Ford's 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost: Which is Better?
Vložit
- čas přidán 19. 01. 2023
- In this video, Zach covers the comparison between Ford’s 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost engines. Both the 2.7 and 3.5 EcoBoost’s are very successful and excellent engines for Ford. Zach will cover power output, reliability, towing, performance, and more between the two engines. If you are wanting to watch more in depth on either engine, see below for those videos. Sit back, relax, and watch the whole video.
2.7 EcoBoost Common Problems & Reliability Video - • How Reliable is the Fo...
3.5 EcoBoost Common Problems & Reliability Video - • How Reliable is the Fo...
8020 Media Website:
8020media.co/
Check Out Our Portfolio:
Tuning Pro - tuningpro.co/
BMW Tuning - bmwtuning.co/
Diesel IQ - dieseliq.com/
Chevy Trucks - chevytrucks.org/
Volkswagen Tuning - vwtuning.co/
Porsche Mania - porsche-mania.com/
Muscle Car Club - musclecarclub.com/
New Videos Every Week. Subscribe so you don't miss a video!
►Subscribe Here: bit.ly/3xtNUph
---------------------------------------------------------------------
What is 8020 Media?
8020 Media owns and operates a portfolio of content websites and eCommerce stores in the Automotive industry. We provide over a million monthly readers with high-quality automotive content, focused predominantly on technical and performance modification guides.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
00:30 - 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Introduction - F150
00:57 - 2.7 vs 3.5 EB Origin
01:34 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Power Output
02:13 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Common Problems and Reliability
04:09 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Towing
06:02 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Fuel Economy
07:27 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Performance, Tuning, & Modifications
07:53 - Ford 2.7 EcoBoost Pros
08:43 - Ford 3.5 EcoBoost Pros
09:13 - Ford 2.7 vs 3.5 EcoBoost Conclusion - Auta a dopravní prostředky
![[柴犬ASMR]曼玉Manyu&小白Bai 毛发护理Spa asmr](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0TsXQ7z2Dh4/mqdefault.jpg)
The 2.7 is a fully built race engine in every since of the words!!! From the block to the main caps to the use of off set rods etc. etc. The parts and processes used in building this engine are the same that full on race motors are built with. As much race technology and design that went into this and being so heavily built for abuse I really think this engine was designed with the intention of being used for the new Ford GT!! It’s unlike anything Ford has ever built for the public. But with all the insane horsepower wars going on and all the rumors and secrecy of the C8 Z06’s engine Ford ended up using the 3.5 for overall horsepower and torque superiority. And despite being a CGI iron block the 2.7 engine is still like 10lbs lighter than the all aluminum 3.5 engine and a much more compact design… They can easily make the power the GT has with that 2.7 but got nervous and used the 3.5 with its displacement advantages to easily trump what ever Chevy decided to put in the Z06.
I just think it’s quite odd how much Ford down plays the 2.7 as just being a base engine that is used in a pickup truck when in reality it’s a fully built bad ass lil race engine in a f-150 disguise 😂
Scott - Thanks for taking the time to add this very valuable insight! It's good to see the passion for the 2.7 EB as we also think it is an outstanding piece of machinery from Ford.
I really love my 2.7 it’s been a workhorse for me
I hear ya! I love my NANO!
Had a 2019 f150 xlt 2.7 blackout edition new off the lot. Absolutely loved that truck. Went in dealership only wanting the 5.0 coyote but Traded for another 2019 xlt 3.5 in 2022. Can’t go wrong with either. Amazing engines
@@chrisfry6054 220k miles on my 2015 2.7 and still no mechanical (or electrical, etc) problems. If/when this engine goes, I drive her hard, I'm buying a new 2.7 engine. I love my truck!
The 2.7 ecoboost is a monster!
J - We agree!
I’ve driven for work the 5.4 triton, the 5.0, the 3.5 eco boost and now I own the 2.7 eco boost. In my work trucks I drove at least a 100k in each of them. The gas mileage in my 2.7 in real world is 20% better than the 3.5 and 30% better than the V8 models. I had a Dodge Ram 1500 with the Hemi and put around 220K on it in 3 years at work. The gas mileage on it was pretty much the same as the 3.5 eco boost. Then again I do highway mileage no towing. I live in western Canada in butt ass cold Alberta and would travel up the Alaska Highway often. I had electrical issues with the Ram when it was new but was finally fixed, would shut off when driving and not restart. Something to do with the immobilizer system not working with the key. At 200k the fuel pump assembly had to be replaced. The fords were trouble free but rode like crap compared to the Ram. This is the first 2.7 eco boost I’ve owned and since I don’t tow anything, pretty much bought it to put my motorcycle in the back, and it’s just easier to deal,with winter owning a truck. I am very happy with the power and even more impressed with the gas mileage. Mine has the almost 140 litre fuel tank on it which is amazing having a 600 mile range, but damn it takes a while to fill it up in the cold 🙄🙄🙄 1st world problems right 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ I love the fact it’s aluminum no rust on the fenders or tail gate like the Ram…
Coling - Thanks for sharing your experience. It certainly will help future viewers!
everything sounds believable except for "the 3.5 and the dodge get the same mileage on the highway with no trailer"
@@sqd37lI've owned both and the hemisphere has the worst mileage out of the 3.
Sounds like 14L/100 km with the 2.7, is the truck completely stock? All terrain tires? 20” rims? I thought that the 2.7 would be better than that?
I've owned '19 2.7, '22 3.5, and now a '23 5.0. Both ecos are incredible motors with tons of torque just off idle. The 2.7 might be the quietest motor I've ever had in anything. Had a 5-star tune (mostly ran the 93 performance) on the 2.7 and it was hilariously fast for such a small V6 pulling a big mid-size truck. Never got around to tuning the 3.5, but can only imagine how much of a monster it would have been. Now with the '23 5.0 there's a substantial difference in low-end torque compared to both ecos, but man does it sound incredible.
J - Thanks for sharing this valuable experience! Which would you say is your favorite out of the three?
@@8020Media Ha that's hard to say, all 3 are great in their own ways. The 2.7 gave me the best fuel mileage, and was also fun to drive with that low-end torque. Great little engine to be sure. The 3.5 was definitely the fastest. It makes the truck feel considerably lighter than it really is with all that torque off idle. Still got really good gas mileage, only about 1-2mpg less on avg with 80/20 highway/city driving. Driving the 5.0 is a whole other animal, it's quite a bit louder (and it's not piped in sound either like the ecos had). I went with a V8 this time since I figure they may not be available much longer and kind of wanted to have one last V8 hurrah so to speak. It feels pretty docile in the lower RPM range, but the way the power exponentially surges past 3000RPM feels great. The ecos sort of flatten out a bit in the higher rev range, or at least that's how they feel once they're past that initial torque shove off the line. The thrill of that power really pulling you harder and harder as you rev into the upper RPM range with the 5.0 is pretty exhilarating.
J - Thanks for taking the time and sharing all of your valuable feedback! We couldn’t agree more with all the things said.
So you keep your Fords only for 3 years you would say?
It doesn’t sound that incredible. Just sounds like a loud vehicle engine. Only sounds good if you put exhaust on it.
I have a 2018 supercrew 4x4 with the 2.7L ecoboost. I got it used in January of 2021 with 52K on the odometer. The milage today is the mid 70's. My truck has been nothing but a solid workhorse. The best highway milage I have gotten is 29.5@56MPH and 24@70MPH.
In the city 21mpg is the best I have gotten. When the adult in me stays home and the inner teenager escapes, those quick spooling turbos always put a large smile on my face.
RDS - Glad the 2.7 is treating you well! Thanks for sharing your valuable experience.
I have a 2018 F150 supercrew 4x4, 2.7 ecoboost, with 3.73 rear gears. Has 153,000 miles on original everything except a spark plug change. I change my oil every 5k-7k miles. I don’t believe you get 29 miles per gallon unless you have single cab 2 wheel drive and you weigh 100 pounds lol. I do get 22mpg average, so the mileage is pretty dang good for a full size pickup that beats a lot of the midsize trucks in power and fuel efficiency. The 2.7 is fords ooops we made it to good engine. 2.7 was designed to be a twin turbocharged engine and the block is made out of the same material as the 6.7 powerstroke. The 2.7 is more durable than the 3.5.
@@Lee-zi1zb I can see the 2.7 getting 29mpg at 56mph my 2013 3.5 would get 21 to 22 mpg at 65 mph best was 22.8 with 91 octane with no ethanol but since owning the truck I put 10 ply tires on it as well as a aftermarket bumper with full brush guard that weighs 300 pounds over the factory bumper and a homemade bed rack that wieghs around 200 pounds. As it sits with a full tank of fuel the truck wieghs 6480 pounds and would get 17 to 17.5 and after installing a tune I've gotten back up to 18.5 to 19 mpg and thats calculated at the pump and not based off the trucks computer
I am contemplating v8 5.0 vs ecoboost 2.7. I am trying to get a deal on a 2023 trucks still on the lot. The 3.6L is not one of the 5 to choose from. MY QUESTIONs, what kind of towing do you do? How about general highway driving (with or without towing)? I do not do anything crazy, but will use the truck as a truck! lol Thanks for any help!! Rich
@@ottoschwandt6527 The 2.7L ecoboost will tow and haul anything anyone has an business towing or hauling with a half ton truck. By the time you factor in tongue weight, suspension limitations and tire construction limitations, the 2.7L is more than enough. Factor in better fuel economy than both the 3.5L and the 5.0L, for me it was a no brainer.
Man, great explanation for those of us that really did not understand all these choices. I guess the I had the 8 cyl in mind but now I might do with the 3.5, save some gaz! Thanks.
R - Glad it helped! Keep us updated.
I have a 3.5 2014 and really happy with it
Sky - Thanks for adding your experience!
I have a 2015 fx4 ext. cab 2.7 eco boost I live in Baja best truck I have ever owned. Towed my boat 20 cc 1500 miles from ca. with the boat and bed loaded back in 2016 when I moved avg. almost 14 mpg through the mountains of Baja in 100 deg. temps no problem still runs great no problems yet
2213 - Thanks for sharing your experience!
Does 20 cc mean 20' center console? I'm wondering considering this truck/engine combo but concerned about it pulling a 21' bay boat ~ 4000# or so.
yes 20' center console 150 Yamha 80 gallon tank tandem wheel pacific trailer. my truck is rated to tow 7300.
I have a 2nd Gen 3.5L and I added a catch can @ around 400 miles and it’s definitely doing it’s job. Cheap insurance as it’s catching enough oil that’s not making its way back into the intake to mess things up.
Brandon - Thanks for sharing your experience! This will help future viewers.
My 2018 Fusion Sport is powered by this 2.7L ecoboost transversely. That and the AWD Torque Vectoring system and the amazing suspension makes this car a thrill ride. Although it looks like Granny's grocery getter, one can be confident at any stoplight drag or running through a windy road. It is bit light at 260 kph but has no problem getting there.
John - Thanks for sharing your first hand experience!
Very informative. Thanks!
H - Thanks for the feedback! We hope it was helpful.
Great to hear all the plus to the motor . I just purchased a 2023 with the same motor and love it. The Platinum gets the Raptor motor
Awesome, great pickup!
Great review! I bought my son's 2015 2.7L F150 Lariat SuperCrew 4x4 with the 6-speed trans. Love it! I've averaged 19.3 MPG and now have just over 140,000 trouble-free miles on it. When he sold it, he bought a 2018 Roush Raptor 3.5L Supercharged, 10 spd. trans., etc. and he's a tad quicker, but it rides rough and has a lot of drive-train noise, so he's always asking if I want to sell his Lariat back for what I paid for it... 😜
H - Thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like you got a good deal.
Guys lot of folks on here know more about engines than I ever will, but bought my 2.7 EB F150 3.55 with 4wd super crew in 2017 brand new, done oil changes religiously every 5K and try not to get to much into the boost, but it is so much fun! I’m at 87K and not the first problem. Get 20.4 mpg in town and around 23 on highway. Been 87k put on her so for and not the first problem, I’m hoping she’ll do 87K more, but so far been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and funnest to drive, course I owned some crappy vehicles in my time, this is the nicest even being a lowly STX.
Poppy - By the way it's sounding, she'll easily last 87k more! 2.7's are great engines. Keep us updated!
My 2018 f150 has the 2.7 and its powerful and smooth i really love it
M S - Thanks for sharing your experience! How many miles do you have on it and what vehicle do you have?
@@8020Media 91k miles and a f150
Thanks for sharing M S! Hope you get another 100,000 miles or more out of it.
Good review! I just bought a '19 with the 3.5 with towing options, replacing a diesel F350 similarly equipped. Going to be an interesting comparison since the diesel had a great towing capacity for our 12,000# 5th wheel. We will be downsizing to a conventional trailer and hope it does as well. I'm surprised that Ford has downgraded the 5.0 so much since it was ny first choice until I did my homework having had a couple along with other gassers.
JD - Keep us updated on how it does! We will also have a 3.5 vs 5.0 comparison video coming out next week.
Looks to me like Ford has been steadily updating the five point out every few years. The 3.5 has always been the top dog in the F150 since it came out in 2011. That hasn’t changed in unless they do some type of forced induction on the 5 L,There’s no way for the 5 L V-8 to Have the torque and pulling power of the 3.5 eco-boost.I had two different 3,5s, They pull like a diesel you’re gonna love it. You won’t love the pulling mpg but that’s the price of having big horsepower towing with gasoline
@@JohnDiMartino The 3.5 (36 gallon gas tank) can't be any worse then the 3V/ '06 V10 that I had before the 6.7. With the V10 you had to plan the next gas stop as you left the current gas station with the dinky 28 gallon tank and 7-8mpg (if lucky and no big hills)
It’s not that the 5.0 was downgraded, it’s that the 3.5 has been continuously improving specifically for the trucks, but the coyotes improvements are mostly beneficial for the mustangs.
Nice review Zach. I recently bought a 2.7L with 36 gallon tank and love the gas mileage and performance of these aluminum built trucks. The truck feels lighter than my previous explorer and the amount of torque is more than enough for towing small trailers which I do on occasion. I don't do much off-roading but I'm very happy I did not go with the 3.5L.
Tom - Thanks for the feedback and sharing your experience. This helps future viewers!
The 2.7 is a great engine only thing you must do is change the oil every 5k miles with synthetic
Tim - We couldn’t agree more!
The range is insane with the big tank😅
@@timschultes6467 I've changed my "Amsoil" on my 2015 2.7 every 15k miles and my oil filter every 7.5k miles since new. I commute 100 miles @day for work. 224k and still no issues.
Issues were more common on the first generation 3.5 Ecoboost. The second generation 3.5 is a reliable powerhouse!
Carden - We couldn't agree more!
What year of F-150 got the first generation, and since what generation did the F-150 get the second generation? Thanks if you know.
@@8020Media Great video. What year of F-150 got the first generation, and since what generation did the F-150 get the second generation? Thanks if you know.
@@ognqski 2011-2016 F150 has gen 1. 2017-current has the more reliable gen 2
@@13cardenk Perfect. Many thanks.
I have a 2022 f150 with the 2.7 with 3:55 gears, I purchased a 2022 grand design transcend xplor travel trailer the trailer has a dry weight of 5389 and loaded around 6300. It's just myself and my wife, the truck does great I only go 65 on interstates but once I tested it and 70 was no problem at all. I think ford under estimates the 2.7. That engine is a work horse, I had the 5.0 in my last f150 and I will take the 2.7.
Frank - Thanks for providing your valuable experience! This will certainly help future viewers.
I’m straight 5.0 all the way. I’ve got 2 F150’s and a Mustang GT with it. But damn. I’m looking forward to getting a Ranger with the 2.7 when it becomes available
J - Sounds like you’ve got some nice rides. Keep us posted on the 2.7!
Excellent information, Thank You.
Ranger - Thanks for the feedback! Hope it helped out.
I love my 2.7. My previous truck was a Silverado with the 5.3. This truck gets 20 mpg city compared to 14 unloaded and also tows my camper better. Load economy is only slightly better but nothing to write home about. The torque is stronger and comes in at a lower RPM. It is very diesel like in its power delivery. I have had both a 6.0 and a 7.3 diesels (regret trading that 7.3 for the 6.0) and this truck is very similar, just towing 2000 lbs less. My F-150 is 4 years old and trouble free, it makes me a little frustrated that I could not take advantage of the warranty like I did my 6.0
JL - Thanks for sharing your experience! We’ve got a 2002 7.3 with 165k miles on it and absolutely love it. Don’t think we’ll ever get rid of it until we absolutely have to. We hope you get 4+ more years out of the 2.7 without any major issues. Keep us posted.
I have a 2019 2.7 and I average 17mpg. Granted I tend to have a heavy foot, but even when I go normal highway speeds I only get about 18/19 mpg. I don’t believe the mpg rating is correct from my experience. I’m curious if you ever get higher mpg than 20 because I don’t.
@@ianthompson5575 My daily commute is 10 miles each way on 35-40 mph roads with few traffic lights. I'm guessing that is why I get good milage. I get 22-23 on the interstate with no wind. Bucking a wind though I have got as low as 14-15. These are also summer numbers, winter city milage is 16-17. Also a possible contributing factor is that mine is an extended cab STX truck. If you have a crew cab platinum you could weigh 1000lb more.
@@jlvacations712 oh okay i have the extened cab xlt. i have 50 miles of highway everyday. i average about 17/18. with head wind i normally get around 16.
@@ianthompson5575 I do I’m averaging about 22MPG highway at 75MPH
Nice work! The 2.7L has a CGI block, which I “think” the 3.5 is all aluminum. It appears the 2.7 was designed to be turbocharged from the start whereas the 3.5 was modified to work with Turbos.
Mwild - Thanks for the support and insight!
The 2.7 block is lighter, so my buddies don't get why I can hang with their 5.0 and 3.5 EcoBoost respectively, even with a seven-inch lift in the front and six in the rear w/35 mud tires.
@@louisballentine8081 Mine's just leveled w/Bilsteins (2-1/2" front, 1" rear) and I'm running some pretty heavy 33's (Kenda Klever RT's). Looks really good, not too high. But yeah, the new aluminum bodies and the lightweight "nano" make for a much lighter truck compared to it's predecessors. For sure. It "almost" handles like a damn sportscar.
The 3.5 2017 ho has forged internals
Great video! Thank you
Jon - Thanks for the feedback! We hope it was helpful.
In the market for a 2.7L, but from what I can find, they only come in extended cab with 6.6' bed, or full 4 door and shorter 5' bed. As a contractor, I'd like a full 4 door and 6.6' bed, but would need to get a 5.0 or 3.5eb. I think the fuel savings of the 2.7 will outweigh the lack of rear independent doors.
I believe for 2023 at least (if you are looking brand new) you can get a 4 door and the 6 1/2 bed with the 2.7. Outside of the fuel savings the other consideration is getting the 5.0 or 3.5 does make it a bit more expensive. There is the 3.5 Powerboost too that gets mileage comparable to the 2.7, but it's a bit more expensive of an upgrade.
The Supercab is pretty roomy. It's a pain in the ass with groceries, but other than that I'm really happy with it. I just can't do less than a 6.5' bed. For that reason, I'd rather have a single cab than a crew cab, but then I'd have to put a toolbox in the bed for all my stuff, which shortens the bed back down to 6.5' anyway. So I opted for the SC. It comes in handy for my 3 dogs too.
I love the 2.7 in my fusion sport. It gets 22 mpg mixed city/highway driving. It has been the best vehicle I’ve ever had in the snow - goes like a tank! It’s currently tuned by Livernois on 93 and it’ll run with a lot of higher end cars on the road. I’m at 82k miles and no matter what I throw at her she’s always ready for more, she revs strong like a diesel and has a V8-like torque band that makes it so fun to drive.
Love hearing this. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'll bet! The "Nano" handles big heavy F150's better than any stock V8 ever has, so I can just imagine the raw power that you're enjoying in that little Ford Fusion, especially since you've tuned it. Mines tuned too. I nicknamed my truck the "Jack Rabbit!" lol! There's sooo much low end torque that on wet highways, I have to drive in 4H to prevent spinning out when just trying to "accelerate," even at high speeds, 75+ mph. I'm not flooring it or anything, yet I've still come close to a few potentially very bad accidents because of it anyway. Scary shit.
I pull my 8,000lb camper with the 2.7L. It does great but no big hills in my area too. I like the compacted iron graphite block. 3.5 is aluminum.
T - Thanks for sharing your experience!
What interstates/highways do you run? I am contemplating v8 5.0 vs ecoboost 2.7. I am trying to get a deal on a 2023 trucks still on the lot. The 3.6L is not one of the 5 to choose from. MY QUESTIONs, what kind of towing do you do? How about general highway driving (with or without towing)? I do not do anything crazy, but will use the truck as a truck! lol Thanks for any help!! Rich
Had a 2.7 Eco and it had great mileage BUT< towing a 9200 lb travel trailer, had waste gate issues. Also, F150 very light and that caused trailer sway when meeting 18 wheelers on two lane roads. Great truck without trailer, just needed more weight to keep trailer behind the truck and not on the side of it towing
Michael - Thanks for sharing your experience!
Dang, I'd hate to be your mule!
You need to check what the weight on the hitch ball really is, you want at least 13%, . And depending on what yr your truck is you may be over the limit of what that truck can tow
A great friend has a 2.7 , 2011 model. We've used it to haul tractors with. Its amazing at the disposable power it has. I would love to have one in my 87 Chevrolet 4x4 Silverado. If i got one from a junkyard, how hard would it be to get everything hooked up. Im assuming it would need to have the transmission that went with it. Or would it take the forward thrust of a flywheel, and clutch? I am a machinist , so making it fit wont be a problem. I know nothing about how to hook everything up. Like does it hafta use everything in the dash to work? His truck has options in the engine control that i know nothing about. He programs it for towing , or regular driving. Also it shows mpg on the fly. Would it need all of this to do a basic swap into an antique?
Just buy a Ford and junk that Chevy
Whatever engine you decide to get from Ford you CAN NOT ignore or extend service intervals. Use only full synthetic and change at 6k miles. Only use what is specified for your engine 5w20 or 5w30 etc. Don't idle for extended periods and get on it on the highway often. Using a quality gas is also helpful. If you beat these motors up and skimp on the service you will certainly pay dearly. If you tow anything heavy often the 3.5 and 5.0 is your best option. The 2.7 is the best overall option for light to heavy towing occasionally. For my money I'm choosing the 5.0 V8. But you can't go wrong with either engine especially with port injection added.
Mojo - This is some great insight. This will certainly help future viewers!
2.7, by God, it was the best, powerful engine, like a rubber band. No matter how much pressure you put on the engine, it didn't care
Sam - We agree! What vehicle did you have with the 2.7?
...and it looks like the 2.7 cam cover now has a "built in" PCV oil/vapour separator (catch can) to minimize oil going into the intake causing build up... 🙂
Robert - Thanks for sharing this valuable insight!
What year did they start doing this do you know? I have a 2021 just wondering if I made the cut on the changes…
The 2.7 gen 1s ran anywhere from 2015-2020, which varies from vehicle to vehicle. The Gen 2s started in 2018 in the F150s and 2021 in the bronco. So just depends on what vehicle you.
@@bigbadbeaver86 I only know that it seems to be in place on the 2nd gen F150 2.7s... 🙂
There was a guy going around the Ford dealer asking employees what engine they would want, i noticed pretty much all the guys they worked on them said 5.0 while the people who didn't work on them said Ecoboost.
All - We'd believe it!
The guys that said they liked the five oh have a boat payment to make
I use to have a SuperChips tuned '17 3.5EB with 4x2, then went to a Dodge Charger...Now I'm looking to get back into a truck.
How well does the 2.7 move the wheels if I get 4x4 and 33" tires?
Honestly I can't speak from experience here so might be best to find some forum/fb guys that are running big tire setups on their 2.7's. You'll certainly lose a bit of acceleration and definitely some mpg's from it but you can always drop a tune or some light mods on it if you want a little extra power to compensate for the bigger tires.
That how my truck is set up, plus it's leveled. The 2.7 still burns rubber like crazy. And those Kenda Klever RT's are some pretty heavy tires.
That how my truck is set up, plus it's leveled. My 2.7 still burns rubber like crazy. And those Kenda Klever RT's are some pretty heavy tires.
I know I'm a little late to the party here but..i have a '16 2.7 with 217,000 on the odometer. Ive replaced a turbo and a front differential and that's it! Turbo around 175,000 diff at 87,000! Other turbo is giving me issues right now but i think it's carbon. I love my truck! It's been very reliable for me.
7 - Not late at all. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I am even later to the party!! I am contemplating v8 5.0 vs ecoboost 2.7. I am trying to get a deal on a 2023 trucks still on the lot. The 3.6L is not one of the 5 to choose from. MY QUESTIONs, what kind of towing do you do? How about general highway driving (with or without towing)? I do not do anything crazy, but will use the truck as a truck! lol Thanks for any help!! Rich
Are the turbos very expensive?
@ottoschwandt6527 I have a '17 with the 2.7 and have towed a boat / trailer combination that weighs right about 5,000# the past 5 years in some flat and some pretty hilly terrain. I put heavier Cooper Rugged Treks on at about 50k and there was a slight loss in zip but still has plenty of grunt. I lost about 1 to 1.5 mpg towing with those tires as well but all very acceptable to me. Never had any issues getting up to speed, and the truck tows that package confidently. I tow 4k to 5k miles each year. The truck has 65k miles and only issue I had was that squirrels ate part of my wiring harness. Been happy with the truck and engine. It's done everything I have asked of it and never broken a sweat.
Thank you All! We ended up with the 5.0L simply because we got 2023 $10k under sticker and 1.9%.
Can't wait to see what the 2.7 does in the new Ranger when it's available. Might be a better deal than the Raptor. The 2.7 can be tuned quite well.
We couldn’t agree more!
Make friends with someone owning a 2017-8 Fusion Sport. It has this engine and it will sink you into your seat or make you happy the seat bolsters hold you in the corners.
I had a Ranger loaner for a week because I was thinking about buying one for the wife. Didn't like driving it at all. I guess I'm spoiled with my full size F150. Ended up buying her the Explorer instead.
Are the motor mounts between the 3.5 & 2.7 the same? Wanting to swap out a 3.5 in to my Bronco 2.7.
M - Are you buying a 3.5 EB or pulling it out of an F-150?
@@8020Media We just bought a 2023 Bronco with the 2.7. I was looking at just sourcing a 3.5 to replace the 2.7. Hoping it all had the same general mounting direct injection and what not to be an easy swap.
M - From what we've heard it is quite difficult, & expensive, to do this, but man would it be a hot rod.. We'll have to do a little more research on this to figure it out. However, if you end up doing this, it might as well be worth getting aftermarket mounts. Just a thought. Keep us updated!
What do you think of the water pump being inside the 3.5? Have you seen one go bad?
The 3.5 EcoBoost in trucks uses an external water pump. Internal pumps are found on the cars, which does make labor a little more expensive. There are also some concerns about coolant mixing with oil, so it's important to catch the problem in a timely manner. The water pump is a pretty common replacement on most engines around 100,000 to 150,000 miles, and that's roughly the ballpark where 3.5 EcoBoost water pumps fail.
Ultimately, the internal water pump design isn't the greatest since water pumps are common replacements during the lifespan of an engine. It's also not the worst design, though. Some BMW electric water pumps fail as frequently as 50,000 to 70,000 miles and they're $400-500+ just for the pump.
@@8020Media Thanks so much for clearing this up for me. I thought the trucks had internal water pumps. I'm an old shade tree mechanic. I have no experience with the ecoboost. That is great that the 3.5 trucks have external pumps.
Only FWD 3.5s got the timing chain driven water pump
only cars(non-trucks) that had the cyclone/duratec engines placed transversely had those internal water pumps. ie .edge explorer taurus flex etc..
mustangs and f150s never had to worry about that. because they sat longitudilly and not transverse.
Found your video while trying to research the two ford EB engines. For context I have an 06 gmc Sierra with the 4.8l in 2wd. I’m looking for a daily driver as well as something to pull my 6x12 dirtbike trailer on the weekend. My 4.8l screams to go 70mph and I’m trying to get away from that. With that in mind is the 2.7 enough to pull a 6x12 with ease? Looking for recommendations.
Cory - the 2.7 should do just fine, it has I think a bit more than +100 torque over your 4.8L so I think you'll notice a pretty good increase in towing. Certainly wouldn't need the 3.5 or a bigger gas engine to pull something of that size.
The 2.7 will pull your motorcycle trailer with ease. It can pull up to 9,000lbs
my 4.8LS is in a 2009 Silverado. Best V8 engine I have ever had. Designed from scratch for trucks. They used a few in full size SUVs. Before you ditch your 4.8 consider having a professional put it on the scope. It might just be a configuration error. FYI
I tow 3 full size Utility ATV's using my large trailer and my 2.7 with all the low end torque tows with ease. Keep in mind my 2018 Super Crew 4x4 XLT Sport with 3.55 gears tows 7800lbs based on the way the truck is spec'd. a regular cab 4x2 XL would tow the max rating. The 10spd trans is also a big plus in the new gen trucks.
@@marcolcorreia Agree about the 10 speed
i’m looking into the 2023 3.5 and the 2.7 f150 xlt…you mentioned that the 2.7 will have better mpg but is it by a big margin?
2crazy - The 2.7 gets 20/26 mpg (City/Highway) and the 3.5 gets 18/25 mpg. So to answer your question, it’s not a huge margin. Over time you’ll obviously end up paying more on gas for the 3.5, but not a huge difference.
I have a 2022 2.7 full cab fx4 3.55 rear end. If I go slow and hold 60mph I can get 27mpg I've seen better but it becomes unrealistic. From key west to VA I averaged 25mpg. Keeping the speed limits. I'm a gentle driver so I usually see the best numbers the truck can return. I've never seen anything below 21mpg with a lot of city. I calibrated my mpg display to the pump. Usually truck is .5mpg under what the pump says.... if your not going to be towing on the highway over mountains a tone id suggest the 2.7. But with my 20ft camper I was able to go as fast as normal traffic up a typical mountain pass. Didn't drop below 7th gear so that was neat... if I need more power I'm probably towing something I shouldn't, is how I feel...
Nicholas - Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@8020Media and the 3.5 will cost another $2000 over the 2.7 when buying it
Hey, any advise would be appreciated.....my towing would be 6x10 steel trailer, but not that often. Mostly long road trips with bed loaded with more volume than weight. I am contemplating v8 5.0 vs ecoboost 2.7. I am trying to get a deal on a 2023 trucks still on the lot. The 3.6L is not one of the 5 to choose from. MY QUESTIONs, what kind of towing do you do? How about general highway driving (with or without towing)? I do not do anything crazy, but will use the truck as a truck! lol Thanks for any help!! Rich@@nicholas2932
Keep in mind, these are two wholly unrelated engines. The 3.5l is a familial derived Duratec V6 motor, harkening all the way back to the original 2.5 Mazda V6 in some ways. It is far more heavily built than its naturally aspirated predecessors of course, including 6 bolt main bearings , but some things do remain. The biggest letdown, in terms of maintenance, is the water pump being timing driven, which puts it behind the timing cover. It's an expensive component to replace because of that, and it increases the risk of coolant intrusion in motor oil. This is a very common feature in car motors, because it makes the motor more compact, for that use case. Under-hood real estate is not a huge concern for trucks. The 2.7L was designed in Cologne, Germany from scratch. It is likely the most overbuilt turbocharged gasoline engine in a production vehicle to date. it's basically a diesel engine structurally, with some trick design elements that save space and extend serviceability like integrated exhaust manifolds. Those manifolds also put those turbos all up in the combustion chamber's business, giving absurd boost response. It also has asymmetrical connecting rods that apply torque at a more perpendicular axis to the crankshaft, and a compressed graphite iron engine block. Its oil filter housing is part of the front cover casting, so it doesn't suffer constant oil cooler housing leaks (looking at you Chrysler.). There is a weak point to it. The oil pump is driven by a flooded belt. In and of itself, not a bad thing, but they require more regular replacement. The issue lies with the fact that the crank sprocket is behind the timing chains. So something that should be accessible from removing the oil pan only, requires timing chain removal. It still has an advantage in that a pressure sender will notify you with a check engine light almost immediately with a drop in oil pressure associated with a pump belt break. Not so with coolant intrusion from a timing driven water pump. You get to find that out when your next oil change looks like a milkshake, and your truck keeps wanting to overheat. That being said, a truck with no oil pressure, is a parked truck. Almost all of the oil leak issues with the oil pans is due to the polymer pans being sealed with RTV from 2015-2020. The most recent pan revision fits all previous motors and comes with a built-in o-ring style gasket instead. This makes sense, as it is a polymer surface, mated to metal. I think they also slightly re-did the baffles. Realistically, no one will tow more than 9500lbs with a half ton if they are savvy. Half tons are a little scary above that stability-wise. As far as personality, The 5.0L swells, the 3.5L pushes, the 2.7L yanks, and the 3.3L makes noise.
A note, the 2.7L, 3.5L and 5.0L are all within 10lbs of weight of each other. Make of that what you will.
Bean - Thanks for taking the time to write all of this insight out. It is certainly helpful for future viewers!
@@BeanoNoir How is that even possible?
Thank you
What do you mean by the 3.5 pushes and the 2.7 yanks?
very knowledgable commentary. personally, im passing on all turbo motors because I dont have the stomach to pay for the inevitable high dollar repairs.
D - Thanks for the feedback! Not a bad rule to live by. We personally love turbo's but understand your point.
When getting that n/a v8 instead you just pay all the time with the high dollar repairs
If you're doing a lot of towing, get the 3.5. You won't regret it, BTW use premium in any turbo engine for the most effective performance
Lj - Thanks for sharing this insight! We couldn't agree more.
It was actually designed to use 87 oct, 91 when towing but not necessary/required
P - We always recommend using premium. But thanks for the insight.
im looking to get a 1-50 and stuck betwenn 2,7, 3.5. leaning towards 2.7 but want your opinion. i would most never tow anything, but here and there. were looking to get a small 4-6 perosn sleeer popup trialer, but even if i tow that, it would only be 2-3 times a year. i live in MN so not many mountians unless when we travel. so im guessing the 2.7 is good for 90% of what i do, but do you think bec i may pull a pop up camper it would take me over the 10k tow capacity?
also thoughts on 4x2 vs. 4x4? i live in MN , but i dont have 4x4 in my car and usually fine. heck my wife has a suv with 4x4 and we never use it. bu its the what if i need it. any reason i should get 4x4? its just that it adds 5k to go form 4x2 to 4x4
If you aren't dropping a boat in the water or doing some offroad driving with your camper then I wouldn't think you would really need the 4x4. Also guessing your popup camper is nowhere near 10k pounds so I think the 2.7 would work just fine. 3.5 would just give you a bit more power but if you don't care too much about that then I would say saving the money and getting a 2.7 will do.
I’ve dealt with 2wd trucks in snow country and all I can say is ( unless traction control can fix it) JUST DONT. 2 wd Trucks are so horribly handicapped compared to the worst cars as far as I’ve seen. Limited slip diff is worse than the cheapest front wheel drive econobox. Maby🤔 just maybe with very aggressive tires it would work well but if it was me I’d think real hard on going cheap here in snow country unless I had another truck or could use it only when I wanted to go ,like being retired ( can wait for weather) ect.
@@drizler unless you have a LS rear end and a LS frt differential in a 4x4 all you have is a glorified 2wd.
Using your analogy, I wonder how people drove their vehicles in the snow before the four wheel drive fad started back in the 90’s? Folks sat around waitin for the snow to melt? 2wd with limited slip and with a decent set of tires works fine
@@paulhunter9613 they drove them around with 200-500 lbs of weight in the back. My favorites were the ones with loose cinder blocks in the box. I always wondered what happen ends when they hit a tree and those blocks or sandbags came through the back window .
@@drizler I don’t understand why they would drive into a tree but if they did I don’t think they would be concerned about cinder blocks coming thru the back window
I bought a 2016 F150 2.7 new. It has 90k miles and I have not had carbon build up. My oil pan does not leak either. Maybe I'm not having problems because no one has ever change my oil but me.
Have you pulled the intake manifold and inspected the valves? Really the only way to tell, I'd guess you do have some just maybe not enough to show any notable signs.
@@8020Media Yes I have removed the intake @ 69k miles. I have a video on my channel where I replaced the coolant temp sensor instead of the cylinder head sensor.
what about the wet belt issues?
Ennes - Wet belt is a huge issue in the 1.0 EcoBoosts. We haven't seen it as a huge issue on either of theses EcoBoosts.
TY. 👍
B - Thanks for the feedback! We hope it helped.
What about the 3.0 EcoBoost? I hope you make a video about it.
We'll make note of this and put it on our list for a video in the future. Stay tuned!
I'm waiting👍🏻
Are you talking about the 3.0 in the bronco raptor
@@teejayy630 yea
We just uploaded the 3.0 EcoBoost video. Let us know your thoughts and thanks for the suggestion!
The 2.7 oil pump belt, are they problematic?
Yes.
Just as problematic as the 5.0, it has the same wet belt
The 2.7 ecoboost is bulletproof like a Toyota I have 2021 with 60,000 miles with payload in back 2000 lbs and no issues always pickup quick like it has no weight in back freeway miles mostly have change brakes either yet so far very impressive truck compared to what I had a Toyota long time ago in 2008 changing the brakes every 12,000 miles and had to change the radiator one time at 80,000 miles and that’s about it trade it in at 130,000 mile Ford three of them already prove that they’re pretty good trucks
Killer - Thanks for sharing your experience! We certainly wouldn't compare it to a Toyota, but everyone is held to their own opinion!
Maybe a mustang 2.3 to a 3.5 pros vs cons video would be nice
Gaby - We'll add this to our schedule! Thanks for the suggestion.
Isn't the 2.7 dropping valves in the bronco and having several other failures? Are there differences bt the 2.7 in the Bronco vs F150?
That valve problem was a limited batch caused by supplier issues not a design flaw.
@@anthonys7534 good to know! Thanks
Anthony - Thanks for the response here.
Any know the F150 MPG with 2.7 and 3.73 gears? Real world city and highway.
Erik - I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, did some googling but I don't think Ford differentiates gas mileage based on the gearing so hard to say. If you want "real world" figures then I'd suggest looking at data from Fuelly.com - should be able to find enough data points in there. Caveat I guess is probably with the gearing as I'm guessing most people get their 2.7's with the 3.15 or 3.55 gearing since the 2.7 isn't really the most popular for towing.
I have a 2018 2.7 with the 3.73 gears. I get 19.6 mpg around town and 21 on the highway
I have a 2017 STX 4x4 2.7 with 3.73 gears. Since it was new I've always averaged right at 20 mpg, give or take a tenth. The 2.7 has a nimble tourque drive feel compared to the 5.0, and even more so with the 3.73 gears. Running in sport mode does not even hurt my mpg. In sport mode you just touch the accelerator peddle and it goes.
I will say, when I pull my Kubota tractor with the 20 foot trailer, my MPG drops to 12-13 mpg, but it pulls it with ease.
is all 2.7 l come with turbo ?
2.7 EcoBoosts, yes.
Sure, with the Ecoboosts just a tune can add tons of power, but on the 3.5 they put the water pump under the timing cover, making a commonly replaced part a 16 hour job. I'll always choose the 5.0 for its reliability and for the fact that the water pump is a 2 hour job to replace. Maybe 1 hour for me. At least if the water pump fails, you won't have coolant in your oil like on the 3.5
2.7 doesn't have that problem, but a V6 in a full size pickup is completely pointless. You'll get maybe 1 more MPG than the 5.0. Whoopeee.
Trivium - Everyone is held to their own opinion. Yes, the placement of the water pump is not ideal, but still a great engine.
@TheTriviumhead
Interesting opinion
The water pump is EXTERNAL on the 3,5 in the truck. Internal on the transverse mount such as explorer or edge
I think the 2.7 is more robustly built than the 3.5. The 3.5 is more powerful and proven in service. I have a 2016 F150 with 2.7l and93k miles,no issues whatsoever. We tow a 30ft ultralight bunkhouse about 6000lbs.
Andrew - Thanks for sharing your experience! We think both are great engines.
What about blown head gaskets in the 3.5L? That happens a lot.
T - Can certainly happen. "A lot" might be aggressive, but yes, it does happen.
@@8020Media and then the engine starts burning coolant
T - Again, yes, can happen.
You left out one important detail. The 2.7 "Nano" is faster than the 3.5 on the drag strip. They're also totally different engines. I don't think most people are aware of that.
😂😂
Unlike the 3.5, the 2.7 is built for racing.
Certainly a hot take haha, pretty sure the 3.5 does the quarter in 13.7s and the 2.7 does it in 14.8s.
2.7 is quicker than the 3.5 and even the 5.0
@@8020Media Dude, the 2.7 nano will outrun a Challenger with a hemi.
The 2.7 L has a more robust capable of handling more psi because of the main cap bearing configuration architecture…
C - Thanks for sharing this insight.
@@8020Media Ford created the main bearings and caps with diesel technology 👍🏻for strength and rigidity
Really want to get a 2.7 STX but I refuse to pay $10k more for MSRP than they were two years ago for pretty much the exact same truck.
Tom - We agree..
Get ready. Prices will be dropping soon.
Brick - That's the hope!
Which engine is more reliable? 2.7 or 3.5 or 5.0?
Julian - There's many things to take into consideration here. But typically naturally aspirated engines are more reliable.
no one ever talks about the excellent 2.7 in the Fusion application - zero mechanical issues in 120K miles!! only EGR minor vacuum leak.
Tony - Thanks for adding your experience! We have heard some good things for the 2.7 in the Fusion.
@@8020Media i absolutely love it. It has very tall gearing in the transaxle final drive so cruising comfortably at 90-95 is very relaxed. I have touched 130-135 many times on my daily commute to work 👍🏼
Which is more reliable
In our opinion, they are equal in reliability. We would avoid Gen 1s, but other than that, they both very reliable if maintained properly.
I'm sure some of the surprising disappointment had to be a result of the driver- but today, as much of a Ford man as I am.. I was SEVERELY disappointed today when an Ecoboost F-150 could NOT, at full wide open throttle going up the 2 lane onramp to the interstate beside me, even keep up with my 225k miles 2003 Mazda Protege LX, bone stock 2.0l N/A making a WHOPPING 103hp iirc and an earth shattering 86 ft.-lbs of torque. --Oh yeah, around town Mazda averages 24-25.3MPG on 100% gasoline and closer to 21MPg on regular unleaded. On the interstate while cruising 75 most of the way for a 3 hour nonstop driive- I still get 30.5 MPG regular
the F-150 was not misfiring any, making ANY odd noises while idling at the last red light we were at. We both got to the 2 lanes for the interstate, side by side evenly and after 3 honks punched it from my 2nd gear. our 2nd to 3rd gear shift was the exact same time. My Mazda started slowly but steadily inching ahead of the truck in 3rd, and by the time I hit my 4th gear his nose was even with my rear wheelwell at 67MPH. When I hit 75MPH he was roughly half a car length behind me on the interstate. I was surprised because with my window down, I could hear that truck was giving it everything it had just to stay even with me through 1st & 2nd gears.
It proves just because it looks good on paper, like having a college diploma does, it doesnt mean it will actually do you any good.
D - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!
2022 ecoboost is availible at 430hp and 570 ft-lbs and its 25/25 MPG
Jay - Curious to hear what you found this information. What model can this be found in?
@8020 Media yeah its my truck I just bought haha! It's the 3.5 hybrid or the powerboost. Cheers
The PowerBoost is a bit different than the EcoBoost - it does use the base 3.5 but it has higher power output because of the electric motor. The EcoBoost itself isn't available at those power levels - even in the Ford GT it doesn't produce 570lb-ft. of torque. It's a lot higher in the PowerBoost due to the electric motor.
@@8020MediaI have the Powerboost my question would be when the electric motor assist is it taking stress off of the gas engine will this ultimately help with longevity? Or does the added stress for the engine charging the battery negate these effects? Also I usually get around 800 to 1000 electric miles between 5,000 mi oil changes should I change my oil at around 6,000 rather than 5,000? These are just deep thought questions that I have about my engine?
@@8020Media yes, it has more power because of the E motor, but at that same point, it also has more power because of the turbos. Ultimately, it's 430hp 570ft-lbs from the 3.5 powerboost. The ft-lbs is great for towing my boat! 👍
When throwing around a lot of facts/specs it would help if you put summary overlays as you keep talking
T - Thanks for the advice.
Don't forget about the internal water pump on the 3.5..
T - Very true. Thanks for adding this insight.
We need a 5.0 ecoboost!!!
Or a 6.4 ecoboost....❤❤❤
Haha a 5.0 EcoBoost would be sweet
I was tod to get the 18-20 2.7..where im leaning..
Luke - Both engines are great. It all kind of depends on what you will be using it for.
@8020Media ended up getting 2019 3.5 crew cab..mpt going to tune it..hoping phasers stay good..think 2019 they got better..
Luke - Nice! Hope you like it.
2.7 are really the best
Chris - Thanks for sharing your feedback! What’d you have a 2.7 in?
@@8020Media 2019 f150 stx
I wish it was easier to find the 2.7 in higher trim f150s
Power - We agree.
What is the best Ford truck for the money these days?
That's a little hard to answer without knowing a lot of factors. People have different needs, wants, and budgets.
@@8020Media im looking into a 2019 or 2020
4x4 and some sort of tow package for a bumper pull camper
Personally I’d rather work on a 3.5 over a 2.7.
King - Thanks for sharing your experience!
I agree with one thing he said yes it has more power and torque from factory which makes it able to tow more.... but does the 3.5 come with a Compacted graphite iron block (CGI), also known overseas as vermicular graphite iron, is a metal commonly used when cast iron is too heavy and not strong enough. CGI is approximately 75 percent stronger and 75 stiffer than gray cast iron. It is also much lighter , no it comes with an aluminum block😂 the cgi blocks in the 2.7 is the only gas engine ford made build from the ground up like a deisel the cgi blocks only came in three different engines that ford has manufactured, the 3.0 ecodeisel in the f150s and the 6.7 powerstokes, second line up any stock 2.7,3.5,5.0 or 3.3 and the 2.7 will take them all to gapplebees! 3rd the 2.7 clearly will take better to mods considering its just a more high performance engine with an engine that can handle it.
Gary - Interesting take here, but everyone is held to their own opinion. Thanks for sharing your insight.
3.5 is by far the better choice
M - Both are great engines. Different engines for different folks.
I will have the NA 5.0 please.
L - Everyone is held to their own opinion.
It's like asking what end of a turd is the best end.
E - That’s not entirely true lol
It’s 3.5 is so awesome. Why did they never put it in the Mustang?
Phillip - Very true, but there are a lot of 3.5 swaps out there that are pretty sick.
Got first gen 2.7 here… bone stock. Not I issue yet
Michael - Thanks for sharing your feedback! How many miles do you have on it?
79k still a baby
Oh, you’ve got plenty more to go!
we do too on our 2015 XLT. We had it in for it's 100k service, now at 108k and so far no problems except for the 3rd set of door actuators.
Nada - Thanks for sharing your experience! You've definitely got 100k more in it.
How about we make a bad street truck . Put the 3.5 ecoboost in a lowered Ranger making 500 pluss hp and 550ft lbs of torque . I think it will scoot
R - Could be an interesting build lol
And the 6 cylinder engine's fuel mileage is in the toilet when towing a 5000# trailer, where the V8 maintains a better fuel mileage towing the same trailer. Ask any Ford mechanic which engines are more reliable, and they will tell you the V8 by far... Mechanic recommended oil changes for the turbo engines are more like 3000 miles vs 5000 miles for the V8. You may get better mileage in the ecoboost when not towing, but that savings will go away in maintenance
Captain - Thanks for adding this insight!
Ha the perceived reliability of the v8, that’s precious
The question should be which is worse.
Sandra - Should it? Guessing you're a coyote person.
I think the Eco-boost engines were a stunning idea of Ford. My issue is with the engineering and cheaping out on small inexpensive parts. The 2.7 has a rubber belt driving the oil pump from within the tiing chaim cover. It is continually exposed to engine oil and this probably is not going to help longevity and may destroy the engine. The 3.5 problem is having the water pump inside the time cover. Water pumps will fail, and since you cant examine the pump, it will probably fail at the worse possible time, taking the engine out with it. Two reasons I wont buy a Ford.
Wicker - Thanks for sharing your feedback. Everyone has their own preferences.
@wickertwm
Mention your opinion of that belt to the owners of the 2.7’s with over 180,000- 200,000 mi
That belt doesn't seem to have any problems. It's also on the 5.0 now. The belt is rated for 1000hp. Belt in oil is nothing new, not to mention if on some engines it can run the cams with no problem then running a oil pump is nothing. Much less resistance. People like to complain about every little thing on the internet, bit I have yet to hear any problems with the 2.7 or 5.0
Tom - Thanks for the added insight here!
@@Tom-yj6mt you might start hearing of problems with the 5.0 in the next couple yrs because of the MDS that is on them now. Time will tell..
All Ecoboost engines will only last half as long at best as a naturally aspirated port injection engine. So it doesn't matter which Ecoboost is better than another. Even for the versions where they added port injection to the direct injection.....,the poor Ford quality control negates the advantage of the port injection. (The parts will fail early so it having less carbon won't matter).
Richard - I wouldn't necessarily say this is all that true. Don't think you can make the "All Ecoboost engines" remark. Have you owned an EcoBoost and had bad luck with it, which is why you're making the remarks?
@@8020Media Good point in that I have not owned an Ecoboost. But I do a lot of research. Ford does not test their new designs long enough before they go into production. So while it's promising that Ford at least did a dial port injected with direct injected version.....I don't trust the valves are quality, the hydraulic valve timing components are quality, etc. There's way more evidence any Ecoboost will fail before any port injected only engine.
To each their own. However, I do appreciate you taking the time to type this out!
@@8020Media My my point was since port injected engines only need like 40 psi fuel pressure while direct injection requires like 4,000 psi , it's just simple math that any well built naturally aspirated port injected engine will last longer than any Ecoboost engine even without Ford quality concerns.
@@hothmobile100 and like you said, you have never owned an ecoboost engine. So your facts is just your opinion. There are lots of trucks on the road with 200,000 mi on them
The belt drive oil pump makes these motors a no go for me.
Bryan - Completely understand. EcoBoost's certainly aren't for everyone.
Give me 5.0 Coyote any day!
Arend - we’re thinking about doing a 3.5 EB vs 5.0 soon. Make sure to stay tuned!
other than the sound, what do you feel is so much better about the 5.0? I have the '21 powerboost and my best friend has the '19 5.0 both are lariets and 4x4. It's been fun to compare the trucks.
Ford techs at my local dealership say they would choose the 5.0 so I lean that way myself.
@Edward Varner so glad you based your life off of people who just graduated tech school.
@@JayRSwan I'm sure that snarky comment sounded cool in your head but it's really just bitch energy if you read it again. I based my decision of engine, not my life, off of the fact that they see more repair work on the other engines, including the Godzilla motor. As such I lean the way of reliability. Hope you feel better tmrw.
WHERE'S THE BEEF
8 - What?
2.7 is not base engine… smh the naturally aspirated v6 is the base
Really depends on the trim, the 2.7 is the base for the Lariat engines in 2023. Lower trims get the 3.3 V6.
Stating in 2024 the 2.7 is the base engine. The 3.3 V-6 is no longer listed.
If I bought a new f150, it would have a coyote in it.
B - Everyone's got their own opinions. Both are solid!
2.7 has wet rubber belt in the timing ridiculous
Picazo - Thanks for adding this insight!
Only Gen 2 motors have the rubber belt.
So does the five oh
V8 engine For Me, My Neighbor has a 2.7 , Sounds Like Marbles In The Top End!
Charles - V8’s are also a great engine! Don’t think we’ve heard the 2.7 described like this before.
i buy my trucks to tow , not to listen to .
They make some strange noises on cold start, noise from waste gates and high pressure fuel pump,but once they are at operating temp I guarantee you won’t find a quieter engine.
If that’s the case then both of you guys can fire up yer engines at the same time and see whose is the loudest. The five oh has the death rattle since ‘18
@charlesharnois
If you are hearing marbles rattling, quit shaking your head…
The correct option, is obviously to turbo the 5.0
Josh - Great option. But not everyone can afford to do that.
@@8020Media , needs to be a factory option
for the f150 i would take the 5.0 v8 it will outlast the eco boost
Franc - Everybody is held to their own opinion, but this does tend to be the case.
My 2019 f150 xlt 5.0 had so many problems with the motor making all kinds of popping and whistling noises. It was in the dealership at 24k miles, 26k miles, and 30k miles for a total of 3 weeks before I got so frustrated I sold it. The 5.0 is not as reliable as you think. I traded the 2019 5.0 for a 2022 2.7 and it’s been flawless already passing the mileage on my 5.0. I had to run premium and a fuel injector treatment in it just to get some the noises to go away temporarily which was costing me $100 a week to fill up. The 5.0 gets terrible everyday real world gas mileage. Good riddance to it, it’s become outdated.
Wouldn't want either. I have never seen one not have problems before 100k.
Travis - That's fine. Everyone is held to their own opinion.
Then you clearly haven’t seen very many. Both very reliable engines.
@BrotherKyler I am a mechanic, and I have not seen one that wasn't leaking oil or coolant, or having some sort of mechanical issue. I know of a person who just just spent 20 grand on fixing the turbos, the transmission, and a couple of other issues, less than 100k, and maintained. Considering I work on 4-8 cars, trucks, etc, a day, and have been for years, your assumption on my experience with these trucks is seriously wrong. I'm assuming you own one. I would recommend you buy something different.
@@traviscoombes3578 I know many people with them, with several hundred thousand miles of reliable service. It’s all anecdotal.
My experience leads me to believe that they’re fantastic engines. That’s all I can go off of, and it’s served me well. The fact that they’re one of, if not the most common engine on US roads these days, and they continue to be Fords flagship motor, only solidifies my conclusion.
Imo the 3.5 sucks fat balls. Everyone of them smoke, rattle….Ive been loving the 2.7 ecoboost and the 5.0, I’ve owned them all
A - Everyone is held to their own opinion. They are both great engines.
@@8020Media I guess it could be good, the 7 3.5s I’ve owned all had cam phasers, timing, turbo, headgasket issues… yet I do see 3.5s with over 200k miles and still running.
A - Yep! Thanks for sharing.
I work at a ford dealership , specialize in gas engines. I love the 5.0 but ford has gone down hill with them since 2018, ide take a 2017 and back 5.0 out of all of them due to the first gen 3.5’s issues but since 2018 to current the 2nd gen 3.5 is the best overall engine ford has currently in the 3.5 the phasers are a 2018-2020 issue currently the 3.5 is the most reliable and powerful engine you can get out of the common engine options , the 2.7 is a absolute waste of money as far as power and reliability compared to the 3.5 the The 2.7 is a nightmare to work on and everytime we have one come in it’s normally ended up being a cylinder head , broke. Sprocket on the crank shaft for the vct sprockets , or something wrong with the turbos just stating what I see between the 3 main engine options
Ranked by generation
2011-14 ( 1st gen for both )
1. 5.0
2. 3.5
15-17 ( 2nd gen 5.0 , 1st gen 3.5 still , 1st gen 2.7
1. 5.0
2. 3.5
3. 2.7
2018-current( 3rd gen 5.0 , 2nd gen 3.5, 2nd gen 2.7 )
1. 3.5
2. 5.0
3. 2.7
The 2.7 is not that great and it’s worth it to upgrade to a 5.0 or 3.5
Logan - Thanks for taking the time to add this valuable insight!
@loganmuncy
Interesting opinion
Heard both these motors are terrible, to stick with the 5.0. I'll be in the market next year.
Adrian - I wouldn't say either engine is terrible. Both of these and the 5.0 are great engines.
There’s nothing like a good old V-8 5.0 engine. 3.5 TwinTurbo is an excellent motor just too much crap that goes wrong with it it’s kind of like a little mini diesel motor and now there’s 2.7 with oil pan leaks and carbon buildup as well. Forget about all that V-8 engine with none of those turbo issues will last you for a long time change the oil in it take care of it and it’ll run forever.
George - Very true! Everyone is held to their own opinion, but you bring up some solid points.
The oil pan leak and carbon buildup is no longer an issue, it’s been fixed yrs ago. And there are not many turbo failures like you want to believe
Now with that old v8 you will see a lot of problems, high oil consumption, the cold death rattle, the MDS system, the spray on coatings on piston walls, and a couple other issues that I’m not going to take the time to type
2.7 has a rubber belt that drives the oil pump. I'll never buy a 2.7
Jaff - Very true, but still a decent engine!
Promise?
They are opposite sides of the same butt cheek. Unless you have unlimited patience and a huge repair budget, avoid small displacement turbo charged engines. They will forever be in the shop, and you will be without transportation.
Roy - This may be a little blown out of proportion and we don't totally agree. It seems like you may be a 5.0 Coyote guy?
@@8020Media I upgraded from a 3.5 to the Godzilla after towing with the 3.5 once. In fairness, I was towing up a steep canyon with many switchbacks, but the 3.5 overheated on the initial incline and went into limp mode.
I had driven several 2.7s as part of the work fleet, until the boss sold all the eco boosts (they were in the shop more than in the field). Not a fan of small displacement turbo engines in a truck. I didn’t start out with that opinion. I started out wanting to own one, and wondering why Ford didn’t put the 3.5 in the F250. I was mesmerized by the numbers from the engineers. Once I actually towed with it, I received my answer. I suppose if all you need is a grocery getter and you don’t keep the truck past the warranty, it may work out for you.
Just my personal experience.
Roy - We completely understand. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Now it makes sense why you have such a stance!