The Downfall of The DCEU | A DC Documentary
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- The DC Extended Universe. What was once seen as a potential rival to the massively successful Marvel Cinematic Universe, is now being abandoned after 16 movies and 1 show spanning a 10 year life time. Movies in general, have to earn 2 and a half times their budget to break even. The DCEU’s box office has been erratic to say the least, so throughout this documentary you will see some movies easily earn a profit and others failing to break even. This documentary highlights the 8 key moments of the DCEU. So join me today on this journey as we explore the downfall of the DCEU.
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SDCC 2013 BvS Announcement Video: • Batman v Superman SDCC...
DCEU box office: www.the-numbers.com/movies/fr...
Chris Terrio on BvS: screenrant.com/batman-v-super...
Wonder Woman 1 Reshoots: theplaylist.net/patty-jenkins...
Justice League reshoots cost: www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick...
WB Execs Wanting Snyder FIRED: batman-news.com/2017/11/29/ju...
WB CEO Stepping down: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...
Aquaman Reshoots: www.cinemablend.com/news/2404...
Snyder Cut fundraiser: www.gofundme.com/f/releasethe...
JL Cast tweets: www.latimes.com/entertainment...
Full Snyder Cut timeline: www.latimes.com/entertainment...
Fisher reacts to Hamada leaving: gamerant.com/ray-fisher-walte...
Snyder Cut 4th Most streamed movie: variety.com/2022/ awards/awards/zack-snyder-justice-league-oscars-fan-favorite-1235193141/
Ann Sarnoff calls SnyderVerse a trilogy: variety.com/2021/film/news/za...
HBOMAX Subs 2019 - 2022: www.statista.com/statistics/5...
Migu Video Snyder Cut 250M views: www.small-screen.co.uk/snyder...
WBD sued for HBOMAX numbers: www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-d...
Business Insider: www.businessinsider.com/hbo-m...
Chris McQuarrie interview: comicbook.com/dc/news/mission...
Abdy & De Luca like Cavill: www.cbr.com/man-of-steel-2-in....
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The Flash 3 Endings: movieweb.com/the-flash-breaki....
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It doesn’t matter if you’re a Gunn or Snyder fan I think we can all agree that WB sucks and they fucked up. They fumbled the bag hard.
Exactly. You're right with that remark.
One of WB's worst loss was Chris Nolan leaving the studio... What a joke.
It's like they wanted to fail . . .
Really sad what happened to him. I wonder how the DCEU would be if he got to finish his entire vision
If they really wanted to copy Marvel, they should have gone all out and put someone at the helm who cared about the stories rather than just making money.
I genuinely feel so bad for Henry Cavill. The guy seems like a genuine, wholesome person who is passionate about his roles and gives everything he has into them. Yet shady studio executives keep screwing him over because they don’t know what they’re doing. First Superman, then Geralt from the Witcher. Two roles Henry absolutely loved and had to leave behind because of corporate scum
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe Henry is the problem? Not saying he is but when multiple studios have problems with you then…?
This happens all the time to ordinary people every day
@@lamasizzy0599
No, because DC was proven to be a Warner Bros executive wanting Cavill out to replace him with Supergirl as shown in this video. Henry left The Witcher because they were butchering the source material and refused to listen to him. So he was treated unfairly and fired by one studio, and willingly left the other. This was not because he’s “toxic”. Most actors who’ve worked with him says he’s nothing but a great man who’s passionate about his work
@@lamasizzy0599 its cuz he wants to make content that's accurate to the source material unlike the executives who want to ruin everything
@@shadowofdread7018 The Witcher has been a big hit for Netflix. It’s a smart idea to not replicate the source material exactly. See: Marvel, Mario movie, Uncharted, etc etc.
The rock hyping up Superman vs Black Adam is still the funniest thing that happened in this universe
He was really hyping up a post credit scene before the movie even came out and since the movie was failing WB started putting the scene in tv spots💀
Why is it funny that would’ve been dope.
@@robinnadjiZIt was funny because of how big of a deal they thought black Adam was going to be.
Black Adam is a Shazam villain, and the rock thought he was too good for Shazam, so they tried to put him on equal level to Superman.
The Rock politicking the DCEU like Hulk Hogan did to WWE was insane.
@@phabiorules not sure about that. the Rock wanted to be in the DCEU since MoS came out. that was a 10year gap, or so. his movie was ok. very cheesy in some areas though. the post credits scene was the one he was hyped about. and WB kicked Henry Cavill out after that. bunch of losers.
let's be honest here: Dwayne Johnson is a good action movie actor. and super hero genre promises lots of action. so he was perfect for the role. especially a not-so-evil Black Adam. more of an Anti-hero. but the script kinda sucked. not sure how much at fault he is in all that.
As a huge fan of these characters and DC content outside the DCEU, this is a heart breaking story. So much potential ruined by greed and poor planning.
Fr dc studios looking good new dc I mean right now
Heart-breaking indeed
The Wonder Woman ending always puzzled me.
It was such a breath of fresh air when Diana defeated the guy she thought was Ares and expected all the the bad guys to stop, but they didn't, and Steve telling her that sometimes bad people are just bad. It's like the studio went "Nah, screw the theme of the movie. People want a big, ugly cgi monster that contradicts the lesson the hero just learned. Brilliant!"
The original climax according to patty jenkins is she never fought ares. After the General luddendorf died, Steve go to stop the airplane and he died and thats it. The ending is more confusing because how come she suddenly want to help others when Steve is the one connection him to this world..... Its also contradict snyderverse where she supposed to not appeared until BvS event happened
@@boboboy8189 I don't see the contradiction.
That's exactly right. Steve literally says that sometimes people just suck and this isn't a god's fault, it's our fault. Then Aries dies and all the soldiers start hugging and I was like........ WTF IS THE MESSAGE OF THIS MOVIE?
Also the ending makes no sense in a few contexts of the overall direction of the Snyderverse. She doesn't walk away from mankind AT ALL! So WTF is with her behavior in Metropolis when Doomsday arrives? And not to mention where was this bitch during WW2 and all the other wars if she loves mankind in the end and empowered by love; jumping to action in London at the sound of sirens?
@@lifeoftoast1864 Yeah. I could understand her walking away from humanity, as we were told in JL, if they kept the original ending. It makes sense why she would shut herself off after Steve dies. But no, it was all the evil God and everyone was actually good the whole time. So stupid.
@@Nutbag517WB bro .what do u expect 😂
Well done! As a DC fan, it’s been infuriating to watch WB self-sabotage these films over and over again
DC sabotaged Dawn of justice justice league and the first suicide squad
@@jeevar4281
By hiring Zack Snyder in the first place.
@@freman007 he did screw up Batman and superman
And not just their films, but their media, in general. I still feel fucked over, after the whole multiversus situation
I really do wish people would stop acting like Snyder had nothing to do with this. He still made every movie before Justice League. And even his own version of Justice League sucked; it was just longer and filled with unnecessary garbage like women singing on the beach to Aquaman. And he also made Rebel Moon completely on his own too and that show fails at basic storytelling. Zack Snyder SUCKS and people need to snap out of their denial and fanboyism towards the guy.
The DCEU failed because it came from a place of desperation rather than inspiration. Marvel studios earned its cinematic universe because it took years to build it up piece by piece with standalone films introducing the major characters before bringing them together in the first big crossover (The Avengers). DC/WB didn't have the patience to carry that out, and were more interested in catching up to their competitor as quickly as possible. To quote a comment I once read, "going from Man of Steel to Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice is like going from Iron Man 1 directly into Captain America: Civil War." The final result was a cinematic universe that didn't feel as fleshed out or coherent as its competitor, especially with reactionary moves like trying to abandon Snyder's darker and more brooding tone in favor of emulating Marvel's lightheartedness. The biggest lesson to be learned in this is to walk before you can run.
The one I feel pity for the most is Henry. I absolutely loved him as superman like he was to superman what Robert Downey junior was to Iron man. You couldnt picture anyone else playing those roles than them.
Although I'm not a fan of the movies he ended up in, I gotta say that his portrayal of Superman was great. He was an excellent choice for the role. Anyways, I'm happy to see his future endeavors like the Warhammer movie and Highlander. He'll likely excel in those as well.
Quoting from the Green Goblin in NWH: “Strong enough to have it all. Too weak to take it.” This summarizes WB, they had something great at their grasp but didn’t know how to manage it. Great work with the documentary 🎉
Yeah right
Also Snyder fandom toxicity and his dark vision
DC is not darker
And marvel is not light
Both have dark and light 😊
or they meant to ruin it
@@SlickyGamer Well yeah but it has also light themed
Tomorrowverse for example
There were several DCEU shows, not one. Swamp Thing, Power Girl and Peacemaker
@@abps9947tomorrowverse is childish
it still hurts henry was let go in such a bad way. unforgivable. well put together video btw bro. really good
F**k WB
Dude got fucked over on Superman AND The Witcher. jesus!
@@jamiestewart48it’s interesting. My theory based on how Henry portrays himself and what we see of his down to Earth personality .. is that he doesn’t “play ball” W shitty but influential Hollywood execs, writers, etc and that has costed him. I think he doesn’t stand for bullshit but these execs have, in consequence, gotten him back by sabotaging him
He still made 500k for 2 cameos, one of which wasn’t even released
It continues to be baffling and galling how he was treated _twice._ He handled everything with grace and good will and has only risen in my estimation. I have never cared for DC products/films, don't care about Batman or Superman or WW, etc, but Cavill made me a fan of _*his*._ His integrity as a person is what will bring me along to watch his movies and TV shows.
No matter how big The Rock's ego may be, I have to give credit to him for bringing Henry back, even if it didn't go anywhere.
I would give credit but if it was true that he kinda screwed Henry I'm not giving the credit
The Rock is nothing but a holllow PR machine. Him talking Cavill up is nothing more than a career move.
Him not being a Shazam villain kills all his credit.
They tried to recreate the success of the MCU without acknowledging what made the MCU successful. Instead of creating a clear and concise plan for the first few years of storytelling, they rushed into things. And when that didn't work, they just decided to do the cinematic equivalent of throwing feces at the wall to see what stuck. And what makes it even more embarrassing is that the DCEU started with one studio owning the rights to the entire DC catalog, yet couldn't come close to measuring up to the success of the MCU, which for most of its run so far had the rights to less than half of their characters.
Amazing breakdown. What WB did was disgusting and i will never forgive them for their treatment of their actors and directors
Same, I wont support them going forward. DOA.
Horrible corporate greed at its finest
agreed, what they did to so many talented story tellers, with zero business sense. WB would rather keep us all dumb, rather than actually make a profit.
-Johnny Depp PERSECUTES
Amber
Heard’s fans come and see!
Agreed
I will always miss Henry Cavill's Superman. He was my ideal Clark Kent since day one, and even when he had the WB executives against him, his delivery of Superman was charming, warm and full of hope every single time. Right person, wrong time I guess.
In fact every single actor in the DCEU (except probably Ezra Miller) was perfectly casted. I can't imagine Wonder Woman not being Gal Gadot and Affleck's batman was also great, it was all just a massive missed opportunity to make something great
He was gloomy and emo. What exactly charmed you about him?
Henry Cavill was a great Superman, we were lucky to have both him and Tyler Hoechlin playing that character at the same time...
Sadly now Cavill's time is over, and Hoechlin only has one season of *Superman & Lois* (season 4) left to play Clark Kent.
(The "Superman & Lois" crew returns back to filming in just a week, on the 11th of January, so it shouldn't take _too_ long before the season premieres, and it should be over before 2024 ends)
PHYSICALLY, he was a great Superman. But there was nothing in the way he was written or portrayed that made me think he's the embodiment of the Superman I personally know & love. He shouldn't be a conflicted guy, mulling over what he should do when it comes to being hero. He should be the shining example. Christopher Reeve and currently Tyler Hoechlin do that. Hell, he didn't even play Superman technically, but even Smallville's Tom Welling never lost sight of the fact that Clark Kent knows and sticks to his guns in terms of his moral compass. Cavill's didn't have any of that.
@@Sandouras at least for me, that he had to work with a script that didn't understand Clark's personality and even in that situation was able to make it enjoyable, because dude's personality is more like Clark's than the script he was given, it kinda work because of Cavill, anyone else would have been awful (my opinion)
The only problem is that they took so long to pull the plug. Lois Lane having Bruce Wayne's baby? That's nearly as bad as blowing Jimmy Olsen's head off in the desert for no reason.
Yo the guy I saw holding a spear about to kill my boyfriend... he was kinda hot
@@lightdarksoul2097especially his batsuit
except the bruce lois thing was scrapped before snyder even shot JL
@@staticghost99 I don't know it seems by the synder cut he still had that idea
They should've gotten the guys behind the DCAU, Batman the Animated Show, and Superman The Animated Show.
Tim & the rest of those guys actually understand & care about the DC Characters.
THIS
So long as bruce Tim keeps Batgirl away from Batman romantically
Speaking as someone who was not a fan of this franchise as a whole, it’s interesting to know the behind the scenes story of how terribly misguided some of the major executive-creative heads were.
I’ll always be curious to know what the DCEU would’ve been like (for better or worst), if there was less panicky and desperate decisions being made by the execs and instead allowing the filmmakers to have a bit more creative control.
Probably still bad. Snyder is an immature idiot, Patty Jenkins is a terrible writer, James Wan is an unapologetic schlock director, David S. Goyer is lazy and needs to be micromanaged... There simply never was enough talent working on the project in the first place.
WB learnt all the wrong lessons from the success of the Dark Knight trilogy (which was also kinda dumb in hindsight) and doubled down on everything that sucked about it. But the guys they hired were already incompetent.
@@zogwort1522how do you feel about James Gunn handling things going forward?
@@FutureOverYou Could work. He may not be the best fit for the job but he at least understands how to make a good film on his own. Like, he's a real director/writer as opposed to a preteen with a camera, that's pretty good by today's standards.
The main question is: can he keep track of continuity, tone and stakes across several projects?
@@zogwort1522 Arguments with insults to people are completely hollow.
@@Everan614 Not if they're accurate.
Dceu died with Johnathan Kent. That was the stupidiest scene in the history of comic book movies. Snyder hates Superman.
Facts.
It was the best part of that movie. Sorry it went over your head.
@@JonathanHassingerChannel Nothing went over our heads. It just sucked.
We don't gotta keep making excuses for Snyder, man. His films were absurdly dark -- the whole damn MoS and BvS Clark kent looked like he hated life. Batman branding criminals to be killed in prison? And his idea of bruce and Lois having a baby? Cmon man. He fundamentally doesn't get the character. Studio interference messed up JL, but BvS being mediocre was all Snyder.
I honestly didn't mind the darker tone I just think it was handled like it was written by an edgy high school student. If they made Superman enjoy helping people or using his powers to better mankind and being an overall nice person then I think you could make Superman having limits and failing to save everyone and willing to kill to save the lives of innocent people work. I also think his version of Batman could work if they had a film before BvS that showed how he got the point he was in BvS. I can be sold on darker versions of characters it just has to be well written. Writing was the weakest part of all his films
I see a lot of people saying Henry Cavill is the greatest Superman but the only time he was a good Superman was in Josstice League. Say what you want about Josstice League but it gave us a better Superman than Zack Snyder. Even Henry liked Joss Whedon's version of Superman better than Snyder's. I love Henry I think he could've been a fantastic Superman but Zack Snyder is the reason his Superman failed. Zack clearly doesn't understand Superman's character at all and his fans don't either. I wish Henry had a project like Superman & Lois instead he got mediocre films that are a disgrace to Superman and DC Comics in general. I wish Steven Spielberg or Brad Bird directed Henry's Superman the films would've been a lot better. The DCEU had so much potential man it should've been a lot better but because of studio interference and terrible direction it fell apart.
That BvS comicon clip was fire. I still go back and watch it from time to time.
I knew the film would be poorly received as soon as we saw Eisenberg talk
What's fire?
@@TheEdorizopeople was excited
@@Knightfall182lol..just wait till u saw beautiful boy luther in dcu😂
I still remember my whole school was going crazy on that announcement
This pisses me off even more. They listened too much to these "critics."
Na. Wb may be the main culprit but zack snyder isn’t any less of a menace . His "vision" didn’t have the general audience appeal and were alienating to dc comics fans . The dark and serious tone for dceu wasn’t the problem but the lack of good stories and characters were. And Zack doesn’t know how to write dark serious stories with well written characters.
@@Sid271Bingo👍🏿
@@Sid271 Zack didn't write these movies though. David S. Goyer wrote MoS, BvS was written by Goyer and Chris Terrio, and ZSJL was written by Terrio. I agree that Zack often over indulges in cliches and perhaps overly relies on stunning visual effects to drive his movies, but to say that these films have poor stories isn't really fair when you put it into the context that they were supposed to be part of a 5 movie story that ended in a war against Darkseid with Superman leading the armies of Earth against him. Like if you read the storyboards for JL2 and 3, the story sounds really interesting and something that makes the entire 5 movie series make far more sense both thematically and contextually.
@@Sid271Sorry but Snyder is not a real storyteller. Even he say that DC is a kid crap.
Critics weren’t the only ones. The general audience hated snyders films too. Maybe they really are bad movies😢😂 L Snyderverse got its ass kicked by peacemaker lol😅😮😮😮
The fact WB destroyed DC pisses me off
Basically DC should have copied what marvel did with Thanos but with Darkseid. That's it. Could have been simple, put out single films that unite the justice league.
Another thing you could have added in the beginning was where Man of Steel came from. It could be titled Origin of a New Universe
“In 2008, after the Dark Knight was released in theaters, Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer were in the process of writing the Dark Knight Rises. But during that time, they were hit with a writer’s block, leaving them unable to continue working on the script. Therefore, Nolan suggested to Goyer and everyone else to take a week off. During that week David Goyer decided to come up with an idea for a Superman movie. His idea for the Superman would be that Superman arriving in the modern world would be the biggest event in human history. Afterwards, he would show Nolan who would then take the pitch to Warner Bros. Thus, a new Superman movie was greenlit, with Nolan recommending Zack Snyder as the director. Soon enough, Snyder was hired as the director for this Superman movie in 2010. He would get to work on bringing the Superman back to the big screen, with the name of the film being titled Man of Steel.
Which I feel is very underrated unappreciated film.
That's the story that they put out there. Apparently what really happened was WB was forced into making a Superman film in whatever form due to a legal battle with the Superman creator families (Siegel/Shuster) at the time.
Snyder is awful. Other than 300 he's never done anything worth a piss.
@@joshsmith6043I don’t get why people like his movies beside some cool shots. I’m so happy for people to finally see Zach unleashed and what he did with Rebel Moon. 😂 what a fucking joke of a movie.
@@TheRopenNetwork MoS is a really bad Superman adaptation and a mediocre movie.
It's good to have a final look back at all the BS the DCEU went through on the same day Netflix is releasing Snyder's new movie Rebel Moon. Good job 👌
Hey tex I'm pleasantly surprised to see you here! When is your next video coming out?
Lesgooo 2 of my favorite DC CZcams talkers r here
Also kind of coincides with release of Aquaman 2 the official ending of the universe
Ayo Tex, where’s that Potter video? I been waitin homie
It good alright show how bad of a writer he is rebel moon been the lastest
I am a huge fan of the DC animated series. Great plot lines. Decent animation. Great voice acting. Very adult themes.
I'm working my way through over 52 films. Good stuff!!!
Should’ve let Snyder pursue his vision rather than leave a clustered and confused mess, a folly that applies to various other entries within the DCEU. Terrible.
One point worth mentioning is that strangely enough, “The Flash” referenced events that only happened in the Snyder Cut of JL. I guess at that point WB had decided that it didn’t really matter what continuity they followed anyway.
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What did they reference?
@@FahadAyaz it’s been a while since I watched The Flash or the Snyder cut, but if I’m not mistaken they referenced Barry having traveled back in time a few minutes during the final battle, which only happened in the Snyder version.
Snyder's DCEU movie is like a bunch of cool video game walpapers and cinematics stiched together.
Its full of metaphors and allegories but it lack soul.
no.. it didn't lack soul.
@@artistrahhul4244 yes.. it lacked soul
They've been so down from the very beginning, I don't know if we can call that a fall. I loved Man Of Steel, but the arguments against it back then were fairly valid: cringe writing and boring outside the fights.
People blame WB, but they intervened BECAUSE of the bad reception of Snyder's movies. So there was already something wrong before the production started "tweaking" the universe.
In fact, even its reason for existing led it to its doom. WB saw the success of Avengers and how much people wanted Justice League live action. So they said "it's time, NOW!" and hurried... way too much. BvS tries to introduce way too much at once: the ultimate fight of B vs S, the Justice League, Doomsday, Lex Luthor and the End of the World. Despite being two years after the FIRST movie of this extended universe. We _should_ have had a movie on Lex, a movie on Batman, a movie on Batman v Superman, a movie on Doomsday...
And that's on Snyder as much as on Warner Bros.
Granted though, the first movies don't suck as much as Aquaman, Wonder Woman, their sequels, The Flash...
thank you.
apparently these simple facts are being labeled as “bias” by someone who accurately managed to omit them in this “accurate” video…
@@Slask7 On another note, I have watched the animated movie Justice League: War. It's extremely similar to the DCEU JL movie.... but is actually so good to watch!
The reason? They didn't cram 10000 things into the movie.
Batman fights a Parademon, it turns out to be an emissary, Darkseid tries to invade the Earth, the greatest super-heroes of the world meet to counter him, Cyborg fused with a Motherbox, it turns out to be the key to repelling the Parademons, then they officially form the Super-hero group, it's the Dawn of Justice, the end. No need for 4 hours to tell that.
This is the very first movie of a timeline (the DCAMU), they actually didn't need many movies to introduce everything before a JL movie. But that's because they cleverly spread the amount of story for each movie afterwards.
I've watched a few more movies of the DCAMU, and the way certain movies are focused on different groups of characters is very good!
@@Dante02d12 DC always delivers with animation. Between tv series and movies there’s a great collection of fine adaptations, some of which represent the best stuff out of comics.
Downfall? The DCEU never got off the ground in the first place. It had the Batman movies and maybe 2 actually good other superhero movies and the rest have been middling, at best. Something can't fall that was never flying in the first place.
I always found DCEU💩 very cheesy!😔 For better financial funds DCEU💩 could have gotten funding from #TDBank💳... 🌎💘💰
Tbh, I didn't like where it was going since the ending of Man of Steel. As a fan of the comics, it just missed the mark. It wasn't really his vision as ppl claim it was. It was just Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman, & Injustice mixed together. But it was lacking the impact those stories had. Superman's death came too early, meaning there would be no stakes in his sequels since he couldn't die again and had just faced his penultimate villain, Doomsday.
A "downfall" implies the DCEU was good at one point but it literally never was.
Man of steel, bvs, and zsjl were great. The first wonderwoman was good too.
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v No they were all garbage and you have shit taste. Let me guess, you think the star wars prequels are good?
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v all garbage films except for wonder woman which itself is still mediocre
@@dancingvalkyrie to each their own even though you are wrong.
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v Films are poorly written even if YOU don't believe it to be true.
The dceu had some good bones but ultimately failed to stay faithful to the source material and fumbled the landing. It’s a shame when people try to be too creative instead of being faithful. The Tobey Maguire spider-man 1 & 2 movies were so good because they felt faithful to the original vision in many ways while taking some creative liberties. They focused on creating a compelling hero with a complex set of challenges and threading the needle to create an impactful narrative that continues to astound all these years later.
I’m not even sure I’d call it a “downfall” because that implies it fell from a place of strength. The DCEU started off with a limp (Man of Steel) and continued to get worse with each release.
It’s more like “the trainwreck that took a decade”
David Goyer said a stand alone Man Of Steel 2 was supposed to happen, but apparently Warner panicked because of the criticism of the first and that it apparently didn't hit their huge expectations of grossing a billion.
What's even dumber is that even Iron Man 1 and Batman Begins didn't hit 1 billion either.
actually WB CEO changed plans even before Man of Steel was released.
if only WARNER BROS did did what miles morales said "i'm gonna do my own thing " it would had worked for them, instead of copying marvel
Right, wanting 2 rush 2 Justice League was a bad move & making it comical
:') Came to the comment section to realize everything that needed to be said had been said. Thank you for the breakdown, and for acknowledging this enough for us all to move on. what a damn shame.
DC has been its own worst enemy in the translation of the comic books to the big screen. They let Marvel get years ahead of them; they cast different actors to play the same characters in different movies undermining any sense of continuity or connectivity by the fans; they tried too quickly to create an analogous response to the MCU not recognizing the decades of work that Marvel put into making that leap.
DC had a challenge to begin with where Marvel had a tradition in its source comic book material of plots where complex heroes--not villains--were central to the stories, which also lent to cultivating real fans; DC, on the other hand, had comic stories that were much more dependent on the villains. it is why the Rogues Galleries of Batman, Superman, and the Flash are so well known compared to those of Marvel Heroes. The first question anyone asks about a DC movie is: "who's the bad guy?" That's because DC has cultivated its stories around the heroes foiling them as opposed to struggling with their own demons which Marvel is soooo good at putting its heroes through. Stan Lee left a great legacy for screenwriters to pick up.
Ironically, it was the DC Animated series under Bruce Timm, where the greatest transition for DC was made. And it was a formula very similar to what worked for MCU live movies: take your time; develop the characters; develop their relationships; let conflicts be real and let some business stay unfinished. The vocal talents used in the DC animated world were brilliant as well. It is not a coincidence that the actor with the longest continuity for a DC character was Kevin Conroy's Batman.
It's sad that WB never learned a thing from DC's strongest franchise to help its weakest.
Really glad you're laying all of this out like this.
Panicking WB execs are the problem, and I have no reason to believe that will change for the DCU.
The theatrical cut of BvS was full of plot holes. Good job, WB execs. The Ultimate Edition is such a great movie.
I don't understand fans that complained about Superman's suit and theme music in Black Adam. I was just grateful he was back.
You summed it up quite nicely in the end.
The Ultimate edition is only marginally better, and too long for a theatrical cut. The premise of BvS was a poor narrative to begin with
@@aaronmiles28023 hours is too long for a theatrical cut? Lots of movies are 3 hours long now lol
@@maybetoby Too long for what WB wanted, Snyder had to work within the constraints. WB interfered too much, but the narrative itself was trash and uninspired
@@aaronmiles2802too long for a theatrical release??? Oppenheimer, gone with the wind, the return of the king, cleolatra, ben-hur, the godfather 2, titanic, Malcolm x , endgame, the wolf of wallstreet... yeah I guess your right those very unpopular movies over 3 hrs say your right lol
I think WB just had no faith in Zack. With the exception of Suicide Squad to my knowledge they didn't interfere with anyone else not Patty, or James Wan (at least not to the degree as with Zack) I can't see them interfering with Gunn since I'm sure they have more faith in him and WB would love to have that Guardians of the galaxy like success with their characters.
It is such a crime what these people done to these movies and how much they fucked it all up, I hope they are truly ashamed and understand they have no vision and should leave the movie business before they screw up more peoples work.
List of things the DCEU did right:
1. Hiring Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jason Mamoa
List of things they did wrong:
Literally everything else.
Zack Snyder is an idiot. And we know that is true because only an idiot would allow Jesse Eisenberg to do THAT for 3 hours, make Superman gloomy, and make Batman an unabashed serial killer.
Brilliant documentary, beautifully made. You deserve many more subs, mate.
Not gonna argue the lex thing, it can be perceived either way. But Superman finds his place in the world, the journey is incredibly good, he's literally battling himself at every turn, that makes him grounded and not 1 dimensional.
Batman we see isn't a new batman, it's a 20year veteran who lost his robin. He is mad pissed. Towards the end of bvs he realises it, to me that's character growth. To each their own I guess
great insight into the politics of studio execs and the hurdles of managing great characters and content under an umbrella like WB. As a longtime comic book fan who wants to see these characters grow in the 21st century I truly hope lessons were learned by those in control of them. Thank you for a wonderful documentary :)
The most honest and factual recap of what happened with the DCEU...
Thank you!
He still missing a lot of snyder interview and con. For example you can watch Man of Steel supernova con in Disney where snyder said that WB execs told him they want clark kent grew up in metropolis and he said the lore of superman is he grew up in smallville so he asked nolan to help him, nolan later purchased a land and they built kent's farm and kent's house.
This is important because as far back as Man of Steel, WB already meddling.
Another interview is from BvS, where snyder said he proposed superman sequel to WB execs and the movie ended with kryptonite arrived on Wayne manor, suddenly those execs eyes changed and they demand batman in the whole movie. If you bought BvS Steel book, you can see concept art of metallo. Metallo supposed to be villain and not doomsday but they changed it in pre-production because of JL where batman must recruiting JL members
There is an underground rumor only...going around that Snyder is seeking personal funding to perhaps continue the Snyder DCEU on Netflix; continue the movie series on that platform and have WB execs far away from the projects. Perhaps a JL2 with the Darkseid angle is still alive; even a Green Lantern (John) or other legendary DC characters on a possible horizon?
It's very biased. Studio meddling wass the main problem but not enough light is put on the poor planning. The studio wanted to rush a universe but snyder was also rushing his own movies. You cant tell me WB execs who know jack shit about comics were the ones who decided to have death of superman and dark knight returns rolled I to one movie WHILE having a completely unrelated plotline that added nothing. The problems all started from batman V superman. It was simply a bad film. Warner bros execs are idiots who panicked immediately and forced Joss Whedon to try and sweep snyder's vision under the rug. BvS being bad is Snyder's fault. The universe failing as a whole is warner bros fault.
@@JBoxy7 No no. What you want is a biased video. You want me to share your own opinion on the planning. That is an opinion, not a fact. I just shared the facts. WB hired Snyder. Fact. Snyder made a bad movie. Opinion. One is a factual statement the other is an opinion stated as a fact. This was a factual documentary, not sharing opinions on the movies themselves. That is for the audience to decide, not me.
After watching this, You probably explained the whole universe a lot better than everybody else. Good job👍🏽
0:47 Dawn of the DCEU
11:09 Justice League
15:27 Changing Direction
21:08 Release the SnyderCut
24:49 Restore the SnyderVerse
28:40 The [Redacted] Squad
32:57 Warner Bro. Discovery
42:18 DC Studios
Redacted because how sensitive the word is to some, and especially CZcams itself.
This is why mcu is better. Cause they never listened to the critics. They just kept on going. Until we witnessed their being top of their peak
MCU was better back then.IT went downhill right after 2019. Today no one is getting excited in watching any upcoming Marvel movies.
These days in the Marvel universe it's also shit lol
MCU was never good
Yea mcu always make better movies than dceu.
I suppose it’s fitting to have the DCEU start in 2013 and wrap up in 2023. A 10 year run that was sadly very messy.
It’s a shame since the DCEU had potential just like anything else but so many factors played into its downfall. Personally I’ve been wanting a reboot for awhile and I’m looking forward to and hoping for the best for the DCU
Still though it’s still a shame the DCEU failed and I’m really sorry to all of the fans who genuinely loved this universe and wanted more. Hopefully things will turn around for the future of DC
They were too stubborn to quit lmao, it was dead the second they released Justice League 🤣 the last few years it’s been a zombie
Don't hold your breath
I enjoy how context is given to the DCEU situation. How Snyders original ideas were “accelerated” or simply just rushed by the studio. Studio interference and the vocal minority of agenda driven anti-Snyder media is what destroyed the DCEU. The box office’s were consistently growing, and WB disregarded all that to start making Harley Quinn, Shazam 1+2, a horrible WW sequel and the awful Flash movie. The only highlights after Aquaman were ZSJL and Black Adam and the studio disregarded that success in favor of undercutting movies for a few years until James Gunn makes his DCU movie. This is a horrible way to run a movie studio.
Ye fuck WB for that move/those moves.. Was so excited for the 5 movie plan from Snyder pff
Lies again? Driver Chauffeur Euro Union
@@NazriB what lies? It said in the video lol
I'd love to know how Snyder pissed off the movers and shakers of Hollywood that made him such a punching bag
Listen... Snyder's idea of killing off Superman in the SECOND movie. Making BvS before a solo batman movie, and teasing an evil superman, originally leading to Bruce Wayne getting with Lois and having a baby is absolutely horrendous. Warner Bros made some base decisions but so did Snyder. Snyder did with the DC characters what Rian Johnson did with Luke Skywalker. He took the characters for their aesthetics without a care for who they are and made what he wanted to make.
what a sad, sad story. breaks my heart that they fumbled this hard with such a great set of characters and cast.
Snyder set the DCEU up to fail with BvS and the unfaithful to the characters story, poor storytelling, etc. that he established the universe with, everything after that was a massive case of too many cooks in the kitchen.
Part of the reason why Henry Cavill couldn't appear in anymore DC films after Justice League was because of his deal with Netflix in 2018, which prohibited him from doing other films outside of Netflix between 4 to 5 years, all so he could do the Witcher series (since he is a fan of the books and the games). After 2018, the only projects that Cavill did were Enola Holmes and The Witcher. The only exception to the rule was the Snyder Cut, which apparently was in Cavill's contract.
Great video, I'll definitely recommend it. You forgot to mention that the greatest DC threat wasn't Darksied, it was the WB Executives.
How sad it is for the fans that, rather than the successes of the MCU inspiring the DCEU to higher standards, we have seen the reverse - wherein the quality of the MCU has been lowered to the level of the DCEU, and then dropped further still.
great compilation OMN, very informative. hoping that they did learn and we'll be seeing a rise in quality from this dcu. thank you for all your hard work and especially that which you put in bringing us this sendoff my friend.
Didn't I read in one article that BVS was originally Man of steel 2, and WB saw the success of the avengers and wanting to rush the justice league right in? I don't think BVS was suppose to be a part of his story arc..
it supposed to be a 3part story film for Superman but WB got jealous to MCU that they made it into a shared universe.
@@momostan1714 I'm not sure why WB was so butthurt on it in the first place, everything we could've had, but they choose to rush it. I can definitely see this in a alternate world. Also It really quite sad and annoying that people refuse to understand this.
When this video had more views than the post Snyder DC movies😂
This was quite the rollercoaster of promising memories and frustrations. Great job with this video.
It’s hard to be anything but sad when we get to the part where Henry had to publicly rescind his post about returning as Superman. It remains the reason why I have no interest in Superman Legacy or James Gunn’s DCU. But that’s just me. I’m delighted for those who are looking forward to it and I’ll try to watch it with an open mind and heart in 2025.
Ah, a nice stroll down Memory Lane…with good memories and difficult memories. A wonderful documentary, well done, my friend. :)
Thank you!
@OurMovieNews you are a fucking liar. Youre coloring facts for confirmation bias.
@@OurMovieNews I always found DCEU💩 very cheesy!😔 For better financial funds DCEU💩 could have gotten funding from #TDBank💳... 🌎💘💰
I literally started crying when Henry's announcement video back started playing 😭
there's so much material to use from all the way back in the thirties to now it shouldn't be this hard to get the characters right 💀
Thank you for putting this together. It’s such a great comprehensive look at greed vs creativity.
Nah bruh you can’t blame studio interference for shit like Killer Batman, Leto Joker, Jolly Rancher Lex, immediately killing off Jimmy Olsen and Dick Grayson, and “ancient lamentations”.
Jimmy Olsen died?
@@dominiquejones3805 start of BvS 💀🔫
The worst thing about the DCEU is how bad of a precedent it set for others trying to set up their own movieverse
Who needs years of a carefully laid out plan like the MCU when you can just rush out your movieverse in just the first or second and still make billions in the box office?
Great video, I just have two points to make in addition to what has already been well discussed -
1) Revisionism makes Synder a hero, but it’s important to remember that his original work in MoS and BvS too had their share of detractors - mostly for being too dark and faithful to the comics. As a result a lot of the casual movie goers felt out of place as they didn’t understand and enjoy the comic book references. This is particularly where the MCU did very well in Phases 1 and 2, by turning obscure comic book heroes into household names by just making the films more accessible to everyone.
2) A lot of the DCEU’s diminishing returns also tallies with an overall superhero fatigue in the audience - which is why even the MCU off late has been struggling horribly. And like it or not, the ‘multiverse’ concept that both Marvel and DC have adopted seem cool in terms of fan service initially - by bringing in different iterations of popular characters on screen at the same time - but have also turned out to be horribly confusing and bloated, simply exhausting the bulk of the casual viewers.
In general, people are tired of superheroes. That only makes it lamentable that WB did not fully cash in on the superhero craze when it was at its peak. Nothing Gunn does now can ever match up to the original hype going into BvS.
uhm… snyder’s films weren’t criticized because “too dark” and “too faithful to comics”.
Audiences don’t have problems with dark films, as Nolan and other filmmakers proved.
BvS was simply “pompous” and too pretentious, without the solid writing and directing that made other movies shine.
About the comic book accuracy.. that went right out the window pretty soon.
@@HumbleSiPilot77Snyder did not understand DC material so stop sucking his dick aight 😂
This was utterly fascinating. Makes me think of the meme where it’s Michael Fassbender/Magneto talking to Mystique (labeled DCEU)while she lays in his bed, and it’s like “show me your biggest villain” and it shows Darksied, and magneto goes, “I said your biggest villain” and it just shows the WB logo😂 “Perfection.”
Lol absolute gold and accurate
I can’t wait to watch this whole documentary especially when it’s narrated by Our Movie news and can we all give a all around applause 👏 for all his work hard and dedication to making a video about this think about all the research and time it took into making this type of documentary? also shout out to his passion for the dc universe.
Wow thank you so much!
@@OurMovieNews you’re welcome you made awesome in depth video
@@OurMovieNews Great job! You got all the facts right.
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Warner Bros und DC solch ein Dokumentarfilm machen sollen.
Our Movie News
Thank You.❤❤❤
Couldn’t have said it better myself
What DCEU? The DC universe has yet to have a movie live action universe!
WB executives basically did the same thing with the original Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Tim Burton Batman movies. They wouldn’t leave the directors alone to make their films. Ultimately they themselves destroyed their own franchises.
For me Batman v Superman killed the DCEU. I will always remember how stupid the whole "wait your mom is martha too? Did we just become best friends?". It was so unbeleivably stupid. Superman was always the upbeat, optimistic hero, and the whole movie is just Superman being a dick until he realizes batman's mom is also named martha.
Only thing left out is the fact that Gunn had already been tasked with penning a new Superman reboot script while Henry was announcing he’s back. Such deception.
Gunn is a hack
The superhero movie genre honestly peaked during Endgames time in theaters. Both Marvel and DC have declined hard since then. Marvels projects have just been poor and haven't delivered at the box office. DC well. I don't even need to talk about DC because This video showed the problem with DC.
I want to say that they could have salvaged the DCEU but, honestly, with the mess that WB made, I don't blame Gunn for deciding on a reboot. I think it was probably the right call.
The downfall ?? It never rose to have any kind of downfall. Only superhero factory having a downfall is MCU
You're right about MCU being a shell of what it was and a dissapointment across Marvel before, but IDK, why do you think the DCU wasn't off to a good start in the first place?
I understand all the blame on WB executives and I absolutely agree with it. However, there’s one thing Snyder is solely to blame:
The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman should’ve never been crammed into one single film. That was disrespectful to the source material and comic book fans. Batman V Superman is atrocious in its vision NOT because of rewrites or trimming.
We should’ve gotten at least a Man of Steel trilogy before bringing Bats to face off. Even Batfleck deserved his own film, maybe two before that.
Man of Steel was great and deserved a proper sequel.
Agree 💯 %
Solid video. Thanks. Like a house, building a franchise starts with strongs foundation which are not done in hurry and with greed. Otherwise it collapses. Rushing for a group move instead of installing characters properlly was a severe lesson for WB.
Really great video, man.
Snyder is so, so, SO very overrated. Yet another "auteur" who is more in love with himself and his grand vision than he is interested in creating a product for the little people. And WB did nothing to help. It was all doomed from the beginning. Suicide Squad was the death knell, the final nail in a coffin that DC/WB execs didn't know it was already buried in. Every movie released after was like sticking a finger in the dyke while the flood was happening all around.
Everyone blamed Whedon for what happened with Justice League, just as people blamed Peter Jackson for The Hobbit clusterf*ck, when in both cases all the blame rests with the suits at the studios who don't have a single clue what they're doing.
Peaked at the Dark Knight, died with a bed pooping abuser. How the mighty have fallen.
"There were perfect things. Diamond absolutes. But things fall... " 😢
I can never tell the difference from mustache CGI scenes, I fell like everyone just knew about it because someone leaked that info to the press
Same to be honest, it always looked fine to me
I can tell the difference, Henry's face just looks off in justice league
I like how you glossed over the fact that WW 84 was absolute trash and blame it’s gross on Max release.
I thought it was terrible but for a fair assessment I can’t be adding my own views on the movies.
Horrible movies can still make a profit
I think the main reason for dceu's downfall was WB's strong urge to copy and be like Marvel when they should have been original and what they really are . They just fcuked everything up . 😢
Great video and summary. Utterly depressing and demoralizing, but well put together.
Much appreciated!
Well done. Nice to see it all in one video.
Alone: BvS was the Clark-Superman-Lois movie that I wanted to have but never got to see. BvS was the Batman movie that i wanted to have but never got to see. Together, BvS was a depressing, uneven, unearned, uncalled for mess that I was disappointed to see.
The Batman
Meanwhile, DCAU silently cooked some bangers
Well thats nothing to brag about. They always been well with animation. We are talking about live action though.
The main thing I got from this that…
A) WB and everyone else this pertains to wanted to blow their load immediately rather than putting in the work to get to that climax.
Y? Cuz Money! They noticed Marvel’s success and wanted in on that immediately. Which leads me to
B) Instead of being original and leaning on all the lore/moods and so on that they have at their disposal, they chose to just try and copy Marvel’s homework while changing some things here and there to make it seem like it’s wholesomely theirs🤦♂️.
Marvel put in the leg work to get to where they were whilst DC tried to skip all that and just go straight to Justice League…with a 2hr or less movie…for JUSTICE LEAGUE 🤦♂️!
BRO THANK U FOR MAKING THIS. cleared a lot of stuff up for me. lotssss of information.. brings a tear to my eye knowing we had cavil for flash and MOS2. it could have been epic, poetic, beautiful, and amazing.. 😞
It never really rose up enough for a fall. BM v SM completely failed to justify the clash between BM and SM--but it wasn't any worse than CACW (which was really mostly an Avengers' film). I thought both were horrible at justifying the clash of the heroes. The problem for BvS was WW stole the show, plus the MARTHA thing. Snyder's inability to get a billion dollar box office for BvS got the execs keen to get rid of him. Shazam was actually quite profitable, since the budget had been kept down.
The biggest mistake was in not harmonzing the Snyderverse with the Arrowverse. Much of the Arrowverse would have made for better films than the Snyder/Goyerverse, which mostly sucked.
The DCEU is a perfect example of, failure to launch, dead on arrival, lack of a plan all at the same time
Why do people try to act like their cenamatic universe didn't start with 2011 Green Lantern? When the movie under performed they tried to erase their comments and claim Man of Steel is actually the beginning.
Ive never been on board with Bruce and Lois having a kid, seeing that im pretty sure they don't have really much to very little screen time.
Yeah, only smart decision made by WB.
Not just little to no screen time together, but the timing wouldn't fit either, since Bruce more or less immediately began his search of Aquaman right after Clark's funeral
Downfall? Doesn’t that imply it was in high regard at some point in time?
I do not think Snyder should be at the forefront of DC, because he doesn't understand the characters. That being said, Its frustrating how the studio kept getting on his way. Even if I don't like him it would have been cool to see his full vision
The Wonder Woman ending always puzzled me. It was such a breath of fresh air when Diana defeated the guy she thought was Ares and expected all the bad guys to stop, but they didn't, and Steve told her that sometimes bad people are just bad. It's like the studio went "Nah, screw the theme of the movie. People want a big, ugly CGI monster that contradicts the lesson the hero just learned. Brilliant!" Amazing breakdown. What WB did was disgusting and I will never forgive them for their treatment of their actors and directors Quoting from the Green Goblin in NWH: “Strong enough to have it all. Too weak to take it.” This summarizes WB, they had something great at their grasp but didn’t know how to manage it. Great work with the documentary 🎉It doesn’t matter if you’re a Gunn or Snyder fan I think we can all agree that WB sucks and they fucked up. They fumbled the bag hard. I will always miss Henry Cavill's Superman. He was my ideal Clark Kent since day one, and even when he had the WB executives against him, his delivery of Superman was charming, warm, and full of hope every single time. Right person, wrong time I guess. it still hurts Henry was let go in such a bad way. unforgivable. well, put together a video btw bro. really good Speaking as someone who was not a fan of this franchise as a whole, it’s interesting to know the behind-the-scenes story of how terribly misguided some of the major executive creative heads were. I’ll always be curious to know what the DCEU would’ve been like (for better or is the best if there were fewer panicky and desperate decisions being made by the execs and instead allowed the filmmakers to have a bit more creative control. Another thing you could have added in the beginning was where Man of Steel came from. It could be titled Origin of a New Universe “In 2008, after The Dark Knight was released in theaters, Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer were in the process of writing the Dark Knight Rises. But during that time, they were hit with writer’s block, leaving them unable to continue working on the script. Therefore, Nolan suggested to Goyer and everyone else to take a week off. During that week David Goyer decided to come up with an idea for a Superman movie. His idea for Superman would be that Superman's arrival in the modern world would be the biggest event in human history. Afterward, he would show Nolan who would then take the pitch to Warner Bros. Thus, a new Superman movie was greenlit, with Nolan recommending Zack Snyder as the director. Soon enough, Snyder was hired as the director for this Superman movie in 2010. He would get to work on bringing Superman back to the big screen, with the name of the film being titled Man of Steel. Really glad you're laying all of this out like this. Panicking WB execs are the problem, and I have no reason to believe that will change for the DCU. The theatrical cut of BvS was full of plot holes. Good job, WB execs. The Ultimate Edition is such a great movie. I don't understand fans who complained about Superman's suit and theme music in Black Adam. I was just grateful he was back. You summed it up quite nicely in the end. Thank you for putting this together. It’s such a great comprehensive look at greed vs creativity. It's good to have a final look back at all the BS the DCEU went through on the same day Netflix is releasing Snyder's new movie Rebel Moon. Good job 👌After watching this, You probably explained the whole universe a lot better than everybody else. Good job👍🏽Well done! As a DC fan, it’s been infuriating to watch WB self-sabotage these films over and over again I can’t wait to watch this whole documentary especially when it’s narrated by Our Movie News and can we all give an all-around applause 👏 for all his work hard and dedication to making a video about this think about all the research and time it took into making this type of documentary? also, shout out to his passion for the DC universe. I enjoy how context is given to the DCEU situation. How Snyder's original ideas were “accelerated” or simply just rushed by the studio. Studio interference and the vocal minority of agenda-driven anti-Snyder media is what destroyed the DCEU. The box offices were consistently growing, and WB disregarded all that to start making Harley Quinn, Shazam 1+2, a horrible WW sequel, and the awful Flash movie. The only highlights after Aquaman were ZSJL and Black Adam and the studio disregarded that success in favor of undercutting movies for a few years until James Gunn made his DCU movie. This is a horrible way to run a movie studio. great compilation OMN, very informative. hoping that they did learn and we'll be seeing a rise in quality from this DCU. thank you for all your hard work and especially that which you put in bringing us this sendoff my friend. That BvS comicon clip was the fire. I still go back and watch it from time to time. :') Came to the comment section to realize everything that needed to be said had been said. Thank you for the breakdown, and for acknowledging this enough for us all to move on. what a damn shame. This was just a perfect summary, didn't miss a thing. Amazing work!! Left feeling a little sad. Great Breakdown. This is an abject lesson to us all as not to compare yourself to anyone else and to do your own thing. If (Big IF) WB had sat back and let Zack do his thing, we would have had an amazing DC arc and satisfying stopping point if they wanted to reboot. Instead, they wanted to be like Marvel, and look where Marvel is now... As a huge fan of these characters and DC content outside the DCEU, this is a heartbreaking story. So much potential is ruined by greed and poor planning. A great video chronicling this era that honestly could be its own movie. Whether you liked the DCEU or not, it is over now and it's time for something new. With James Gunn as the head and Marvel now slowing down, the stage is set for the two brands to finally share an equal spotlight. Can't wait to see where your content goes next Great Documentary, thank you for your work! A video that ranks all the DCEU-Movies would be great!! For me Batman v Superman is still my favorite followed closely by Zack's JL! 🖤🎞👍I was there for every twist and turn.
Amazing that a bunch of video game writers lead by Ed Boon and his team could put together a quality story in the Injustice 2 video game balancing over 25 DC characters in a 5 hour story mode than a bunch of Hollywood writers, directors and suits could do in 15 plus films spanning 6 times the amount of time. The difference only one cook in the kitchen, not 20.
Fun Fact: When MoS released, the Batman animated movie "The Dark Knight Returns Part 2" released the same year. Part 1 released the year before it. That is possibly why you see Jay Olivia in front of the poster of the 2 hr 32 mins of full DKR. Might have influenced Snyder for his Batman.
The potential was there. It feels like the Execs interfered to the point of ruination and hopefully with the reboot with Gunn. That they learned their lesson.