.22 Magnum for Self Defense? Maybe...22 Magnum VS 9mm Federal JHP
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Testing the Federal Train + Protect 115 gr JHP 9mm from my 4" Ruger Security 9 VS the Federal Small Game 50 gr JHP .22 Magnum from my 3" Ruger LCRx in a 10% Clear Ballistics test. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
I think the .22 Mag did better than expected tbh. Looked pretty good here.
Appreciate it. Am new to pistols, learning a whole lot through CZcams videos. Probably watched several hundred so far. Your channel has been particularly helpful.
He is good. Look up Paul Harrell as well. But Paul is very long winded.
30 rounds of 22 WMR from a Kel Tec PMR 30 for self defense ?
Sure why not... 🤷♂️😆
Because that sucks. I'd hate to be in a position of landing 12, 13, 14 rounds and this crazy dude isn't stopping. I'd rather have 2 rounds of .357 Mag over 30 rounds of .22 Mag.
@@GunSam You wanna know what 'SUCKS" worse?? Your 357 mag leaves your house --- goes across the street --- goes thru your neighbors wall and injures someone over there (now you're the criminal) ---- the WMR just don't have the power to change you!! People amped-up on drugs will likely take a "fatal" 357 but still keep coming anyway. Everything's a compromise I guess!
@@Hutzjohn Um, what kind of dumb comment is that? Not only is it dumb because you're not hitting your target, but that whole statement is something that someone who knows literally zero about ballistics would say.
@@GunSam NO ----- can you positively guarantee how you'll react when your life in on the line???? NO way --- missing your shot and going thru a window across the street and into a different house is "NOT' an impossibility ---- maybe you need to rethink what a "dumb" comment is.
@@Hutzjohn It is dumb, I am doubling down. You mentioned ".357". The .357 Magnum does not have mythical powers to somehow go through my wall, which happens to be cinder block, but even if it was wood, it does not have magical powers to somehow go through all these walls, hit someone else more than any normal centerfire caliber like 9mm, .40 S&W and the like. MOST people use 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Mag etc for defense, so what you are saying is either the .357 Magnum has magical powers, or you are saying all centerfire is dumb for defense. Which is it?
I just picked up one of those Heritage Arms single actions with the 22 mag and 22LR cylinders so this is great timing. Really cheap but awesome gun for the price. It was the first time I’ve fired 22 mag and I was pleasantly surprised. It seems like an effective little cartridge. I wouldn’t necessarily carry it for defense but out of the 6 inch barrel it hits pretty decently and gets about 1200fps for me. The single action trigger made it really fun/easy to shoot on my end. I’m sure I would’ve had a different experience with a heavy double action trigger.
We keep our Heritage loaded with .22wmr in the basement (big area, laundry down there)...it's not much, but beats nothing...in fact, I shot shot .22wmr out of the gun today, just for the practice...usually we run lr when the gun goes to the range, where the slow, steady load, shoot, unload, repeat, repeat, repeat is downright relaxing...and affordable...
I haven't shot my Heritage revolvers on a long time. One thing I noticed is with mine anyways (4.7"+/-) that the velocity with most ammo is slower than in my 3" LCRx. Not a great bore, but it's a nice cheap plinker that shoots everything. Fun to mess with.
Great... "timing". LOL
@GunSam I'm the same really don't need both. lcrx is a keeper, going to send the heritage down the road.
Reminds me of that scene from running scared when Billy Crystal tells the thug *"I'd rather get shot with your pissant little 38 than my 357 magnum..."*
Also reminds me of what the Gunny said about what the best caliber is back in '87; whatever you've got when you need something!
“… 686 loaded with 38 wadcutters.” I spent a very pleasant hour at a local range pinging steel with that exact set up two days ago! Can.not.miss! That’s great advice, Sam.
22 mag is a beast. It would definitely put some serious holes in a human. I'm still rocking my 9mm but a 22 mag revolver would still be adequate for self defense.
A revolver is possibly the better self defense handgun choice for rimfire because the malfunction clearance process is: pull the trigger again, onto a fresh round.
I have a security 9 and love it. It’s my go to home defense pistol. My wife shoots and enjoys it as well. Federal 50 grain was what I used to use in a Taurus 4” chambered in 22 magnum. That 22 mag Taurus was my first handgun I ever purchased a long time ago and used it for target shooting and trail walking. I sold that Taurus and upgraded from it with a SP-101 357 3”. Nice video.
I agree with you that your test , is fair for the length comparison between barrels . People that don’t obviously have never looked into the chamber of auto loader to realise that there is no rifling in that part of the barrel , nor have had a look into the revolver and seen there is no rifling in the chambers of the wheel of the revolver . The only thing that makes a big difference in a revolver compared to an auto loader , is the gas pressure and unburnt and burning powder that comes out between the cylinder and the force cone .
There are other CZcamsrs that have shot same brand of 22 rimfire through Different length barrels out of revolvers .
In order for a 40 grain bullet to be equal to a 115 grain bullet going 1100fps or there about the 40 grain bullet would have to be traveling 2000+fps simular to a TCM 22 round to equal the power of a 9mm 115 grain traveling 1100
I wish RIA could make a polymer subcompact or even a metal BBR in 22TCM or 22TCM9R .
@@louisbabycos106 the only subcompact TCM 22 l know of that is subcompact size is the Rock Ultra CS-L Combo 9mm/TCM9r part#56633 it's 8 rounds and a 3.6 barrel it's not polymer the only problem is with the short barrel and the TCM 22 round goes 1950-2050fps out of a 5 inch barrel gun this number goes way down in a shorter barrel pistol to 1600-1700fps so still fast but less energy under 300 foot pounds and less effective l have a 17 round TCM 22 1911 5 inch combo 9mm/TCM 22 for quite awhile now had a MAPP 3.6 barrel TCM9R pistol also but it developed issues and when l sent it back to RIA they said they couldn't replace it or fix it because they stopped production of the gun and replacement parts so they replaced it with the CS-L Combo part#56633 and l am smiling from ear to ear so RIA replaced a MAPP TCM9R pistol that gave me issues that l payed 350 dollars for with the CS-L Combo part#56633 that costs 780 dollars RIA service department has the absolute best service department in the gun industry good reasonable people that will go way out of their way to make you happy at least from my dealing with them my double stack TCM 22 1911 has a production or serial number under 10,000 it shot TCM 22 rounds fine and with the 9mm barrel it shot 9mm rounds fine then they came out with TCM9R ammo and advertised it works in all TCM 22 1911 pistols mine would not chamber the TCM9R rounds it had issues come to find out the early TCM 22 1911s with a serial number under 10,000 didn't have a fully supported ramped barrel is what was causing the chambering problem called RIA they sent me a shipping label l returned it to them they replaced both the TCM 22 barrel and the 9mm barrel with fully supported and ramped barrels it would have costed me 300+ dollars to replace both they did it free of charge now the gun runs TCM 22 TCM9R and 9mm flawlessly it runs everything like a fine Swiss watch RIAs service department is top notch
Use what you must, a mouse gun beats harsh language. But years ago Col.Cooper shared an anecdote about a guy involved in a shooting fracas; only after the action was done, did the fellow notice he was leaking a bit. Turns out he’d been shot through the bicep with a 22 magnum, but had not noticed in the excitement. If I have the option of using something bigger, I will.
I've never known anyone that got shot with a .22 Mag, but over the years I have known of three different people who were accidentally shot with .22LR and all three hit the ground dead,guess it depends on where the bullet hits, a .22LR bullet in the chest can put holes through major arteries and that is not condusive to the continuation of life,that said, over all i would prefer something larger myself.
@@hubertwalters4300 exactly. A .22 can be deadly, but it is not an instant stopper. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but bigger really is better.
Very interesting comparison. I have never handled a LCRx or had any experience in .22 Mag., but was interested in that particular revolver. I did not realize that the trigger pull was that much more than a centerfire revolver. That was a very good comparison. I am not sold on the Federal Train+Protect 9mm, but I'm sure that people do carry it because it is affordable.
Rimfire cartridges are more difficult to ignite reliably. The hammer has to hit the cartridge with more force than a center-fire. Ergo, stronger hammer spring so a heavier trigger pull.
Thanks for the 22 mag video. While I wouldn't want to get shot with any firearm, I've shied away from the 22. I did get a 32 auto but changed to a 9mm. Even that seems inadequate at times with a short barrel.
I'd like to see a 45-70 test from a Mares Leg though. That would be interesting as I'd feel more secure carrying that.
Low recoil plus effectiveness is what some ammo's can give you in a 380 ACP. See the video: The Best Handgun Caliber - A Real World Study which shows you that 380 is as deadly as any other pistol caliber. There are now some good choices for 380 pistols from very tiny to full size and everything in between. I prefer 9mm as it is cheaper to shoot, while still remaining small with the true Micro 9's like the P365 where it can be easily carried in a pocket. Anything larger and they are not micro 9's but sub compact, so they are much harder to pocket carry. Also with practice the Micro 9's can not only be accurate, but also fun to shoot as well as can be shot all day long (if you have enough ammo).
I wouldn't want to try to stop a 22mag with my body. Ya hear ppl talk smack about 22 but you'll not see anyone try to catch one😅. Great video as usal 👍👍
Especially with modern powder and bullets. There's all kinds of 22mag self defence ammo out there now. Actually got into a debate with a guy that said he'd honestly rather have a sharp stick for self defense.
@@buddyrevelle736 give him a catchers mitt and tell him try to catch a few since they're harmless😄. Some ppl don't realize how goofy they sound saying that 22 can't hurt ya. Everyone I've known that works in the HP says patients bleed and die from 22 same as 9mm
I catch a couple 22mags the other day with my bare hands then head butted a few out the air !!! After that I picked them up and threw then so fast with my bare hand it went through the person that shot them at me !!! Moral of the story ,don't mess with me !!!
@@andywilson8698 if you say so buddy😂, I'd never argue with a man that can do that😂
@@jimchambers7548 well you learned quicker then the other guy!!! Lol
GS. Another good and interesting video. I appreciate your work in putting these videos together. Take care.
Thanks! Take care
Great test.
I really do enjoy these tests, especially with the underdog cartridges ( 22lr, 22mag, .380 etc) even the pellet gun and slingshot stuff you did was pretty interesting…I don’t usually miss any of your videos… thank you and keep ‘em coming!
Have you thought about doing a fire ball test , a lot of altercations the in the dark.
No. I don't shoot where I live. It's a big production every time I go out and to go out in the dark would be difficult, plus it was at one time illegal to shoot at night in my area, so I just have no interest in doing that.
I love ur comparisons, becuz they provide lots of info re what one may want to carry; I have both 9mm & 22 mag (+other calibers) & I often carry something different each day (depending on what I'm wearing, where I'm going, etc); so seeing comparisons are ALWAYS helpful & hope u'll do more, like with (or between) .380, .357 mag & other calibers!😃🇺🇸
Really appreciate all the ammo testing you do.
Yay -- on the wad cutters
wad cutters make the bad guy look like " Wiley Coyote "
Yeah, these apples to oranges comparisons are interesting and they have value in giving perspective.
Good video. My only issue with any kind of rimfire is that I've learned that I can't depend on it to go boom when I press the trigger.
I love the sign nothing here is worth dying for 😂😂😎👍
First of all nice video. I know that you are on a budget. However if you could use at least three different name brands of ammo for each caliber. I say because not all ammo is created equally and therefore give different results on name brand of ammo with the type of firearm you are using. The Gel test gave out a lot of data but I was not able to see the bullets after you shot the Gel. The reason behind that is that hollow points are velocity based and if a hollow point does not expand then it is just a more expensive bullet doing the same damage as a full metal jacket. Also when it comes to damage in firearms, there are two types. The temporary wound chanel where the bullet hits the target so hard it expands the soft tissue a lot wider than the bullet for about half a second which puts the target in shock. Next is the permanent wound chanel where the bullets creates a wound which stays the diameter of the bullet which is where a hollow point aids in creating a larger permanent wound chanel. Now in my opinion which is just my opinion and nothing more. I would consider a 9mm better than a 22 magnum for home defense unless the user is new and may be intimidated by a 9mm or someone who is not accurate with a 9mm and cannot handle the recoil. Then the 22 magnum is a great choice.
Two perfect examples I can give you is I taught my daughter how to shoot with 22 magnum then worked her up to 9mm but now she prefers 38 special. She knows how to use 9mm and she is very affective with it. The second is my aunt. She has bad arthritis, and she has hard time shooting 9mm because it hurts her wrist. However she is very comfortable shooting 22 magnum. The moral of these two stories is that it's up to your preference which one is better for you. Last but not least either one is a whole lot better than nothing. Sorry this became a short story and those are my opinions and nothing more.
I prefer larger bores than a .22 for defense. Sure it might get the job done if I hit em just right under stress....and then maybe im off because i require laser accuracy with such a tiny round. But hey I'm not about to crap on people's choices. I carry a 9+1 .40 S&W around everyday with a 12 round back up mag and a 5 shot j frame off side. People are gonna tell me I lack capacity but after X amount of rounds I'm more concerned about power and bullet diameter.
You are speaking about sexual density. Something I'm not familiar with. This is why I love watching your channel. Always something new and exciting.
A long time ago, I met someone at the range who was a surgeon in the ER; he said most of the firearm cases he saw were from .22's
That's due to everyone having them, mathematical odds there. Doesn't make it effective to stop a threat in the moment, even a bb gun requires medical intervention to some degree.
@@GunSam
I respectfully disagree with that statement. The most common caliber is 9mm, the reason there's more people are in the ER behind the 22 caliber is because people can shoot it more accurate due to less recoil. More shots on target 🎯
Beautiful 22 magnum revolver. Really like the look and color of it. Other than that the reason to carry a 22mag for self defense would be the same reason I want to deer hunt with a scoped 357 magnum....bragging rights. Who else is gonna say they shot something with one? lmao. It gets it done fairly well, though. Those projectiles are just so small and low grain.
I shot at a deer with a 6" model 629 .44 Mag from pretty close and missed it. Hunting is definitely different than plinking that's for sure. This LCRx came with black grips, but I like the flat dark earth color so I ordered the same grips in that color from Hogue, as the stock LCRx grips ARE Hogue.
Thanks for the video Sam!
Nitpickers are gonna nitpick. When "vs" is part of the title, it invites an adversarial response, and clicks. Comparison or trade-offs might (might?) get fewer nitpicks. Maybe also fewer clicks. I just think of it as two gel tests for the price of one.
Pmr30 has a pretty good trigger. And holds 30 rnds.
A gun has to know it's limitations. Or something like that.
S&W .380EZ. Enuff said.
RockOn.StayFree.
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say. .380 EZ is a good pistol, but I don't get what you are saying.
@@GunSam My Bad. Just meant that it's a good choice for people who have trouble with grip strength etc...plus, just trying to comment to boost the algorhymism (?) thingy.
It's a good pistol, I like my 380EZ. That being said, if I was realistically looking at people I know that truly have some issues, I would be recommending something like the Ruger LCR in .357 Magnum. Reason being is I have worked with people with true arthritis or that have small stature hand strength, and they tend to have zero issue opening and closing a revolver cylinder as where even easy rack pistols can be a challenge for them.
The reason for .357 Magnum and the LCR is simply because that caliber version weighs more than the .38 Special version so it soaks up more recoil and because the trigger cam system makes the trigger pull weight nearly as light as a semi auto trigger.
Then the ammo I would have them using would be .38 Special wadcutters, as in my experience the recoil of those in a revolver are less than the lightest .380 ACP round, yet .38 Special wadcutters are very effective, no need for hollow point expansion.
Love your ballistics test videos, feel the same way you do about revolvers (for pocket guns, pertaining to your other video) Often search up your tests to research a particular caliber and load
When doing comparisons, you need an anchoring characteristic; like weight, velocity, or material deformation (lead, copper, ball). With cartridges at the same velocity all other things can be evaluated. The greatest determinant which would skew results is subsonic vs supersonic. Subsonic bullets need to use momentum and supersonic need to use kinetic energy. It's unfair to compare momentum for one to kinetic energy for another.
It really depends on the ammo choice though. I've seen drastically different results with different kinds of ammo. Have seen 22wmr do some good penetration with some good ammo. With 22wmr and 9mm, the "damage" in the gel is 100% nonexistent with human flesh. Only a couple organs will get damaged like that... but for the vast majority of rounds/shots, the damage will only be along the direct path of the bullet... and the difference in hole size between 22lr and 9mm is almost nonexistent also. The difference in damage from expanding bullets is also nonexistent too. The expansion may slow the bullet down more and make it safer to not over-penetrate... but it really don't make a larger hole or cause any more damage to surrounding tissues. It definitely does in some organs (like the liver, brain and spleen)... but the vast majority of handgun wounds have damage only in the direct path of the bullet. It's nothing more than a thin hole, like stabbing a person with a screwdriver. Penetration is usually the only thing that matters, unless the bullet is somehow pressed against an artery or something like that and cutting off blood flow or if you hit a specific organ the brain, brain stem, spinal cord, heart, spleen, etc...
Filmed 5/6/23
5th August 2023?
You got a licence for that time machine! 🤣🤣
@@somebloke13 5/6/23. That means May 6th 2023. If you aren't from America, this is how dates are done here. August 5th 2023 would be 8/5/23. I am failing to understand your comment.
@@DasGoodSoup I figured as much, but even so, 6th of August 2023 wouldn't be 5/6/23 lol, it would be 06/08/23
If you knew a fight was coming you'd grab a 12ga. or AR. But they're a little much for walking the dog down the street. I have a .22WMR but never even considered it for defense even though it's a great plinking or short range varmint gun. I'd recommend carrying as much gun as you can handle. I personally like the weight of "enough gun".
It must expand. A longer barrel is probably very much needed.
BILLIONS MUST EXPAND
The trigger pull on my LCRx in 22lr is about the same--very stiff. The typical person who needs a low recoil option would get nowhere with it...unless they cock the hammer.
What do you think about the NAA mini revolver maybe just for a backup gun it's something your always have on you
I used to have one, traded it in several years ago as it was just for fun to me. Personally, I find that the little LCP .380 carries just as concealed always on me VS the NAA mini size of firearm. That's just me, if I needed a backup I would carry bigger.
How does the 22 mag compare with .32 S&W long wadcutter for self defense?
Similar. From the limited info I have, .32 S&W Long is a tad better.
I miss the bologna pec pack 😂 Nice rest👌
One thing I've noticed about your videos is a lot of bullets tumble. Causes a lot of damage. Being a FD medic for 23 years, I've seen damage to human body and sometimes more than gel, sometimes less
Depending on what the bullet is, what it has to go through before it enters body and what it hits in body. Any bullets can be lethal, some faster than others
Seen fatal shot from one 22lr , and non lethal from 44mag. Like your videos.
I know this is a pistol test. But put that .22 mag in a rifle with vmax, gold dot, or punch. Then it’s night and day.
Heck, u oughta try it with my teeny, tiny NAA .22 mag revolver!😂
I have. Never cared for my NAA mini
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& btw, a really good video👍😃
380 is the minimum caliber I would trust for self-defense. The only revolver I would carry for self-defense would be a 4-inch 357 magnum.
Thanks EBM, not sure .22 mag is bad, more concerned about the fact that it is a rimfire cartridge.
Yup, I'm in the same boat as you. Smallest I carry is a 380.
I prefer not to get below.38spl +p
However a .22mag would be better than nothing and you would have the added Benefit of the amount of ammo you could carry
Have u forgotten about .32 revolvers - the best low recoil sooution?
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The Walther WMP would be a better choice for this test, or the S&W 22 mag
lol. Yeah "better" as in ignore the historical use of .22 mag and the 99% of the time platform it's used in, to use some dumb@ss new huge, impractical pistol no one likes.
Good info but going to stick with 9mm. Headed to range Weds...train train train
All do respect to the .22 magnum, but I'd rather have a bigger, heavier bullet. Mass times velocity...
try a riund nose in 22lr and mag They go deeper
Yes 22 mag for self defence if a fox is charging me. Pick the right tool for the job.With more 38 rev available since it is an ancient caliber why not have another tool in the box.
...but having a .22 mag's certainly better than having nothing at all (LOL)
Your first test jell shot 22mag was impressive and the 9 not at all. The second shots very different , the 22mag not nearly as good ,and the 9 did better than the first test . Weird results on both .