Ep. 13 Student Blows Away Instructor with Engine Failure Recovery
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2021
- Instructor Sancho takes Jared and Tony to the infield to test run some full-down auto rotations.
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Catchy video title... Autorotation training would have been more suitable though :)
Why the mask dodo
@@yvespilotte4959 why the Y, bozo?
@@yvespilotte4959 It was the mask that saved him!
Title had me off too. Just autorotation training. Bless
Pathetic click bait
This exercise and the quick stop pretty much use the same type of skills and coordination, just loved doing those!!
Wow! i am currently a student pilot of R22 Beta II and engine failures keeps bugging on my mind. now when I see this, it helps me relieved my anxiety. thanks much man for having these kind of vids. love from Philippines.
I am a captain of an Airbus A350. 25 years of flying. And I never had an instructer as motivating as this one. Damn...I wish I could say something different.
That was very cool. I have never seen an autorotation and he did a great job.
Super instructive! Great job guys!
Well done.
Autos with the cabri is always fun.
Great control. Nice and smooth.
I worked YXX tower until I retired in 2006. Great place to work, great clients including Kathy and BC Helicopters.
Thanks for everything you guys do as controllers. You have a very under appreciated career that is is so valuable. Also the Abbotsford controllers are the best in the valley.
Awesome, we really appreciate our controllers as well. I would say Abbotsford has some of the best controllers I have dealt with.
Philip would like to wish you all a happy new year to all my Canadian friends.hope you are all well. Brilliant vlog buddy. Keep safe and well philip.🍁🇨🇦 🤝🇬🇧👍
Amazing,just amazing!!! Bravo!!!
Amazing how the student managed to change his shoes during flight!!
Obviously 2 different training days.
Great instructor !!
Great trainee also, I'd fly with him.
Excellent training :-)
Good job!
Man, this sure looks different than what my autos in a R22 look like!!
Amazing! What a natural. May I respectfully suggest conducting the after landing analysis off the active runway.
Disagree. If theres no one waiting, its best to strike while the irons hot. Straight after, feelings are fresh in memory, no other distractions. But hey everyones diferent.
Most of the time I will discuss details while we are in the circuit but if there is something very critical to understand it is best to do when not distracted with flying. Also depends on how busy the circuit is, I usually don't do full downs to the runway when the circuit is busy.
I had an easy time doing full down autorotations because I trained in gander and had 10,000 foot runway to screw around with lol, that was 20 years ago so no cool footage :p,
Nice !
Great fun. I'm a fixed wing guy but a few years ago I had some extra $ so I thought I'd get a helicopter rating. There were several helicopter operators on the CO front range but no helicopter flight schools. Maybe next time I have some spare $ !
Easiest way to teach runway alignment is to tell the student to put the centerline between his pedals. That way he’s at most about 12” off.
cool.
Easy peasy,,aka perfect!
I quite like this helicopter. I might buy one
Buy two Pete and I’ll teach you how to fly it😊
in my cfi stage and touchdowns are a little scary but I cat them into 2 parts the glide and at the bottom if you flared good it almost like a hovering "auto" love your MOI on this I think I will implement this into my training what common errors have you seen in your experience as we are in a cabri as well
I've always been concerned about the rotor hubs. Like who installed hardware, last inspection with bearings, hubs and input shaft inspections. Stress cracking etc. A lot of action in one point of motion.
If you are operating an aircraft in a country that has laws regarding 50 and 100 hour inspections you needn't be. Check the legaly required maintenance logs if you are worried which will tell you what, when, and who did what... If you are using equipment in some third world country your concerns might be valid. Even then, realize Pilots don't want to die, so even thought the laws might not be as stringent, there is usually some standard at hand, - though YMMV...
Step4560, Funny 50 and 100 hr inspections...not to worry.
HA , I am a certified aircraft technician, I'm the guy. And yes the concern is still the hub and hardware with stress cracks that happen. You can have cracks on new parts or old parts. But to put total faith in one point I have issues with , just a bad idea.
Like on many commercial aircraft primary, secondary and backup systems.
Two engines, apu, batteries and they still have a RAT AS A last resort ( hydraulic and aux generator)
If you're a pilot you read the inspection.
It's true, it really is amazing these things don't just come apart in flight. Lots of engineering involved and a lot of care and attention that goes into maintaining helicopters.
These aircraft weren’t made yesterday, every part has a life limit and inspection criteria. Not solely 50hr or 100hr inspections but 200,400,500 and so on.
There are literally hundreds if not thousands of the same airframe flying around the world, if there ever is a problem found it gets reported to the FAA and this is why we have Airworthiness Directives with specific inspection requirements for any component’s in question.
I'm glad he's doing this in the Cabri and not the R22. I don't trust that rotor system in anything that resembles negative G. I can't, for the life of me, understand why *any* manufacture would make a helicopter that even had the slightest chance of mast bump. Especially in a TRAINER!
Not a fan of the robbie either. P.O.S.
The Navy and Marine Corps has been using underslung rotor helicopters for decades. IIRC our limit was .5 G on the low end. It's not hard to avoid that.
Want a R22 ! Buy 20 acres and wait.
@@aorakiboydog LOOOOOL!!! Hahahaha
Frank Robinson in an early interview was asked a similar question.His answer was he didn’t design it as a trainer he built it as an affordable heli for private owners.
Always so cool to watch videos about autorotations. Great job, but what happened to the two passes where the video cut as they were going through the flare? ;-)
They missed the ground and got stuck in the air. Big problem with helicopters.
If you don’t have a long straight path like the runway or the only open area is really close, can you fly the helicopter in a spiraling down circle to keep up your forward speed and still pull it back to a stop just before touchdown? Also do you practice it from a higher elevation? I can only imagine that you would have to periodically pull it back to slow down your speed and your descent. Assuming you don’t have to worry about a limited use of hydraulic power left on your controls if equipped. Obviously a fly by wire doesn’t factor.
Where’s all the helicopter sim fans? I enjoy the Cabri and MD500E!😊
Nice.
The way he's gripping the "emergency break" he looks scared but great job dude❤
Emergency break, hahaha good one.
The emergency brake is actually called the collective in a helicopter and controls the pitch of the rotor blades.
Why were some of the autos cut from the video?
Can you explain the force that keep the main rotor turning? The book says that air from bellow does it, just like windmill. But windmill need negative pitch, right? And real helicopters don't have negative pitch(RC helis have). This question really confuse me. Thanks.
As far as I know, and correct me please, the air moving up and beyond (in the opposite direction of travel) in reagards to the blades, generates lift and a spinning motion to the blades. (Lift by the spinning disc, which acts as a wing, as it would be for an unpowered glider) regardless of blade pitch. Though a positive pitch at the blades will use this energy to creatie lift, by constantly powering the spinning disc with the engine, and thus forward motion, if angled respectevly. I imagine, and I may be wrong on this, but a negative pitch (or positive, depends the way your are facing) would only be necessary for a system not in motion, e.g. a windmill. With the helicopters energy, fed by gravity, this is not necessary. The blades will keep spinning, if the helicopter keeps moving through the air at a certain speed.
Well done!
@@Pempel2000 From the limited knowledge I have of university physics and fluid dynamics, and my helicopter knowledge being riding on them in the Canadian Military and being close friends with a helo medevac EMS guy, sounds about right! I’m sure someone will chime in to correct a few things but yea, gravity etc, generating lift. I would imagine a positive or negative pitch would only be required for a grounded object like a windmill, and would seriously complicate flying a helo 🚁🤔🤷🏼♂️ I mean, computing could probably account for it these days, but why complicate things if you don’t got to!
That sliding when landing always looks a bit scary when watching from outside the helicopter. Good job.
In reality, when choppers come down, it's usually with a loud earth-shattering thud!
Does the carbri not require the closing of the throttle after lowering the collective?
Yes for practice autorotations we close the throttle after lowering collective, for forced approaches we roll off throttle first.
Does it not damage the helicopter doing auto rotations onto runways?
best way to learn is doing it for real, if done correctly there should be no problem, just like power off landing in a plane, my instructor always killed the mags on final to make it more realistic when I was learning to fly fixed wing
There is a small amount of wear on the skid plates but they are designed for this.
This is the first civilian video of a full on auto to the ground without power recovery. In the army we always did power off to the ground.
Always did full auto's in Bell47 in Australia (early 2000's).
Did my training in a Robinson quite a few years ago in California. Most autos were power recovery during the flair so we weren't beating things up too much. But we did plenty of full downs as well.
I want to see a C-47 Autorotation demonstration.
LEFT LEFT LEFT ! GO MORE LEFT !!
The 1st & 3rd autos don't show the finish?
I am assuming the red lever on the cyclic is to drop the bombs; which button is for the machine guns and which button is for the missiles?
Haha, close. The red lever is the manual cargo hook release :)
Experts I need help:::: when a helicopter enters in auto rotation the main rotor still spinning in the same direction?
Just take a moment to think it through and you would save yourself a question.
He did great landing to me that is.
Love the safety mask just over his mouth, he’s leaned never to breath through his nose..top job 😊
Don't forget the little 6 foot box they're sitting in together for extended periods of time lmao. At this point it's akin to wearing non-prescription glasses
People were solidly "sold" an absolute crock, most took it hook line and sinker and are having a hard time coming around in the face of the emerging stats and the continued unwavering lockstep delivery internationally of the sanctioned party line.
Have a look at Dr. John Campbell on CZcams ....... He's laid it all out very nicely
Nice video. Would be nice to see 1or 2 landings from the ground or tower. But i still give u 5 stars.
Yeah I've been meaning to do a video with a camera on the ground to watch the auto from another perspective.
How is the procedure, when you have engine failure while hovering in position?
That depends on your altetude.
@@brahmdempers1005 Helikopter usually hover at low altitude. I guess 150ft or so
What’s the cloth apparatus on their face?
I don't see the throttle being rolled down to idle. I don't here needles split. It this a power on autorotation?
These are full down autos with the engine at idle.
(I'm not a pilot) but a Vietnam vet who watched the pilots. The cyclic never seems to move but the chopper makes some severe turns sometimes. Can anyone explain? Thanx
The cyclic is so sensitive in these smaller modern helicopters that it is almost imperceptible movements that you need. The old Hueys would have needed a lot more movement on the cyclic.
Any video of Curtis??
Takes instruction well
It is interesting that in effect, although the modern rotor head of a Gyroplane is a semi ridged design with no collective, the fact the rotor head ,thus the whole disk can be tilted aft, increasing the angle of attack to the relative wind, which results in increased lift, is basically an auto collective. I knew the rotor RPM increased or decreased as to the disk loading and had assumed the subsequent increase of rpm at the flair was due to momentary increase of G- Forces but found this was incorrect. The increase of rotor RPM is due to the increase of lift which is instantaneous but brief. The same effect is seen with the application of positive collective after the flare to level is achieved.
Question: I saw the anti rotation peddles were very active during autorotation. Nothing is free and energy is used when the pitch of the tail rotor is increased. Where does this manifest itself; in loss of RRPM or increase of decent rate? Also, can a helicopter do a vertical engine off decent and recover as Gyroplane can easily do when at an altitude which would allow for a safe recovery? If not, why not?
I very much enjoyed this video. To see multiple approaches to landings was highly instructive.
Increase in Rotor RPM (NR) during disk loading is due to the conservation of angular momentum. The rotor blades cone upwards thus moving their c of g closer to the rotor hub. The example always used is that of an ice skater spinning and bringing their arms in, they spin faster.
Wow
A straightforward but well executed ‘Autorotation’ but then I guess you need views so I guess he was “blown away” by the “engine failure”
Seems your heli is a cabri g2 isnt it ?
How do you such a cool Helicopter. I wonder why it seems to bounce around so much so I can a plane. It’s just very smooth but you all helicopters bounce around like that?
I kind of expected a heli to just plummet to the ground if/when the engine stalled.
Yeah that is probably one of the biggest misconceptions about helicopters.
@@BCHelicopters It makes sense that as it falls the blades are spun by the downward force. It seems that you still have pretty good control as well. I dont fly. I have been in the goodyear blimp once an that is all the fun i need in this lifetime lol. But i think i would like to ride in a heli now knowing that a good pilot can still maintain control even in a stall. Thanks for the video an the reply.
that looks crazty scary lol how do u control the speed if you have no power?
Cyclic controls speed as we descend towards the ground.
why did it cut before the settle?
Sorry I wasn’t editing this one so not sure why some of the landings were cut but maybe because of length of video.
How often does an average helicopter pilot have to do full down autorotation as part of maintaining his licence?
All commercial pilots undergo annual recurrency training where we review all emergencies including autos.
so lowering the collective doesnt give you downward thrust? how does the autorotation work?
Lowering the collective flattens the pitch which decreases the drag allowing the blades to spin more easily. Also as you begin descending the angle of the incoming wind changes from being pulled in from above to entering the rotor disc from below. As the air rushes through the blades from below it spins the blades much like a pinwheel you would get at a birthday party. The inertia in the blades is preserved all the way down till it's time to flare at which time we use that inertia to cushion our landing.
@@BCHelicopters oh. ok. but that is negative blade pitch isnt it? or at least upward thrust(reverse from normal)
Hi, momentum not inertia.
@9:34 is how I was trained to do these in a R22
What equipment is he operating?
This helicopter is a Guimbal Cabri G2 training helicopter.
Shoulda chopped his throttle during his turn to final... Not when he was already lined up with the runway... just sayin' when you have to do an auto it's not always going to be at a convenient heading and altitude... good stuff thanks for posting
No kidding, wished I had a countdown before my instructor chopped the throttle? 😂
@@crazyralph6386 Thanks for taking the time to get back to me...
We do plenty of forced approaches during the training but when practicing autos for the sake of working on full down to the ground we always enter before rolling off the throttle.
@@BCHelicopters I've watched a lot of your videos... Good stuff, thanks for replying...
@@BCHelicopters just out of curiosity, do TC examiners still do surprise engine failures for students?
I wish they didn't cut the camera on a few of these just at the point of touch down.
This is a "run-on" not an auto-rotation.
My mental image of "auto-rotations" always had the helicopter dropping straight down, body rotating under the rotor. This here looks a lot less dramatic.
body wont rotate unless you loose tail rotor control, and if you do then you are meant to keep forward airspeed over the tail fin to keep it flying straight
Where's the engine failure ?
Wait.. hold on... Sorry, I'm a total knuckle head and I'm not a pilot...
Is that an illusion due to camera FPS or is the rotor really rotating that slowly? I thought they would be rotating alot faster.
please edit these down to the essentials. its a 4 second video. not 10 minutes. link to the long one.
What is noticeable is a lateral in auto indicating the disk out of balance.Keep your eye on the top of the instrument panel.Nothing serious but would annoy me.
A good chopper pilot always practices autos
He just can't get to the center of the runway can he? But a lot of people seem to do that.
Haha, yeah it’s tricky business 😜
It seems like he has trouble staying on the center line is always flying to the right. I’m not trying to be nitpicky. There’s a lot going on. I’m sure if he’s learning how to auto rotate most important thing as he gets it down. Nice and safely. that’s a great job.
They were calling pretty high winds from the left. Takes a bit to figure that out once descending. If and when this happens for real, instinct and training kick in and you'd be amazed how well you can do with it. Good training and repetition is key.
Cool video but it would be even more educational for people if you left the janky touchdowns in as well. There's always something to learn!
On a funny note: I can't for the life of me figure out why they designed the tach display on the Cabri so that the needle moves up when the RPM drops and down when the RPM rises. Just whyyyyyyy? :D
Cabri looks like a nice little helicopter-- a little more forgiving than the R22 for full-downs.
Not really complete engine failure landings but autorotation
It’s creepy they swap mask
Why are they taking turns wearing facemasks?
Why does he have that mask on? Half way? Or at all??😂
Whats with the mask?
Does this kid not know what the centerline looks like. Make him draw it on the board when he gets back. On the centerline doesn't mean next to it.
Why is the guy wearing a mask?
Maybe dose not want covid it sucks 😅
@@corbanlee8157 I know it does suck I had it. When it first came out I just seemed odd to me because it’s just him and another guy in the helicopter. It’s not like he’s in a big public place. Maybe the instructor told him he’s been feeling sick. I don’t know . What I really don’t understand when you see people driving in a car by themselves wearing a mask.
Canadians?
An instructor w a face diapers doesn’t bring up my confidence level in his aviation abilities.
He has been an instructor longer than you've been out of diapers.
@@xxtwr1 thanks for reminding me
Grow up 🙄
It's genuinely hilarious that so many people are still being set offended/enraged by all of us laughing about their precious mug hiders for the less fortunate.
@@swampgumpharpy7977 not sure what you mean. You are surprised that people still wear masks so that they do not spread their colds or those who might be immunocompromised and would want to keep germs and viruses out. If you are, tell your doctor when you have an operation that you prefer he goes without the mask.
The title of this video is misleading. And, what's the point of making a video about fall down auto rotations if you're going to edit out the touchdown on half of them?
Probably because the instructor took control to some degree on half of them.
I know absolutely nothing about helicopters but that doesn’t seem to be a problem in this comment section so I’ll just add he did everything wrong.
No engine failure occured in this video 👎
A mask? Wtf?
mask not even over his nose. lol
Yes folks. Yet another clickbait title which really just means “More autorotation practice”. By the way, don’t ya just love two guys chatting away without a care in the world sat in the middle of a runway?
First
Good thing he has a mask on
The mask thing put me off the video. Plus the tutor held the joystick some times.
Good thing he’s wearing his face diaper
Thumbs down from me because your title is straight click bait.
Great to see the student NOT wearing that stupid mask that does nothing. Cudo's for not buying into the bullshit and standing up for your rights.
Owning the libs by getting covid and spreading it around from not wearing a mask, nice 😎
The student was wearing a mask but not covering the nose, so might as well have been not wearing one
Way to barge politics into a video about helicopters.
@@fishbed_ ...or science.
@@fishbed_ " politics" ? you mean . " why express yourself as an idiot under a video like this "
Not true to title no point in watching it and unsubscribe!
I laughed cause of wearing a mask that does no good. Hes trying to protect himself while practicing engine failure. I worry more about falling out of sky than getting something from the air
Even if the face diaper DID work, he’s not even wearing it over his nose 😆
Why do people think masks protect the user!? They are designed to prevent the wearer from spreading illness to others so possibly he’s wearing a mask because he cares about others.
I don’t understand how people don’t understand this simple concept.
you doing you, until you can no longer breathe...
Ok kiddo, what's it like being so ignorant? Has to be exhausting being such a moron.
I stopped watching when I saw the mask. Enough already
Where was the engine failure?? 🫤