A future for firearms licensing in the UK, by gun owners
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2023
- Broken, badly funded and not fit for purpose: that’s the verdict on the firearms licensing system in England and Wales. But BASC and politicians who understand the importance of shooting sports to the economy, the environment and countryside communities, believe it can be fixed.
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The police should not be managing firearms licenses. This needs to be an independent firearms authority that licences all individuals including police officers.
You should just have the right to have whatever kind of gun and how ever many you want to own. But I'm an American and grew up in a different mindset.
They will push forward with their new world order much easier if people are unarmed.
@@col.cottonhill6655 yea , but look at what happens there on a daily basis.
Where things end up without a 2nd Amendment
@@aeron-mw7ofs Look what happens anywhere, any time, with any kind of weapon.
Look at Britain, 1967, before the Firearms Act. 1918, before the 1919 Act. 1987, before the 88 amendment.
It changes nothing.
It does nothing other than make politicians more powerful and destroy the independence of the nation's people, their culture, their industry.
"But it's worth it for the lives it saves", you say, ignoring that without guns kids and adults alike just started stabbing each other, which - contrary to popular belief - results in death more often than shootings.
CBRN weapons should be regulated, of course, but firearms? No.
my mate who owns multiple guns told me that since having his license he has become a more responsible adult. Something like getting into road rage or a scuffle at the pub can get your guns took off you instantly, even if it's just temporary until the police get to the bottom of things. he'd prefer to just leave the situation entirely nowadays compared to his younger self.
I'm a paramedic, on a daily basis I have access to drugs that could very easily kill someone. I am however a responsible professional. Firearms aren't the issue here, neither are controlled drugs or cars, the issue here is the individual and the law must reflect this.
Bullshit, old people don't often commit robberies, murders, and mass shootings. Age isn't a serious factor.
Same here in Australia. I know a guy who lost all his firearms (rifles, shotguns and pistols) after smacking a guy during a fight. From memory, he can't own guns for ten years or so.
We need a 2nd ammendment. The old bill need to be out of it. The Plymouth inquest was about control.
The Plymouth inquest was about getting Devon and Cornwall police off the hook for mistakes THEY made and shifting the blame onto legal shooters who had done nothing wrong
As an American, I really hope Britain gets its own right to bear arms. Owning weapons is a Human right, same as speech and worship.
@@NorthernNorthdude91749One of the perks of being American.
It's always been big brother driving humanity backwards.
Its mad that you can be medically discriminated against in the UK. Surely even the most mid of midwits can think that maybe a cert holder might hide or not seek treatment for a condition because of how much impact it might have on their lives?
The controls should entirely focus on the individual, not the type of firearm, it's a waste of time. If an individual has proven they are safe, part of a club, monitored and securely storing their firearms, what difference does it make which firearms they can and can't own? A gun is a gun. Works in many countries in Europe and they don't have any problems. We are paranoid at this idea that if we allow specific types of firearms, it's automatically going to result in massacres, which is simply ludicrous. Look at Switzerland.
No crimall record and a half hr lesson to see if your safe that's it handgun rifle shotgun that's I Owen all 3 plus I can carry because I earn it by good behavior
The problem i am suffering at the moment is my Dr is anti gun , they put on my pro forma that I had ptsd and was aggressive at the same time I had my medical records sent to another company , the same medical records came back perfectly fine , didn’t mention ptsd (which I don’t have and have never been diagnosed with) and it said nothing about aggression because I’m not . I was once describe as so laid back I was horizontal 🤷🏻♂️
Id take them to the cleaners mate thats mal practice, he needs to have HIS license revoked, he is not fit to practice medicine. Hes damaging your life by slander and lies, take him to court.
@@freedomman06 unfortunately they know that not everyone has the money to take them to court , I’m better off spending 10% of the money and having a full psychological assessment done to disprove what they have written .
The shooting school I go to knows the police officer in charge of licensing and told me that they are aware of 3 Dr surgery’s in the are that are anti-shooting and can’t trust them
Your doctor faked you having PTSD so you weren't approved!?
@@MCJimboy10 currently waiting for the license but essentially yes , I had my ProForma filled out by a independent company and my doctors at the same time , both used my up to date medical records , the independent company came back fine but my doctors came back saying I had told a doctor that I may have ptsd symptoms , when I questioned them about it the doctor said they don’t have the ability to say I haven’t got it but they have to ability to say I might have it. The doctor said if I want it off my medical record I have to get a full independent physiological assessment performed and a written report hand delivered to my doctor.
Doctors are 🤬
A national firearms unit. As long as Thames Valley Police has absolutely nothing to do with it.
A national firearms unit ,as long as the police have nothing to do with it
The whole system is flawed. Saying the person is responsible,thwn then they can have section. 1.and 2 and a national system without stupid doctors costs. And 10 year renewals are all the way forward.
Good god,a MP talking common sense. I must make a note of his name. One of the few!!
I couldn't believe what I heard. Rewound and listened again.
What is the logic of Police stripping licence holders of sporting guns due to the Policing failure in Plymouth?
Around 50 illegal gun murders a year. So around 1800 since 1987. Legal gun murders for the same period is less than 60. But the UK public of course dont know this and the media/government/police want it to stay that way ,or the public might not be so supportive of 'gun control'. Why dont the shooting organisations ever educate the public about the reality of the oppresive laws in this country, compared to other European countries.
The issue are the ill people, not guns. If that guy wanted to harm people he could have done the same with attacks with a machete. We should focus on making sure these ill people have resources and a circle of friends. As I'm sure he was probably very lonely and sad, brewing with negativity and obviously no longer wanted to live.
nah this guy wanted to kill, he just needed an excuse. his life had to be that bad enough to drown out that little voice that tells you no, once it was then he cut off all guilt and accountability. If it wasn't a gun it could easily have been a car driving on the pavement or a knife in someone's chest. He needed to be identified and monitored first then sort out his social connectivity once he's under control.
@@samuelbanner6262 Well yeah that's my point. It's a mental health problem not a weapon problem. Chemical imbalances in brain. Most likely bad diet, bullied all through out school and never had any friends, and chronically online
Such an inestimable invasion of privacy and harassment leveled at honest, law abiding gun owners. Ridiculous and unacceptable among civilized free peoples.
Just renewed my SGC , the firearms licencing dept said that over the next couple of years theres going to be massive changes to firearms licencing in the UK
Was told in a roundabout way if I had any sense to sell the more expensive ones while they still held any kind of value, nice to be told that as a law abiding shooter since 1985
My friend works as a firearms officer for over 15 years this is the first he’s heard of this.
@@PATTERDALE78 what county is he in ?
First I've heard. I think there's some confusion here.
@@MKChase-uj9vx no confusion mate , just what was mentioned in a friendly chat , whether it has any truth in or not I dont know
@Graham peters how ya doing little fella
It is only total pathetic failures which have rsulted in serious killings by licence holders. Plymouth is just the last, Hungerford was also a result of pathetic police attention etc etc etc and no police senior officer has been sacked or resigned.
Dunblane the polices fault again, then they had a 100yr seal put on the inquest minutes to protect the one's that messed up. And we all lost our sporting pistols .
the police should not be incharge or the issuing or revoking of licences. it need to be a separate branch under the courts. the police have a conflict of interest in the matter
Regarding the early warning signs as it was put. The Plymouth shooter Jake assaulted someone. Then his guns were taken away and given back. This has nothing to do with anything medical in my opinion. It's a smoke screen for a colossal error. I put my application in on time but my doctor put my medical form in three weeks after. Meaning I do not get an extension. I have now put all of my guns in to lodging at MY expense, fter paying the doctor for the privilege. I am a Pest controller and have now lost a source of income. I am just hoping they are catching up with this backlog.
Fuck all that...Feel sorry for you guys across the pond..I just drive down to my local gun store and after a 15 minute background check I walk out with a new AR-15, shotgun, handgun, whatever..
I like the strict rules & general high regulations, it makes me appreciate what I am entrusted to posses and ensures I use it responsibly.
I for one would happily pay more for my FAC if:
A - Requests were processed in a timely manner
B - I was able to deal with more professional and knowledgeable firearms officers
C - The license came as a passport-like booklet instead of multiple folded up sheets of A4 paper
you get an identification card in some counties...?
@@samuelbanner6262 That would be ideal, but you need to be able to list the guns you own and keep signed copies of gun transactions.
Here in the UK you get 4 or 5 sheets of A4 paper in an envelope, one with your ID and certificate info, one with your gun transactions & list of possessed guns, then a couple filled with useless jargon.
That paper has to last 5 years of being constantly handled which in my case is too much. Mine's so tattered, many of the important details are unreadable and you can barely recognise the now faded mug shot.
Unless we get a 2A style bill, the UK is hopeless.
They should also scrap the need for an applicant to specify exactly what calibre of each firearm they intend to own, and to reverse the ludicrous pistol criteria for ownership
The variation system should go too. Its a massive waste of everyone's time, as is the "ammo type limits". The reality is if you have an FAC there is no reason you shouldn't be allowed as many section 1 (and section 7) firearms as you can safely store and as much ammo as you can safely store.
I was a victim of the police with this come to my house removed guns with no reason no criminal charge also air gun removed they then said that was a mistake and still never returned it
7 months to get my renewal completed. Applied September 2022 , licence expired December 2022 , renewed April 2023 and only after I complained twice - second one to PCC (waste of effort - referred automatically to Complaints dept ). Funny though my New licence won’t be from date of issue but December 2022. Lost 4 months due to poor administration
Bloody hell 7 months. 8 weeks for my my renewal on both certs in Essex.
Dorset here. Applied May 2021, still waiting and chasing
I do not think we are being monitored. We should staff the Constabularies properly.
I agree with Bill the person should be assessed.
I can only speak with the highest praise for my Constabulary (Avon and Somerset) Who have done wonderfully during this mess.
Other Constabularies may not have done so well Devon for example.
France removed sporting gun licensing from Police setting up an independent agency.
The control of ranges needs to be handed back to the Army and the license run through a national system & service as the drivers license with the review of suitability carried out by Scotland Yard! the Local Police will only be involved during the review of safe keeping!
I think most people agree guns are a good thing and needed in life,as long as your responsible.
I am 100% behind gun safety and precautions when issuing licenses/certificates but as a keen newbie into sporting clays I’m realistically looking at up to a possible 12 month wait before I am granted a SGC so I’ve read on some forums.
A 2-4 week wait just to get my GP proforma back ,then only can I lodge my application.
I have no issues having to follow the legal process but I agree things need to be revised.
Im expecting a visit from ARU or visit to local police station within next 24 hours due to what I believe will be a false report made againts me. Shottys are now with RFD.
This is the first time ive head a BASC official talk sense.
Who are the best referees for your Firearm(not shotgun) licence? Two neighbours or one neighbour and the gun club owner? And how long should you be a full member for? And do foreign gun clubs count, in the EU for example? Can their licences and membership be submitted for consideration?
There also needs to be like for like ie 22lr bolt action why do i need to get rid of the old one then reapply for a new one ,why can i not just swop it for another 22lr
We have this in Northern Ireland, it’s known as a “one on, one off” we have had this as a law for some years now
He it’s called a variation. Wiltshire police do a same day variation. Other forces should model the Devizes police firearms license team. They are by far the best in the country and I’ve come under a fair few in my time.
We should have the right to keep and bear arms no governments or police should be able to take our guns.
I agree to a certain extent, but then there is always the criminal element. The trouble is that they can even get guns legally and when reported as breaking the law the police don't want to know. Look at the US and their right to bare arms and how that has turned out. Some people just aren't fit to be in charge of a spoon, let alone a gun of any type.
Treated no different from the S-X Offenders Register, guns in addition to male appendage.
Every 23 minutes in the U.K., a person is killed or seriously injured by a lethal weapon. That is a tragedy society tolerates because 1 in 2 people own a motor vehicle. 1 in 113 UK citizens, 600,000 people have licenses for rifles, pistols and or shotguns. There is a total disconnect between the very very low statistical risk in the U.K. from licensed sporting guns, and the massive negative over reaction, persecution, prejudice and malice vested top down by The Home Office Weapons Policy Team and Violent Crime Reduction Unit, who’s policies hate upon Licensed sporting gun owners, victims of hate crime in everything but current definition. Negativity bias is the bane of the 21st century from unelected civil servants who have no personal joy and no uplift from having no participation in target sports with friends and family as they do not themselves own nor participate with sporting guns. Banal civil servants in the apparatus of the State, failing to uphold diversity, equity and inclusion, failing to bring the moral, ethical and intellectual standards of conduct they uphold only in their private life towards themselves, family and friends, failing to bring these same standards in full into their working life, treating sporting gun licence holders, their paying clients, offering them only negativity, oppression and persecution over decades of disrespectful prohibitive legislation upon the wrong path since 1968, again in 1989 and again in 1997, with unjust and illogical prohibitions of types of sporting guns by Acts of Parliament, prohibiting honourable Olympic disciplines in target sports. Over controlling pejorative prohibitions of types of sporting guns, setting the U.K. mainland apart from freedoms enshrined with correctly licensed sporting guns in Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, the entirety of Europe and the Free World. A deep level of Shame on The Home Office Personnel in London, ruining the tolerance, freedom and liberties which the U.K. is supposed to epitomise and enshrine on a global stage.
10year renewals and try make an online application, save alot of time and hassle for everyone id say.
They do online
@@markbennett9043 as far as i know you can only print the form not the actual full process.
Can do a full application/renewal online in NI thankfully but waiting times are atrocious.
Hello,
I live in London and I want to join a shooters club for target practise and eventually I would like to have my own firearm .
How difficult would it be for one to get approval of a license ?
ITS GONG TO BE TOUGH, it's easier to get an illegal gun than a legal one in london.
@@samuelbanner6262 stop waffling .
It’s the same in London as it is anywhere else @lionheart.
You would need to present to a club as a member who completes all said courses and has a minimum of 6 months. The club will then right a report on your behalf.
You’ll have a medical review from your GP when your application is going through
You’ll put you application in and be contacted by the firearm liaison team who will come to property, undertake a review of your home and inspection of your firearms cabinet ( this needs to be ready )
Once done you’ll be interviewed with questions and everything is then further reviewed and you will get a yes if all good or a no if there are answers they are not happy with.
I’ve held my license now almost 20 years and even my renewal ( every 5 years ) is the same.
Don’t let people put you off with BS
I'm very much wanting to apply for my first shotgun certificate, but I did have depression in my younger years and I'm worried that I'm about to waste £80 on the application for it to be thrown away simply because I have that on my medical history. I've never had any history of violence towards anyone though. As I said on my medical report it will most likely say that I had suicidal thoughts and was hospitalised on one occasion 6 years ago when I was 16.
its unlikely that you'd get one to be honest if you were suicidal... if you like though you could get a family member to hold guns under their licence instead and you can use them.
or you could do some cash in hand over an old paperless gun, i wouldn't recommend that, however, it goes to show the lengths people will go to to get around the law if it segregates them. Regulate not ban is my opinion.
you're probably fine now and not a risk since you sought help, imagine if someone didn't because they new it would cost them their licence, it just discourages seeking help rather than firearms ownership itself.
Good luck all the same...
How long back ?
Depression is not an issue provided you’re not taking medication. I had acute stress PTSD and my firearm licence was removed due to malicious allegations made by an Ex. I had a 12 month battle and eventually got my licence back with full endorsements but I worked with the firearms liaison officer and even it’s not expensive as the video says. I did all my own work and provided all the evidence and medical reports. Free!
I will say my FLO was superb.. thank you Alan for seeing the truth and for getting me my hobby back all them years ago. Wiltshire police set the Bar still and with all the constabulary forces I’ve come under still the best one
Alot of sense in that video !!
The Police and Government are not only there to protect the public but also to protect the rights and freedoms of law abiding gun owners.
.....'to protect the public' 😂😂😂
The police and government are there to protect the police and government
Protect the public..😅
The who is to protect your health too. Freemasonry, all about charity. Police and government, I can't think of anything else to make the point lol wow.
Anything to back up this long outdated illusion? Something to convince us? Anything? How do you "here to help us" peeps still exist? Didn't you realise 0.04% wasnt everyone when they said it, and we were not all dead when they said we were? ???
It's all well and good having Dr's monitor people but what if they hardly ever see them or, in my case, mis diagnose me with depression when I was clearly showing signs of heart failure. That went on for 5 years before I had a heart attack. Dr's are not phycologists and miss diagnose all the time. Personally, I believe there should be a list of at least 5 friends and neighbours that can be contacted by a firearms authority at any time to make sure things are OK. You would have to have at least five so there could be no lying if you had a fall out.
Does anyone know if Avon and Somerset firearms department have a pause on new application's
They appear to have decided the outcome they want, and then created the environment to justify it.
Most gun crime is committed by people that buy on the black market and would never pass the police check anyway most of those that do conform to the laws tend to be sound mind and would never think about hurting anyone
I am not a gun owner but if I was I wouldn't complain in case the public notices that some people still have guns and demand they be surrendered.
Your comments makes zero sense 😂.
You can’t demand that people surrender firearms when they are legally owned and held.
It also doesn’t state that in the video but you can and are within your rights to refused surrending your firearms. It’s not always the best choice but legally if there’s no evidence to support the claim from the attending officers then you are within your legal right to say “once evidence that confirms your claim is presented I am happy to surrender as per the licence rules and regulations”
1. Scrap the ludicrous situation of having individual police constabularies. We need a National Police Force. The cost savings across the whole nation would be MASSIVE allowing more money in the whole pot to be spent properly. Standardisation of methods, equipment and training would all improve and save money.
2. Take all firearms licencing issues away from the police and instigate a National Licencing Authority that applies a single, fair and equal standard of administration across the entire nation.
3. Make all certificates 10 years with medical and social markers to monitor individuals.
4. Ensure one price, fairly worked out, where all inclusive costs for medical assessment are standardised across the whole country. Put an end to the insane post code lottery of doctors charging whatever they like or even refusing to be a part of the system.
How can this country be so backward and out dated? It's like a compulsion for politicians and chief constables, to be as inefficient as they possibly can.
And while we are at it, when will those responsible for signing off on the Devon and Cornwall tragedy appear in court to be prosecuted under the law for their gross misconduct and negligence? It is extraordinary that such total madness has never been publicly addressed. Shocking.
Same in America, Australia, NZ, they don't want anyone shooting.
I’m happy to be assessed I don’t want just anyone able to get a gun. But if I’m a reasonable and responsible person I should be able to own a 44 magnum or a m16 if I want I’m a free man no?
What do you need such a powerful gun for? Unless you have a very elaborate reason, just wanting one for the sake of having it is an unnecessary risk the Government will not take.
@@OliCM3 well I guess freedom isn’t security from other people.
@@OliCM3Need doesn't factor into it. You don't need a TV. Nor a radio. Nor heating and cooling save for a fireplace. People should be able to own whatever weapons an infantryman has access to. Citizens are armed, subjects are disarmed.
@@NorthernNorthdude91749 Need absolutely comes into it and comparing military grade weapons to TV's & radios is obscene.
I feel much safer knowing the yobs on the street corner don't have 9mm Glocks in their pockets and the nutty neighbour doesn't have an AK-47 at the ready.
@@Stevewatson3 That's how society works.
They also should tell you, that when you get your license all your free speech is gone.
I think you need to immigrate to America. I could not live in a world with out pistols and rifles and pre 86 machine guns. Real freedom isn’t someone deciding weather to let you have it or not it’s just having it. I couldn’t imagine living under that constant restriction and frankly being patented by your government how could you not feel like children. Come experience real freedom even if it’s just a vacation.
@Richgunworks. Its been a deliberate long running plan. The police hated that they had no power to refuse a shotgun certificate introduced in 1968 if you had a clean record. Hungerford 1987 perpetrator used high magazine capacity semi auto rifle. immediate ban of such plus all the powers they wanted on shotguns inc virtual ban on magazine shotguns. licences halved from a million to half a million since. The hungerford killer didnt even own or use a shotgun. Next Dunblane 1996 killer used handguns. Immediately banned handguns. Next whitehaven 2010. Killer uses double barrel shotgun ,limited magazine capacity bolt action rifle. BUT wait government instantly states no bans of these weapons will happen. WHAT??? Its a gift but they wont jump on it ??? OH OF COURSE their lordships need double shotguns for phesant and grouse shooting. They need their limited magazine capacity bolt action rifles for deer stalking. Their gamekeepers need .22 bolt action rifles and double shotguns for foxes etc.....Next ban on lead shot for shotguns. Of course their lordships will be able to afford new steel proof guns/barrels while the proles will be less able. Wait for new plunge in shotgun owners numbers. They have got gun ownership down to the absolute minimum they can. Plan fully completed to schedule.
None of these new Draconian laws stop criminals from getting hold of guns. Aks, glocks, revolvers etc. crime has been rising since the 1997 handgun ban. It will continue to rise until the law allows people to own handguns with less stringent laws that discriminate against the poor.
All down to the police, nobody else , ,,,,,,,as usual
Plod can't do anything right, they all join plod for an easy job with a good pension at the end of it. We have seen over the last few years what our so called "Police" are all about & Wayne Couzins & David Carrick are the tip of a very large iceberg. Incompetent fools.
'waiting lists are months not weeks' over a year in my case. 18 months and counting since I put in my SGC application.
Be careful what you wish for. Any nationwide organisation is susceptible to political interference by the government of the day. Of course Birmingham and Lincolnshire should deal with their own areas separately, they are two totally different cases.
I just want to be able to own cool old guns form ww2 and other military style guns like hand guns and semi auto rifles
10 years makes sense do it now
Going nowhere to be many people high up are into this sport so no need for anyone to worry
Making guns more accessible should be encouraged
Allowing a lunatic to wield weapons and then he does something which they use as a strawman to nab guns. I don't think there was any skullduggery there. I'd advise gun owners themselves look out for any crazies! The system is completely against you clearly as they are against more or less everything. I think a limit to smiling and laughing might come soon enough!
I hunt with sub 12ft lb air rifles and I believe its not powerful enough for hunting, i would want a license for slightly more power, maybe double the current legal limit would suffice for my needs of putting food on the table, im 55 and using sub 12 is difficult and can leave an animal wounded if not a good shot EVERY shot, i would only need it for hunting food so for humane reasons more power for hunting needed..!
Is there such a license?
tbh if your not killing with one shot with an air rifle you wont instantly become a 'marksman' with a fac rifle, you'll never get a fac with that reasoning as you'll still leave the animal wounded if you mis the kill shots .
If you're not a professional stalker/pest controller or landowner with a necessity to control pests, you've not got a good enough official reason for an FAC... However, if you are lucky enough have an FEO with a bit of humility, you might get an air gun as they are relatively low risk.
You will need a better reason though as claiming you need a more powerful gun to compensate for poor accuracy is a classic school boy error that sees countless applicants rejected.
@@OliCM3 FAC....depends where you live tbh.....if your in a rural area with lots of pheasants shoots ect then you stand a chance of gaining a fac....also there the clay pigeon shooting side of it which has become huge with under 25's in the uk and with females....uk has a outstanding record when it comes to clay shooting and 'they' will never bring the total ban hammer down on that (a lot of people that shot are also the same people that own land and contribute to the political parties....King Charles goes to the shoot that is local to where i live and has done for years..field sports are ingrained in our social life/activates we just need to correct reasoning to access them)
@@lcc8394 I’m talking about firearms, not just shotgun
There are more illegal guns in the UK than llegal
Getting a license in the UK seems so pointless for what you get as a result. The PDs are so slow processing applications, which they can throw out for the tiniest of reasons. If somehow you do get through the system what can you own? That’s right, the most uninteresting types of firearms, double barrels, .22s and bolt actions.
Guns are only allowed to be used for target sport or killing permitted animals. Guns with the potential to be concealed and/or overwhelm authorities are deemed unnecessary risk given the legal reasons for owning them. As a result, gun crime in the UK barely shows up as a single pixel on a graph compared to America.
@@OliCM3 that’s exactly the mindset which will allow the government to ban shooting sports outright, they’re already making moves against it in Wales and Scotland, when labour win the general election next year they’ll start cracking down in England too. Guns are not sporting implements, first and foremost they are tools for self protection. With regards to statistics, what about European countries like Switzerland, Poland and the Czech Republic where you can own, or even just go to a public shooting range and learn practical shooting and handle real calibers and semi automatic weapons? They have much lower gun crime than the USA and didn’t make shooting into a boring, restricted pastime for Fudds in the countryside only. Even in France and Germany you can shoot a proper rifle and not a pissy .22 or straight pull bastardisation.
@@FloppaFan400 Not really, I'm a shooting enthusiast and will defend my right to own a gun with everything I've got!
Guns are as diverse as cars, the ones we British are permitted to own are absolutely sporting implements.
You can get .22 in semi auto and just about every calibre up to .50, you just need a good reason for owning it.
Those countries are only slightly more lenient than Britain, but still incomparably strict compared to America.
If every football hooligan, gypsy, moped thief and gang member in the UK had the right to 'defend themselves' with a gun, the police would need more funds than the NHS to keep up
@@OliCM3under the British legal system you don’t have a right, you have a state given privilege which the government can take away from you at any moment. As a counter argument to your car analogy, wanting to shoot but living in the UK is like wanting to race cars but imagine if you lived somewhere where the only cars available were Toyota Prius, Nissan leafs, electric Chinese MGs and smart cars, no Mercedes, BMWs, Bentleys etc. In countries with more sensible gun legislation, .22s are only used for hunting small game or introducing children to shooting. But in the UK it’s the absolute apex, it’s a joke dude. The other European countries are light years ahead of the UK when it comes to shooting, unless you can prove me wrong and show me a range in the UK where you can fire a 9mm handgun and a real 5.56mm AR-15, I won’t believe you when you say Europe is “barely more lenient” than the UK. Of course gypsies and roadmen shouldn’t own guns but a sizeable portion of them do anyway since they don’t care at all about the law. But what about law abiding citizens, with no history of violence, why should they be disarmed subjects? Why should their only option be crappy British sport shooting? You’d have a much bigger and more robust community if you were less niche, elitist and downright unwelcoming to new people who want to shoot but aren’t interested in .22 or double barrel shotguns. Also if your local PD see the first sentence you wrote you’ll be lucky if they don’t take your certificates away. From my understanding if they get the slightest inkling that you’re prepared to defend yourself or your rights then kiss your paltry gun collection goodbye.
@@FloppaFan400 The vast majority of British people like it that way, and that's the way it should be.
You're just butthurt because you can't get the excessive guns you see on action movies... What do you need an AR-15 or a 9mm hand gun for!? Spending a fortune on puncturing a strung up piece of paper? Sounds great.
Don't knock clay sports, game shooting, animal stalking or even a bit of pest control - all of which are what the UK legal guns are designed for. They're great sports to get into and just because you don't like it, doesn't make them worthless.
You keep going on about .22 like its the biggest calibre you can get over here... It's not, it’s the simply most popular because it's the most affordable, as it is all over the world.
When I said I'd do anything to defend my rights I meant investing all my spare time and money to fight the powers that be legally. I'd never dream of even threatening to use a gun for anything other than what they're intended for. Even if someone broke into my house, opening up that cabinet would be the last thing on my mind.
Just the terms and defintions of what constitutes a firearm in any of the uk countries is asinine before you even start on Licensing. Keep your paranoid laws in your own country and those archaic mindsets....eeew
Hello from America. I really hope you get something like the Second Amendment someday.
Sheeple problems
They should be an age limit for a start of 24 to own not 18, kids of today at 18 have a mind of a 12-year-old, well all the 18-year-olds I see have, they're not safe with a knife and fork let alone a firearm
Are you Ageist? I know plenty of 40 year olds that are clueless & wreckless!
Cough cough public sector & government
@@shooterblaze1 There's a lot more 18-year-olds, I tell you now, most are dead from the eyes up
@@shooterblaze1 Agree 100% with public sector & government, they're all dead from the eyes as well 👍
I had my first SGC at 16. Not a problem to get in those days. The local constable was responsible for judging who was deemed suitable to have a licence. Today I don't have a clue who our local police person is.
@@philhawley1219 More than likely is not one chap, it's the same where I live, never see the police even if you have been burgled
Just forget the law and buy illegal gun, Your life is a matter