SNYDER Fans vs GUNN Fans: A DC Fandom Commentary
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- This is a video that I think needs to be made because if it benefits just one person, then I've done my job here. I put this out on my community page of my channel and on twitter and I want to develop the discussion further. I said “My Channel is in a real weird place right now: I make a #RebelMoon video & the comments are filled with people hating on it. I make a #DCU video & the comments are filled with people hating on it. As someone who likes or is interested in both, it really sucks to see.
This is larger than just my channel. It’s a commentary on how the DC Fandom has become so divided. The main chunk of the blame is on Warner Brothers. No matter which side you're on. It’s their fault mainly. They hired Snyder, then they got rid of him and then later down the line they hired Gunn. Everything has happened the way it happened because of them. But the fandom itself should take some responsibility because it has really has become political.
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I respect James Gunn and Zack Snyder talents and movies. People they are good friends, stop the toxicity DC need a United fandom
We will unite when Gunntards stop being bums and attacking Snyder fans for no reason. They say the Snyderverse is dead. The DCU is DOA 💀
If only people were this passionate about politics in real life.😮
I prefer we not be in WW3 to be honest
@@mikerude5073 You just caught me off guard😂 The gaming and all of fantasy/Scifi movie genre is wild honestly. You juuust might be right about that😋
I'm not interested in the DCU.. Nothing against Gunn at all, I liked GOTG.. But I would never spam DCU stuff with negativity. These people have made things personal and I can't understand how grown men can behave this way. These people are super binary. The hate and vitriol is just a microcosm of where this world is going. It's sad.
Sad truth indeed I understand it's crazy how people can be so childish instead of respectfully disagreeing
Social platforms carry their share of blame for this. Negativity breeds engagement, and the sole purpose of social platforms is to keep users as engaged as possible. Just another example of big tech ruining everything it touches.
And yes, I know I’m writing this on CZcams on an iPhone, but having to participate in something doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it.
@@orhanamin1347 #restorethesnyderverse
Tsk tsk tsk. Snyder bros Snyder bros. Can't wait a day without any negativity. Lol
@@vincentluong7550 where is Snyder mentioned?
Honestly the bitterness of snyder fans isn’t towards James Gunn it’s just to the incompletion of Zack Snyder’s Dc universe, with many seeing James Gunn as the reason why we won’t see that play out.
If WB had let Zack’s universe play out, it would have resetted itself by now due to how Zack Planned the flashpoint story and so fans would have accepted Gunn or anyone else’s DCEU.
Yk what’s funny Kevin feige copied Snyder plans with avengers 3 & 4 copying JL ll & lll and then captain America civil war copying Batman v Superman etc now that Snyder left mcu has been on a downward spiral however we have James Gunn who recieved $8B+ for his new dcu verse
Gunn just has the misfortune of being WB's scapegoat.
@@GTS-dh9wjdo you read comics?
The only similarity batman vs superman and civil war have in common is the two pillars of their universes fighting each other. I liked the part where batman and superman were best friends and now due to different morals they are fighting each other. Oh wait they weren't friends and it wasn't heart breaking watching them fight because they are complete strangers to each other
Both civil war and batman and superman fighting are so well known to most comic readers so it's not even unique. Additionally Thanos came out before Darkseid. So by your argument snyder copied marvel as Thanos was revealed before the dceu even came out
Love this take man, this is how the approach and discussion should be.
I’m a fan of Snyder’s trilogy because I like the deconstruction approach to super heroes and I’m not a fan of Gunn’s style of storytelling and his use of comedy or even his sense of humor in general but I don’t have a problem with people that do.
I personally hope his approach to Superman is a little less goofy than his other super hero films but if it isn’t and his fans get what they want out of it, I’m glad they will!
AGREED
@@orhanamin1347 You're proving OurMovieNews' point. Petty comments like yours need to change.
Thank you my friend.
No problem 👍
The fans have a big responsibility too. Especially CZcamsrs who talked highly of Snyder and then switched to Gunn and bash on Snyder like they don’t have a list of videos of them praising Snyder. I’m sure y’all know what CZcamsrs I’m talking about. People like this start a fandome that’s toxic and now we just go at with each other like WB actually cares.
(coughs) TheTruth31 (coughs)
@@trevonpernell0814 finally! Someone knows one of the content creators I’m talking about. He’s the main one
@@CaptainSalvi Even I could smell horsecrap with the INSANE amount of dissing Snyder fans I've seen from him.
John "The Clown" Campea
The Truth 31 is 💩🤢🤮
I want to be more involved with the future of dc films, but the endless bickering and toxicity has made me stay far away. Thanks for the video, this perfectly encapsulates my thoughts.
@@orhanamin1347 You dumbass, you are the reason why the video was made for
@@TheBlond49
No
The Truth 31.
@@orhanamin1347 👎🏿
This is the problem. You let other people decide for you what you’re gonna watch and what you’re not gonna watch because you’re just following hype or following negativity.
People are rarely truly upfront with what they really believe. It all gets twisted into a 1 liner comment that’s as negative as possible just to get likes.
I like Zack Snyder’s movies for what they were. They weren’t the best, but they were definitely not the worst and there was some great moments plus it was visually stunning.
I’m a superman fan first and I don’t give af about other peoples opinion about any thing I myself and interested in.
I’m excited about the new movie.
The problem is people become blow hards and try to force down your throat why you should like or dislike something.
Be interested or not interested in something because of its own merits not what other people want you to believe.
Great video, it was needed, best to air the issues. The haters will no doubt be watching either way. Keep doing what you love and enjoy. The majority of your subs enjoy the work you do, keep it up
Thanks, will do!
I absolutely agree with what you’re saying to me. The hate between the phantoms or between James Gunn and Zack Snyder is awful. I love Zacks work. I thought James Gunn guardians of the Galaxy is wonderful. I love to Scooby-Doo movies. They both are talented directors.
Im really excited for james gunn's dcu. It has so much potential in its word building and introduce characters we haven't seen in an interconnected universe in live action like Boostergold, hawkgirl, green lantern and many more.
@@orhanamin1347 this guy 😒
@@orhanamin1347your a dud
Thank God someone's not blaming Gunn for ending the Snyderverse
I totally agree with all of your points! Great video! I have to admit that I have been one the fans choosing one side and attacking the other side. It’s definitely time for all of this stop. Life is too short. Personally, I feel that WB/DC should bring back DC Fandome became that was the one event that was starting to unite the fans. It literally had something for everyone across multiple media types; comics, movies, animation, audio, and gaming. Thanks for always sharing positive content. Unfortunately there will always be people that think and act otherwise, but keep doing what you’re doing! 👍👍
AGREED
I love both Zack Snyder and James Gunn I think they will work together again in the near future.
This video needs to be shared all over social media!!
I completely agree with this, i love snyders movies, but im looking forward to the DCU, at the end of the day we ALL love DC and why cant we let that unite us rather than hate eachother cause we dont enjoy the brand the exact same way
As someone who’s trying to enjoy DC, this fandom war pisses me the hell off. Marvel never has to deal with this, and that’s why they’ll always be on top.
Zack Snyder has literally shown his support to Gunn MULTIPLE times and his fans still want to insist that there’s a fight between them. Or they have this extremely toxic mindset that Snyder’s work is so peak that there’s no point in even doing DC anymore if it’s not with him.
Gunn is literally just here to do his job. Why would he try to salvage the Snyderverse when Zack had already left to go start his own cinematic universe? But also that’s, not fair to do either? As an artist, you shouldn’t have to feel restricted to someone else’s vision when you have an idea of your own. That’s why Matt Reeves threw away Ben Affleck’s script for The Batman and did his own thing- and it came out a massive success!
Gunn was literally hired as requested to be “The Kevin Fiege of the DC universe”. Kevin Fiege didn’t become president of Marvel studios and said, “Let’s grab all the old stuff and just continue that” (granted he didn’t have access to the Fox and Sony characters but you get my point). He was hired to do a job, and he did it.
I’m not a die hard Gunn fan (or atleast I don’t think I am). I think it’s great that he has a genuine love for the DC universe and not just 3 characters- or even just 1. I like his movies. And I’m really excited for his Superman film and other projects in the DCU.
But at the same time? If it sucks? It sucks. And if Gunn does get removed from the DCU, I’ll hope he’s replaced with someone who can bring this universe to life.
The issue with DC movie fans, is that they aren’t DC fans.
They’re Zack Snyder fans.
Or they’re James Gunn fans.
Not the same.
I really can't wait for gunn's superman legacy movie to drop just to see the reaction from both sides
Haha it will be interesting to see! I'm sure everyone will be kind and respectful lol...
@@OurMovieNews it will flop hard, lois lane being the main protagonist and superman with trunks the side character? Yeah sounds right, the "REAL DC FANS" aka p@d0 gunn fans loves woke sh!t
@@OurMovieNews love the hint of sarcasm at the end
@@theray9855 you’re so wrong
@@BrutalVengeance729 no im not and youre in denial 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the great work! Don't let these delusional, immature people deter you from your work. We live in a world today where some people want to be negative, often even before a project is complete. They want attention, even if it's the wrong kind. They probably didn't get enough hugs growing up.
Perfectly said man,
As someone who doesn’t care for Snyder I can’t tell you how cringe it is to see an innocuous tweet praising BvS or Rebel Moon and see the comments full of people shitting on that person’s opinion for absolutely no reason.
I’m not going to sit here and say I’ve never been a jackass on the internet (I’m sure we all have at one point or another), but it really doesn’t do anyone any good to seethe at the idea that other people like films that you do not enjoy.
I also understand how disappointing it is to Snyder fans that his story was cut short, but calling Gunn and anyone who looks forward to his DC slate some of the most horrible names in the book (and I have been called some terrible names for supporting Gunn) does not do your “side” any favors. Release the Snydercut was a big win for him and his fans and it worked because it was a movement based in positivity and genuine fan excitement, not calling non-fans morons or for people to be fired or WB to be investigated for fraud.
Great vid man, I’m not going to hold my breath for things to get better, but more voices like yours are definitely needed.
Also, no typos! 😂
There's a petty reply already ^
It's annoying that these groups can't acknowledge that fact both Snyder and gunn have worked together before and they've been friends for a long time. Why can't we just support both sides?
Yeah on one movie that hardly counts as working together considering how many movies they’ve gone on to make respectively since then
Gunn fans can accept that. It's the Snyder ones who can't
@@jamesrippy1161 WHO FKING CARES BRUH WHY COMPARE
@@WL1264 You're literally proving everyone's point, you know.
@omaridaniels8427 No he's right.
Sucker Punch + Army of the Dead + Rebel Moon = Snyderverse.
Superman + Batman + Wonder Woman = DC universe.
@@orhanamin1347 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣. That's a very Snyder cultish dick riding I expected.
Great Video man...people just want you to suffer, pain pleases them. Sad for real
Keep making video bro I really appreciate what you do
Thank you, I will
I just want a fully comic Accurate live action DC Cinematic universe like Marvel has. And if James Gunn is to do it, I’ll let him have at it. But Snyder Fans don’t care about DC, they just want Snyder’s DC for some reason. I want a functional DCU. If some of you want to call me a Snyder hater just because I’m not supporting him, I’ll throw suicide threats. I’m not kidding. I’ve been harassed enough and I’m gonna make a statement so I can get listened to and not harassed anymore.
I will say your channel is the best channel there is for the fans who are intessrest in both synder or gunn fans, i am a fan of both men who have a love for the world them make but i think your channel is the best there is and i agee what you hafe to say ( again sorry for the spelling i am not from english taking person i am from faroe island) ❤
Thank you and your spelling is very good!
Can't understand why everyone is so binary about it. Both are great directors, and I love all of their capeshit movies. The fans just make up this parasocial beef online to winge and cry. Let me love these movies in peace. 😂
Gunn got people invested in the struggle of a talking space raccoon. I think the DCU is in good hands.
I enjoyed the DCEU and wish Snyder was able to fulfill his entire vision, but I am looking forward to the DCU and what Gunn will bring.
Let's unite as dc fans✌🏼
Remember united we stand but devided we fall.
Reminds me of toxic comic fans who like superhero’s who are full of hope and positivity. But then these toxic fans will attack writers online because they don’t the current story line.
There’s no need to be like that. If you don’t like something then don’t support it financially, that gets a point across far more then an angry comment.
Don't take the blame mate for the people that is giving you grief for supporting one director or another that's their issue, you make great vids and give us great info on D.C movies that's why we are here.
Thanks for addressing the big roaring elephant in the room.
Indeed, Individuality isn't a weakness, it's one of humanities greatest strengths.
Can't wait to hear more news, stay true man.
You're absolutely right... It's getting really absurd how ppl's passion turn into hate, from either... I'm a Snyder Fan, & i love his movies, including the ones that were frowned upon like Sucker Punch & Rebel Moon... Even though they may not be spectacular, but you can most certainly enjoy the visionary cinema at work... In the film industry, not every movie has to be a giant hit, & some even create a fan base later on with the years passing, as I'm sure it will with Rebel Moon- i totally agree that it should have been the director's cut right away or the R rated version; just looking at the snyder cut of JL or BVS ultimate ed, it makes sense, ppl should invest morally before financially into his dream & story building & world development - it's what history has shown us...
Now as for DC ... I have grown up reading the comics, & i always had a soft spot for DC bec they were somehow more gritty & grounded & yes; a little darker, bit definitely more suspenseful & thrilling than Marvel, even though i read both & liked both- just look at how Nolan handled the Dark Knight- this tells us that this formula works! It's not news... I utterly believed in what version snyder showed us in Ben Affleck's version as an older more grumpy & hopeless Batman, bec I've seen this depiction in some of the comics as well... I always was drawn more to Batman rather than Spiderman for example, in terms of humor consistency despite the major difference between them, yet i loved both of em & would totally watch both their cinematic adaptations...In any way, Snyder's Filmography would have been spectacular if they let him conclude the JL, even Man of Steel 2 as well, but it's definitely not Gunn's fault, it's WB, they just look at things in numbers, & are so focused & distracted by Marvel, that somebody needs to slap them outta that knightmare! Lol.... What worked for someone isn't a guarantee that it'll work for another, otherwise, we wouldn't have been fascinated by the difference in work between the directors throughout history ...
Speaking of Gunn, i like his work too, very much! I may have reservations but i can watch any of his stuff hands down, i think he did an amazing job with the Peacemaker series, & he almost balanced out the humor in Suicide Squad, he's also a visionary filmmaker, although everyone seems to think he'll give superman the hope & lightedness that the critics keep talking about, which kinda worries me, bec i never considered what Henry Cavil did without hope, just bec the story was serious & grounded!!
But other than that, in General, i think he'll do wonderfully in Superman Legacy or whatever name they decided... My advice, is for WB to take a gander at "Matt Reeves' The Batman" & Todd Phillips "Joker" & rethink their strategy, of why DC has it's own thing, & never really relied on the comedy... They should give Snyder the Elseworlds opportunity as well, & stop being cheap- & sell Batgirl while they're at it to another platform so ppl can enjoy the performances for themselves instead of judging for us like we're children saying it's "unwatchable"... how many times did the ppl & fans prove that they're better than just numbers or statistics or what the critics or Rotten tomatoes say, movies take off despite their snobby attitude with box office... just look at the past US elections for example, of how those in Media wanted to herd ppl like sheep -Unlike Marvel.... Hake, even Marvel is suffering from that finally looking at the Thor Love & Thunder... Amazing performances but too much washed down by the lack of what the first Thor had...
Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy was truly a marvel for Marvel, lol, i think Snyder fans should give him a chance & like me, see the balance in life & just love Cinema for the sake of Cinema...
I have one of my dearest friends who is a comic die hard & doesn't even like any of the films whether Marvel or DC, lol, for the lack of sincere adaptation of the OG comics😃, we still laugh & I loveee hearing about the mythology stories from him...
So us DC fans, for all, let's stick together & share our thoughts in a constructive fun manner ppl,
Afterall, it's a form of art & no 2 ppl ever perceive it the same 🙂
It's mainly Snyder fans. Yeah theres toxic Gunn fans but 9 times out of 10 when theres drama or discourse you can bet good money that a Snyder fan started it. They just can't let go. It's not an even split of toxicity. Just one side that can't let go and another that occasionally go too far defending something from those who can't let go.
Even though I'm an MCU fan, Snyder made me love DC movies, i even like his version of the Justice league more than Endgame. Gunn gave us GTOG in the MCU so i like both of their work and can't wait for Superman Legacy, i just don't get the nonsense, glad you're making mature discussion about it.
Some people like the controversy because it gives them views on CZcams...
@@orhanamin1347😂😂😂😂, you sound like a petulant child....go outside and touch some grass.... crazy idiots like you are the reason Zack Snyder gets a bad rap...😂😂
This is partially why I decided to not only distance myself from the DC fandom, but from most fandoms in general. It's becoming very increasingly difficult to either like or dislike something without being crucified for liking/disliking said something in the movies, shows, etc. People are taking these franchises too damn seriously, and while I understand there's a deep passion for said franchise, there comes a point in time when you have to stop and really look at what's happening and try to examine the situation in a more patient and understanding way possible. It's hard to get excited or enjoy movies that is either loved or hated by everyone, when you have some people in the fandom that try to ruin your enjoyment of something by spoiling your fun, mocking and belittling how you feel about said movie, and just being entitled jerks about it. It's this reason (along with a few others) is why I decided to part ways from fandoms, cause it's become too tribalistic and opinionated for me to participate and care. I still love franchises like DC, but I'd rather try to enjoy things at my own pace, without being pressured by the fandoms themselves.
Bro, I respect your take on this, and I agree with you, of course, to an extent. Snyders DC work was really good, and I was looking forward to his finished story. Plus, we got one of the best Batman's on screen. James Gunn has some bangers, but im older now, and that child humor is not for me. With Snyder, we were getting Alex Ross type shots in DC. But with Gunn we are getting Scottie Young type shots for DC. What I'm saying is that the darker take made more sense for these characters. But we will see what Gunn brings. Thanks again for your video
@@orhanamin1347 screw you
This is spot on, tbh it’s gotten extremely embarrassing and exhausting
Yeah It’s pretty annoying. Y’all need to respect both. I don’t like James Gunn’s slate of dc but I still respect him.
I don't like nor respect Gunn for my own reasons but what I do respect is people's ability to make their own decisions. I understand that the DCU won't be for someone like me and that's fine.
I've seen people call this the worst fanbase or the most toxic when I've seen far worse. I can confidently say this fanbase has never killed anyone.
@@orhanamin1347 I think you should care. Both sides are toxic
@@TheFunnyGuy9000 That's just comics in general. On the side of Marvel, you have Miles Morales fanboys, theorists, far woke extremists, disney shills who will defend phase 4 because "Muh Nostalgia" and on the DC side - you have Snyderverse fans who, really miss a lot of the points and some come off as edgelord teens who can't listen to reason (And this is coming from someone who LOVES a lot of what Zack Snyder has made.) - Then you have James Gunn who has openly expressed he had no interest in characters like Batman and Superman - who was given the reins when, really it makes no sense - Gunn has zero experience with cinematic universe building (You can argue for Guardians of the Galaxy, but to be frank - I only liked 2 and elements of 3 and 1 and those were mostly standalone.) Not to mention WB had Matt Fucking Reeves who was more than capable of handling a universe considering he helmed the Planet of the Apes movies. To make things worse, Gunn is extremely immature when it comes to handling media, jokes, and tone. It works with the Suicide Squad, and dark comedies, but what people expect from DC is dark and edgy now. Which isn't a bad thing, I mean I love Adam West and the campy stories of the 70's and 60's, but Gunn would probably do some sick twist on it knowing him. To make things worse, he's already gone through a lot of controversy with his whole "Little Boy Touching" jokes.
To add salt to the wound, you have Frank Miller worshippers who, are arguing over a pretty mid book to be honest, and complaining that Batman kills when he's always killed in movies and in the comic book (Yes, even Batman killed in the Nolan movies) - Hell, Snyder's version is LESS insane than the takes Frank Miller has - Need I remind people about All Star Batman and Robin? You know, the comic where Batman abuses a kid? And TDKR2? Frank Miller is good for stuff like 300 and Sin City, but for the love of god keep people like him away from Superheroes, and that goes for Ennis too.
TLDR: The state of the comic book community, DC, Marvel, MCU, DCEU and upcoming DCU is that of a dumpsterfire that keeps lighting itself on fire while WB continually hits itself in the nuts because of the utter incompetency of the higher ups and Marvel whipping itself because of white guilt while it cucks itself out of good stories and adaptations with representation and messaging that overshadow everything past Phase 3. I just said fuck it, and decided to just go back and close myself off from the fandom and keep my classic series to myself. Superhero movies aren't made like they used to anymore, and the same goes for comics. I want Spiderman - give me a close and intimate story, not some world ending threat. Give me a pulpy action movie with Goth overtones like Batman Returns, or the badass EDM and techno vibe of Blade. The closest I've gotten was Matt Reeves The Batman and the Snyderverse, but with that gone - I'll respectfully go back into my cave until the shitshow dies down and the comic book community gets it's shit together. I'd recommend everyone with a brain to do the same. Vote with your wallet.
@@orhanamin1347 Dude, calm down it's just a movie. Admittedly ZSJL is peak, but neither side has like - killed anyone. That goes to the Creepypasta fandom.
I'll never respect a hack director like Snyder.
I think a lot of it at least on CZcams has to do with their algorithm. I haven’t seen one of your videos in a while. Then you upload a video about Synder and Gunn a topic bound to cause in fighting and video interactions, all the sudden you are at top of my suggestions.
As an outsider to the Dc fan base here is my opinion. They should both just be happy that they are getting their favourite dc superheros as a live action movie which is rare. Just be grateful for what’s happening
@@orhanamin1347 personally Idc about either director
These days fans are the online fans whether they are gunn fana Or Snyder fans they come to comment and argue just after watching one to movies and series
So what I mean is ignore them and just focus on what you feel or think
You're doing great keep it up love your videos
Thank you!
Here's a question: if someone doesn't like one side or the other, how would they even find said content to comment on? If you're not a fan of Snyder or Gunn and find a tweet or video that's either about or bashing them, then that means they had to actively commit time to doing that, which just feels like a waste of time, as if they're fishing for a reaction.
Very excellent video knowledge reigns over ignorance. Like I told you via twitter, the fandom is where the toxic is at. The real blames is the studio not the directors, actors, writers etc.
Unfortunately we cannot make everybody happy. When you talk about the DCEU, you’re at risk of toxic fans leaving hate comments. When you talk about the DCU, you’re still at risk of toxic fans leaving hate comments. It’s nothing you have done, it’s just that people are toxic. It’s not about having a different opinion, it’s that both fan based have very petty and toxic bullies that are way too deep into these movies and they fail to understand that these are just movies.
@@orhanamin1347 you only evidence for that is your, along with many others, inability to move on. Most people are excited for the new universe, including me. Do I like the snyderverse and do I wish for it to continue and do I think WB is a greedy corporation? Yes! But I’m not going to become one of those Snyder Trolls because I am ready for the new universe. Zack Snyder, whether you like it or not, is supportive of James Gunn. You don’t have to support them, but stop being a troll
@@orhanamin1347 once again, still toxic and petty, and you have no evidence for it becoming a disaster
@@orhanamin1347 You can put those hashtags as much as you want, it’s not going to bring a dead universe back, snyder-troll. And this is actually coming from someone who is a fan of those movies.
@@seanalen s h ut up man
I just don't comment on videos about topics I don't like anymore. I'm not excited about the DCU, so I don't watch or comment on those videos. I love Snyder, so I'll watch and comment on those videos.
I like DC and Marvel, I just like DC a lil better. I like Star Trek and Star Wars, I just like Trek a lil better. I'm sick of people acting like you can only choose one. Same applies to Snyder and Gunn.
Just let people like what they like. You don't need to sh*t all over their interests. This isn't high school.
@@orhanamin1347 lol well like I said, I love Snyder and I'm not optimistic about the DCU. But I just choose not to bombard DCU video comment sections with unnecessary negativity.
Thanks for doing this. You Tubers like Aaron Fischer foment this division. If you disagree with his position or if you make a negative comment about Snyder or a positive comment about Gunn, his minions attack you and he blocks you. It’s insane. I appreciate your integrity.
Sorry pal, I disagree that James Gunn fans are way worse than the Snyder fans the James Gunn fans attack Ray Porter we are tired of WBD and James guns poor decisions
@@jamesakrap3824and if I remember correctly Snyder fans also harassedWB workers for years, tried to review bomb other people’s movies (to the point one of the directors had to call Snyder and ask him to calm them down), made up lies about other people (even Aaron pushed a lie about one of the Superman actors and that lead to her getting harassed) and continue to call James Gunn a pedophile based on his crappy tweets from ten years ago (while also ignoring controversial things Snyder has said and done recently).
@@lazuruswolf6668 first off there are some bad fans but not all the fans are bad secondly where’s the video that Aaron Fisher lied and the reason why calls him a paedophile was because of things James said years ago and say what you want about Snyder at least he doesn’t say anything disgusting
Has Aaron banned you yet? He banned me for calling him out for clickbait
@@Lankystorm28415 no and what does this have to do? Like he does do click bait titles at least when you watch the videos he’s honest I like I said not Snyder fans a good people but not all gun fans are good people either because like I said they bullied Ray Porter
This sums up society in general well done sir 👌🏽
I like the new route they are taking it now. Listen, im a big fan of Snyder, but the way his cult is portraying him is just ridiculous and embarrassed. im not a Gunn fan. Im a DC fan, and all we want is good DC movies and box office records. Look at Marvel on how they've done it. That's why im down with Gunn to change things up for a change. Snyder tried his best, and he failed miserably with the box office and storytelling the ship is already sinking, and whatever Snyder tries to revive from DCEU is just not working anymore.
I don’t get it. As a big movie lover, my least concern is the director. The movie is what I care about the most. I certainly can appreciate and acknowledge the director and his excellent work on a specific movie, but just because I love his work on one or multiple movies, I don’t have to like everything he does or even defend him against criticism.
I'm a fan of movies. Why can't people just enjoy movies and not hate? I'm a fan of Snyder's movies and I'm a fan of Gunn's movies.
Thank you Will, have a great day.
You too!
@@OurMovieNews By the way, I'm not the movie star. I'm one of the other 11 guys with the same name. My middle name is different. Sorry if you thought I was him.
I love your content no matter what
Well said!!! It's a movie! Whatever movie it is whether it be amazing or horrible an opinion and we should respect each others whether we like it or not. I loved Henry and hated what happened to him with DC. But ultimately I'm a superman fan and whoever puts that suit on I Will watch and give a fair chance. If David gives it 100% just like Henry did then all superman fans will love him. Excited to see what happens either way as my favourite heros story is still being told! #ourmovienews keep up the great work 👍🏼
Now this is an impartial video. The DC community, or cbms community, desperately needs to get over the toxicity, but it's unlikely to happen because fanatics, from any side, are immature people and will never gain consciousness of their attitude.
That said, the problem with the toxic segment of snyder's fandom began way before Gunn entered the discussion. And it's a shame because I have friends who like his movies and this situation gives them a bad reputation.
i never want movies to fail i hope every dc movie makes a lot of money and gets wbd out of dept and getting them on top again
Not the takeaway, and I’m sorry, but as a football fan, what’s the team you support?
As I said to you unbiased. You nailed. 👍🏽
Thank you
Brother sometimes you just have to stand for what is right and James Gunn didn't stand for Zack or us fans and on top of that he has way to many weird child pedophile accusations which we should detest so wake up man I love DC to but I protect our kids and minds first
There’s something wrong with you
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@@orhanamin1347 at this point you should be embarrassed to post these hashtags
It is needed tbh, people need to chill.
The fandom would probably be just as split with Snyder in charge.
I have a better idea why not have both dc universes with both zack synder and James gunn do their own dc movies and TV shows and see witch ones the fans reacted the most
@@orhanamin1347 well then good luck trying to get the Snyderverse or the dceu restored
Gunns fans Snyder fans if we work together as they have we win collectively
Well said… I am a fan of Zack Synder and I am a fan James Gunn I can’t wait to see the new Superman story. I can’t wait to see what Zack does with Rebel Moon
I think its funny that these two Directors are both in my top 5.
im pretty sure the same Snyder trolls are the same as the Gunn trolls just under different accounts. The hate for both creators is weirdly just as strong towards both sides.
Not trying to start drama, but some other CZcamsrs are to blame for aiding the toxic. By spreading wrong and information or talking horribly about both directors. That why so gald I discovered this channel. It such a breath of fresh air.
Thank you!
I agree with your sentiment on extremism. The future of the country is clearly more important. The sad truth is that literally EVERYTHING has become political.
I hate that. I just want to enjoy my favorite comic book characters. But when it intervenes in our escape from the world and politics, folks get mad.
I'm not talking about simple diversity inclusion in making a black Superman or something like that. There's legitimate hate out there directed at specific people and their works.
Now, I'm not going to pretend that I like James Gunn, but I would never wish death or any degree of threats against a given person.
There's hate so intense that it's not contained to just one's work or vision but to the individual. That's wrong.
I think it's fine to have healthy debates on the merits of one's work in a civilized matter. But to make things personal as though you were talking about the border crisis is another level. -OG
What's your team and what's your best friend team? Are you guys Manchester United and Liverpool?
《it's like some fans don't actually take in the lessons these films are trying to teach us》
~Will, you're Videos are Always Excellent!!!~
...Well Thought-Out...
...Well Spoken...
...Well Put-Together...
...it must get pretty Exhausting to put all that Effort into a Brand NEW Video just for Everybody to leave the Same OLD Comments!!!
...(that would make me feel like people just aren't listening to what i have to say, & if they're not going to listen, then why bother talking at all???)
...i can hear the Discouragement in your Voice, but try to keep in Mind that alot of people don't share your Eloquence...
...(sometimes when fans get Angry, we just "Hulk Out!!!")...
...your Optimism, Open-mindedness & Objectivity are what make your Channel Special...
...i love DC (& STAR WARS too)...
...& it does get pretty frustrating when Hollywood isn't making Movies i want to see...
...it's really weird that watching CZcams Reviews has become more Entertaining than the Entertainment that's being Reviewed?!?
...honestly, there aren't many New Movies i'm looking forward to these days, but i always look forward to the Next Episode of "OUR MOVIE NEWS!!!"
~Thank You for your Honest Opinions~
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Thank you very much!
Yeah of course all of this is because of Warner, but we can't just ignore the WalterHamada season on DC.
There wasn't a direct jump from Snyder to Gunn's DCU. Not every DCEU project belong to the Snyderverse. Films after the first Aquaman has NOTHING to do with what Snyder set up for his arc universe, they were openly and massively disliked and poorly supported (if not boicotted) by Snyderverse's fanbase, but the same people who once supported those projects (just because were openly trying to get rid of what Snyder started) now happily say all of them belong to Snyderverse and this is not only wrong but completely lack of integrity.
These people have spend years calling "cult" to the Snyder fan base, and that was easy when they couldn't identify with WalterHamada and his work, but as soon as Gunn arrived they started to behave exactly the same way they pointed at us with hate. These people aren't even Gunn fans, there's nothing in DC that worths to become a Gunn fan, they just hate ZackSnyder but were eagger to have their own, and now that Gunn openly feed their side, wich Snyder has never done, you can't expect this won't turn into a politica-ish war. These people asked us to move on from Snyder's DC. Zack builded a completely differente non-DC universe for us his fans, they had the oportunity to let us alone enjoying RebelMoon and start to move on from DC, but they instead came to us and destroyed it to the ground. You can't expect we don't answer back as soon as we can. So yeah, you can blame me to act exactly like they act. They asked for it.
The Truth 31 is Toxic.
James Gunn need a opportunity, Zack Snyder is happy in Netflix with his new franchise. Comparisons not good if you not interested in new Superman movie simple not pay for the movie.
Talk trash for Snyder or Gunn affecting DC movies, I like the Snyder Man of Steel and Superman v Batman but I will support James Gunn in his new DCU
@@orhanamin1347
No problem
Some people not agree with the decision
as James Gunn in front of DC
I'm all in to whom can deliver me a more comic accurate justice league on screen. Lex Luthor portrayal before was a let down and also the red ranger flash's costume
All I really wanted was the story to finish one way or another. I am joyed Superman returns. I’m sure I’ll get bash for that but it went nowhere. Just like everything it seems like WB puts together it never finish.
I enjoyed James Gunn’s work. I just wanted to see some finished out.
You and Chris are completely right about how everybody goes about this.
I agree 100%
Not like I'm taking side or anything but I joined this group on FB called the Snyder fans. I was hoping it was a group that'll appreciate Snyder's work but instead it's just a group that bashes Gunns work over and over again. It's very upsetting 😢
amen brother!!
Very well said man. I happen to like both Snyder and Gunn although I will say I'm a bigger fan of Snyder's work overall (side note: As a Snyder fan, I thought Rebel Moon pt. 1 was terrible and haven't watched pt. 2). Still first and foremost, my loyalty is to the characters and brand over a particular director. I grew up on the comics and was a DC fan long before I knew Snyder and Gunn existed and will continue to be one and I want success for the DCU and quality projects from them no matter who's in charge or who's directing what. If a sports team you like gets rid of a coach or player that you liked and trades for another, you don't stop being a fan of that team whether or not you question the decision.
@@orhanamin1347 🙄
I think this should be settled in a tag team match. Book it Vince.
Who’s Vince?
???
At this point, is there any person on the world that likes how WB is managing DC?
I'm totally agree with you OMN, fandom needs to change their mindset indeed. But there's no comparisson about critics and hating because in my opinion Snyder fans are really in disadvantage right now because they're dealing against Snyder haters and Gunn fans so that's why you're kinda confused who you reading to on this comment section.
Snyder fans vs Gunn fans...
More like: BOTS vs HUMANS
Boooooooooooo !
Gunn fan detected
Humans are so SENsitive.💣💥☠️
They really think they’re “Gunn fans” brother it’s the general audience just look at these rebel moon reviews especially from moist critical videos just look at the comments. Those aren’t “Gunn fans “ people just don’t like rebel moon
exactly . remember that youtube video where Gunn announced the slate of flicks that would be part of his DCU ? the video literally had more thumbs up than views .
Yeah, sorry but Snyder is the modern Ed Wood.
I mean I loved the Snyder Cut and BvS. But... his last 3 movies on Netflix are BAD movies. It is like he is purposely becoming more Campy. And Gunn already promoted a bad DC movie. He spoke about Flash like it was gonna be amazing. But it was Horrible. But His actual work is Amazing. That last GOTG was freaking incredible.
Great video. I loved Snyder’s DC. I don’t like comics otherwise. I don’t DISLIKE them though either. Gunn seems to be going more “comic booky “ so it’s probably not for me but who knows.
But after all efforts to get the Snyder cut to happen it’s a bit of a bummer to be called a hater now fr not liking what Zack is doing now.
You like trash Luthor, you have no say here.
Then go away
@@TheBlond49 explain?
What you’re trying to do here is very admirable and I hope at least a few will change their ways as a result but honestly, I don’t have much faith in much change out there when it comes to this sort of thing. Things have just gotten crazy!! It’s like you said this is entertainment. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it. What’s the big deal? Why does it have to violent? Honestly, it has become violent. I mean, people giving death threats to others just because they like something else? That’s absolutely ludicrous. I do love Snyder’s work and will continue to but I was disappointed with the Rebel moon movies. I listened to an awesome video on the looper channel and they gave an amazing breakdown of the Rebel moon universe. Unfortunately we didn’t get a chance to see this portrayed. But in the end it’s just a couple of movies and he’ll make more and most will be fantastic. I’ve accepted the Gunn universe and I’m hopeful it’ll be incredible. I’m sure he’ll put out a not so good movie one day and possibly a real stinker . There’s no reason to be hateful about it.
I love both director's. Really dreaming we get a Justice League 2 some day
That won’t happen man because Jason momoa told entertainment tonight that aquaman 2 the lost kingdom was finale DCEU movie aka the end of the Snyderverse , he’s done as aquaman and he wants to portray an alien bounty hunter lobo meaning ZSJL parts 2 and 3 will never see the light of day
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Bla Bla Bla.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse in
Animated Movies in Elseworld.
What is your Problem ?.
@@BrutalVengeance729 money talks though
Then you have the hashtag people, who think posting hashtags will get them what they want. Okay, though experiment time. Lets say me and a bunch of people started DEMANDING they release a cut of Goodfellas, where instead of getting wacked, Tommy gets a slapped with a turd. We start spamming #releasetheturdcut everywhere. Are we entitled to "The Turd Cut", just because we're making a bunch of noise?
Here is how I solved the problem. I left Twitter. I don't engage publicly in discussions around DC. I do not watch DC movies any longer. I have no interest and the franchise will no longer take any more of my time, energy, or passion. I will no longer be disappointed, angered or saddened by the franchise any longer. They have lost me forever, regardless of whether they make a movie that may have a good aspect to it. I do have criteria for what I would need to see to become interested again but a lot of the reasons Disney and Warner Brothers are doing what they are doing are due to cultural and economic reasons. Most of these movies whose sole purpose is to extract the most out of people and get the least amount of people to dislike or be offended by their movies while also meeting certain cultural and social quotas. This is going to create the environment that we have now.
I am a Snyder fan. I despise Warner Brothers/DCU for what they have done to him and how and what they have replaced him with. The narrative that I see developing is one where Warner Brothers has done everything in their power to appeal to the kind of person who hates Snyder AND who likes Disney/MCU. Everything that I watched Snyder and Pre-Snyder DC movies to avoid, I have seen Warner Brothers lean into. They doubled down even when they were unsuccessful. Let's say Snyder's films were just as unsuccessful as these new ones, they could have doubled down on Snyder, but they chose not to for reasons that we may never know. Having all that said, there are a lot of people like me who have podcasts, and CZcams channels, or they have large followings on social media, and they are incentivized, or they benefit in some way for having the "right" takes on this conflict. Many Snyder fans such as I were told to "move on" and their naturally contrary nature causes them to want to double down to spite the people who in spite told them to move on. My opinions on these movies have not changed. Saying I hate what Disney has become would be an understatement and I am equally as disgusted by how the DC franchise has turned out.
This is what I would say to my fellow Snyder fans who genuinely are frustrated by the state of the movies and the discourse online. There is no actual way to vote with our wallets because we can't really make statements about the specifics of what we want. The system does not have that function built in. I personally don't believe social media works either. Companies only respond to certain kinds of feedback, they only want to appeal to a certain kind of audience, real or perceived. Some tell you to move on because they know it gets to you, but the truth is that if all Snyder fans really did leave all of this behind then most of the powerful anti-Snyder narratives wouldn’t have any fuel to burn. They would have to live with the abysmal situation that we have now. They would have to face reality with no safety net. At this point, the only benefit to a Snyder hater in these new movies is that it isn't Snyder and if they have no one to go back and forth with online then the content that has come out will do our work for us.
Another fact is that there are a lot of Snyder fans who are very spiteful, and I get it. The amount of disrespect that Snyder, his films, and his fans unjustly received in the beginning was insane. For a lot of fans, making digs and owning people who are haters, real or perceived, is therapy and/or just a fun pastime for them, whichever they might claim. In the end, I think this new DCU ought to be burned down but nothing I say or do will make that happen quicker. It's already happening as fast as possible.
🚨 First, Gunn said the is a in camera photo.
🚨 Second, This suits takes from various suits in the comics. (Definitely the New 52, Superman All Seasons).
🚨 Let wait to see how the Suit looks after post in action.
♦️ I don’t love it; I do like it (Different Take).
You have to keep one thing in mind as well
When you compare this to politics
There are people who don’t even know how our system operates
There are people who think Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler
I used to joke around with them and say if that were even halfway true, you would already be gone
The majority of these people don’t know what the hell they’re talking about
It’s unfortunate
At the end of the day, at least someone over at WB
More than likely, Deluca
Helped us at least realize the Snyder cut
We’ll see what happens next
2:38 No joke, i came across someone who wished for people to burn in hellfire just because they didn't like Man of Steel.
I have no words.
I am a fan of Snyder’s era on the DCEU, because I liked 300 & Watchmen and can say that the SnyderVerse trilogy is amongst my favorites in the world of CBMs. It’s a shame that the studio decided not to make the SnyderCut’s sequels before doing anything new, but it can’t be helped, I suppose.
I like Dawn of the Dead, as a zombie fan, although it’s a curious thing that audiences can’t be fans of both directors. That said, if we could watch both Rebel Moon and the Vol movies, being open mined fans, as well as the SnyderVerse trilogy, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, then I’d say it’s ok not to act as if we were at a kind of conflict, lol.
You have a good channel and you have a positive message
This is Warner Brothers fault
They thought they would make more money by getting rid of Snyder because they were so upset that Batman versus Superman didn’t make $1 billion
They seem to forgotten the Batman begins, didn’t come anywhere near close to that
Look at all the money they have on the last four or five films
All anybody really wants or would be satisfied with at least one last Snyder movie to finish the story of Darkside and lead into crisis
Then you could recast and no one would have a problem with it
But the arrogance of the studio to dig in and refused to admit that they made a mistake
There can be no learning when people refuse to admit they did anything wrong
They are paying the price
But at the end of the day, the executives don’t care because they keep getting their ridiculous salaries anyway
There really is no solution to this
Unless someone who actually gives a damn over, the this is going to be resolved in a good way
I don’t think James is a good choice to do this
He is much too hands-on and too much of a narcissist to hand off the rains to other people
Why is he so involved in every single aspect of a couple of movies when he supposed to be running an entire studio?
But I have noticed on the Internet that people with a positive message go a lot further than people that are constantly negative so keep up the good work 👍🏻
We’re in an age of keyboard warriors. People will never agree on 99.9% of things. The haters gonna hate. Nothing we can do about it. But each time they comment on your page you’re monetizing. I like most of ZS’s movies. I can’t say the same thing about Gunn. GOTG V1 was okay, but it didn’t wow me. 300 was amazing when I saw it the first time. Dawn of the dead was 50/50. I like zombies but the whole movie was at the mall.
As a snyder fan I'm excited for the Superman movie
@@orhanamin1347 why not both
Another good video with the right information. Well done, Will. And I’m also sorry about all the hatred that’s been happening towards you. And that movies and the director’s visions are being used for heated political topics. Movies should be and always be about entertainment not politics!
Wrong info, this guy only praised Snyder shit and crapped on Gunn before.
Cinema in general and especially the super hero genre has been hijacked by political activists with woke agendas. So, it has become political whether you like it or not. Regarding Gunn vs Snyder, Snyder only made 1 good super hero movie, MoS, so that isn't reason enough to be the rudder of the DCU. Snyder had terrible casting like the worst Lex Luther and he's the reason we got the "Martha" fiasco. I had high hopes for the DCU after MoS but he dropped the ball with BvS and it never recovered since.
You’re shoving your opinion into this and stating it as a fact. You’re a part of the problem.
You mean you had high hopes for the old DCEU after man of steel
@@BrutalVengeance729 yep
Why Snyder fanboys think he owns dc ????
He's done....move on.
you need to do better than that. we refuse to support WB and toilet man , James Gunn . so deal with it !
@@HD_Hates you’re lying you mindless troll
We just want the story arc to finish, while Gunn actually Owns DC now lol
@@orhanamin1347JL2 and JL3 are DOA. The Batfleck movie is DOA.The Snyderverse is 😵
Look who's talking, A snyder bot