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- Recently the GNOME Foundation president put out a blog post regarding the state of funding in the foundation and the massive deficit the foundation has been running for the past few years.
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Don't just believe what your favorite talking head says, whether that be Nicco, Lunduke or (I don't know why he would be) me.
If you care about this situation read the GNOME reports, read the KDE reports, read the GNOME plan and come to your own conclusion. There's no need to start a flame war over the funding of a desktop environment. If you don't care, enjoy your day.
We've all come to different conclusions on the matter and that's ok, that's why I always try to link my sources so you can do your digging into the topic.
Just throwing this out there because I’m too lazy to do it myself, but maybe it would be worth comparing GNOME’s spending to other nonprofits than just KDE? After all, just looking at their financials in a vacuum could paint a very different picture than how things actually are.
@@ars7374 that's a fair take, I chose KDE because they operate in the same space and are a very similar project
My favorite talking head is still Max Headroom. But you're in the top ten.
@@CptJistuce what in the world did you send me to lol
@@BrodieRobertson The 80s.
Gnome made an update to clarify things. In it, they state that they intentionally ran a deficit and they expect to break even this fiscal year.
Seems like a politician
I bet that that's just damage control...
@@blinking_dodo It’s not damage control. The Gnome Foundation Director made a blog post about their finances. Outlets like Lunduke saw that and made it seem like they were on the verge of collapse. Which is not the case at all, which is why they provided an update to clarify things.
@@that_leaflet Bro that guy is LITERALLY unhinged.
He made a 40 minute video over a single tweet that was misrepresented in the most dishonest way possible.
How do people get like this?
@@that_leaflet Hmmm...
Okay.
Maybe with 1 million euros more they will manage to remove the remaining features of the DE.
I don't think it's a big deal, because Gnome doesn't take on loans or liabilities. What they pay are basically ad-hoc payments from within their coffers. Even if they become completely insolvent they can continue to function without having to go into bankruptcy proceedings, because they don't owe any money to anyone. The roles are all volunteer roles, and the programming expenses are atomic.
I've been donating 10€ per month to the Gnome project for years now, and I think everyone should donate money to the projects they use, even if the donations are not recurring.
Yeah, it's not debt so it's not *really" a problem. But I would personally prefer they had taken something like the more moderate/stable approach Brodie mentioned. I think stability probably would've been better in the long term for projects. It hurts when you have to cut back.
Money or time. Even if it's just learning how to make useful bug reports or answering questions usefully on forums time has been very much appreciated on stuff I've worked on.
Only users who really *should* donate are business and government entities that save millions of dollars every year by leeching off foss
Except, they DO have hired personell, like Holly just as an example.
The main problem with spending as quickly as they have is stability, if you're doing some contract work for the Gnome foundation, because of their expenses going up and down this much you have absolutely no idea if you're going to have that contract renewed.
System76 did stop sponsoring GNOME. Especially after that Purism/libadwaita employee wrote that hit piece on the GNOME blog that GNOME refused to remove.
I had assumed it was because of the switch from GNOME to COSMIC and seeing no need need to advise a desktop you won't be using but that makes a lot of sense as well.
@taylor9481 wait until you see who's the secretary of the Apache Foundation - an actual Nazi.
Damn, that was Purism? Embarrassing L for GNOME considering Luis Rossman's takedown of Purism, who I now won't be buying from indefinitely.
@@hopperstreams4487Yes, I didn't mention it at the time because I assumed Purism wasn't to blame for the behavior of Christopher "BrainBlasted" Davis, who was the primary instigator of the whole Twitter war, and the author of that hit piece. After watching Rossman's videos, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it on purpose. libadwaita is a collaboration between Purism and GNOME. Of course they're going to be actively opposed to anything System76 wants. Regardless of the fact that their firmware developers forked System76 firmware for their laptops.
@@mmstick I just read through it, and that's a wild post. Half the "sources" are the author completely misrepresenting what was said to push a narrative.
I think this is a good thing. The purpose of non-profits is to spend the money they are given on the things the donors care about. The sickness infecting modern non-profit organizations is that they are treated as just another "business" buy the wealthy business people who found them. Instead of spending the donations on solving problems. They spend it on galas and fund raising dinners and marketing and other stuff to "grow the foundation". And you end up with a hugely wealthy, hugely well known, and rapidly growing foundation that doesn't actually do very much to solve any problems but sure make the founder feel like a big shot.
That is a cop-out.
The best non-profits put their donations into an endowment and spend the interest. The bad non-profits spend the donations.
@@nobodyimportant7804 This is exactly backwards. Those big endowments produce interest that pays for galas and fundraising events and marketing and PR to bring in more money for the endowment so they can have more press events. The biggest and most visible non-profit foundations spend the smallest percentage of their donations on actual helping anyone. That does not make them the best non-profits in my opinion. And your confusion about this is entirely the intended outcome of those running those big non-profits.
Well this makes me feel much better about my KDE donations... 😆
BTW what got me to first donate was that cute konqi art on the Welcome Center asking me nicely after a fresh install.
I feel like asking for donations on the website is always going to be hard, because most users won't ever visit the website.
In the Windows world, the most likely reason a user visits the website is to download the software.
In the Linux world, that is strongly discouraged. You are most likely going to download a third-party package from the distributor of your OS, and completely bypass any interaction with the developers.
It should be easily accessible on the website but it absolutely shouldn't be the only place
The setting started/setup app is probably a good place for it, that's not too far off conceptually from how Thunderbird does things.
@@BrainStormzFTC thunderbird I believe shows it on every major update so if gnome showed it every 6 months on a major release most people couldn't really complain
maybe linux package managers should all act like npm and print "N projects are looking for funding!"
although with how quickly that's ignored in npm, it's probably pointless lol.
@@generallyunimportant along with "found N vulnerabilities" ? :P
I think adding people to the board to get a different opinion from what their current idealisms are would be a great step forward unless they’re just deep rooted idealist. As for their ability to budget, they haven’t shown any results yet. So even if they say we’re changing things or doing things differently, it doesn’t matter unless they can show it.
To this day I'm surprised English has not borrowed a word (outside the Linux space) to split free as in beer from free as in speech, like French gratuit/libre, Japanese 無料/自由, etc.
Sometimes gratis or libre is used it just never caught on as much
I remember i went to Germany once and tried asking if something was free in terms of price and ended up asking if it was free (frei) as in freedom and the employees at the place laughed for like a good 5 minutes until my colleague explained to me what i'd said wrong 😂
Never heard an Aussie talk before with out saying the F#@& word. What a legend this guy is. I thought it was a vowel in Australia.
oh he recorded it, it just got cut off at the end
He's from South Australia, they tend to be more "proper" there
At least it wasn't the C-word
I thought he was british 😭
Meh, gnome does what gnome does. I find life is much easier if I just don't pay attention to what the gnome dose and I pretend it just doesn't exist at all.
Wisdom
GNOME has a welcome app, why not add it there and maybe in the about section in settings? I feel like that would be a good spot to put a donate link, make it clear that it's not from the distro and maybe a build option to disable it
I believe there were KDE talks to do something similar, I'm not aware of any GNOME discussions but I agree
8:29 what villain put red font on a dark theme?That's so difficult to read
I think it was fine to spend it quickly because the things money can buy are sometimes better sooner rather than later. Yes now that income is lower expenses have to get cut back, but it seems like the previous spending was used for great foundational/enabling work that should still allow the foundation to operate with more efficiency than before. That puts them in a better position with their regular income faster than it would have had they invested that money slowly. It certainly doesn’t seem like they were careless given the fact they saw this coming and had a threshold for when to readjust. I don’t see a lot of value in keeping excess money around.
I still find it worrying that lowering the costs isn't even mentioned once. There should be *at least* a plan for what to do if the funding doesn't grow as much as they want it to be. Not planning ahead like that is highly irresponsible, imho.
On one hand i LOVE gnome. on the other hand, gnome maintainers are insufferable people and talking to them is like talking to a wall.
I remember the last time the gnome foundation ran out of money because they spent it on diversity and inclusion efforts instead of development
That's the issue I have with them. They are often annoying, arrogant (we know better than everyone else), and a bit too much DEI-oriented. The product is good, but would have been better with more intellectual diversity
@@shenlong3363 KDE is also very DEI-orientated lol
how to kill off a project.
Why does that smell like Mozilla?
Note that when talking about operating environments, if you start making Thunderbird style popups in GNOME or KDE, you're dangerously close to the Windows11 advertisement debacle just when people are pointing and laughing at Microsoft for implementing ads in their product.
Yes yes, KDE and GNOME are free - that doesn't mean we should accept popups in your DE begging for donations.
Nothing wrong a single popup (or with a check don't show again), because those people have invested a lot of time and resources in those apps.
It would be great to have this solution in the store app instead. Meaning you could set a budget to spend on apps monthly. Donations are needed, because people cannot keep doing this for free.
Once I get a proper post-college job, I'll donate to the software I use. I don't use Gnome, so I won't give them money. I use Arch and Hyprland and Qutebrowser, so I will give them money.
In principle, I don't see anything wrong with a more bursty spending strategy.
So long as your baseline expenses are covered, when you get an unexpected windfall, it's just as valid to burn through it slowly by slightly augmenting ongoing work or to quickly pour it all into a finite project.
It's valid but think about it from the perspective of your contractors, whilst they are temporary positions everyone would prefer some level of job security and having no idea if that contract will be renewed next round is a stress I wouldn't want to deal with
Nah man, you gotta save that windfall until inflation has reduced it to nothing! 😉
@@BrodieRobertson Yeah, that really does depend on how you do it. If you're just increasing personnel to a level where you're just gonna have to lay people off when the money's gone, that's bad.
You could, however, outsource specific work with a known start and end.
they can always put adverts in the menu lol
I actually run a community interest company, imo the only years you should be in a deficit like that are your startup years. If you want growth you need to be proactive and seek money, either by offering donationware, making people aware they can donate or even offering a paid service which you can do in a CIC, not sure about the rest of the world but you are allowed to run a CIC like a business in the UK so long as the profits benefit the community rather than the directors. My biggest concern with that sort of shortfall is the desperation, and when companies get to donate to causes that are desperate, they get to attach strings.
Gnome is not desperate, tho. Keep in mind that the operating expenses for Gnome are minimal, since all of their contracts are explicitly scoped. Even if Gnome suddenly stopped receiving any money, they could continue to function on a budget of *almost* 0 (they still need to run their GitLab instance, but that's basically it).
@@insu_na then one must ask why they didn’t cut expenses as soon as money stopped coming in for at least the second year, if this is the case.
GNOME is not a community interest company, it's a foundation. Different.
@@ps5hasnogames55 aware, but the same principles of responsibly spending money in a way that ensures you can keep supporting the cause you exist for, still apply. Like, you can’t escape the fact that once it’s gone, it’s much harder to get it back. Hiring fundraisers costs money, crafting good donation ads costs money, and creating a polished DE like gnome sure as heck costs money. So it’s important to make sure your finances are in order well in advance of hitting any buffers you set out.
it has been said before, but a small welcome page when you open the settings app that asks for donations, kinda like what thunderbird does, would probably be fine with large parts of the community and would increase visibility for gnome
I'm surprised considering that gnome is used in practically every enterprise distro.
this is a problem about expenses and not funding
Shaman sisters, we got too cocky.
Jokes aside, why can't Debian or Fedora (both use GNOME as the default DE) donate more?
The danger with this approach is if desktop environments become nagware and if we end up with a donate or be nagged approach.
I mean they’re funding situation shows currently KDE desktop is way ahead of them and technology advancements and HDR is a game changer. They’re unknown 46 I believe and they still so no signs of adding HDR support or any other advance options like KD has.
And KDE has about a quarter of the funding, lol.
I think GNOME received a lot of traction for their FOSS approach (maybe from their GNU/FSF roots?) But their *VERY* opinionated "UI design decisions" wouldn't have received much traction without the support of enterprise distros like RHEL (and their babies like Fedora). The GNOME foundation got overly confident regarding their funding and will have to reduce their expenditure as fast as it increased, I don't think that there is a "long term" threat to the GNOME project or foundation.
As a non-profit having a lot of money in the bank is not always great. If you have projects for it, might as well spend it this year, next year that same dev is going to be more expensive. And the foundation probably doesn’t want to touch investing that money.
@@EraYaN If a dev were to triple their bill, year on year, I'd be finding another dev. But tripling the dev team from one year to the next, is not, as Brodie pointed out, not a good idea. KDE didn't do it and are still in a sound position. ?
So, kinda tangential, but I'm personally hoping this proves true for creative writing as well. My plan, which almost certainly won't work, is to have a "Free and Open-Source Series" where I use a CC license and list a repo with all my world and character notes and stuff ready when by the time I finish the edits and publish. I'm REALLY hoping that the donate button on the site means I can at least break even. We'll see if that works there :)
This doesn't surprise me, a few years ago they blew their entire budget on womens' outreach and then cried poor. As a foundation they've never been good with their money
I saw it earlier today on twitter, before that i didnt know about it.
Honest question. Who actually pays these people? RH?Americans aren't supposed to make 100K?
You never go full non-profit! XD
Ever since the introduction of Gnome Shell, the team has always been somewhat hit-and-miss.
Considering the GNOME popularity and usage, and the need for constant and high in quality development, I wouldn't say 1 mil.$ per year is too much of a budget.
So, they should focus on attracting more income - speak with big companies, who may be willing to donate, speak with the users, ask for donations - I would not mind, if there is a call to donate on the GNOME Software app, and I will probably chip in, and many other people will do it too.
So, it's not a drama of spending too much. Actually it's the opposite - it shows how underfinanced the FOSS community is. And we need to change that, if we care.
Fuck GNOME. All hail Xfce and their final steps to integrate with Wayland. 🤘
And most modular.
And most configurable. And most stable. And most responsibly developed.
And yes. Ugly. Oh wait no that's the gnome/gtk window stuff that looks like it's broken and not intended.
All hail Xfce ✊
No more meetings!
isn't the graph on the whiteboard wrong?
Shamans are expensive though
I do partly wonder if the funding issues and/or the new budget is why Gnome is faffing around avoiding agreeing to any new standards.
Nah, they've been like that for a while. GNOME is just bad at sharing the community with others, lets perfection be the enemy of good, etc.
thunderbirb does this so well, but gnome's gotta gnome i guess
Because Thunderbird is under Mozilla, and Mozilla are in no shortage of money
Gnome bad. KDE good.
- A cool GNU+Linux user.
Why not host Gnome-oriented events, conferences, sell merch like stickers, tshirts, hats, cups etc.
Cause it would only appeal to foot fetishes.
They do, it's called GUADEC
OK, now I want to know where all that Thunderbird money is going. It doesn't seem to be going towards making Thunderbird better.
The last 2 or so major releases of Thunderbird have both done significant UI/UX work. That takes lots of Dev time, especially for as old and huge an application Thunderbird is. Also, they had a lot of tech debt from the XUL days that they had to work through, that's a lot more Dev time right there.
It was barely alive when they got the money. Just the project surviving is a plus in my book.
Now they even maintain the android app K-9 Mail and are working on Thunderbird Mobile.
Their business development manager Ryan Sipes goes into more detail in Brodie's Tech Over Tea episode.
@@BrainStormzFTC ah yes, the new _Supernova_ UI. I had to read two separate blog posts with written instructions to make it look like that. Mostly it's a sidegrade, and some changes made things worse. This was supposed to be their headline feature, yet they couldn't make it one button to try the new layout.
@@Problematist admittedly Thunderbird is a very complex app. However, a whole desktop environment with a fully custom display server, a whole suite of apps, and the toolkit to make them, isn't exactly a small feat either. Both Gnome and KDE are of similar vintage, have done significant rewrites in the past few years, and are operating on a fraction of the budget.
@@jfolz Thunderbird is a for profit company and employs 24 people while 3rd party companies employ people to work full time on Gnome and KDE. Without that it certainly would be worse at their current budget just as much the lack of that hurt Thunderbird.
I don't think it's productive to min/max how much money a project needs to operate. We should rather hope for the best for all of them.
The Gnome Foundation is going hard into racial/sexual discrimination. We might want to reconsider funding this project.
Edit: I cancelled my recurring donation, others may want to consider this
System76 probably will leave or it's an expense they can cut if they so choose.
A system76 guy has told me they already have left, it's just after the latest report
@@BrodieRobertson I'm not surprised after all, if they're not contributing to the genome project then it is funds that could be used elsewhere for the company.
Stabilize *what* ?
GNOME has shown no restraint in their spending habits and did not manage their financial buffers.
If you are unable to limit spending, there's no point in gaining extra revenue sources.
Yes, you're so right! We need austerity! Cut costs, enshittification!!!
@@insu_naGnome is great at enshittification already, they don't need to spend funds on it.
Money at rest is not helping linux and not helping developers. I guess clear indication is useful, but a nonprofit should spend their money as soon as they have a good cause.
Gnome is too centralized, which is why I generally avoid their stuff. I'm sure Gnome contributes to packages that I use, but in general their flagship Gnome Desktop isn't right for me.
How exactly are they 'too centralised"?
Gnome only cares about gnome
If you can, donate to your favorite FOSS projects!
yes donate to KDE, not GNOME :)
@@ps5hasnogames55 I'd rather donate to Xfce, considering I use it.
Linux mint (LMDE 6 to be precise)
Guh-nome
True
Noam!
G-Noam
I partly disagree. We wouldn't have the features we have today if not for the spending.
But I feel like KDE did a lot more with the money they have. Not sure 🤔
Yes and no, GNOME have to mantain GTK while KDE uses Qt that are mantained by Qt company. So I don’t think the comparison is easy.
Also KDE to attract developer uses adds often a lot of feature and, at least in the past, was unstable and not easy to be shipped in a commercial distro (that’s why almost everyone uses gnome as default). That kind of boring work needs more funding.
GNOME Foundation does not directly pay anyone to work on GNOME, it exists to own the legal trademarks and host infrastructure
I think Linux development would go much more smoothly if Gtk and Gnome didn't exist: Change my mind.
Gnome need to not running GTK
KDE > GNOME
Time to merge with KDE and create Knome.
"They're running on a deficit"
Checks out for me. Their hateful attitude towards their users ought to be reflected somehow.
A deficit isn't inherently bad, a deficit for too long can be. You don't want a non profit with too much in cash reserves, but you also don't want one that isn't sustainably spending that money
Their users, outside devs who choose to write apps with Gtk, and the rest of the FOSS community. I would not mind if they ran out of money. I don't even use Plasma (other than on my Steam Deck) but I'd be much happier seeing Gnome's funding going to KDE instead.
You know from who Gnome isnt recieving a penny ? Its me :P
None of these expenses actually went to developing the desktop environment, did they?
@FerroMeow 1/10th admin cost of the actual engineering team is MASSIVE bloat.
Maybe they were trying to avoid inflation?
Your money can't devalue if you don't have any money.
350000 IQ
@@softwarelivre2389 That's literally why inflation exists, lol.
It's to force people and companies that deal in cash/money instead of stocks/real estate to spend that money, lest it becomes worth( )less
people don't understand how things work
well gnome and co are installed via a package manager right? They can just add something like "Would you like to donate? If so this is the official donations page that links to the current supported method/s:" to their package description with said link a couple lines below
do you even know what a package manager is? A package manager has no UI.
@@ChrisWijtmans But it does, just because you only use the cli versions doesn't mean everyone does. I use the GUI and it always shows a description.
@@zxuiji do i have to repeat myself? learn what a package manager is.
@@ChrisWijtmans maybe YOU need to learn.
@@zxuiji "no you" is not an argument uneducated troll.
They could charge to install Gnome extensions to make it usable again 🕺🕺
This means we should donate more to GNOME.
One would think that their "Professional Shaman" would have gone to the scrying pool, or scattered some chicken bones on the floor to see what was coming. How could such a thing happen? 🤣
As if 99% of ceos don't pray to a God. It'll is all magical woowoo bullshit.
For some reason, I feel you apply this to the "shaman" and not the "Christian" or "Muslim"
All equally woowoo magic poopoo
@@user-in2cs1vp6oI think you're busy looking for a reason to be offended and shutting off your ability to read critically.
They could have said "why didn't their priest pray for guidance". They didn't, because it sounds funnier the way they did it.
@@CptJistuce what am I supposed to offended by? Did you respond to the right person?
@@user-in2cs1vp6o I responded to the person who was offended by the use of the word shaman.
@@CptJistuce Literally no one is offended by the use of the word shaman. Are you offended because Christianity is just as fake as shamanism?
Gnome spends like they had more things in their DE than a settings app and a file manager... It lacks the basics, they don't even have a panel!
yes, and the most confusing thing is that they always talk about polish of the experience, but for some reason have no problem in shipping pre-alpha state software.
For example gnome software when it was introduced was straight up unusable, only recently it is more or less working. EOG was repleaced with the new photo viewer that couldnt even open all the things that EOG could open and cant rotate images or set a wallpaper.
Gnome music is useless because the maintainer has decided that you HAVE TO put you music in the music folder, if you have your music on a separate drive, just dont ok? gnome maintainer has spoken.
Gnome terminal has been replaced by console that has 1/30 of the feature and many distros didnt even ship because it sucked. Now with ptyxis being developed, it could replace prompt. wtf?
They are reinventing the wheel 10 times, each time worse than the last.
I am really confused about the gnome CEO .. Not a person from tech or anything related to the space
That's always a bad omen, just like WotC, Yahoo, GW, Lucas Films...
She is the executive director. She has past experience with with non-profits and fundraising which is probably why she was hired.
To be fair a CEO is just a financial position where their job is to sell the board on things. Not actually lead the company in any form or fashion.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115big difference being that there is no company here, and frankly a person like that might be the right one to go fundraising and keep the books in order.
@@joshua_lee732 don't tell that to the angry linux neckbeards. They'd be mad if they could read
I've had this idea bouncing around in my head for a while, for foss foundations to use stuff like stock trading to supplement their income. Idk how fisable that is, but afaik being non profit doesn't stop the organisation from trying to nake money as long as that money is funneled back in. I think it might be a good way to build cash reserves for some draught years.
honestly brodie went from showing applications every day from being a linux reporter, miss the days
We do a bit of both
@@BrodieRobertson I know chances are high that you likely expanded (or might expand soon-ish) into a multi-man operation and that's the reason you used "we", but I can't resist:
Pulling out the royal "we" like a german monarch in the early 1900s ? 😄
@@BrodieRobertson would love a nice application video dropped every once in a while, thanks :) (always subbed none the less of the content)
@@isofruitfruit9357 ooh damn that might be correct
As a solo developer, I hate the FOSS developer mentality. People (Stallman) say: "the software is free, free as "gratis" and free as freedom". But what they actually mean is: "it's free as long as you are not making multiple millions of dollars, if you are, then I will passively aggressively complain that you use my "some-small-task" library (that you could perfectly have made your own) and you should donate more money to me for it." And that is why I write everything in C from scratch when I can only using the system libraries (talking of Windows here). I would rather have people say: "you have to pay me X fixed amount of money to use my open source library" than do this, that would be the right thing to do.
True foss devs usually don't have that attitude...it's the corporate drones and foundation bureaucrats in this space that do
You can't really easily make money on OS Software. One way to help is to start more hardware project, RISC-V laptops bundled with Linux and paying a part of the proceeds to the distros they bundle, like ASUS and co do with Windows. But i do believe you need consumer products and that the software on it's own isn't likely to make a lot of money.
Would be a good idea to try and do like an App Store on Ubuntu and stuff, but the problem with OS is that someone is just gonna fork your code and make a free (as in free beer) alternative and screw you over in the process.
I'd switch the licensing to disallow forks or clones tbh, if someone wants to contribute to my project they can clone it and push a PR directly, they don't need a separate repo under their own account with the same codebase. I think steps need to be made licensing-wise to separate the right to read and push modifications (or modify locally) some software and the intellectual property rights to the software that should remain strictly with the original creator.
If you publish Gnome and someone else makes a fork of Gnome, Gnome should be able to cease and desist them, it's an unpopular opinion in OS as people love being able to just take someone else's work and make spin-offs, but again, without intellectual property over the software, you don't own anything and there's no reason for anyone to pay you a dime.
I'd at least start these kinds of discussions and maybe someone changes my mind or comes up with a better idea, but absolutely, the money problem is the Achilles heel of OS software and has been for years. You just cannot reasonably expect so many people to keep wasting their lives working so hard for nothing. And a lot of them ARE getting paid now, but they're getting paid by Microsoft and nVidia, which brings the concerns about these corporations slowly taking over the Linux space.
GNOME is so weirdly corporate.
Having a nonprofit foundation makes you "corporate"? Is KDE corporate too then?
Nicollo disagress, I trust Nicollo.
Hyprland has no debt or funding deficit, come to hyprland :)
Vaxry release more anime waifu wallpapers for hyprland dammit
When hyprland makes it down to Debian stable sure.
No thanks, I need a computer that works not a toy. Also, the community of Hyperland is full of incredibly unpleasant people why bother with that.
@@HagobSaldadianSmeik Ohh get a load of this guy. He doesn't play with toys!
Can I get your autograph mate
Hyprland doesn't even have a budget hahajaja
Haha @ red hat and gnome. Get woke, go broke.
Least corrupt NGO.
why did you title this video like that one FNF clickbait youtuber
I don't think I've ever actually watched a FNF video all the way through, it was a little bit too late for me
Can't they just add fucking adds like Windows does in Startmenu?
It's better then getting sponsored by some MS buddy company that will drive project into wrong direction!
In which startmenu?
ubuntu tried that. linux users dont want spyware in their OS.
Ahhh more diversity, that is sure to change things. Even FOSS boards with literally no money can't stop themselves from spouting this garbage. What GNOME needs is to stop spending so much, make it as easy as possible for people that want to donate to donate, and to stop dragging their feet in implementing each and every new Wayland protocol.
"I watch lunduke and have zero critical thinking skills!🤓"
@@user-in2cs1vp6o "REEE I NEED LGBTQIA+ ESL SWARTHOIDS TO MAKE MY DESKTOP"
This is why software sucks
@@user-in2cs1vp6o I dunno, Lunduke fucking HATES Wayland
@@user-in2cs1vp6o I don't watch lunduke. The fact that after running a deficit for three consecutive years, all the new board leader can come in with is diversity, is telling.
@@max_im_um The leader didn't just come up with diversity as the only solution. That's ridiculous. The fact that you believe that means you're a moron.
If gnome is recognized as public tech project then it means that the government owns it. Its is considered public property. What makes it worse is you take money from the government. Bad idea. The government can take it and put restrictions on it just like they are doing with any other public property. I will have to look into crating a new OS because linux is in trouble.
I have making a new OS on my TO-DO list...
Do you want to keep using the Linux kernel, or would you want to create a whole new kernel and OS architecture too?
@@blinking_dodo No silly. You must design your own hardware first.
I am working on the first 128 bit pc.
"The Government" ahhhh, yes the New World Order owns Gnome, thank you for this incredible insight. Don't fall off the flat earth please
@@blinking_dodo I will have to build everything from scratch. It can be done but it will take time. I will not use anything open source because it will be subject to government ownership. They will not be able to take down versions already out there but they can control future releases. I got some ideas from kolibitos like using dosbox to run dos apps. Modern design will allow reduced need for coding.
@@user-in2cs1vp6o Sorry but someone already beat you to it. Check the wikipedia article on 128-bit computing.
But yes, i am planning on doing the hardware too. Starting with the CPU+MMU using an FPGA.
Bro you can't tell me Gnome foundation doesn't waste huge sums of money on egalitarianism. Because they definitely do.
revising the budget beyond a running average of previous years based SOLEY on 2-3 outlier donations, and then being BUTTHURT they're running a deficit - like that's somehow that's anyone's fault but their own... is PEAK Guh-nome 😂
You know that is basically how you run a non-profit yeah? The money in the bank just loses value, so you better spend it. Especially if you have no liabilities in the foundation anyway.
Where did you get butthurt from? Literally, that's you. You're butthurt over gnomes existence lol. Like genuinely, how did you come to the conclusion that gnome is butthurt? That doesn't even make sense.
@@EraYaN HEY! If robnobert could read, he'd be very upset right now.
@@insu_na I'm not upset 🤷♂️ I just think the guy replying to me is retarded for saying the way most nonprofits work should be the way ALL nonprofits work. My sister works for a non-profit who doesn't do this. Saying this is normal does not justify it. That doesn't make me mad that you think it's normal - it IS normal 🤷♂️ why the f*** would I be mad about that??? I just think you're f****** dumb for thinking that means that it has to be that way.
@@EraYaN Great. My complaint wasn't that they spent the money. It's that they made the budget the next year more than the money they took in the year previously. That has nothing to do with spending all the money in their account. Try learning to read.
THEY'RE COOKED
They're certainly cooking something
me when shrimp
🫤 Do we have to keep using the beer analogy? I think it's so dated, and there are so many other well known and frequently used analogical phrases which seem so much more culturally relatable to broader audiences; how about "free as in pizza" or "free as in lunch"? 🤔
It easily rolls off the tongue and everyone knows about it, personally I'd vote for free as in tea for the rhyming
I think we need to change the other side. "Free as in Braveheart" has a nice wring to it. Instead of FOSS software, we could have braveheartware.
beer is method of international communication, once two people wishing to communicate have drunken enough, they will understand each other even if one is like english and second hungarian or anything
Not free as in nothing, but free as in nothing. /zen