HOW GOOD IS THE NEW MECH? - MECHABELLUM
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2023
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Here's my war factory suggestions since you asked for them. First, don't buy them until you can pay for their upgrades. Get multiple unit production upgrades. Finally get the tank production upgrade. They also aren't a super unit. They just cost more (and have an upkeep) because they are designed with producing more expensive units in mind. Make sure you have other units to support it/ take down it's weaknesses.
i would also add that it should probably be held back, as it's main strength seems to be providing reinforcements rather than direct fire support.
And buy them when you can afford to buy multiple
Tank production upgrade? Why? Steel balls are just better even with the extra time, no?
Not questioning Steel balls being good. But having them both is better. Plus the tanks are decent (not the best but decent) at handling lighter ground units and adding another target to be killed before the factory. The goal is to keep it producing as long as possible.@@afallingwaifu
Turn 4 double War Factory laughs at all your backseat gaming
hot tip for factory - unlock all the units it produces and create a swarm. it's a hyper carry unit you gotta invest the hell out of it.
The trouble with the factory is that it is best when you are already winning. But I've found the fun way to use it is to have it produce everything and keep it as far back as I can to stream in units.
get pheonix's and pheonix production and get the pheonix upgrade that ressurects them. Put the war factory at the back and churn out as pheonix's as possible before it dies. Your enemy will struggle to kill them faster than they respawn
Yeah, it's a phenomenal strat tbh, can't be done quickly obviously but oh boy if it gets going there aren't many counters.
Holy crap, Tom actually did aerial punishment?! Pivoted to air when the enemy had no AA for an easy victory.
That said for War Factory, don't buy it unless you can get the upgrades, honestly getting both production ones is also recommended, don't forget you can switch the upgrades too.
ALSO, the strong strat for War Factory is to actually buy the units it produces *because* the units it produces will have those upgrades, so steel balls that pour out crawlers, very good. Phoenixes that resurrect on a rear deployed Phoenix 😩👌. Sledehammers are a bit rough for the upgrading aspect but are still worth as well.
One thing to remember though is stormcaller, melting points, and steel balls can hurt REALLY badly, seriously stormcaller single target is STRONG
You should have upgraded your balls Tom. Make your infinitely spawning balls explode with crawlers, to keep the melting points occupied.
oh god, the crawler replication upgrade...
I love that the video title isn't actually click bait. Tom genuinely wants to know how good it is, and would appreciate some build tips.
Yaaaaay more Mechabellum! I finally decided to get into it after watching you and Smith play and it has since consumed my life. 200+ hours in, around 1k mmr, I love this game so much, thanks a ton for showing it off.
In general, saving all of your money on turn 4, lets you unlock the War Factory on turn 5, and place one, with 2 upgrades. Or place 2 War Factories. Works better with Giant Specialist.
As for making the War Factory viable, I think there are 3 main strats:
1. First ideas is to upgrade your Phoenixes a little early and then surprise pivot into mass Phoenix, Pick a start that has Phoenixes, or Aerial Specialist, and make sure you have Resurrection, Shields, Range, Attack Speed on your Phoenixes. Try to get Phoenix Shields early if you can, maybe place a couple more units of them, and then on turn 4, save all your money, turn 5, unlock the War Factory and place it in your back line, grab Phoenix Production, and then buy Phoenix Resurrection.
2. Or you can try and overrun them with Sledgehammer and Steel Balls being produced every 4s and 5s, this works especially well if you go for Wasps earlier on, that way they'll respond with Mustangs, which then in turn get obliterated by the Sledges your War Factory will be producing. And on Steel Balls, get the upgrade that lets them split into 5 crawlers when they die. That one upgrade is an insane amount of value.
3. Last one I actually saw in a tournament match, and is best with Aerial or Giant Specialist, because you play a very aggressive Overlord turn 2 or 3. If you play it turn 2 you might be able to upgrade it on turn 3, basically just lure them into countering that 1 Overlord you put right at the front and maybe even mobile beacon to their tower.
Then when turn 4 or 5 roles around, you sell the Overlord.
If all you've done is level it up once, you still get all the money back, which gives you a chance to hard pivot into War Factory shenanigans, or just hard counter whatever they were doing to counter your Overlord.
This last one is actually just fun to do in general with any strat you want.
First make sure you're actually stable, buying it on the back foot is a great way to throw away resources and to -200 per turn hurts more than you realise
Second the Factory isn't meant for combat, unlock the tank spawn upgrade and have them sit at the back producing tanks, balls and phoenixes, have your own tanks, balls and phoenixes to buy upgrades for the spawned ones
Not made for combat?? I'm guessing those 4 fortress cannons are just for mating rituals.
@@xCoNa14 they get hard countered by half the units in the game and deal surprisingly fuck all damage.
Not to mention how absolutely worthless they become if you hit them with an emp and disable all the upgrades you spent 3 turns unlocking
@@glockenspeal that happens to most units in the game though
@@xCoNa14 most units in the game dont cost 800 and have a 200 upkeep. A fortress costs 400 and yet the factory dies pretty much as quickly once a melting point locks on to it. So yeah, if you want units to be up front shooting things by 2 fortresses and buy the bubble upgrade, it costs the same and yet combined they will survive way longer and do more damage than 1 factory. if you're going to buy a factory put it at the back and let it spawn stuff as long as possible
@@WhichDoctor1 Yeah, you definitely could do with a life x
Personal preference tip! The factory is actually quite good as a replacement for the fortress. They have a higher health pool, bigger profile to protect your other bois, and 4 fire ports unlike the fortress's 1. When you buy them, make sure you have an extra 50 bucks left to upgrade the upkeep reduction buff. That will go a long way to saving your butt as the rounds progress. Lastly, leave just enough space in front of them so you can fit either fangs or crawlers. Chaff to protect against melting points and steel balls. And hopefully when you get the production upgrade, you start producing even more chaff that hopefully outpaces that DPS. My tech line is:
1. Upkeep upgrade
2. Phoenix
3. Sledgehammer
4. Steel Ball
Keep the variety to potentially counter other things they might do, like air or otherwise. Factories can't shoot up.
This worked for me, but maybe I'm a wizard, who knows lol. Wish you luck
War factory pairs best with phoenixes. Upgrades to units carry over to thosr made by the factory. If you can get the phoenixes to revive each other and maybe some shields. The factory will produce an army of undying phoenixes. Though i do recommend buying a few individual phoenixes as a cushion
You need unlocked and deployed pheonixes to buy the quantum upgrade, so gotta have at least one
@@JM..... fastest way in my opinion is to just choose a Specialist that has a Phoenix as a starter
I like the idea of making the war factory into an all unit producing menace and then have it stand as far from combat as possible.
So:
Phoenix production
Steel ball production
Sledgehammer production
Range enhancement (so that it stays a bit further away from the battle, if only there was a banner bearer like in TABS)
there kinda is. there's a control movement option you can just get the factory to move alongside the map instead of going forward
@@jaquelinelorn1906 oh cool
If you scroll all the way out, then hold middle mouse and center the view, and while still holding middle mouse hold 'w' for a second, you can zoom out extra far. It sounds like a pain, but it's pretty easy once you get it.
Oh man, it's been a minute, so really stoked to see a bit of this again! (Here's to seeing some more co-op/vs. battles with the other Hits again as well in the future).
MECHABELLUM YEAHHH
From my recent games, melting points seem a little over powered, maybe too much range. But as far as war factory it’s a little bit too niche. I personally put them right at the back pooping phoenixes and try to get the sledgehammer pooper card too
Couple of hot tips I've heard:
1, For Elite Specialist, get the ability to sell things immediately and sell one of your 200 cost units right away on turn 1. This allows you to deploy two units on turn 1.
Makes Elite Spec waaaaaaaay more viable, but you have to be careful not to deploy stuff that will just feed a lot of XP because level 2 units give more xp.
2. Carry Arclights.
Arclights are God's chosen people. They are the way of truth and light, the most beautiful of all creatures, if you go in your dictionary and look up the definition of heavenly perfection you will find an image of an Arclight smiling back up at you.
Play them like Marksmen and get Range -> 200% damage -> Elite Marksman, prioritizing leveling them up and giving plenty of chaff to buy them time.
They aren't the best solution to every composition, bless their hearts, but goddamn do they put in work. You give them levels, and they will give you the smoking corpses of Sledges, Steel Balls, even Giants, atop the smoldering ashes of a mountain of dead chod.
I love Arclights, and would marry one if I could.
I think holding the factory back after upgrading it to just stream units would work really well. Use it as a base and not a offensive unit for as long as possible
War factory honestly just seems like... you kit out what the WF can provide (Pheonix, Steel Ball, Sledgehammer), you kit out those things to round each other out well and have synergistic tech, you sit it in the back and get an influx of upgraded reinforcements. Imagine focusing hard on these three units, and then putting down a war factory churning out more of them as the battle goes on
Great video, good to see more mechabellum👍
Those big laser tanks are pretty strong.
Factory hot tip coming in hot, factories are only any good with phoenix production with quantum reassembly
Hot tip, sledgehammers. Invest in tech for the sledges. Warfactory creates a wall of iron with sledge cloud. focus on more factories rather than leveling them up. Use the beacon upgrade to force factories to hang out in the back.
This is such a great game, and the factory is such a cool concept! I hope we can see some more of it in future!
Daily reminder that Tom is an amazing person and to thank him for all he has done/will do - Day 1386
Yey, fantastic to see a return of Mechabellum as boy is it fun :D
OOO, this new unit is really cool, especially since I always love the spawning upgrades so to have a unit focused on that is exciting :D
I can't wait too see more, and especially that Factory special
Would recommend a war factory + phoenix spam for the constant reforming
If you go for production fortresses (which is probably the best way) its good to place them further back so they have time to poop out stuff. The Phoenix production upgrade might have actually helped in that second round because suddenly they drop 2 decently strong units every 4 seconds. More for the enemy meltys too shoot.
Also, knowing what units you want to produce and giving those upgrades by having at least one stack on the field beforehand is a decent call.
The holy factorum of the tomnisiah rolls to the of humanitys bulwark!
So so so happy to see more of this!!!! Maybe "horse" will be back????
Notes on the war factory.
First, the units they produce are the same level as the factory that *produces* them... so a level 4 factory makes level 4 units.
Second, the units they produce benefit from all the techs on other units of that type, so you should try to unlock and use whatever units you intend on producing so that you get the most benefit from the tech upgrades.
Third, don't buy one till you can buy tech for it and preferably get ether more then one tech or more then one war factory, both if at all possible. Don't be afraid to borrow money or sell unhelpful units (like that arclight you left on the flank to feed his melting point or all those wasps that were just dying pointlessly on his mustang horde. This advice actually applies to any game, not just war factory focused ones.) for that round if it gets you another tech or factory.
Forth, the reduced upkeep and missile defense techs are both solid choices for your factory but shouldn't be run together as you need to have them primarily teched to produce units. Generally I say get the upkeep reduction and some mustangs or a missile defense turret. If you have three war factories and the upkeep reduction then that saves 300 supplies a round, two rounds and you've saved enough to unlock another upgrade.
Fifth, steel balls with division or sledgehammers with some tankiness buff are needed to screen for the factory but should be paired with the phoenix *first* before getting the other ground unit. This divides fire and draws it away from the factory while providing the damage output and anti-air needed to keep the factory safe *and* push the enemy. Steel balls with division are better against melting points or other steel balls as the extra crawlers give you *six* units to distract them per spawn instead of *one*. While distracted your phoenixes can kill them. Meanwhile sledgehammers are better against large numbers of 'chaff' units or things like the mustang spam as they do small aoe damage and don't need to ramp up like steel balls.
Sixth, do *not* build wasps in any kind of numbers in a game you plan on going war factories in as you need to avoid driving them into hard countering your phoenixes before you even start producing them.
Seventh and finally, if you *can* get the tech specialist upgrade you *should* . Since the war factories themselves benefit from multiple techs *and* the units they produce do too, a well executed game will have you buying far more tech then normally and the saved supplies will add up. Getting supply specialists of ether type are also helpful for obvious reasons.
So the obvious thing is, the factory is a unit meant to spawn units. It does not go in the front. Put it in the back, let it spawn stuff, and it would actually be a useful unit.
More mechabellum! And absolutely loving the Giga factory!
So I've not had the pleasure of playing Mechabellum myself yet, but even I could tell Tom wasn't doing anywhere near enough to counteract the melting points. He could see that it always came down to the melting points at the end, they always survived the longest and did the most damage to his big units and it seemed like Tom was more interested in providing them juicy targets. Maybe he got too excited into using the new war factory units. 😅
Factory is rough.
Theres 2 viable builds I've tried. A mass spawner build but needs some crawler/fang spam to accompany it. Phoenix Ball Tank summons with missile intercept.
Missile intercept is a top pick on that. Its a shit ton more effective than mustangs.
The other build is Range + Missile intercept + Faster fire + Armour.
It needs a lot of support to be viable. Going Phoenix with reasembly on it is amusing since the dead phoenix spawn on the fresh spawned phoenixs. My record of having tanks has been 5 tanks on 1 match.
If your going warfactory try not to get so many buyable perks like the parasitic ammo, smoke, magnetic blast, nuke etc. To expensive for an expensive unit build
war factory suggestions since you asked
upgrade the things they make every steel ball they spawn in has all the upgrades
run them at the back and forth along the line with the "run this way upgrade"
give them support lots of small units to deal with
Use EM ammo on your storm callers or your arclights or really any unit to counter the balls and melting points that regen health based on damage
Yeah, I feel like putting the War Factory on the front lines is a bad idea. They're basically there to provide battlefield reinforcements more than offensive pressure, so leaving them on the backlines to shit out armies on the go is a way better idea than frontlining them.
If you upgrade the units the factory spawns, they get the upgrades
I don't know how to do better with the war factory. However, acid crawlers can mess up a war factory so easily. Do anything you can to keep acid away from the your factories, is all I can say.
the war factory reminds me of a baneblade from warhammer 40k
I feel like a flanking factory might work, because it will live long enough to prosper or require so many resources to counter.
war factory with all its stuff + overlords with the carrier upgrade. a million billion spawned units
Do unit produced from the factory get upgrade like normal units? Sound like it would be so powerful if you go all in on upgrade then call in factory for it in late game.
Yep. That's their primary benefit.
If you get Respawning Phoenixes, then the ones from the Factory will be capable of respawning too. You can make some crazy late-game swings by getting Factories after teching into the units that the Factory produces.
great one
Fuck yeah more mechabellum
I appreciate them adding in the Fatboy.
I really want to see max level factory
War factory tip: Build more hackers ;)
Melting point is just far too powerful oh dang xd
It's good enough for more episodes and that's what matters 😂 plz master Tom morrrreeeee
Mechabellum might be my dream game, but I just was neglecting launching it. Because of blood bowl 3 and fighting games I got into.
ghabam! and ghawelcome!
put hackers infront of them to slow them down further and use as many unit spawning upgrades in parallel as possible.
don't upgrade level just get more of them to fill the back line and keep a meaty frontline to give them space to spawn.
and yea don't get them until you can have them spawning.
also consider pairing with wasp spam from ye old big boat upgrade for more unit spam.
also upgrade your spam unit's abilities.
Melting points definitely seem like a hard counter to war factories. Unless you are also willing to invest in melting points against their melting points it seems like it'd be better to just not invest in the war factories if they've started using melting points. The war factories also look like they need their upgrades the heaviest of any unit. Not even worth going for them unless you have the moolah to instantly go for their production upgrades
yes!
TLDR: not at all. A single acidcrawler dying under it will kill it in a matter of seconds.
Unless they have photon coating
@@Mahons Doesn't that ast for like 15 secs? Havent played ever since it really pissed me off.
Anyway, it will still be standing on the acid pool by the time it expires.
@@nazamroth8427 I have not tried it out but as far as I can understand from it only the damage reduction is for the 16 seconds. the immunity to electromagnetic, ignition and acid seems like it should be forever.
but anyway you never want your warfactory to get close to a crawler since you just want it in the back producing I feel
@@Mahons Admittedly, yes, you never want it exposed to danger.... But the fact that you have a unit that costs.... 800(?) to deploy, and 200 each turn, that can be killed by a single crawler or subterranean threat ability while unable to dish out serious damage in turn, is subpar in my opinion.
You may say it is all about producing units, but then.... I can just summon 5 units of balls or tanks instead of placing this down.(assuming it does cost 800) And one more each turn. And those will level up as well.
@@nazamroth8427 like if you were going for serious builds this unit is terrible, I already knew that, personally I was just thinking of fun ways to make it work.
I’m pretty sure your mistake was storing balls in the factory and not the other way around 🤔
Awwww I thought this was gonna be a video from that top mmr eastern eyed player
Player nameed rocket tom from the city chongching, but it’s just a round eye :(
Imagine hacking a factory.
Buying the factory when you've already built the upgraded units seems key. Otherwise it's just churning out normal units 1 by 1 and for it's cost, that's... not great.
Ah, "totally not supreme commander Fatboy".
As for your question:
I assume that if you bought upgrades for a unit, the spawned units also have those upgrades? If that is true, buy and upgrade the spawned units first. Some Steel Balls should have a good spot in your frontline.
I doubt the unit is really worth it when it doesn't spawn units. So do not buy them unless you can also afford the production upgrades. And buy the second spawned unit ASAP.
Based on all the comments my thought that a factory ain meant to be on the frontlines was a decent one.
I still think melting points are dollar for dollar best unit to invest in. They're super tanky and can self heal its kind of silly
not use them.... XD. but serious you need to lean into its production abilities and upgrade the stuff it spits out.
mecha division for the balls ?
I think Factory upkeep now is 100 and the produced units do 1/4 th damage to player's health when they win the round.
so its a fat boy from supreme commander then?
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literally 19 seconds after upload....
HOT TIP: dress your beard in a tiny hawaiian shirt. Also come back to the EU, we miss you silly wankers :P
As far as mechabellum goes, no idea, i never played it. Git gud?
I was really hoping you'd beat that communist player..