Nice 410. I know many people in the southeastern US that shoot quail with 410’s. Understand it’s place as a sub gauge skeet gun, but for sporting I won’t go smaller than a 28. Vote for next video would be 410 vs 28 patterns and clay breaking abilities.
Hi, Jonny! Pattern testing with Tungsten Super Shot 18 that your sponsor Hull will put up as experimentally cartridge in 3", 18 gr! Thanks again for all your work I kept following even before you change your format, a great inspiration, and a great cultural experience, I move from France to North Carolina (I love all your videos on your trips to USA and the wonderful people you met, and in the Caribbean too of course!) So much information you provide and all your friends and mentors like Mr Digweed! Keep the good work, Bless you and your family!
Well done, Johnny. Always appreciate your fair approach to shooting, regardless of gun or gauge. Yes, let's have a side-by-side eval of 28 and .410. All the best from the States...
Absolutely loved this. Cracking film. Really good to hear the dispelling of all the old wives tales and a really great breakdown of both the gun and Jonny at the end. 😂
Because of a medical problem, I can not shoot anything bigger than a .410. I’d like to see anything you can toss at us. I shoot 150-200 rounds of .410 each week. Of course I handload all my ammo do to the cost and availability of ammo here in Arizona USA. I never feel under gunned no mater which clay targets I’m shooting except bunker and sometimes wobble trap depending on which club we shoot. I’ve always shot mostly skeet and trap. The last four years I’ve discovered sporting clays and really enjoy it more than anything. On our 13 station layout I can hit 65%-85% of the targets thrown, depending on if I can point my gun properly that day. None of our targets are set for .410’s. Some are 60+ yardage. My long shots are all razor blade hits, but it still looks good I’d the score pad. I think you should look at the Rizzini BR 110 sporting clays model in .410. I had one for 10 months and thought it was the best shotgun I’d ever owned in Europe I believe you can get a 110 with 32” barrels. I bought mine after contacting Carlos Rizzini living in Ireland. My 110 had unbelievably tight chambers and was difficult to chamber some of my reloaded 3” cartridges. The best scores I ever shot were with the BR 110. Wish we could have the same availability of different ammo manufacturers as you guys in the UK!!!!!!!!!!Thank you for all you wonderful and interesting shooting and shotgun videos!!! I hope someday you can visit Arizona when you’re here in the states. Word of warning, don’t plan your trip when it’s 46 C or warmer here in the “Valley of the Sun” Arizona!!!!!
I remember as a lad of 10 with my mate Rob. His dad had a few shotguns all SXS. He used to give us a bolt action .410 to go out to the back field with a box of shells to shoot old coke cans with a .22 launcher. Great times and memories indeed!!! You just have to love the .410 and great for kids who would like to have a go under supervision of course unlike me and my mate Rob!!! Well it was the 70's with paper cartridges and all that!! Great vid team TGS. Looking forward to what you have for us in 2024...
Having really really tight chokes is the key to the 410. High velocity shells make a big difference in the little gauges too. Love any video you do on the 410. Looking forward to seeing you shoot the British 410 championship !! Drag Ant along for that ! Talk about entertaining !
Great vid Jonny !!!! Yes, I think a 410 vs 28 gauge would be a great video to really put these small bores to the test, especially at longer ranges. Just put tighter chokes in the 410. Super content overall. Thanks from Missouri, USA. ( and you put the red bead back on the rib )
My 8yr old daughter has just started shooting a .410, mainly based on her size and to build confidence and build proper safety. If she was scared of the gun or flinching, I don’t think she’d achieve that. As soon as she wants to try sporting clays, I can see her stepping up to a 20bore, but that’ll be a nice problem to have, and for now we’re having great fun breaking clays on canes and learning together.
I was fed as a child too. Unfortunately after about 15, I continued to grow in weight but not in height. 😂 Sadly here in the US, 410 ammo doesn't appear to be in good supply. I'm reloading so not a big deal. 28 is surprisingly more available. Maybe the reason my most recent purchase was a 28ga 686 field with 30" barrels. It's only 6lb 3oz. Regarding the 410, I'd been advised to run IM and Full. Need to do some pattern testing. Thank you for the great content.
Would be good to see some 410 & 28 bore pattern testing with different chokes, loads and distances, also a bit more on the future of small bores with the potential lead ban.
If am stuck with 2-1/2” shells my first go to target load is the Remington 1/2oz #7-1/2 NitroSporting loads and outside of the skeet range I believe there’s only one choke for the .410 bore- FULL!
Hello john.thanks for your nice videos. Pliz tighten the 410 chokes ,use smaller pellets .I believe you will be more than impressed with that wonderful cal.
All I shoot is 410 and sporting, I like Browning 410's they are big 20ga frame guns that feel like a real gun, I've found that they need to be choked tighter than bigger gauges so I leave improved mod in for everything
Hi Jonny, I am a regular game shooter with a 4/10. I generally use Clever Mirage 19.5 gram 5s and Winchester Super X 4s with threequarters and full choke. Both of these cartridges don't seem to be available in Britain at the moment. The thinking behind it is a total hit or miss. Hardened 4/10 shooters seem to use this theory which I have basically copied but does seem to work well. Likewise I do need to pattern test it.
Pattern test please, 11 vs 18 7's loads. How range effects number of pellets on target using 1/2 and full chokes so we can build a visual picture of the kind of density at various ranges. Just how much DOES choke effect the 410 pattern? It's because of your videos I now own a 410 over under LOL! I wanted the challenge, shot twice so far, LOVE IT!!!!! Just stripped the wood to reveal the lovely walnut under the brown sludge! So have a few weeks building the coats up and slapping the gen 4 on the barrels :) REALLY tempted to shoot the UK 410, just because it's a fun event....
The 410 can pattern incredably well if you take the time building up a load /choke combo .it was made for tss shot and bismuth ie duplex loads one load will kill everything magpies a 55 yards to big honkers at 50 yards at 40 yards will put 143 pellets on 18x18 target with half choke modified in canada
A mate of mine has just bought a lovely 410 off my dad and the reason for buying it was for his mrs and his reason behind it is if she can get good with a 410 she will be able to hit anything with a 12bore which in theory is correct but that’s like trying to build the Great Wall of China but starting from the other side of the world right?
Edward Martin from Roy Martin gunsmith has a CZcams channel and shot in the 410 championships. He really enjoyed it his dad is very knowledgeable on English side x sides
Hi JC, consider yourself invited. British Open 410 Championship. Bank Holiday Monday August 26th. E J Churchill Shooting Ground, West Wycombe. Make a note of the date. I will be in touch. Richard Gray.
My problem 28 v 410 is ammo, it's just not available locally. 410 is now over £100 per slab also, making it an expensive yet fun day out. Fiochhi magnums 19 x 6s pattern best for my KOFs .410. If you want a challenge try using 9gram x6s. I use 1/4 1/4 choke on everything, was the best pattern.
I have two Beretta Silver Pigeon III 2 barrel sets in 410 and 28 gauge. Why two of them? It's because they are a spot on perfect (Browning) fit and I shoot 4 gun Skeet which means they see a lot of use. Note the #1 set has been put aside so I can correct all the little nicks and dents in the stock acquired by last summers shooting and to get the #2 set broken in. BTW, both sets have EELL wood upgrades so they are quite pretty. Chokes. I learned early on with the #1 gun that cylinder chokes with the 410 will produce large enough holes for a target to pass thru at about 30 yards. Note, that was revealed by my Shotkam 3. It was high 1 and you can see the shot string surrounding the target until they hit the resolution limit for the camera and the string disappers. BTW, that is about 45 yards. After seeing that I called up Briley and ordered up extended Skeet Improved (0.007) chokes for both barrels. The #2 gun is also equipped with the same chokes but for the 28 gauge barrel on #2 they are optima HP. I've since shot some 5 stand with the 410 and it will yield a robust break on a looper 50 yards out. Note, in the USA the legal load for 410 Skeet is a 2 1/2 (63mm) shell with 1/2 (14 grams) of shot.
Hi, love your 410 videos , would like to know your opinion in using the Aimpoint Acros 2 in a 410 bore shotgun , for clays and bird shooting. Thanks . Keep up the great work !!!
Great video, Jonny. Love my 410 sbs but limited to 2.5" 11g cartridges. The only thing stopping me from buying another is the availability of non-toxic cartridges when the lead shot ban happens. No reviewer mentions this! I could shoot bismuth but a bit pricey at @£1.40 a shot 😬 Keep up the good work.
Too cold for skeet, lets get some sporting😂 (-2c) Couple of days ago it was nice to shoot clays in Finland because we had warm weather (-8c) You make great stuff! Could you make an episode of German side by side shotguns Merkels, Sauers etc?
i doubt you would have had more bbs in the circle with a 12 gauge i mean a cylinder choke at 60 yards i would like to see the comparison i dont think it would be much better
Great video JC & after your epic .410 experience in the Dominican Republic last year I looked into adding a .410 to my shotgun collection. For me - here in the USA, the difficulty I quickly found was the availability and cost of .410 cartridges. .410 can be difficult to find and when available its significantly more expensive than .12g & even .20g cartridges. Hopefully this will improve in the coming months... Cost might not improve but availability 🤞
Johnnie, Many try to shoot the 410 just too carefully rather than shooting it “like a 12”. I’ve found due to the smaller pattern it’s easy to shoot UNDER skeet birds. Here in Wisconsin I use the same loads for all disciplines SKEET, TRAP AND SPORTING using 8-1/2 shot. Of course our sporting targets tend to be shorter ranges than your bigger clubs. We hear nothing about reloading in the UK. I HAVE 5 machines for 12, 16, 20, 28 & 410. Can you reload in the UK?
3” Fiocchi 18g of # 4-6 shot, don’t mess about son, Full and Full choking keeps the patterns together at that little bit longer range. Start with the pattern testing then fill yer boots. Or you could try TSS home loads and push out to a comfortable 75y. 👌
I have been looking forward to this film, and it did not disappoint🙂 I love my 686 supporter adjustable I have recently purchased. I have shot scores not far behind the ones that I normally shoot with my 12 gauge. it good for skeet. I’ve taken it on Drive with my syndicate. shot sporting clays. rough shooting game, but it really comes into its own when upland shooting, and you do not want a heavy gun. I took it on a walked up day at Gwysaney It was fantastic. Perfect for closer stuff. that’s a 12 would make a mess of. Choice of cartridge seems really important to ensure good clean kills on game as well as good breaks at clays. When I bought my 410, I took it to pattern it, and was amazed how small the pattern was. And was also surprised at what difference choke made. I like full choke and 7 to increase the pallet count. I would like to see your next film to be pattern testing with different chokes and cartridges then for 410 versus 28 . Then some competition shooting.😊
My issue is people coming to the store buying a 410 for their kids or wives. NO, it's not a beginners gun if you want to teach basics and not have them discouraged because they can't hit anything closer than 3 meters.
My daughters have both learned to shoot with a .410 because the recoil and weight aid them learning the safety and the fundamentals of position and hold. They shot it more like an air rifle. Once they learned to hit the most simple teal then they moved on to 20b. I would not want to go straight to crossers as you say. They need to have natural talent and luck a plenty!!
You are wrong in so many ways. The art of the 410 is that you put the gun in the right place and it will kill with the correct cartridge yet at the same time you can have a gun that’s lightweight low recoil and can cater for those who cannot shoot or isn’t quite at the level of a 28, 20 or 12. From young children to those with medical conditions. To say it’s not a beginner’s gun is silly when most of us started shooting with a bolt action or folding 410. Peace and love
@@batmantiss This is a gentlemen’s discussion. Elementary insults have no place in this matter. If you have an opinion please articulate it so that we might all be better informed
At the end of the day us what gun that make you happy. It could be a 9lb 12bore with 42 gram loads at 80yrds birds painful !! or 410 19 gram loads at 35 yrds pleasant !! you have to point both guns in the the right place to get the same outcome its what do you want to us to get there. it has to br pleaerable
I love my little 410 but here the 410 ammunition is expensive and hard to come by, I have to drive to a gun shop 45 mins away to get it, this year I bought a 20 gauge because of it
"Pattern density kills birds" - "More lead, more dead" Fewer pellets need more choke. The same applies in all gauges... Pitting the .410 against the 28 bore is pointless. It's a unique gauge so how can it be compared to others. Pattern testing the .410 is very useful information to anyone. You will quickly see that fewer pellets need more choke....
@@stevenlord782 I use Winchester 3/8oz or 10.6gram Fe6 at 1400fps in my 410s with swappable extended chokes. Works fine within 25m or so, and as always pattern first to verify which choke works best with it..
Canada here. Where are you lot finding shells for these lovely trim little things? Bit of a drought here at the moment. Please support your Commonwealth cousins. Send .410 shells!
As I have told you previously if you want to do well in the English 410 championship have Jim at Longthorne build you a barrel set for your 12 bore Longthorne that has the same balance as your 12 bore barrel. He could flute the outside of barrels to match the weight and they would look really cool..I shot my MT-6 with Briley titanium tubes for American skeet for many years and broke many 100 straights..I shot the 28 bore tubes for the 12, 20 & 28 events as my 28 average was better tha using 12 bore and 20 bore ammo..28 bore is the most balanced shotgun load and the other well balanced is the 10 bore...
I don't know if this is a different ratio shot than before... But I really like it. It's much more movies. The gun, I don't know. Do I need .410? No. Do I want one? I don't know. Does it cross my mind that it would be a good little quail and woodcock gun? Yeah. And that would be fun to go shoot clays on the weekend occasionally? Yeah I don't know. I think I would just rather have something more interesting. And then be satisfied with what I got.... And not left after other stuff... Well that happen? No
Yes another vote for pattern testing 18gm loads with different chokes- great to see some .410 videos 👍
Nice 410. I know many people in the southeastern US that shoot quail with 410’s. Understand it’s place as a sub gauge skeet gun, but for sporting I won’t go smaller than a 28.
Vote for next video would be 410 vs 28 patterns and clay breaking abilities.
Hi Jonny, 410 pattern testing with different chokes and cartridges, Enter the British open and take Ant and Lloyd 👍.
Hi, Jonny! Pattern testing with Tungsten Super Shot 18 that your sponsor Hull will put up as experimentally cartridge in 3", 18 gr! Thanks again for all your work I kept following even before you change your format, a great inspiration, and a great cultural experience, I move from France to North Carolina (I love all your videos on your trips to USA and the wonderful people you met, and in the Caribbean too of course!) So much information you provide and all your friends and mentors like Mr Digweed! Keep the good work, Bless you and your family!
A four ten , twenty eight bore showdown, Great idea love to see it , Great programme 😊
Well done, Johnny. Always appreciate your fair approach to shooting, regardless of gun or gauge. Yes, let's have a side-by-side eval of 28 and .410. All the best from the States...
Absolutely loved this. Cracking film. Really good to hear the dispelling of all the old wives tales and a really great breakdown of both the gun and Jonny at the end. 😂
Checking in from Charleston South Carolina, USA
Watch out, you might catch the 410 bug
Slam!!
Well done, have 3 410s..an old Remington 11-48, B725 32” barrels, & aya 410 SxS
Because of a medical problem, I can not shoot anything bigger than a .410. I’d like to see anything you can toss at us. I shoot 150-200 rounds of .410 each week. Of course I handload all my ammo do to the cost and availability of ammo here in Arizona USA. I never feel under gunned no mater which clay targets I’m shooting except bunker and sometimes wobble trap depending on which club we shoot. I’ve always shot mostly skeet and trap. The last four years I’ve discovered sporting clays and really enjoy it more than anything. On our 13 station layout I can hit 65%-85% of the targets thrown, depending on if I can point my gun properly that day. None of our targets are set for .410’s. Some are 60+ yardage. My long shots are all razor blade hits, but it still looks good I’d the score pad. I think you should look at the Rizzini BR 110 sporting clays model in .410. I had one for 10 months and thought it was the best shotgun I’d ever owned in Europe I believe you can get a 110 with 32” barrels. I bought mine after contacting Carlos Rizzini living in Ireland. My 110 had unbelievably tight chambers and was difficult to chamber some of my reloaded 3” cartridges. The best scores I ever shot were with the BR 110. Wish we could have the same availability of different ammo manufacturers as you guys in the UK!!!!!!!!!!Thank you for all you wonderful and interesting shooting and shotgun videos!!! I hope someday you can visit Arizona when you’re here in the states. Word of warning, don’t plan your trip when it’s 46 C or warmer here in the “Valley of the Sun” Arizona!!!!!
I remember as a lad of 10 with my mate Rob. His dad had a few shotguns all SXS. He used to give us a bolt action .410 to go out to the back field with a box of shells to shoot old coke cans with a .22 launcher. Great times and memories indeed!!! You just have to love the .410 and great for kids who would like to have a go under supervision of course unlike me and my mate Rob!!! Well it was the 70's with paper cartridges and all that!! Great vid team TGS. Looking forward to what you have for us in 2024...
Ah the 70s , I've still got my old webley. 410 and a collection of paper cased eley cartridges for it , good times 👍
Having really really tight chokes is the key to the 410. High velocity shells make a big difference in the little gauges too. Love any video you do on the 410. Looking forward to seeing you shoot the British 410 championship !! Drag Ant along for that ! Talk about entertaining !
no gauge will do well with a cylinder choke at 60 yards i doubt many more pellets would have hit the circle with a 12 gauge
Great vid Jonny !!!! Yes, I think a 410 vs 28 gauge would be a great video to really put these small bores to the test, especially at longer ranges. Just put tighter chokes in the 410. Super content overall. Thanks from Missouri, USA. ( and you put the red bead back on the rib )
Great vid love 410s
My 8yr old daughter has just started shooting a .410, mainly based on her size and to build confidence and build proper safety. If she was scared of the gun or flinching, I don’t think she’d achieve that. As soon as she wants to try sporting clays, I can see her stepping up to a 20bore, but that’ll be a nice problem to have, and for now we’re having great fun breaking clays on canes and learning together.
410. Much underrated. Shot a lot of game back in the day. Wish I still had it now.
I was fed as a child too. Unfortunately after about 15, I continued to grow in weight but not in height. 😂
Sadly here in the US, 410 ammo doesn't appear to be in good supply. I'm reloading so not a big deal. 28 is surprisingly more available. Maybe the reason my most recent purchase was a 28ga 686 field with 30" barrels. It's only 6lb 3oz.
Regarding the 410, I'd been advised to run IM and Full. Need to do some pattern testing.
Thank you for the great content.
Great content as always!
Xtra 👊🏻 for the starter beard!!
Nice little bore I had one back in the ole days with paper shells too
410pattern then 410 vs 28 and yes you've got to do the 410 championship.
Would be good to see some 410 & 28 bore pattern testing with different chokes, loads and distances, also a bit more on the future of small bores with the potential lead ban.
Yes a 28 vs 410 vid my 2 favs
.410 pattern testing please!
If am stuck with 2-1/2” shells my first go to target load is the Remington 1/2oz #7-1/2 NitroSporting loads and outside of the skeet range I believe there’s only one choke for the .410 bore- FULL!
That’s spot on. Excellent shells if you can find them. AA’s super sports are my favorite and easier to find
Hello john.thanks for your nice videos. Pliz tighten the 410 chokes ,use smaller pellets .I believe you will be more than impressed with that wonderful cal.
Fiocchi 19gr 71/2 that's the way forward for the sporting 👍🏻
I would LOVE to see you “optimize” a load/choke set up and the pattern testing
28>410
All I shoot is 410 and sporting, I like Browning 410's they are big 20ga frame guns that feel like a real gun, I've found that they need to be choked tighter than bigger gauges so I leave improved mod in for everything
Hi Jonny, I am a regular game shooter with a 4/10. I generally use Clever Mirage 19.5 gram 5s and Winchester Super X 4s with threequarters and full choke. Both of these cartridges don't seem to be available in Britain at the moment.
The thinking behind it is a total hit or miss.
Hardened 4/10 shooters seem to use this theory which I have basically copied but does seem to work well.
Likewise I do need to pattern test it.
Pattern test please, 11 vs 18 7's loads. How range effects number of pellets on target using 1/2 and full chokes so we can build a visual picture of the kind of density at various ranges.
Just how much DOES choke effect the 410 pattern?
It's because of your videos I now own a 410 over under LOL! I wanted the challenge, shot twice so far, LOVE IT!!!!! Just stripped the wood to reveal the lovely walnut under the brown sludge! So have a few weeks building the coats up and slapping the gen 4 on the barrels :)
REALLY tempted to shoot the UK 410, just because it's a fun event....
Nssa skeet here in the uk is pretty popular. Most people use tubes in their 12g to use .410 20g and 28g
The 410 can pattern incredably well if you take the time building up a load /choke combo .it was made for tss shot and bismuth ie duplex loads one load will kill everything magpies a 55 yards to big honkers at 50 yards at 40 yards will put 143 pellets on 18x18 target with half choke modified in canada
Pattern the little bugger and get your arse to the championship!
😂😂 come on Jonny spit it out😂 .410 comp. Would also like to see 20g. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
A mate of mine has just bought a lovely 410 off my dad and the reason for buying it was for his mrs and his reason behind it is if she can get good with a 410 she will be able to hit anything with a 12bore which in theory is correct but that’s like trying to build the Great Wall of China but starting from the other side of the world right?
Edward Martin from Roy Martin gunsmith has a CZcams channel and shot in the 410 championships. He really enjoyed it his dad is very knowledgeable on English side x sides
Hi JC, consider yourself invited. British Open 410 Championship. Bank Holiday Monday August 26th. E J Churchill Shooting Ground, West Wycombe. Make a note of the date. I will be in touch. Richard Gray.
Brilliant will definitely be there this year
Same gun, 28 and 410 two barrel set would be perfect....... Oh yes I have one!!!! Great combo!!!!
.410 patterns!
My problem 28 v 410 is ammo, it's just not available locally. 410 is now over £100 per slab also, making it an expensive yet fun day out. Fiochhi magnums 19 x 6s pattern best for my KOFs .410. If you want a challenge try using 9gram x6s. I use 1/4 1/4 choke on everything, was the best pattern.
Good vid. I'd be intrigued to see some pattern test results to suss out the optimum choke/cartridge combo. Keep the vids coming, always a great watch.
Awesome videos. Pattern testing please
So will we see silver pig 410 stills in the paralello video then?
410 patterning for me with choke and cartridge recommendations
I have two Beretta Silver Pigeon III 2 barrel sets in 410 and 28 gauge. Why two of them? It's because they are a spot on perfect (Browning) fit and I shoot 4 gun Skeet which means they see a lot of use. Note the #1 set has been put aside so I can correct all the little nicks and dents in the stock acquired by last summers shooting and to get the #2 set broken in. BTW, both sets have EELL wood upgrades so they are quite pretty. Chokes. I learned early on with the #1 gun that cylinder chokes with the 410 will produce large enough holes for a target to pass thru at about 30 yards. Note, that was revealed by my Shotkam 3. It was high 1 and you can see the shot string surrounding the target until they hit the resolution limit for the camera and the string disappers. BTW, that is about 45 yards. After seeing that I called up Briley and ordered up extended Skeet Improved (0.007) chokes for both barrels. The #2 gun is also equipped with the same chokes but for the 28 gauge barrel on #2 they are optima HP. I've since shot some 5 stand with the 410 and it will yield a robust break on a looper 50 yards out. Note, in the USA the legal load for 410 Skeet is a 2 1/2 (63mm) shell with 1/2 (14 grams) of shot.
Hi, love your 410 videos , would like to know your opinion in using the Aimpoint Acros 2 in a 410 bore shotgun , for clays and bird shooting. Thanks . Keep up the great work !!!
Great video, Jonny. Love my 410 sbs but limited to 2.5" 11g cartridges. The only thing stopping me from buying another is the availability of non-toxic cartridges when the lead shot ban happens. No reviewer mentions this! I could shoot bismuth but a bit pricey at @£1.40 a shot 😬 Keep up the good work.
If you reload, Fe5-7, BPI TPS wads work well. If not Winchester has 410 Fe6 steel loads, some in the UK have seemed to source.
Try some Hull High Pheasant 18 gm up it, great cartridges
I had a little trouble adjusting to a 20ga so I don't think I'd fare too well with this lol
Fiocchi cartridges and full choke job done
Wanted to see the AYA in action.
Pattern testing 410
A .410 vs 28, where they are not only pitted against each other, but also against many of the commonly held myths and lore
If I could recommend a book to you please. Bob Brister. Shot Gunning. The art & the science.
A very well researched read.
@@stevenlord782 Thank you so much!
Nice
Which shooting gloves do you prefer
thought for sure he was to tell of the perfect discovery for max grouping at 60yds from the .410... n o p e
Pattern test then open . Boss
Pattern testing next
Come to PRB and meet Rob Crabb we will open your eyes
Vs film would be great. I'm skeptical of the 28 now.😮
Too cold for skeet, lets get some sporting😂 (-2c) Couple of days ago it was nice to shoot clays in Finland because we had warm weather (-8c) You make great stuff! Could you make an episode of German side by side shotguns Merkels, Sauers etc?
Check out ‘German Guns’ on the channel, but we can go down a rabbit hole or two if needed
@@tgsoutdoors A Merkel 41E or 61E .410 rabbit hole? 🙂
Pattern and shells, comp, hunting
i doubt you would have had more bbs in the circle with a 12 gauge i mean a cylinder choke at 60 yards i would like to see the comparison i dont think it would be much better
28 vs
410!!!
Requested 410 vs 28
When Will you get a longthorne titanium
Barreled 410??
.410 Vs 28g would be interesting
JC & Crew. A question I have been meaning to ask for sometime, where do you get your music from? Is it from KPM music libraries?
Great video JC & after your epic .410 experience in the Dominican Republic last year I looked into adding a .410 to my shotgun collection. For me - here in the USA, the difficulty I quickly found was the availability and cost of .410 cartridges. .410 can be difficult to find and when available its significantly more expensive than .12g & even .20g cartridges. Hopefully this will improve in the coming months... Cost might not improve but availability 🤞
Can I ask what you’re paying where you’re at? Winchester AA skeet loads are around $17-$18 a box by me.
@@Paul-gd2lp I’m up in central NY. I also just paid $22/box for 3 inch game loads.
Can you shoot the fair prestige jubilee rifle please
What vest are you wearing. I’m in the market for a new one.
410 v 28 v 20 show us the difference on clays and pattern plate see if it's worth dropping from a 20g for a small standard bird say 25/30 metre
A complete sub-gauge showdown; 24 bore vs. 32 bore vs. the actual 36 bore.
Johnnie, Many try to shoot the 410 just too carefully rather than shooting it “like a 12”. I’ve found due to the smaller pattern it’s easy to shoot UNDER skeet birds. Here in Wisconsin I use the same loads for all disciplines SKEET, TRAP AND SPORTING using 8-1/2 shot. Of course our sporting targets tend to be shorter ranges than your bigger clubs. We hear nothing about reloading in the UK. I HAVE 5 machines for 12, 16, 20, 28 & 410. Can you reload in the UK?
you can reload, but its not hugely popular for shot shells. We are lucky to have a good selection of ammo makers to serve our shooting community
What ground are you at?
Are shot cam are available for rent and where many thanks
Sir, could you please tell me what company your Shooting Vest is from? Thank you.
its a Laksen
SXS .410 vs SXS 28 showdown!
👍 👍
The .410 took off huge here in the US since we can get TSS in it. There’s people that hunt turkeys and killing them out to 40 yards
3” Fiocchi 18g of # 4-6 shot, don’t mess about son, Full and Full choking keeps the patterns together at that little bit longer range.
Start with the pattern testing then fill yer boots.
Or you could try TSS home loads and push out to a comfortable 75y. 👌
1. Pattern testing
2. .410 v 28 bore
3. .410 competition
I have been looking forward to this film, and it did not disappoint🙂 I love my 686 supporter adjustable I have recently purchased. I have shot scores not far behind the ones that I normally shoot with my 12 gauge. it good for skeet. I’ve taken it on Drive with my syndicate. shot sporting clays. rough shooting game, but it really comes into its own when upland shooting, and you do not want a heavy gun. I took it on a walked up day at Gwysaney It was fantastic. Perfect for closer stuff. that’s a 12 would make a mess of. Choice of cartridge seems really important to ensure good clean kills on game as well as good breaks at clays. When I bought my 410, I took it to pattern it, and was amazed how small the pattern was. And was also surprised at what difference choke made. I like full choke and 7 to increase the pallet count. I would like to see your next film to be pattern testing with different chokes and cartridges then for 410 versus 28 . Then some competition shooting.😊
Can't shoot a 410 on a Wednesday if it's an over under hahahaha
Can you make a more powerful cartridges
bore size make difference , 10.5mm gives best pattern , beretta uses 10.3mm bore size
Why all the shots of the 486?
.410 vs. 28G video...? My wife said, "Yes."
My issue is people coming to the store buying a 410 for their kids or wives. NO, it's not a beginners gun if you want to teach basics and not have them discouraged because they can't hit anything closer than 3 meters.
My daughters have both learned to shoot with a .410 because the recoil and weight aid them learning the safety and the fundamentals of position and hold. They shot it more like an air rifle. Once they learned to hit the most simple teal then they moved on to 20b. I would not want to go straight to crossers as you say. They need to have natural talent and luck a plenty!!
I couldn't agree more.
You are wrong in so many ways. The art of the 410 is that you put the gun in the right place and it will kill with the correct cartridge yet at the same time you can have a gun that’s lightweight low recoil and can cater for those who cannot shoot or isn’t quite at the level of a 28, 20 or 12. From young children to those with medical conditions. To say it’s not a beginner’s gun is silly when most of us started shooting with a bolt action or folding 410. Peace and love
@@Lankylanber you're a real brain trust
@@batmantiss This is a gentlemen’s discussion. Elementary insults have no place in this matter. If you have an opinion please articulate it so that we might all be better informed
410 patten plate then chokes+shot loads
410 v 28g
At the end of the day us what gun that make you happy. It could be a 9lb 12bore with 42 gram loads at 80yrds birds painful !! or 410 19 gram loads at 35 yrds pleasant !! you have to point both guns in the the right place to get the same outcome its what do you want to us to get there. it has to br pleaerable
Love watching your videos but WOW at 9:00 did you really point a loaded gun at your face to check chokes? Yikes. Be safe.
410 v28
I love my little 410 but here the 410 ammunition is expensive and hard to come by, I have to drive to a gun shop 45 mins away to get it, this year I bought a 20 gauge because of it
Watching these videos I feel like I’ve been on a great day out. One of these days I’ll have to actually put in for my license and live the dream
"Pattern density kills birds" - "More lead, more dead"
Fewer pellets need more choke. The same applies in all gauges...
Pitting the .410 against the 28 bore is pointless. It's a unique gauge so how can it be compared to others.
Pattern testing the .410 is very useful information to anyone. You will quickly see that fewer pellets need more choke....
Agreed
Huge push to sell on the shelf 410's before the steel ban, thus making the 410 almost obsolete.
Google TSS
No gun is obsolete. if you move over to the dark side and us TSS look it up its the best
Regards
Alan Robinson
I'm well aware of tss Alan mainly due to your wonderful channel. I'm also a 28 bore fan.
The issue is the ridiculous cost of tss.
@@stevenlord782 I use Winchester 3/8oz or 10.6gram Fe6 at 1400fps in my 410s with swappable extended chokes. Works fine within 25m or so, and as always pattern first to verify which choke works best with it..
Canada here. Where are you lot finding shells for these lovely trim little things? Bit of a drought here at the moment. Please support your Commonwealth cousins. Send .410 shells!
As I have told you previously if you want to do well in the English 410 championship have Jim at Longthorne build you a barrel set for your 12 bore Longthorne that has the same balance as your 12 bore barrel. He could flute the outside of barrels to match the weight and they would look really cool..I shot my MT-6 with Briley titanium tubes for American skeet for many years and broke many 100 straights..I shot the 28 bore tubes for the 12, 20 & 28 events as my 28 average was better tha using 12 bore and 20 bore ammo..28 bore is the most balanced shotgun load and the other well balanced is the 10 bore...
I don't know if this is a different ratio shot than before... But I really like it. It's much more movies.
The gun, I don't know. Do I need .410? No. Do I want one? I don't know. Does it cross my mind that it would be a good little quail and woodcock gun? Yeah. And that would be fun to go shoot clays on the weekend occasionally? Yeah
I don't know. I think I would just rather have something more interesting. And then be satisfied with what I got.... And not left after other stuff... Well that happen? No