Walther PPS M2 vs CCP M2 Review
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- Walther PPS M2 vs CCP M2 Comparison Review. Both are Single Stacked, similar in size, and excellent for carry, but there are some major differences. Thanks to GunProDeals for their Support. Please check them out.
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sootch00 do a video on California getting their standard capacity mags back after nearly two decades 👍💪🇺🇸
Is like to know what the hek is the difference between the CCP M2 vs CCP ?
Sir check the serial number on walther pps m2 they are under recall for the possibility of going off if dropped stay safe sir god bless
The CCP and PPS **are** made by two different companies. The CCP is made by Umarex in their plant and the PPS is made by Walther in their plant in Ulm, where all the classic, excellent Walthers are made (PPQ, P99, etc). The CCP simply isn't as high a quality gun in materials, fit or finish.
I have carried a PPS M2 LE edc for a few years now, have put thousands of rounds through it, and have even taken tactical training courses with it. It has served me extremely well and I am always surprised this gun doesn’t get more love.
I still carry my PPS M2 and my daughter actually loves shooting it at the range now.
I went and shot a S&W Shield 4-5 times, just never liked it BUT its the CC pistol to beat, Once I held the PPS I fell in love, and (in my opinion) it shoots 500% better than the Shield as well!
Ryan Duff The PPS beat all other single stacks in the G&A shootout.
pps m2 still my carry gun
Mine, too. Has been for 4 years now.
What a GREAT review. No frills, no nonsense. Told me what I needed to know (including a comparison of the WIDTH). I am looking at a pistol to wear IWB, and the PPS seems to fill the bill. THIS video should be the standard against which all the others should be measured! I think I will order the LE edition because of the slightly longer grip/increased mag capacity. The CCP is also excellent, but I am looking for a "skinnier" pistol for IWB carry.
I bought the CCP M2 a few months ago and couldn't be happier with it.
I picked up a CCP M2 (stainless) from my dealer today, and am very happy with mine. The quality of this firearm is outstanding, and the price of $290 shipped from Bud's Guns makes it a great value. The grip is incredibly comfortable.
Don't forget the original full size and compact p38. Walther is awesome. Thanks for the m9 design.
The CCP grip really melts into your hand. Great ergonomics.
David S Yep. Most ergonomic pistol I have ever held. My daughter owns it and I love shooting it.
That is *exactly* what I said the first time I picked up the CCP. It melted into my hand and I felt like the pistol was an extension of my body.
PPS M2 is one of my favorite handguns.
Yeah I'll never sell mine. I tried the P365 and got rid of it. Too small and didn't shoot as well as the PPS.
Love your down to earth reviews; keep up the good work!!!
Thanks Bear!
Good job on a great vid comp I have been waiting to see someone do!
The PPS shoots like a dream and its size makes it a perfect appendix carry. It sure doesn't shoot like a CCW either. Love mine!
samsutliff CANT WAIT...just got mine yesterday
Need CCP ergonomics on PPS and we have a perfect gun.
I've been begging Walther to do a total redesign of the CCP. That would do it.
CCP is a fixed barrel like PPK
@@nikolaygrishakin4646 you're point?
I just a need a double stack CCP with a better trigger.
@@bluemoose9740 ppq too big
Huy Tran give me the PPS with a 10+1 magazine 💪🏾
I love my PPS. It is the best small handgun I've ever shot.
Magguts
Excellent video! This is exactly what I wanted to see when I searched for a vs. video of these handguns. I love my PPQ and you’re right about the familiar territory of the feels of these weapons.
PLEASE NOTE: The PPS-M2 LE INCLUDES AN 8 ROUND MAGAZINE ALONG WITH A 7 and a 6 !
YOU GET THREE MAGAZINES !!!
I Carry 8+1
Gerry K only with the LE model. Just got one yesterday...nice with the FDE frame..came with 6 and 7 rd mag
@@ResplendentRaider you can buy the 8 rounder for non LE version
Great comparison Sootch! As I get more experienced I notice those smaller details that I missed as a novice! Thx for your leadership in handgun operation & review!
I have the CCP M2. No complaints. It feels great in my hands and shoot fast and accurate. As for concealment, I carry in OWB in the Kydex holster from R&R and it hides well but it also fits in my jeans back pocket holster included. As for a trigger pull, I used to carry an HK P2000 DAO and a Beretta M96 DAO before the HK as a USCBP officer and they also had a long reset but it is a matter of training to shoot it fast. We were required to shoot 3 rounds in 2 seconds one handed from the holster as part of our qualification back when I was with the agency. Those were bigger guns both in size and caliber (40SW) specially the M96 with a 3/4" trigger travel. Once you get your hands and brain used to it you will have no problems with a compact gun like the CCP. It is compact but not too small, just the right size.
No matter what i search for, there u are. You are my rock and i appreciate u.
I carried the PPS M2 for a couple of years and loved it. It was completely reliable and accurate. I recently replaced it with a Sig P365 (now that the bugs have been worked out) because of the greater capacity in a smaller size. There is a downside to the CCP that isn't mentioned in the video, and that's how dirty it runs. The blowback design itself runs dirty and the addition of the piston really mucks things up after only a hundred rounds or so. So, if you chose the CCP you've got to keep it clean... after every range trip.
Yet another good review by Sootch! Thanks again for all you do.
Thanks Doug! I appreciate it Brother
Got the pps m2 in LE edition with phosphorous "night" sights. Love that thing, carry it everywhere!
Its nice to have the 8 round mags.
Great, detailed review. If only more reviews were this in depth.
both are good guns as I have had the chance to shoot both. The PPS M2 is a real under rated gun...it is my daily CCW pistol. It is reliable with all JHP, coated, and FMJ ammo I have put thru it. The original model PPS is what my son uses as his CCW pistol. Walther makes great guns and I highly recommend you check them out if you are looking for a single stack 9mm pistol. Oh, and I do not work for Walther either :) Thanks for another great video.
I’m definitely a PPSM2 fanboy💯,I can’t help it out of all the guns I’ve owned and carried this one has to be my favorite
Same, tried the 365 and Glock 48 and just couldn’t shoot them nearly as well and carrying both of them was just off feeling.
Thank you - great compare contrast review.
When carrying a single stack, the PPS m2 is my preferred pistol. IMO, the best single stack polymer striker fired pistol ever. The PPS has a long history as a proven and very reliable pistol. I've always liked this Walther. I've lost count of the rounds I've put through the PPS and never an issue. An excellent choice and great firearm.
Stephan Hall I agree, but to be fair the internals are basically a Glock copy. ; )
Great video. My wife shots the PPS M2. It fits her hand perfectly and she shoots it extremely well.
Love my PPS M2 LE edition. It replaced my G43 as my EDC.
Slk Ric wow..impressive
I pick up my PPS M2 LE on Saturday and after some range time it’ll most likely replace my G43 as well.
I love my PPS M2. I carry it with me everywhere
best single stack tp date until I see the single stack from HK
Thank You for your great reviews 👌🏻
Thanks for the comparison!👍
Thanks for the review , I am considering adding this ...👍
I have both of these. For the prices they are selling for now, PPS $269 and CCP $369 they are both no brainers. The PPS is more accurate than my other single stack 9mm’s
How is the pps more accurate than the ccp?
sootch you're rapidly becoming my favorite firearms reviewer. You go into just enough practical information for both and your honesty and personality really brings it all together. Also you're a CZ fan hahaha but seriously love the vids. Back me up here, wouldn't you like a single stack micro version of the P07?
Thank you very much to Sootch00 from Italy (Venice downtown)! 😉
Nice review Sootch as always... Nice to know fire arms facts.....😃
The piston is interesting, might rent at the range and check it out.
I doubt that they will replace my S&W Shield.
Been clinging to my gen 1 for years! Fell in love with the feel the first time I held it.
It's a PC so it never had a gritty trigger!
Long live the REPUBLIC and Sootch!
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Thanks Robert! Hard to beat the Shield. My wife is a huge Shield Fan.
Long Live the Republic!
I own a PPS M2 and the earlier version CCP. Love them both though I lean more towards the PPS for EDC.
I don't know why but I *really* want a CCP...
I had one. Gave it to one of "my kids" to protect house and wife. Didn't take long before I went and bought another one for myself. That CCP just feels good, and shoots ridiculously well. Do I want one of these M2's? Well, yeah, but I'm not losing this one I have now. It's too good, and I have the tool.
This new one is the bombdiggity. Square trigger guard, better ergonomics, blowback system, external safety, rail... what’s not to love?
The Unsophisticated Platypus it not being built at the Ulm plant makes me skeptical of the CCP
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I find the PPS is extremely accurate for a smaller gun and extremely reliable. Never had one issue in about 500 rounds.
I second this. Out of about 30 ppl in my concealed carry class I shot third best and the two that beat me had larger mid size pistols. The recoil on the PPS is very manageable.
Yeah with slow fire I can easily get a 2 inch group at 25 feet.
I haven't had a single hiccup in about 7-900 rounds.
It also is wearing super well in the Holster. Barely can tell I use a kydex holster.
I agree! The recoil feels almost the same as when I shoot a full size handgun
@@allenmw17
It actually is LESS snappy than my Canik TP9SFX...
And that is shooting +p rounds in the PPS lol.
LESS: 😮
Great pistols so cool on this thank you so much
Really nice demo!
I'm leaning towards the PPS, even though it'll hold fewer rounds.
Thanks again.
I love mine. The extra money for the "LE" version is worth it. You get the 8 round magazine and the Glow in the dark sights for only 30-50 dollars more.
It is VERY concealable with the 6 round magazine. Still easy to shoot with it though imo. And I have bigger hands than Sootch.
get the LE version, night sights, and comes with all 3 mags (6/7/8). not that much more expensive.
MagGutz makes a +1 baseplate for the PPS
Good review, well done.
I needed this video.
PPS M2 all day brother!!!
They are made at 2 different plants, so that explains a lot of the differences.
👍👍 Good stuff as always!!
I’ve looking at both of these guns for my new daily carry. Along with these, I’m also looking a Shields, Bersa BP9CC, as well as the Taurus G2C and G2S. Thanks for the great videos!
All apples and oranges my man... I hope you chose the Bersa because it had the sweetest trigger on the market.
Thanks Sootch :)
I looked at both a long time ago and chose the PPS m2, CCP felt chincy. I love the PPS M2 so much I picked up another one today!!! They’re so cheap right now I had to.
Happy Birthday, Don.
You're right, it’s like two different companies. Good vid.
Thanks Brother!
When I carry my ccpm2 iwb you pretty much cannot tell what so ever,I'm new to firearms and plan on owning both but I really like the feel of the ccp m2.
Awesome review as always Soocth00. I prefer the CCP M2 because of my large hands. The PPS M2 is better to field strip an put back together thou. Each one has it's Pro's an Con's. You can't go wrong with a Walther. Long live the republic Sir
Walther is a great handgun, have a PPQ, love this pistol have been lookinfg for a CCW the PPS is definitely a consideration
I am VERY fond of my CCP. I'd like to get an M2 but only for the ease of disassembly. I have the tool, I know the trick, no real problem.
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Thanks Luiz!
Tried both.....CCP fits my hand better.....can't go wrong with either...i chose the CCP.
Adrian Otero big hand or small hand ?
Just copped the PPS yesterday
@@cuevasedward small hands.....
I have the PPS M2 and the original CCP. Both are very easy to shoot and I do not recall having a malfunction with either pistol. I carry the PPS in warmer months and my wife carries the CCP. People complain about the takedown procedure for the CCP but after you’ve done it a few times it’s no different than taking down any other pistol. You don’t need the provided tool to disassemble the pistol;any pointy tool will do. I like the ergonomics on the CCP better - it just melts into my hand. And my wife likes the fact that the CCP is easy to rack. Both are great pistols.
Get both of them!
Both nice pistols, close call , give me the PPS. Great reveiw as always. P.S. Tx.
Reminds me I still need to send all three of my PPS M2 LE's in for the recall.
Thanks, excellent review, fortunately we live in an era with an unbelievable number of rather similar - and outstanding - handgun options, and these autoloaders certainly should be included in that group. I prefer the fixed barrel CCP M2, solely because static barrel designs have inherent accuracy advantages, but for average marksmen - like me - the increment is probably inconsequential.
Thanks Roy! We live in the Golden Age of Firearms. So many choices.
Thanks
I’ve had a P22 for like 10 years and I love it still so thanks Sootch!
I was like CCP all the way until you went to disassemble it..... Then I was like WTF 😁 interesting that the internals vary so much. I think I still prefer the CCP. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and comparisons.
Another wonderful video , take your pick they are both elite Walther pocket pistols. Thanx P.S. Tx.
Excelente vídeo
Thanks Brother!
Excellent review. Great perspective. Both fine, good quaility firearms. Can't go wrong with either. Smart innovation for CCP.
Thanks Brother!
7:18 that flinch none of us can escape...
The CCP is a great flinch trainer. : )
I had a PPS m2...was ok...I moved on. I was looking at the CCP m2 for a while but they seem to be ammo picky and I also didn't like the trigger.
One thing I noticed when looking at the CCP was that the slide had to be completely pulled back to re-cock the striker, which is what seems to make it ammo picky...some rounds short stroke the slide, which on a normal gun wouldn't be an issue (spent round ejects and new round is loaded in chamber, but striker isn't reset).
See Graham Baates review if you want to see what I'm talking about.
I prefer the CCP. The ergos are just better. Both are plenty accurate and reliable. I like the look of the CCP as well. I’ve put well over 1500 no-issue rounds through the CCP and about 700rds through the PPS. Great vid Sootch!
Kansas Patriot Any difference in recoil?
Stop the Philosophical Zombies Not that much that it makes a huge difference. Follow up shots are pretty smooth with both.
Great review as always. The PPS M2 was my first CC. The store was pushing Glocks, feels like a 2 x 4 to me; but loved the PPS in my hand. I have not had a single issue with it. I love the trigger and think in this size range it's the best. I find the PPS to be very accurate also. I usually use the 8 round mag as I don't have a problem with conceal caring it. I later bought a Creed and PPQ M2. You can't beat Walther ergos. My wife likes the PPS for the fit in her hand. Racking it is too much for her. Maybe she needs the CCP M2?
@G K My daughter loves shooting my PPQ. She raves about the trigger. She would have bought the original CCP except for the take down.
@G K when I got one of the new ppk/s I decided I'm a Walther fan now lol...
One thing I would like to mention about the PPS m2. It has a bigger ejection port in it than others gun in its class. When I do tap an rack drills I’ve never had a dummy round get stuck or an round for that matter! I’ve got over 1500 rounds threw mine no problems yet. For 270 dollars I believe there isn’t a better EDC gun for the money.
Funny you are doing this video I’ve kinda wondered what the difference was. My wife has the original ccp which she was sold on the grip and the ease of racking it. Which I think the new smith and Wesson 380 m&p is probably the easiest slide I’ve ever operated almost feels like a BB gun or something when charging the gun
I’m a Patreon for you now🤘
Thanks Brother! This video was immediately demonetized so I'm even more grateful!
I want the CCP so so so bad! I’ve said for about 8 months, it WILL be my next Walther. I have the PPQ M2 and the PPX Love Walther! Great review! 🇺🇸💚
You have excellent taste in firearms!
Did you get one?
Just purchased a PPS M2 it was a hard decision because I really liked the CCP M2 😁
Walther CCP just looks and feels better.
As always, great video.
It's made by Umarex, not Walther.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Right, my bad
A few months ago I purchased the CCP in 380 ACP. It was an easy shooter, but I decided that even with my hand loaded rounds I wanted more stopping power in a concealed carry pistol so I returned the 380 and purchased the CCP in 9mm. It shoots fine, but after a few months and a few hundred rounds I find that my dominant hand is a bit scrunched up into the trigger guard when I hold the pistol firmly, and it hurts. I have big but not fat hands, I usually wear an XL glove. I purchased the PPQ and that is the sweetest shooter I've ever fired, so that one's being kept at home and it's a keeper. At the range where I shoot they had the PPS M2 and the Glock 43x so I decided to shoot those just be thorough in my search and was I surprised. I expected the Glock to be the superior shooter and was very disappointed in the muzzle flip I was experiencing. So I swapped out to the PPS and wow I was in shock. It's a few ounces heavier than the Glock, even with the 7 round magazine, but it shoots almost as easily as the PPQ. Less muzzle flip, manageable recoil, and a trigger that just cries out "squeeze me". I put about 25 rounds thru the PPS and no hand scrunch, it felt good, I was accurate and had no trouble keeping double taps in the center mass area of my target. I did some research on the 2 pistols because my CCP has an annoying tick when I go to activate the slide while the striker is charged. This tick does not occur when the striker is not charged and I'm certain it's something to do with the striker safety and not the blowback piston. I don't like the jiggle that the pistol makes and I don't feel the pistol has the same level of manufacturing quality that the PPQ or the PPS has. Keep in mind that the CCP is made at the Arnsberg Umarex plant while the PPQ and PPS are manufactured at the Ulm plant. From what I hear on the forums I'm not the only one to feel like the Arnsberg plant isn't quite up to the standards of the Ulm plant. So my PPS is due in Wednesday and I'm going to put my CCP up for sale on GunBroker after I have an independent gunsmith take a look at it. When I sent it back to Walther they told me that many of their pistols make that tick sound, honestly, I think they're full of kaka. FYI I paid $25 less for the PPS than the CCP, and I have the LE edition of the PPS coming. My advice is always to fire a pistol before you buy one, but I'll bet my life on the PPS and not the CCP. If the independent gunsmith agrees Walther may regret having me as a customer before I'm done. Scootch, thanks for another great comparison video.
The PPS and PPQ M1 are two of the best 9mm guns I've ever had or fired. The PPS perfect for summer carry and the PPQ for winter/nighttime. Absolutely adore both guns but the PPQ is the tack-driver at distance with that amazing trigger. The CCP isn't a true Walther. It is manufactured at the Umarex plant (the airsoft factory) the parent company to Walther. It's no wonder you don't like the CCP as much. It does have a following, but I'm not sure why. The trigger blows, and the quality just isn't there. It's not a service quality weapon whereas the PPQ and PPS are both battle-tested. Also there used to be a video up that detailed why the CCP has a number of very concerning design flaws that could cause catastrophic failures. Not sure if it's still up.
I never heard anyone talk about the long reset on the CCP before but you can clearly see it. I'm still buying one soon. I already own three Walthers so far. I first purchased the PPS M2, Creed and recently the PPQ Navy SD.
Grey Beard what are your experiences shooting the pps compared to the others? I have owned a creed and shot the pow. The ppq was better but I don’t remember how much
@@jacobmay6951 I find the Creed just a little easier to shoot, because of the size but the PPS is a higher quality gun. Both are great though.
They are 2 different companies. PPS is Walther. CCP is Umarex
Matthew Caughey Look at the proof mark. If it's a shield it's Umarex, antlers are Walther
I just bought my PPS M2 LE from Buds for 298.00. I put about 300 rounds through it. I really like it. I rotate this and my Bersa BP9cc as my EDC. But mostly carry this almost exclusively now.
The sights do leave a lot to be desired on the ccp. They are nice sights just can’t see the white dots they are very small and dark
I like my PPS M2, but never really warmed up to it as much as my Kahr CW 9, or my Shield.
Hello this is Ted from Texas. I notice you do a lot of reviews on semi autos. Do you ever do reviews on revolvers? I have a Ruger LCR 357 Magnum. And notice that it has a long take up after the shot. It feels it feels to have a long take up. But I think it's just the way it is. Keep making good CZcams videos and I'll keep watching. Thank you.
It feels sloppy and makes a lot of noise in the rest.
Look like great shooters.
Yes, they are great shooting handguns. Thanks Ronald!
I carry the Shield during the hot weather months, but a touch of arthritis in the knuckle joint of my left thumb is starting to make slingshotting the Shield's rather stiff slide kind of painful, I think if it gets much worse, I'll take a close look at the CCP.
Hey Sootch, what watch is that? I really like it.
The watch is Reactor Watch Gryphon. I love it.. Thanks Brother
@@sootch00 thanks for the quick response, I'll have to check them out! I enjoyed the video too you're my favorite reviewer on this site for sure, have a good one brother.
Sootch keep an eye out for a new AK203 which will be coming stateside via India later this year.
Man I love your videos, but sometimes I'd like to see you drawing these weapons from your hip, shoulder, whatever, just to see how these weapons you review sit on the hip or however you carry. To often do y'all fantastic gun reviewers have lots of good shooting footage but a serious lack of how these weapons are carried. Just food for thought. Keep up the good work
anytime you get a Walter I would recommend going online and getting a steel recoil rod in the spring of the recoil rotten springs are made together in a single piece together and you can get a really nice. It's from Lakeline LLC, I only paid $35(after shipping) and it’s fucking fantastic. It takes the only negative about Walther's and turns it around into the perfect gun. My Walther PPQ-SC 9mm is fucking amazing, it cerakoted and fully geeked out. The recoil spring/guide rod is fucking great. It comes ready to rock right out of box(bag literally, but you get me)
It took about a week, maybe a week and a half to get to me. Immediately made recoil much smoother, with the plastic(original) one it bends on every recoil. So it's just safer, I've had many friends whose original rods broken or shattered on them. So always get the steel ones. Btw not all Walther guns have the plastic. I think it's only PPQ'S, CCP's, PPS's, and a couple others. That should be it, I know PPK's and the more classics guns don't have them.
@10:50 I believe that's called a "nerd check" according to Matt V.
I'm considering the CCP M2....
Can't go wrong with it. Love my original.
What watch are you wearing in this video?
Walther- I don’t like the cheap feeling slides. While at the LGS, I offered a couple different models for my wife to check out. She replied; They feel good in my hand but I don’t like the slide. Me: Why? What’s wrong with it? Wife: It doesn’t feel durable, rather cheap. Me: Well, it appears we agree upon something. Also, neither of us liked the Canik TP9SF because the barrel rattles when you shake the firearm. She went home with the Beretta M9A3 and I went home disappointed (they only had one)☹️.
I had a PPS and for some reason didn't like the way it shot. The prices of the PPS is dropping below $300, I'm wondering if Walther is coming out with something new?
I found the grip on the ccp is more comfortable for me
Is the magazine release on the pps really reversible? I have been told by numerous sales people that it is not. That's my only reason for holding off on buying one.