Shooting .38 Super in .38 Special and .357 Magnum Revolvers
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- Paul tests .38 super ammo in .38 special and .357 magnum revolvers.
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“Just because you can put it in there, should you?” True for so many things in life.
LOL
Well it fits dammit !!! 😳
@@firestorm8471 its always going to fit .bit will stretch a mile before it rips a inch
Stretch is good,,,,,,very, very good..😎
@@firestorm8471 10lb people come out of that hole . Your 6 0z weiner isn't going to stretch anything
This question never crossed my mind but I happily spent 28.5 minutes listening to the answer. Well done as usual. Thank you for all your content.
Seriously. I don't own a .38 Special or a .357, and I seriously doubt I will ever buy a .38 Super. Yet I find this extremely interesting anyway.
Suddenly my 357 mag cut for moon clips can shoot 4 calibers!!! 357 mag, 38 special, 380acp, and 38 super!!!! Thanks Paul! 👍😉
@@texas66 And .38 Largo. And 9×21? 9×23 Winchester?
Time flys. Especially it's about wheelguns
My favorite Paul videos are like this one, where he gets super autisty. :)
I've been shooting for 51 years and 'know it all' especially about old school guns & ammo. Then you come along and teach me something new. Cut it out already, my brain is too full as it is! Paul, thanks for keeping it fresh every video. Thanks from a 73 y/o shooter. 🧡👍
I'm 70, have been shooting 60 years. WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
@@happyhankjr Thanks for the reply. I didn’t know that 38 Super is even higher MAP allowance than 357 Magnum but isn’t that the way things go? Someone wants similar velocities out of a smaller cartridge and the result is even higher pressures.
I’m I in koi hi by but I 7:42
@@johnwaddell4107 what???
@Henry Murphy just curious, how can the 38 super have higher pressure than the 357, but be 200 fps slower?
We love you Paul, get well Sir!!
This is a good visualization of why "stacked tolerances" are important.
if a manufacturers chamber is on the high end of the tolerance scale and the ammo is on the low end of the tolerance scale the overlap will allow this to "work"
As someone who's given years to the factory, I can agree 100%. Thousandths matter...
Exactly. Good comment.
@@BeingFireRetardant yep. Thousandths matter!!!! An example of this is the Knights Armament SR-15 rifle and why it is so much better than ANY of its’ competitors. They just work and tolerances matter significantly when it comes to firearms.
@@DaveL9170 Yes. Because we're talking about "gunpowder", I concur that thousandths matter.
. 38 super falls into my 1911 perfectly.
Am I the only one who appreciates Paul picking the correct cartridge out of his pocket by feel at 4:26 ?
The man is a true Pro
As soon as I saw him do it I was impressed, typical Paul
Did not expect this to be so fascinating but damn straight I was hooked when the testing of various ammo against various cylinders started!
Anything with cylinders, eh Dev?
@@StringerNews1 hah, yes indeed! 👍😁👍
2 of the most information dense CZcams content creators in 1 video...
Same, I don't particularly care about lift systems, but I still watch your videos about them, as its very interesting :)
Surprised to see you here man
Can we appreciate how the entire loading/unloading segment was continuous and uninterrupted? Paul is a master presenter.
Definitely no Yankee Marshall. lol.
If all my teachers in high school explained with detail and backstories I'd be a engineer
Engineers never explain much, even in engineering school… which is why i hated engineering school
More likely a writer
I would have retained a lot more knowledge.
No kidding!!! Too bad we can’t clone Paul and replace 98% of the teachers and professors in the country
No wonder. I AM an engineer and while being a student I hated lectures with pure theory and loved ones where practical application of all those formulas was explained.
Another masterpiece from the real expert. Timely content too. A friend of mine just got a whole case of 38 super for free. He has a Ruger GP100 357. His friend told him “it will work.” I will share this with my friend and he “can be the judge”.
Thanks Paul
The only problem I could see with firing .38 super in .357, is the hammer striking too deep in the .38 super primer, which would cause it to potentially burn out the back of the case. This seems unlikely though. GP 100, L frames and N frames are very strong revolvers so they should have zero problems with .38 operating pressures.
If I got a case of .38 Super Auto ammo free, I'd be out looking to buy a .38 Super Auto pistol to go with it.
@@gregb6469 No shit, a Rock Island arsenal 1911 in .38 super is $475. I looked it up and saw cases of the ammo going for $475 at minimum.
Good excuse to buy a .38 super government model!
Love my gp100, built like a freaking tank. I know that's been said thousands of times but it's true
Paul is probably the only person on the internet who I can watch the tedious process of trying to load multiple different revolvers with unintended ammo, and actually be entertained.
He is a true professional and fantastic instructor who holds your attention.
Something I have learned with my .32 H&R magnum revolver, which accepts .32H&R, .32 Smith and wesson Long, Regular 32 S&W, and .32 short; is that shooting a revolver with a much shorter cartridge than it is designed for tends to create a LOT of fouling behind the small ridge inside the cylinder that the case mouth rests on. This effect is GREATLY increased if you are shooting non jacketed lead bullets. After a few cycles of shorter rounds the longer ones may no longer fit due to fouling build up.
Whatever reason you want to shoot the shorter bullets for, in my opinion, is not worth the hassle of the extra cleaning unless as you stated the world has ended and I'm fighting raiders dressed in bondage gear.
It's very useful to have "Swiss Army" guns when you happen upon a store or gunshow vendor blowing out, say, ancient .32 Short or unpopular .32 Magnum for 5 cents a round and you can shoot it in your .327. I once bought 1,000 rounds of .45 Schofield for 20 bucks and use it for range days with my .45/410 Judge.
This is why I'm interested in a .327 LCR(X), but the guns themselves are impossible to find in stores
@@quinnmclaughlin7537 I miraculously acquired an LCR .327 about three months ago, following 350 rounds of assorted .327 and 32 H&R Mag without one issue, it's now my EDC. BTW, I was gifted approximately 700 rounds of 32 S&W Long and they are fun, accurate round too!
WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
Raiders dressed in Bondage gear nice hahaha! Sounds like mad max!
The light primer strike may have been caused by the fact that the rim on the 38 Super should be about 0.009" thinner than the rim on the .357 Magnum according to SAAMI specifications.
Exactly.. came here to mention that.
Use a rem 7 1/2 small rifle BR primer and they won't let you down.
WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
.38 Super rim thickness: 0.050
.357mag rim thickness: 0.060
With .010 inches set-back, it's conceivable that you might get a light primer strike, if all the other tolerance stacks end up being very unfavorable.
That .357 mag echo across the next ridge was a beautiful thing..
Paul’s ability to (apparently) extemporaneously rattle off those numbers, and go long stretches without a single “um” or “er” impresses me, every time.
I hate it when someone is trying to teach me something and they say "um" every sentence, it makes me think that they don't know what they are talking about!
the mark of a true orator
Mr. Harrell is a national treasure.
Just got off of work and opened a beer. Then suddenly find a shiny new Paul Harrell episode?! What a great day.
Yessir
I knew I was missing something!
ditto !
Tis
People keep asking me if I regret buying a S&W .357. After all, it was "pretty expensive". I say "no, it can shoot 2.5 different calibers"!
4.5 different cartridges. 38 colt, and 38 long colt.
@@stevenmike1878 , even 5.5 "different" calibers, if we count .38 SPL+P separately :-))
@@d.mangham5204 damn that’s true nice
@@d.mangham5204 +p+ perhaps?
@@andrewsavage1872, right! The old Treasury Load was a 110g +P+ 👍🏻
"Battling against a bunch of guys with mohawks and shoulder pads..." Oh, I got a good laugh out of that one. The line delivery and context are just flawless in these videos.
Who else in the world does this much testing on such an esoteric question. Damn interesting and even more thorough than usual and that is saying something. There is no one else like PH. He is blazing the trail for us.
WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
The "Don't Do This" warning might have been at the start before the "experts" started using a rubber mallet to pound .38 supers into their 38's.
I believe thats called the Darwin effect.
Just in case its not generally assumed... if you use a hammer to load force load your revolver just know that you are doing it wrong.
~ not a gun expert
Wait I can do that? Brb
🤣
She’ll run
@@jatpack3 You know someone is going to do it.
The only honest content left on CZcams. Regardless of subject matter. Thank you sir.
Sincere, thorough, informative. It is hard to find channels like this anymore.
There’s lots of honesty and truth out there but you need to know where to look. The biased google government with their ridiculous community standards make it very difficult to find because they have taken it upon themselves to decide for us what they believe we should and should not see and hear. 🤦🏻♂️
This is objectively untrue and hero worship. There are plenty of honest, wholesome and knowledgeable people making content on CZcams. I love Paul but he’s not the last good guy on earth.
@@randomfist797
Think they're just giving him props for being a solid guy.
We live in strange times. Perhaps a some somewhat tedious, and maybe a little pedantic, diatribe on random specifics is exactly the sort of reliability we need...
Paul is the anti-hype guntuber. And it's refreshing in a sea of product and tactics videos. Maybe the best part is his solid use of reason as his favorite weapon.
I have a channel about scalping and scapling activities
This is the best “gun-tuber” channel ever. So accurate and so informative. Not just guys shooting cool guns.
This topic had never even occurred to me. I don't think I'd ever put a .38 Super into one of my revolvers and shoot it.
I was however envious of your Colt .38 Super that has figured in so many videos. I happened to have a Rock Island Armory full size 9mm handgun with adjustable sights, and wondered if I could install a .38 Super barrel in it to shoot that cartridge. So I emailed Rock Island and was pleased to receive a reply that there was no reason I couldn't do that. I ordered up a .38 Super barrel from RIA and an appropriate recoil spring, and when it arrived fitted the new barrel over the course of a pleasant hour. I did have to buy some .38 Super magazines, but it all works great. So for under $200 total I have a .38 Super. It's not a Colt, but it will do.
I bought the Rock Island 22TCM/9mm convertible. With a bit of fitting a standard replacement 38 Super barrel was fitted. The factory hicap RIA mags run all three calibers
It’s funny, the Sportsman’s Warehouse near me always has enough 38 Super ammo to justify owning one, yet trying to track down a 38 Super Pistol is akin to finding Paul in the woods, can be done, but requires a lot of work
What do you mean requires a lot of work? I heard Paul was easy to track in the woods. In fact someone even used the exact phrase "we tracked him easy" lol
Paul is very easy to find in the woods if you're a deer.
Unless you track him easy.
Deep cuts...
During the great ammo shortage on 2020-2021 I could find tons of 6mm ARC and 6.8 Western ammo on the selves because nobody had a gun that shot those.
I’ve been shooting for 52+ years. I learned something new today. Great presentation.
This needed addressed and Paul handled it articulately like the pro he is.
Another good lesson proving whether your ammunition markings are the exact same as those on your barrel, you still need to test every round you place in your firearm and make sure it functions and performs correctly.
Hope you’re doing well Paul. Thank you for the upload!
I've been shooting guns for over 52 years. It never dawned on me to even try stuffing .38 Super into a .38 Special or .357 Magnum. And now I don't have to try it.
About ten or so years ago I had to test fire a gun that someone was arrested with. It was a cheap RG 38 revolver loaded with 38 Super ammo (I don't remember the brand) We put the gun in a vise, tied a string to it's trigger and got behind a ballistic shield and to my amazement, the gun didn't blow up. It fired with no problem. I don't think I would ever consider shooting it in my hands, but it did work that one time.
@RogerWilco99 That's exactly why we have proof loads, which any responsible manufacturer uses to establish a good safety margin. From what I can find it looks like the hottest .38 Special proofs are 29.5K PSI, which could be rather a problem since .38 Super Auto is specified at 36.5K PSI standard, to say nothing of proofing loads. Sounds like it's going to depend heavily on just how much more overbuilding a manufacturer is willing to do above and beyond the already generous margin built in to proofing.
This man is a great American legend. Period. We love you Paul!
"Just because you can put it in there, should you?"... A question I am sure many of us have asked ourselves at one time or another.
PEEPEE JOKE HAHA
If it don't belong in there I can assure you, that question has never crossed my mind.
Any man who's been around the block certainly has!
As someone who likes to consider entirely too many "what if" scenarios you gave me another solid reason to favor a .357 magnum revolver even if .38 special would be its regular diet. Thank you for being great at what you do!
Unless you are going for a super light CCW revolver, there is really no downside to having it chambered in .357.
Paul Harrell is a national treasure, as well as ten thousand more like individuals in the country. We can't let our culture die.
357 is not that fun to shoot out of a snubby in my opinion. Stings my hands quite a bit
That's my go to EDC solution, although my reasoning has more to do with my aging hands and wrists and recoil and the fact I've been shooting revolvers throughout the last 40 years much more than my 1911s. 🙂
@@DannLikesFans yup, but the muzzle flash is impressive 🤣🤣👍
God Bless Paul Harrell. I love this guy and always will, he is just the best.
You know it's a good video when even the "tedious" parts are interesting.
A revolver episode, heck yeah! Good stuff Paul, thanks for the upload!
I guess it's good to know that, in a pinch, if one HAD to use .38 Super in a .357 Magnum, that it would be possible and safe, with little or no effect on accuracy, depending upon gun and ammo combinations as stated, but it's not something that one should make a habit of. Thanks for the tip, Paul...
Yeah. Exactly. After seeing Paul do this, any other situation where trying it would be worth considering would already count as a very bad day, week, year, decade, etc.
As usual, the best of the best on YT-- Paul is the best at what he does. He's a marksman and a great teacher. Those are my words, but you be the judge.
16:06 Paul’s words ringing in the ears of every beer goggled chad.
Can’t go wrong following this man’s advice on firearms ..
I'm from a country where it's near on impossible to own guns but I still love these videos, your in depth analysis of things is very good.
How do criminals get it then? You can get it the SAME way lol
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Criminals care a whole lot less about being locked up for 10 or more years. That could be 25+ if you actually _kill_ someone with your illegally-owned firearm, even a burglar _in your own home,_ who needless to say has *_no_* right to be there!
@@pulaski1 This is gonna sound dark but, you can't get charged if they can't find the body 🤷♂️
I came from a zone with cartel so that's pretty much how things run lol.
Since you can't own guns, you can grab formaldehyde into a spray gun. You made a chemical weapon. When you spray that, anywhere on the skin, it makes you in complete pain for 20 mins.
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Yeah, that's dark alright. If you live in a relatively safe country and have a good job, a family, and nice things, like a house and car, then it doesn't make any sense to do something such as owning a gun when it is not legal to do so, and put your entire life at risk just for an illegal weapon.
Another problem is that when guns are illegal, the sound of a gun firing will bring the police very quickly, so you might only have minutes to conceal the body, clean up the blood, and repair any damage caused by bullets. ... In short, it's not possible!
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Years ago when I was reloading, I would load really nice Sierra 115gr. 9mm JHP bullets into .38 Spl. rounds. .355 v. .357. diameters. I figured if it was good enough for Lee Jurras it was good enough for me. Result: Good accuracy, speedier bullets, reduced pressures. Worked for me -- YMMV. Thanks for an informative video.
WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
Very interesting! Some .357 mag revolvers (like the taurus 692) also let you use 9mm ammo with a cylinder swap.
Since bullets are typically sized about 8 thousandths larger than the minor diameter of the barrel, I would expect .355" bullets to work in .357" barrels more often than not.
Another factor to consider before anyone goes popping off any .38 Super in a .38 SPL cylinder is this: most modern .38 Super ammo is loaded to "PLUS P" pressures!
Tolerances aside, the 9X19, .40 S&W/10mm, and .38 Super all have nominally the same rim dimensions, so it turns out that the 9X19 is "rimless", the .40/10 are also "rimless" due to a body taper characteristic, and the .38 Super is a "semi-rim". The same shellholder/shellplate is used for all three. The differences between the 9X19 and the .38 Super are that while they are very close to the same diameter at the mouth, the 9mm has more body taper where the .38 Super has very minimal taper, and the .38 Super case is slightly longer. The .40/10 end up being "rimless" because their body diameter just ahead of the rim is very close to the tapered 9mm, but being a straighter case, their mouth ends up being the right size to hold that .401" bullet. Also, that rim is much thinner than the .38Spl/357Mag rim, which can cause misfires due to the excess headspace presented.
Thank you Sir for the video demonstration. I enjoy learning and obtaining more gun knowledge. I feel that at 67 I still can learn a lot from good people like you. Again thank you Sir and your crew.
27:30 The hornets' nest analogy had me literally LMFAO I agree 100%, Paul
And for some tangential comedic relief to this post, one time I had had a couple of brews and decided to see if some ground hornets would enjoy a beer as much as I do so I poured a beer into the hole in the ground leading to their nest...several stings and a couple of cans of wasp spray later I came to the painful realization that just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do that thing...
Yep... words to live by, for sure.
Yep same goes for my ex girlfriend learned that the hard way just because you can doesn't mean you should LOL
@@budgetbuyoutmisc.4916 same...several times over, in fact...lmao
Hold my beer and watch this !!!
Goes to show that if a presenter is passionate about something and is also knowledgeable about the subject beyond the basic points, the audience will be hooked to the end. As always a masterpiece by PH
I LOVE your “tedious” explanations, please keep it up, I watch your content specifically to get the FULL story and for your expertise with firearms. Thank you Paul.
That was a really cool demonstration. Never heard of this mismatch. Makes people who claim they know either way look rather silly.
For the uninformed, a sheet of paper is about .003 of an inch.
When he says a variation of .001 of an inch, keep in mind that it's .001 around the whole thing, meaning it's more like .0005 (per side)
I have done this experiment with 32 acp in 32 H&R mag and 327 federal magnum revolvers with no chambering issues but in all 5 guns certain chambers would have soft primer strikes resulting in failure to fire. Also none of the guns would eject the cases. So concluded that why do it ,unreliable and hard to remove cases plus no power advantage, if I wanted a easier shooting round I would use 32 long ammo. Totally agree with Paul. Thanks for another great video.
Even as a US Marine (no longer in service) I still love learning things and this channel has to be one of the greatest explanative channels I've ever seen that truly wants to just give you information, and not just a textbook read along based style but from user experience as well as trial and error.
Thank you so much for everything you've taught me Paul Harrell. Never stop being you!
In the late 70's, early 80', many police and private security entities alowed/required the private purchase of their carry revolver but forbade the use of .357mag ammo for carry. Those with. 357mag revolvers wanting more power than .38+P would use .38super. Massad Ayoob mentioned the same option. As per the misfire, only that cartridge knows for sure but the .38super not only has a smaller rim in DIAMETER but ALSO in THICKNESS. Having a THINNER rim puts the primer a wee bit farther away from the firing pin, which may have caused the misfire.
😳thank you
Yes indeed, this gap between primer and a revolver's recoil shield is called "headspace," and excessive headspace can cause a "light strike" or even a "no strike." The tolerances necessary to get a positive primer strike that is neither too deep nor too shallow, are once again a matter of thousandths of an inch. This entire video is full of great examples of gun and ammo tolerances in design, manufacture (and wear matters, too!). "Tolerance stacking" of one variation atop the next, atop the next...at some point, malfunctions will arise.
Perfect thing to watch after a long nine hour shift in a mechanic shop, please keep making great videos
Easy work. Spent 20 years doing it. Min 12 hour days.
Get a real hard job. Be a gender studies Professor.
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I'm a .357 owner I've never seen anyone test this and give good evidence on whether or not it's safe to shoot .38super. Was told by a guy at the gun store it was safe. Did some research and it wasn't so cut and dry. Thanks paul for the real info and evidence.
This was one of the most enlightening videos I’ve watched in a while. I didn’t expect the outcome achieved. It’s good to know what your weapon can do just in case you need those capabilities.
I actually love your dawn of time explanations, and scientific method of answering questions. Things like trying multiple brands of ammo, with multiple brands and models of revolver. Sometimes there isn't a strait answer, it's not black and white, or yes/no, and you go into detail as to why that is.... this is what I love about your videos! That does come with the caveat of the fact that I am probably weird, and that the opinions of others can and will more than likely differ from my own.
My personal favourite revolver is my Ruger security six .357 magnum . The adjustable sights and extra barrel length along with the robust frame and ergonomic grips make for a lighter recoil with superior accuracy than most revolvers I have shot. I do appreciate the beauty of the new Colt Pythons but something always brings me back to my security six.
Thanks for reluctantly offering merchandise, love my “Please bear with the gunfire “ hope it helps support the channel
You really do a fantastic job at keeping things simple for your audience of new shooters to understand and at the same time interesting for the more experienced of us. It’s the hallmark of a great teacher. Thanks Paul!
An excellent presentation on a question that I hadn't even pondered before. I never would've guessed that 38 Super would even chamber in a revolver, let alone eject properly (depending upon the type and the gun, of course). That change in shooting stance got a good laugh out of me, and the comprehensiveness that these videos strive for is always impressive. Keep up the fantastic work, Paul and crew!
Literally had this the other day at work. A novice gun owner came in looking for .38 special ammo. All we had was some more expensive critical defense. The saw the cheaper box of 38 super and grabbed it up. I had to break it to them that it was the wrong ammo.
I suppose that's if the had a 38. If it was a 357, maybe? They could have used it.
This very issue is one of the reasons why ammo is sold behind the counter in my state too many injuries from lack of knowledge (which is different from stupidity).
@@kekeke4467 so you put diapers on everyone because some do not smart things?
@@dontworrybout2664 not saying I agree with it but that was the reason given
"You were so involved with figuring out whether you COULD do it that you didn't stop to consider whether you SHOULD do It!" The only sane sentence to ever come out of the mouth of any of Jeff Goldblum's characters...
Finally gave in and bought my first wheelgun. Not only did I get an addition to my collection, I also get to rewatch all of Mr. Harrell's revolver videos and actually have them be relevant to me.
What an amazing degree of effort this man exerts to answer these types of simple questions. The amount of detail is truly extraordinary. The MOST impressive segment of the presentation was when Paul demonstrated whether or not the different types of ammo would fit into the different types of revolvers WITHOUT getting confused about any of it. Well done, Sir!
Glad to hear you covering this I always wondered that myself.
Very interesting, thank you Paul Harrell and team
You know, I’ve learned a little bit from Paul here over the time I’ve watched his channel. I may not always be on point watching videos daily, but I always get a little excitement when I see older videos come up in recommendation!
As always, good content.
"I've got a few revolvers..." =wheels in a pile ranging from pop guns to hand artillery= "Just another day at the 'range'."
My god when he said it doesnt fit, then said "or does it", he really flipped the script right there. Blew my mind.
Best gun channel on CZcams. Period.
Always learning something, when watching your videos, thank you.
Amazing presentation as always
I'd say he has all bases covered. It doesn't get more thorough without becoming ad nausea... Unless of course Paul Harrell is doing it.
He is the Ultimate Warrior of shooting..
Great video! Thanks Paul!
Absolutely incredible about the fit of different ammo in different guns.
The amount of time and knowledge you put into this video earned my subscription 👍👍
Another highly informative vid! Thx, Paul
Thanks Paul. Very important points. Good video as usual.
Paul’s “mad max scenario” with .38 SuperAuto in a .38 Special revolver shooting stance is the same shooting stance I use when testing out new hand loads.
Not gonna lie. I've done the same back in the days when I was chasing hand cannon limits. And yes you can go too far with 405gr .458 (swaged down of course) bullets in a 454. When THAT extraction is "sticky needs a rubber hammer to the extractor", you're probably over the design limits. Fortunately it was a Super Redhawk (and still is).
You are awesome! Your presentations are educational , interesting and damn fun. Missed the Pop Tarts intro. Thanks.
Outstanding job as usual!
Keep'em coming!
As always, an excellent informative video!! Thanks for Sharing !!
Paul, your doing GODs work and man I wouldn’t even call it work if you love what your doing! Keep up the videos and educational information. The practical application you provide is phenomenal!
Just because you can put it in there doesn't mean you should is advice dads have been giving sons since the dawn of time.
Very good and informative vid Paul.....thanks once again!
Perfect like usual. Very good questions, very proper answers. I love when Paul is asked a question that leads to saftey comcerns "ABSOLUTELY DO NOT DO THAT" and when its a question where it really doesnt matter, he just sends us off with the reassuring, "YOU be the judge". Just splendid
This past weekend me and my father take out the old colt police 38sp to the "range", this video is in great timing thanks Paul
Thanks Paul! We need to teach the young ones about those "yeah you can but it's not really a good idea" moments in life. lol
Well they say stupid should be painful...but it depends on the kid I'd say. A nice whelp is a good reminder as a bruise, but really don't want to have something reattached .
WARNING maximum SAAMI pressure... 38 Special-17,500 psi...357 Magnum-35,000 psi...38 Super-36500 psi.
So don't use the forward assist 🤣🤣
And don't join a gang that requires shoulder pads and special haircuts.
Paul. You are a great instructor with lots of patients. Keep up the great videos.
Nice little cabin there, Paul. Glad to see the spread coming along. Also- thanks for answering questions I didn't know I had!
I have some of my father’s old .38 Super laying around, was curious about this exact question!
I’m surprised you didn’t review the SAAMI specs with regards to the pressure differences between the 3 cartridges. 38 super being 36,500 psi verses 38 special, (standard), being 17,000 psi. Even the father of the 38 Super, the 38 automatic pressures exceed the 38 special +P, but that another video…
This. It was my first thought, before even considering whether it would physically fit.
Where does the 357 fit in with pressure? I would assume quite a bit more than 38 special, about the ballpark of super?
@@matthewbeaver5026 357 is 35,000 psi. Also, for completeness, 38 special +P is about 20,000.
SAAMI specs also tell that 38 Super casings are .384 in diameter with up to -.006 tolerance (.378 in at lowest), and .357 Magnum chamber is .3809 in diameter with up to +.004 tolerance (.3849 in at highest), which explains why only some cartridges fit in some guns. With enough tolerances going around it is no wonder that they fit, and the pressure difference is practically nothing since they are still tested at 30% above standard, and there are always some variation in pressures due to measuring tolerances of the powder.
@@matthewbeaver5026 the maximum pressure for the 357 mag is considerably higher than the 38 Super. However, it’s never a good idea to fire cartridges in a firearm they were not made for. I have not yet been able to confirm this but many years ago I spoke to a Dallas cop who worked there in 1963. They said at least one of the rounds of ammo Lee Oswald had in his 38 special revolver when he shot Officer Tibbet, was a 38 Super…
I love this style of presentation and have always been impatiently waiting for the following one.
What a great video! I really enjoyed it and I am truly impressed with this man ......thanks.
Thank you Paul, this is so fascinating to me; how you did everything possible to make sure what the results were. I ran into something with the 32 auto, some were fire in my revolver and some did not. Cool job my friend.
I recently inherited a S&W model 547. 9mm no moon clips. the design is a whole different animal. S&W put a lot of engineering into that one.
If you read up on the history of various cartridges, there's discussion of what dimensional characteristics were important, and what were less important. Additionally some characteristics might not have been important when a particular cartridge was designed, but later have been headspaced against and are now important.
Revolvers are an old idea, even predating the cartridge round. When the revolver cylinder was designed it was for cap-and-ball ammunition, with straight bore cylinders that were machined through entirely manual processes. When cartridges were invented, many cap-and-ball designs were adapted to cartridges, with the casing length being one of the easier means to control how powerful the round was.
Tapers in semiautomatic pistols appear to serve the purpose of allowing further tailoring of ammunition to pistol. Tolerances are tigher and theoretically performance should be improved. The wrong ammunition simply doesn't fit into the chamber, or if it fits it doesn't align properly to let the firing pin sufficiently contact the primer reliably.
Headspaces off of the case mouth and not the rim.
@@centurian318 I’m glad somebody finally said it.
Thank you, Paul, this is/was most informative and I appreciate your willingness to do this research and presentation.