed
All these flat roofs make me want to land on them
💖💖💘💘❤❤
Quanto fica a hr de voo de r22 é qual helicóptero é mais barato a hr de voo
O R22 e o mais barato por hora. En nossa area e $366 USD com o instructor. Tambem, considera que nos E.U. e quase requerido treinar no R22 por causa do SFAR 73 regulacao que vai mantener sua posicao do treinador inicial mais comun. Sem treinamento especial, nao pode trabalhar na industria. E interesante mesmo--a regulacao que podia matar a firma e exatamente a coisa que mantenga seu lugar primero.
what flight school is this out of curiosity?
hq aviaton is a great heli school with captain q the best helicopter pilot in the world
It looks like in real life helis are much much easier than the ones in DCS
Bump? What exactly is that? Thanks.
@Tanner Powers Thanks very much! I've read of mast bump and was wondering. Love aviation lingo!
@@CaptChet Mast bump and the "bump" in an autorotation are VERY different. Mast bump occurs when the rotors hit and sever the main mast. An auto bump is used to prevent an rpm overspeed.
There is little margin for error in a Robinson when auto rotate. The blades have very low mass .
"What u mean by using power?"
Is it just my speaker or does this Robi sound like a Harley Davidson???
Which airport was this at?
Hayward CA Great place to learn
@@MrChrispuli That school is now closed ? do you have a contact email?
@@ramjet4025 Sorry no as Vertical CFI lost it owner while doing what he loved Teaching people to fly.
try www.specializedheli.com/helicopter-training also now in Hayward. Mention Wayne's name and they will look after you.
Im having a very difficult time with autos T.T.
I had the same trouble but found once I got the glide feeling right then everything else gave me the time to my checks
Helicopters are so expensive to maintain making dollars/hour operating ratio so very high
and?
I will love to learn to fly a helicopter, but financially I don't have the means to do so.
Yep don't ever start if you don't have the funds
@@MrChrispuli I'm curious about how much funds you actually need for having fun with this hobby. Not talking about money itself but on flying hours as the value of money really depends on the country one lives in and changes over time. Would you consider that 25 hours per year is not enough to be an activate private heli pilot?
damn, i though flying helicopter was easy, you also need to know how land like an airplane. it's like you're also studying how to land both types of aircraft
You only learn this maneuver for when the engine fails
Back in the 70's the instructor would roll the throttle off at any time and say practice engine failure,none of this lets set you up in an ideal profile and you took it to the ground.
My instructor would do that any we were flying and I remember when I was getting certified the examiner just cut the throttle on me . We were always up around 2000 feet
Christopher Puli yup, my government examiner cut the throttle after my check ride was over and after telling me I had passed, I was in a Bell 47 G2 with wooden blades in transition from the hover to forward flight 50 knots 200 ft, I got it on the ground but it was interesting to say the least.It taught me to always expect the unexpected.
are these useful and clare instructions ? For what?
I saw only 2 friends popular chat instead of a real professional debating as I found in other really skilled trainers videos on the subject, thanks to YTube!
Just no market for helicopter pilots
Police, search and rescue and air ambulance.
That's just so not true xD
Washington State, Cali, Oregon all have a lot of fruits that need drying 30 minutes ago!!
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 he probably doesnt even know what you're talking about which is funny. There is so much aplication in the agriculture industry, tourism/travel, surveying, pilot for businesses(which is a large spectum), personal business, and the list goes WAY on.
There isnt a slim market, this man is just unedutated.
RecklessGamer - I know; well really I don’t but I just discovered, in my old age, that helicopters are actually used as big blowers! I’m so impressed and have a whole new respect for fruit and vegetable growers and orcharders. We’re a hay operation in the Mid-South now, but we used to farm pretty big acreage of corn and soybeans too. Gee, I thought it was cool to hire cropdusters back in the day. But to know helis do so many other jobs is just an awesome fact to know. Shoutout to FlyingMAir lol 😀
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 Just recently discovered her channel as well! really cool stuff and great pilot skills!