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- Sexual assault is a terrible problem that America must solve. The CDC claims that 1-in-5 women in the US will be a victim of rape in their lifetime, a substantially different figure than Department of Justice crime statistics. Christina Sommers says that the CDC's exaggerated numbers get in the way of genuine solutions to the problem, and calls for accurate data and real solutions to help end the scourge of sexual violence.
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My solution: Replace all politicians with people like this women who know how to actually read research papers.
Hells Yeah!!!!
That will never happen
Replace all politicians with this woman, who sounds smart and shits on everyone else, but doesn't actually offer anything new. Like, seriously, her view boils down to "feminists and everyone else are dumb, listen to me"...she doesn't actually offer ways forward.
PrettyPinkPeacock
So you think you can't point out a problem without having the solution to it?
Better that someone who can actually identify what the problems are be in a place to do something about it rather than the current politicians who actively ignore the elephants in the room.
How are you commenting "4 months ago" (according to CZcams) when the video is only released yesterday?
Christina Hoff Sommers represents feminism as it SHOULD be. Her book "Who Stole Feminism?" should be read in every women's studies class.
Forget about anecdotal evidence, just go look up the video on youtube titled "Do women lie about rape?" You'll see bitch after bitch telling BOLD FACE RAPE LIES ON CAMERA! #FACTS!
Feminism is a CRIME against mankind. All it does is artificially inflate women's fragile self-esteem by creating a culture of censorship where lies can't be exposed because you're not allowed to criticize women. If feminists had their way, all criticism of women would be made ILLEGAL. There's a reason now why in this generation, it's considered "hate speech!!!!" to even disagree with a woman, let alone criticize her.
The only reason feminism is still around is that censorship hasn't been fully eradicated. Wherever you see the tyranny of censorship being exposed, the feminist cockroaches run from the sunlight of the #TRUTH! For example, there are few articles where you can directly criticize the feminist wage gap myth. But on sites that don't have censorship, this false claim has been debunked by experts ad nauseam. MANHOOD101.COM
I can hear the "ReeeEEEEEeees.." all over the place from those brainwashed idiots: czcams.com/video/qTksCYUgI7s/video.html
Because no sources were provided in this video, I decided to dig them up myself. Most of what relates to what Christina Sommers said about the CDC's methods is in the 2010 full report of the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey that she spoke about.
Link to the Full Report:
www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
Section on the phoning method can be found on page 9 of the report:
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The survey's definition of rape that includes "drug and alcohol facilitated penetration" and the other forms of sexual violence including pressure by lying, false promises, and showing unhappiness is on page 17 of the report:
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Table on sexual violence against women, including the estimates of women involved in drug-facilitated penetration is on page 18 of the report:
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Questions asked by surveyors on the subject of drug and alcohol facilitated penetration is on page 106 of the report:
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Questions asked by surveyors on the subject of pressure by lying, false promises, and showing unhappiness is on page 107 of the report:
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+Alex Nightingale, Thank you. I recommend everyone read the report before responding, or learn how to read a report (I'm looking at you Christina). One example: The DOJ statistic is reported rape, and it should be obvious to anyone that reported rape does not equal the real or estimated numbers of rape.
Another example, Christina Sommers trivializes the facilitated by alcohol statistic by characterizing it as "intoxication alone" which was not the question. The question was clearly defined as "unable to consent."
"When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how
many people ever…
• had vaginal sex with you? By vaginal sex, we mean that {if female: a man or boy put his penis in
your vagina} {if male: a woman or girl made you put your penis in her vagina}?
• {if male} made you perform anal sex, meaning that they made you put your penis into their
anus?
• made you receive anal sex, meaning they put their penis into your anus?
• made you perform oral sex, meaning that they put their penis in your mouth or made you
penetrate their vagina or anus with your mouth?
• made you receive oral sex, meaning that they put their mouth on your {if male: penis} {if female:
vagina} or anus?"
THERE IS NOTHING VAGUE ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS
Another example: The three questions about "other sexual violence" besides rape was cherry-picked. 13 million estimated victims over the 12 month span includes sexual contact, threats, and psychological torture.
+Kevin Kelley One could argue that by putting "...and unable to consent" at the end of the question after already priming the reader with the other items, it is misleading.
The syntax could even be interpreted so that the "passed out and unable to consent" is a single item separate from the first three, so that they stand alone as affirmative.
+Alex Nightingale Maybe I'm losing my mind here, but this study indicates that 14 million women have been raped by completed forced penetration. Why does the video say that this is the number of general sexual assaults?
+Core Ten that's how I read it. "...passed out and unable to consent" appears to be a separate item, not "passed out" closing out the list of conditions and "unable to consent" being the end result of those conditions.
+The Shady Rest Inn I'm merely providing sources to Christina Hoff Sommers' claims. This was the study that she was criticizing throughout the video.
It must be difficult to deal with an experience of rape and sexual violence when gender activists are diluting these violent experiences as normal, everyday and common.
Ironic, isn't it?
Also, when they claim that a single incidence of rape should traumatize you for the rest of your life, and that it's worse than murder and you'll never recover.
@@gjergjik Sounds absolutely tragic. But to be affected that thoroughly, there had to be something else going on in that girl's life.
So if the guy's drunk and the girl's drunk who raped who?
... well by today's standard, which of them had the penis?
***** That is a painfully sad thing to think about...
what both had penises or nether of them had penises....
Disgruntledgamer If they both had penises... well then... double-kill.
If neither, then there was no crime, because women can do absolutely no wrong. Women doing wrong is a perception of the PATRIARCHY!!!! (did I add enough exclamation marks? Because I can't simulate how loud these harpies shout that.)
***** Shit Trash Baby Spotted
I am a victim of what some would consider gang rape and rape, it is something I struggle with to this day and it hurts me so much that now people are blurring the term rape.. back before these modern feminists took hold of media, I could be sure that as soon as I mention the word rape there was a gasp and people's mind went right too the horror that it is.. that is disappearing and it sickens me that now you almost need the follow up question "What kind of rape?" same with harassment of all kinds.. it is trivializing this horrible thing and it hurts all us legitimate rape victims.. it helps no one but the attention seeking little people who want to be a special snowflake
wow a feminist that didn't lie to the point of pissing off beyond belief, im in shock
The difference between modern and real feminists is showing.
Nemilime modern feminists aka professional victims, that's what you meant right?
Yes, and facts not real only feelings.
I feel bad for the feminists who haven't lost sight of the big picture and are put in a box with all the other's who misrepresent the cause itself.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of the movement doesn't seem to want to hear what she has to say. :/
Step 1: Identify target demographic
Step 2: Convince them of impending doom
Step 3: Loudly denounce said doom and pledge to do everything in your power to avert it
Step 4: Receive votes...
That is literally every add ever 😂😂😂
This stupid 1 in 5 myth and the pay gap myth keep getting debunked every couple of years but they refuse to go away.
Why?
Because there are always feminsts who claim that the debunking isn't true, but only patriarchy propaganda against them, since that ideology needed the victim status to keep going.
Drudenfusz It is not just feminists though - probably the biggest offender are the politicians and advocacy groups that have a money stake in perpetuating the myths.
{This stupid 1 in 5 myth and the pay gap myth keep getting debunked every couple of years but they refuse to go away. Why?}
Patriarchy? lol
In my little corner of the world, in my one or two Sociology or Social problems, I am education my students, and teaching them the truth about both of those things. Maybe there are others out there...
Probably because of anecdotal evidence, lawsuits which prove that the complaints are valid, and lawsuits and stories like Brock Turner's, the cops who molest and force women to have sex after being pulled over or detained, the college rape cases that make headlines, the stats on rapes reported to authorities, etc.
The most reliable figures, with the least political spin, are in Rape and Sexual Assault Victimization Among College-Age Females, 1995-2013 released by the Bureau of Justice in December 2014.
In the eighteen years it covered, self reported rape and sexual assault by 18 to 24 year old female students had always been less than one in a hundred. The average figure, including those not reported to the police was 31,302 assaults a year; 0.6:100. The rate had fallen from 0.9:100 in 1995 to 0.46:100 in 2013. That was a fall of fifty percent despite the ever widening definitions of rape.
The breakdown of crime was rape (33%); attempted rape (25%); sexual assaults (31%); and threats (11%); and everyone proved that women were safer on campus than anywhere else.
30% of the sexual assaults and rapes had occurred at or near the victims’ home; 29% at or near the home of a friend, relative, or acquaintance; 16% in commercial premises or parking lots; 13% in open spaces or on public transportation; and only 4% on campus.
So, it turns out that women are safer on campus than any where else!
Given that 10.4 million young women are enrolled in college every year, the chance of being raped on campus is not 1:5 or even 1: 50 as this 'research fellow' clams but 1: 25,000; and the risk from all forms of sexual assault on campus, including threats was 1:8,300.
I think the problem is not just resources might be channelled into the wrong dircetions, but that is also send the wrong message in general. I mean, when basically everything becomes rape, then rape becomes something normal, and thus accaptable. Or with the stupid things like "teach men not to rape," it creates the idea that it is normal for men to be rapist (a view I don't share), which could lead exactly to the opposite what the fiminsts want, they basically teach men that it is normal to be a rapist.
Agreed. Feminism and media constantly blame men for rape. Sometimes I feel like doing it because well if they already blame me I might as well do it.
When the American Enterprise Institute talks about resources being channeled in the wrong direction, they mean NOT toward billionaires.
I don’t understand an aspect of your critique. I fundamentally don’t like the idea of people being pressured into sex; I acknowledge that this act of pressuring falls along a spectrum, the extreme end of which consists of violence and coercion.
As a man, I think it’s essential that men communicate to each other that women, need to be treated with respect (not reduced to single-use sexual objects). What I’m talking about here is really standing up for a girl when she’s referred to as a slut - in general, reminding men and women that even the people we sexualize are still people and should be treated with respect. I think it’s on men to call out this behavior when it happens among guys, because this kind of insidious logic (that you’re allowed to do things to a slut that you wouldn’t do to another person) facilitates sexual violence.
I don’t think it’s normal for a man to be a rapist. I think most men are decent; as a consequence, I think it’s the obligation of decent men to talk to other men about treating women decently.
You are entirely correct. If some agency says that rape is common, then it is just a single step away from being "normal".
***** Same goes for women too, it is not just men who do such things, but somehow it is always addressed towards men. And often very poorly done, like "Don't be a rapist!" ads, not a single word about concent to be found there, just the accusation that is easily to be read as all men are rapists. So, if it is only about concent, then just talk only about consent, and have no subliminal blaming of men in your messages, but present it more gender neutral, after all, isn't feminism not about gender equality?
Where alcohol is involved, why is it only men who are to be held responsible? I have witnessed and experienced semi-inebriated women coming on to men (and me), so who's the sexual assault victim in these cases? What about men who are gay and have a woman grab them? Men simply do not call the cops in. They just move away or try to protect the woman because she's seen as vulnerable. A guy doing it the other way around is usually not shown such consideration and can end up with another man punching his lights out.
A woman cannot forcibly penetrate you with a penis because she doesn't have one. So it is impossible for a woman to rape a man.
@@ElenaKomleva But a woman can force a man to have sex with him
@@ElenaKomleva www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/datasources/nisvs/men-ipvsvandstalking.html
@@ElenaKomleva Men can be quite easily aroused so a woman can act very sexy, being very manipulative and coaxing until he finds it impossible to say no. The answer is to move away from her early in the process but that's also the answer for women who are being coerced into being raped. Sometimes people don't get out of a difficult situation fast enough. Alcohol and drugs make it all the more confusing. Also there's the factor that people often feel very ambivalent about having sex. They may be hoping that the other person's enthusiasm will make the decision for them. And then there's romance remorse where people change their minds after the sex.
For those who want to see the full questionnaire, go here: www.reginfo.gov/public/do/DownloadDocument?documentID=212535&version=1
An important thing to notice is that the CDC’s questions include a mix of serious indicators of violation with ambiguous or trivial ones. For example, see their questions on stalking (page 32). Indeed, some questions they ask are about seriously disturbing behavior (e.g. being followed or spied on with a listening device). All would agree this is stalking. But the CDC goes on to ask about potentially trivial experiences (e.g. receiving unwanted text messages or Facebook messages), which it also classifies as stalking. They use a similar method of mixing serious questions with ambiguous or trivial ones in the sections about psychological coercion (page 38) and drug and alcohol facilitated sexual assault (see page 37). (Also note that they begin the segment on alcohol/drugs by telling respondents, “Please remember that even if someone uses alcohol or drugs, what happens to them is not their fault.” I wonder what MADD would say about this?) By using such a method, the CDC is guaranteed to yield high numbers of victims. Now add the poorly chosen questions to the low response rate and non-representative sample of respondents-and you can manufacture a national crisis.
Hope you agree that sexual violence is too serious for this sort of sleight of hand.
The 'professor' in my sociology class dropped the 1-in-4 statistic today.
This class makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Every time someone brings up that manufactured statistic, I'm just going to post a link to this video. Thank you, Ms. Sommers, for speaking the truth about this subject.
We have learned two lessons here:
1. Don't accept what the CDC says without question.
2. DO accept what the American Enterprise Institute says without question.
Jeff Fuchs No, I don't accept everything this channel says without question. Must you jump to conclusions? I already knew that both the 1-in-5 figure and the study were bogus.
1337billybob its a pretty retarded figure to be honest. thats like most of my city raped.
TheMaleAvenger yea it's bogus if you want to interpret the studies the way YOU prefer them to be interpreted. READ THE ACTUAL STUDY.
The researchers INTENTIONALLY expanded the definition of sexual assault. It's CLEARLY mentioned. Outcome measures are constantly being re-defined because some outcomes are not quantifiable.
For example, what is considered quitting smoking? 1 months? 2 months? 3 years? Clearly, if you studied smoking cessation based on 1 month, your study would exaggerate the effect than 3 years. Does that mean your 1 month study was wrong or is deceptive? No, cause every fucking study in the known universe mentions is biases and strengths.
Studies done by the CDC on sexual assault simply ask that our government be more cognizant of the issue, and not fucking crucify men on the cross.
Jeff Fuchs 3. Also accept Jeff Fuchs' comment without question.
Because he knows conclusively what everyone learned and took away from not just this video but any piece of media he decides to comment on for he has a magical mind reading network set up around the world. Thank you Jeff, shine bright you crazy diamond.
My university has been using this 1-in-5 statistic during their mandatory sexual assault prevention classes leading up to the semester. I want to mount a challenge to this flagrant abuse of common decency, but I don't really know how to do it. As far as I can tell, I need to report a complaint to the dean of students, but I feel a bit lost. What suggestions do you guys have for doing this kind of thing?
+Zach Baker I'd suggest applying the 1 in 5 figure to reality. Hell, I did it in another comment.
First, the US, since that's the seemingly relevant example.
At this time there are around 318 million people in the US. Let's round that to 300mil. A little over half of that is women, so let's say 150mil.
If the 1 in 5 figure is true, 30 million women are raped once annually (or as you say, in their lives). However, the Department of Justice (gold standard, don'tcha know) reported around a quarter million incidents in the US, and it's on the decline despite an increasing population. So the ratio is about 0.83% report rates, if the feminists are accurate (Which I HIGHLY doubt based on their track record).
Extrapolating this to a global scale, 7bil population, 3.5bil women, 700mil supposed victims. Applying the ratio of supposed to known victims in the US (which I know isn't exactly true, but it's for the sake of ballpark figures), we can estimate around 5.8mil known victims.
This type of figure may well be true in, say, Africa, where 1 in 8 men report having committed rape multiple times. But I'm not going to believe 20% of the human race (because studies have shown over, and over, and over again, women are equally, if not MORE, likely to be abusive in some way) is victimized by rape, and less than 1% of alleged victims actually reporting it.
Well, it wouldn't sound very urgent if they said 1 in 50,000 gets raped.
+bananian I assume you are being sarcastic but 1 in 50,000 is just as wrong as 1 in 5.
But on the matter of the statistics needing to sound urgent: I would rather have the media/universities/schools portray rape and sexual assault using accurate statistics than using vague bullshit studies which promote a victim/paranoia culture within women.
You are so correct. I am male, I totally support all true victims of rape and sexual assault, or assault of any kind for that matter, and I do believe that our laws MUST be harsher when dealing with perpetrators. But, the exaggerations and outright lies of many women's groups are simply turning many men into victims of false accusations.
The pessimist . . . the glass is half empty.
The optimist . . . the glass is half full.
The feminist . . . the glass is being raped!!
Awesome, world needs more people like you.
Sommers for President. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.
I actually had more male friends who actually got raped than I know of women who were raped.
Most of them refuse to admit it was raped until I explain to them why they were rape.
One guy was force to get drunk out of his mind and was tied on top of a car while some strange woman took his virginity. He didn't even remember what the woman looked like. He said it was all in fun and his fraternity was just playing around.
Another guy I know was drugged out of his mind and was lock in a room with 3 women. They refuse to let him go until he lose his virginity. He said he past out and didn't remember what happen.
And another guy I know was raped by a female teacher at the age of 13. He still refuse to admit it was rape but he was also not proud of it. I could see it in his face he was traumatized.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.....!!!!
It makes me so mad that the world has come to this, where NO ONE can feel safe anymore for their own sexual lives. It should be everyone's own choices on how to live their lives, and not have other people take/make great big decisions/moments in our lives from us.
Are you male or female? I can't tell from your username. I only ask because I am wondering whether it was easier for them to tell you based on your gender. Because, as you said, most guys never even mention it.
Hotqueekboi Rightnow
I'm female. Also most guys refuse to open up like this to other guys.
CrimsonEclipse It's horrible for men. A man MUST like the rape. Otherwise he is homosexual. Can you imagine the outrage if a female rape victim by a male rapist was acccused of being lesbian?
CrimsonEclipse Most guys refuse to open up to anybody because we're told not to, because men not cry and when we do we are not believed and we don't generate the empathy women generate in others, specially by feminists who drink male tears whilse saying "boo fucking hoo"
CrimsonEclipse did it ever occur to you that just because they don't feel comfortable disclosing that information with you, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Personally I know very few women who were not sexually abused. That doesn't mean the men around me haven't been, it's not something people like to talk about especially with certain people.
TL;DR: Ms. Sommers has done a good job of objectively criticizing the CDC.
Since there is some doubt of Ms. Sommers’ analysis because it’s tied to a controversial subject, let’s get dirty and try to look at her argument with an impartial eye. The crux of her argument is that the CDC used a flawed methodology in their 2010 Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (IPSVS), thus reporting distorted numbers.
Both sources that she cites are freely available online, so we can see for ourselves what the experts are reporting and how they find obtain their data.
First, we check to see if Ms. Sommers is lying about the data or methods reported in the surveys. We quickly see that she isn’t.
Next, let’s check the claim that the IPSVS used a non-representative sample by comparing it with the DoJ’s National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The IPSVS had a response rate of around 30% for a total of 18,000 interviews, whereas the NCVS had a response rate of 87% for a total of 160,000 respondents over 90,000 households. The response rate is important because there is a high risk of skewing the data when the response rate is low.
Now, let’s compare the IPSVS questions with those on the NCVS. The IPSVS uses many specific questions about past experiences, but also some that are vague. Further, the IPSVS never asks “Are you a victim/survivor of rape or sexual assault?” By comparison, the NCVS uses very direct language to get specific information about the incident, what happened, whether it was reported and why, and what the physical and emotional consequences were.
It is a problem to use vague questions because sometimes they capture relatively innocent incidents. For example, the question “Has anyone ever fondled or grabbed your sexual body parts? (in the context that it is unwanted contact)” can include people in relationships. A man could be getting handsy with his wife, but she isn’t in the mood so she rebuffs him and he leaves her alone. This happens often and most people aren’t bothered by it. However, this meets the criteria for the question.
Why is it a problem that the IPSVS is designed so that the CDC redefines rape? It’s a problem because the CDC is neither a legal nor a philosophical organization and therefore should not be defining what is or isn’t a crime.
Drunk sex = rape? How many watching this video owes their existence to their parents being a bit tipsy that one night? *raises hand*
Everyone makes mistakes. I should know. I asked my parents about it.
I really don't know about the circumstances of my parents and their alcohol content on the date of my conception, but I do like your comment.
I just saw that College humor video with the bears and my first thought was "What did Based Mom say about this? I know she said something."
SAME HERE
I like her as a feminist. She speaks the truth. She backs it up with logic facts and not BS. I can respect this kind of Feminist. I am for women being equal but I am not cool with pretending women are baby fawns constantly being victims at the had of men. That is just crazy talk.
My literature teacher was raving about this one-in-five crap last week. If I knew any of this back then I would have spoken up. I knew it was wrong, but I didn't have the information. Thank you, Christina!! You give me some small grain of hope for the future of feminism. If only more could be like you.
Great video as always. Will have to use it in every discussion about rape from now on. As a psychologist I have these discussions a lot of the time.
The problem with relying on Rape Statistics is that most rape victims don't come forward. I never did, 6 Women I know never did. In fact I don't know anyone who has personally.
You have a point about the slanted questions but... It's something that should be remembered. Rape Statistics are by no means a reliable way to gauge how much rape happens.
There is no data on the percentage or frequency of unreported rapes aside from anecdotal evidence. That is not a statistic. If there is no evidence you can not say that "most" anything. If 6 people in my neighborhood liked to steal cookies from a bakery, would that then mean that most cookies are stolen?
nagual1992
That was honestly the funniest thing I've read all day, thanks. Although, you may wish to improve your trolling by not going on so hard about things I never said. Assuming you're trolling, that is. The other alternative is just that you're a nutter.
nagual1992 how much do you make being a professional vicitm?
Sandy Gonsalves
Do you know what a Professional Victim is? Good luck trying to be one using a(non given) user-name, meme picture, zero personal information, no method of receiving payment, and a penis..
Don't let this Gamer-Gate drama rope you in with Weaboo Trolls because you think they're in on the cause. Yes, Sats is trolling, if he wasn't his analogy would have been *"If 6 people in my neighborhood didn't report their houses being robbed, does that mean most household robberies aren't reported*
Instead he did 2 characteristically trollish things:
*1)* Belittling Personal Suffering. Comparing a Serious Crime to Stealing Cookies.
*2)* Breaking and twisting the issue. Based on how he wrote his Cookies Bullshit, he's saying that I am claiming most people are Raped (which is not the claim, the claim is most people that are raped don't come forward).
He *Did Not* compare a like to a like, he completely twisted the example to make it unidentifiable to the base material.
My returning his Vile Bullshit in kind, with the rant about Imperial Japan wasn't unwarranted.
Trolls like him are why the public laps up this anti Gamer-Gate shit BTW.
nagual1992 wow....you actually took the time to write all that..trying to prove what?
FIrst of all would like to say love the videos :) and secondly I would like to know where you got the information about how the CDC conducted out their survey.
Thank you for being such a sobering voice. The way you presented you thoughts and feeling is effective and direct. I have been aware of these methods for gathering statistics, but as a man, I have not thought of a tactiful way to brouch the subject. I feel the problem we have is describing a nuanced idea across a large population
Holy shit. A feminist telling the truth about something. I never thought I would see the day.
One of your best videos - thank you! The government and society is intentionally deaf to facts and to men.
Hysterical emotions are more exciting and profit making for liars, while destroying the culture, relationships and the economy.
It is refreshing to see someone argue a point on facts and data instead of feelings or "I think". I enjoy your vids and use them in conversations.
That is a really intelligent educated woman, she is a good role model for all women in the world!
She's a good role model for anyone who wants to research their arguments!
One issue I do have with this video is that the source used at 1:18 is 'criminal victimizations'' so not all the unreported rape incidents.
It's a survey, so yes, it would count unreported victimizations.
A lot of very nice men and women just threw these numbers at me and were floored when I explain how they were wrong. With no hate, or disrespect.
send them all to castle black
It's always good to hear the actual facts. If there were a way to make them even more public and accessible, maybe we'd be able to turn the tide of deceit.
Well stated. THANK YOU. We have to get to the truth. I'm sick of hearing all of these lies.
youve said a few times that the bad data drives research and active funding in the wrong direction and i dont agree with it, but im just curious if you have any specifics as to where it does go and where it should be going?
Dr. Sommers became a heroine of mine with her books. Great material!
Could you provide a source on the CDC calls?
I looked at the CDC survey questions and they seem pretty straightforward. I would classify any answer of yes as rape. Also the crime statistics is the reported amount isn't it? Which would be way lower than the actual amount. But look for yourself. Here is the survey and the questions are in Appendix C
www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
What do you think of the documentary half the sky? I haven't watched all of your videos, but I was wondering if you've watched it or read the book and your opinion on it.
Sonja Woudstra somaly mam was found to be a hoax
We need more people to watch her!
According to the FBI report for all crimes in the US in 2012 there were 79,625 rape victims in that year. it is common for anyone discussing rape to say that half the victims never come forward which would inflate this number to 159,250 divide this into the population of the US 318 million which becomes 1 person in every 1,996.8 is a victim of rape (both violent and non-violent rape are included in the 79,625) besides using verifiable stats and allowing for unreported rapes effectively doubling the recorded number of cases we don't even come close to 1 in 5 and a count around 1 in 2000 is perfectly in line with the amount of cases that universities actually deal with. at 1 in 5 the universities would have line ups of rape victims at the complaints departments. try the math: i'll use UCLA for an example pop= 43,239 divide that by 5=8,647 supposed rape victims divide that by 365 days in a year=23.6 people will be reporting to the complaints department EVERY DAY that they have been raped. does ANYONE even the blindest most uninformed and incapable of researching student actually believe there are lines of rape victims so long they would be a complete dominance of the faculty taking in claims?
She also makes an error in assuming the CDC just polled "inebriated sex". The official question was: "When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how many people ever…" and then it lists potential sexual assault examples. The key is "and unable to consent". That doesn't mean you were just drunk. It means you were so wasted that you couldn't possibly have consented. This is from pg. 106 of the report. Again, I'm just pointing out a fact, and also scratching my head why she glazes over it so easily.
Maybe because "passed out and unable to consent" phrase is considered separate because of the commas.
The problem is that it defines "unable to consent" as being drunk, high, drugged as well as being passed out. The latter would definitely be rape, as she points out in this video, but it also counts times when one was drunk or under the influence of drugs. This likely makes up a good portion of consensual intimate sex.
after so many videos, horror stories, etc, about ludicrous claims made by feminist and how extremist the movement seem. it is nice to see that it is not the movement itself that is the problem but the individuals that takes it too far. Seeing someone talking in a posed, calm, respectful demeanor, presenting facts and actual ressources really brings hope that thee can be an understanding one day. i have watched a few of your videos so far and have really enjoyed them. consider me suscribed to your channel
Since you asked for suggestions for solutions, I will share my perspective. I draw your attention to the fact that most rapists were themselves abused as children. The way to deal with the problem of rape is to deal with the problem of abuse of children.
Whenever I link this video when someone makes the "1 in 5" claim, my link just gets deleted by people unwilling to check the real statistics :(
Serious question: what did you think off the new Krakauer book?
Here's the study in question:
www.cdc.gov/violencepre.../pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
On p.17 you will find the definition of rape and other sexual violence acts that they use. They are clearly defined. **I used the page numbers on the top right and left pages on the ACTUAL document, NOT the ones that appear on the scroll bar.**
But as the video said, the CDC themselves interpreted if the responses could be defined as rape, based on questions, right? Well on p.106 you will find the specific questions they used.
Here's whats amazing...
What the video failed to mention (and where Joelle probably got mislead by whatever her sources were):
The actual question they used to determine if someone was forcibly raped:
1) How many people have ever used physical force or threats to physically harm you to make you…
-have vaginal sex?
-{if male} perform anal sex?
-receive anal sex?
-make you perform oral sex?
-make you receive oral sex?
-put their fingers or an object in your {if female: vagina or} anus?
AND here's the question they used to determine is someone was raped under the influence of alcohol:
2) ''When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how many people ever…''
(notice how important the **AND** is in that question)
- had vaginal sex with you?
- {if male} made you perform anal sex?
- made you receive anal sex?
- made you perform oral sex?
- made you receive oral sex?
According to the study 18.3% of women answered yes to one of those questions.
So the video is 100% right on these 2 things:
-They technically were never asked them if they were ''raped'': Instead, they only asked them if someone use physical force to have sex with them and/or if someone had sex with them when they could not consent.
-They did ask them in 2 of the many questions ''have you ever had sex with a man because of promises that he made about the future that you knew to be untrue''. Those responses were noted on 2 questions in the entire survey. Those responses were categorized as ''Sexual Coercion'' which falls under sexual violence, but NOT as rape.
I honestly dont believe the level of how ridiculous this is. The irony of you complaining about media misinformation is amazing. The women did not lie, but she presented things in a way that completely misrepresents the truth. To say they were never asked if they were raped or victims of sexual violence is total BS. And then she only presents the 2 questions that were the softest ones. Look at the entire questions they asked. God damn it, I do not understand why anyone would present the facts in such a misleading way.
The irony is without words.
As far as the sample being made by telephone, the study she quotes in the video was also made by telephone. Check out p.9 for the rate of response and sample information and why its accurate (middle of page). Could not find why the numbers were different in the study she quoted. I found little information on the methodology of that survey by the US department of Justice. But I do know that that the reasons she states for the differences are BS. There's a good chance she is not saying the whole truth about that too.
I would love to shake this woman's hand she is putting a bit of reason back in the feminist movement.
Wow. A smart, sceptical, calm and open minded feminist. Why do I never see woman and men like you in feminist activism? Favorited and shared.
You do great work Christina... but the intro music/sound that accompanies the title "factual feminist" is really off-putting. Is it just me?
Wow this is exactly what I have said before. Especially the part about how it's actually hurtful to victims of sexual violence to equate drunk sex with rape. But I got a very poor response from my friends.
one in 5, one in freaking five!!! get the hell out of here! people who put this shit out there should be arrested and the people who lie about it should face serious repercussions!
love your videos so far. I know it is a bit of a daunting task but how do you fact check the statistics on your show? It would help if you added references in the description to add even more credibility to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Mrs. Sommers, you drive the nail straigth through, like always. Good job!
My school board came to my school today and said that 1 in every 3 woman are victims of sexual assault. Then I watched this video and felt much better thank you :)
Warbananas it’s believable when you consider the less severe and more common forms of sexual assault like grabbing someone’s butt in a nightclub
One of your best videos - thank you - the government is deaf to men and facts.
Wow, just wow... thank you so much for these videos...
In my highschool we have a poster promoting this servey but what i didnt know was that it was based in america I live in NZ My highschool needs some teaching by this lady
I'm curious, does the Department of justice report's number of rape/sexual assaults only take into account those that result in guilty verdicts? If so, I find it hard to take as truth. Many rapes go unreported out of fear or shame, or are reported after there is a possibility of finding adequate evidence for a court of law. And I'm sure you've heard at least one of the countless stories of how reports of rape are trivialized by police (which is horrific in my opinion). Especially taking my first and third examples into account, I find it hard to take that number as fact, as it is not comprehensively representative of rapes/sexual assaults.
This was great, as someone who most would call bigoted or misogynistic, THIS is how you get us on board. I don't hate women or any ethnic group for that matter, I just get annoyed at the hypocrisy and lies most advocacy groups spread and have to stand solidly against them because their buzzword led campaigns gather people to follow a misled cause.
In the part where she put the questions on the screen, those questions could easily be summed up as asking: "have you ever been emotionally blackmailed into having sex?" so people end up having sex against their will or better judgement because they have been manipulated into having sex with this person.
I agree with the CZcams User, AEI. This is not sexual assault/violence.
The category that these answers fall into is "emotionally manipulated to perform." It's not violence as the CDC wants us to believe, but it still is a problem. The most severe case of such scenarios would be child molestation, because that is always a case of manipulation which hence doesn't require violence for the victim to comply.What a great deal of answers to this "question" tell us it that people need to be made more aware of their rights, and to just walk away and not let people use us. It's not the issue that the CDC is trying to pass it off as, but it still is it's own issue.
Literally saying that drunk sex and being coerced into sex don't count as sexual assault.
Thank you very much for making this video. I have seen the CDC report myself and another funny aspect is that they actually lower the overall number of female-on-male rapes by changing the definition to "make to penetrate," which includes sexual coercion on a very broad scale.
The official crime statistics does not count women who are too drunk or unconscious to give consent, and does not take into account groping.
just had a speaker come in today in one of my college classes. she used these statistics. very disappointed that even a university would use false statistics.
shes a feminist? woah, i cant believe a feminist is going against the concensual feminist belief
I'm reminded of the ad where the grandmother gives her granddaughter a rape whistle at a baby shower and then they give the speech about rape stats.
The ad was taken off the air due to the fact that the stats were completely untrue and not based on actual crime statistics.
Also... The whole "reported accounts vs unreported accounts" is complete BS!
It's would be like telling a child that "while reported accounts of monsters under your bed are down, when it comes to the unreported accounts...who's to say?"
Okay, let's say it's a far smaller problem than imagined. We'd still need to support victims and raise awareness of what rape is and how victims are affected, and how we should believe victims. These attitudinal changes cost almost nothing.
fear-mongering is different than accurate information
I want to also add that the best efforts are those that 1) point out that rape prevention through better life choices is something worthwhile (clothing, binge drinking, etc.) and that 2) this is NOT blaming the victim but suggestions on how people should better avoid high-risk scenarios in the future. Blindly believing people's claims doesn't do ANYONE any good and we should know the actual magnitude of rape, not an embellished number
ThePharphis Can I just turn this on it's head for a second? If there's such a big threat, why don't we try and identify the perpetrators? Improve the justice system so more get caught, truthfully? What is the problem with that? A good justice system that is fair.
Rather than making everyone stop drinking and start wearing tents, this seems more logical.
PrettyPinkPeacock "if there is such a big threat"
Well, I'm pretty sure that's part of my point: There isn't. People are claiming something like a tenfold increase of rape, etc. which is simply fear-mongering.
We should try to reduce instances and yes, find perpetrators. Fear-mongering doesn't help us do that. Better education to would-be victims and perpetrators helps us
ThePharphis The big threat I was mentioning is the one that YOU implied when you said that solutions such as everyone stopping drinking and stopping wearing nice clothes would help end rape. Does that not seem like an over-reaction, if indeed the crime rate is so small?
We don't suggest that we all wear armour and have food-testers, in case of murder, why would we take this reverse-approach to rape? Especially if there's very few instances, your approach seems to sound more like fear mongering than mine! Again, I don't think the statistics being on centre stage works.
Though I am glad you agree about education ^_^
Hey; I know this is a while back, but if you find a better research paper on this topic, can you tell us about it? The 1-in-5 statistic is inaccurate, but I think it likely that the number based on sexual assaults reported to the police might be a little skewed, too. Genuine rape and sexual assault isn't reported as much as it should be. Then again, they probably did research into that, too. I'd like to hear more about that study eventually, but all in due time. Thanks for the video.
But the FBI victimization survey is anonymous and does not rely on "going to the police." Also at least two studies have been conducted with even official allegations in different localities and the number of false allegations are somewhat high. Of course, many people do not report their rape, but the interesting thing is, a systemic phenomenon like that should be CAPTURED by the victimization survey and it doesn't seem to be. Rape has plummeted as a crime statistic in recent years. One of the biggest confusing elements for most people is that we are not calling rape "rape" we call a host of intrusions and crimes sexual assault.
But no one here (or anyone rational) believes that an unwanted touch or kiss is equivalent to rape but the occasions of it happening are used to boost "Rape" statistics and make it seem like every other woman (and many men) are being raped on college campuses. If so, why are people sending so many people there? People don't walk down dark alleyways or in bad neighborhoods (as outsiders) with the regularity that people are alleged to matriculate to Hussein-like Rape centers.
NK7Prime Good to know; the methodology of the study definitely matters in cases like this. I'll probably have to find the paper myself, but I unfortunately don't have the time to do so right now.
As for the rest of that, I definitely hear you. I will admit that paranoia is fairly abundant with young women, though. University campuses aren't safe by any means; just not to the degree that they're portrayed in media.
I hung out with a group of girls the other day to watch the Oscars and at some point the "1 in 5 women" topic came up.
I tried to explain to them that that number was intentionally misleading but they seemed more inclined toward "It could be true" or even one instance of "I heard it's as high as 2 out of 3". I don't doubt their intelligence, but I think that people today are surrounded with a culture of liars and hypocrites who try to make any criticism of their viewpoint look like hate speech. It's what people are told in the mainstream, so it's what a lot of people will believe.
Must see!
Great job. I remember hearing these numbers and I found them unbelievable at the time. Good to see the world isn't as dark as some would like us to think it is.
Thank you Christina
I'm not sure I agree with Sommers on this:
1) A random telephone survey is one of means of sampling that is least likely to have self-selection bias.
2) It makes perfect sense that some victims do not report to the authorities. Hence the numbers that the DoJ can be significantly lower.
Now, she's got a valid point about the exacting phrasing of the questions used, which does allow some ambiguity in terms of exactly is being reported. I would also add that we need to remember that the lifetime report in the study is a trailing indicator. The report absolutely does /not/ say that that "1 in 5" women /will/ be raped in their lifetime, it attempts to make no predictions about the future. Given the decline in all violent crime over the last two decades, it's entirely possible that rate of rape has fallen precipitously as well, and thus the overall risk that people experience today is much lower than what is suggested by the lifetime numbers.
Christina, you are an angel among a sea of hatred. Thank you so much for your amazing, essential work.
Fantastic video. Huge thumbs up.
If enough women were like you I would call myself a feminist again
When the president and the Justice Department accepts that 'alcohol and drug facilitated penetration' or 'sex while inebriated' is rape, then the definition of rape will be determined by a footrace because if sex while inebriated is rape then in such cases there are often two rapists who simultaneously rape each other and the first 'victim' who gets to the cops will win the coveted 'victim' status as the other person who may not have lived up to their ideals on the regrettable night will be marked as a sexual predator for life. This president and his administration have lost my faith.
God bless you for countering the dogma, that I, as an educator, must try to politically sensitively, counter every day
Redo the survey using more precise questions and a large enough sample size. Make sure that the group conducting the survey is bipartisan and trusted by most people. Boom
What is a rape? It's not word often used formally by many laws anymore. More often rape is replaced with sexual assault, and as a criminology student then I can say emphatically, yes, 1 in 5 women will be a victim of some sort of sexual assault at one point.
"The Justice Department Annual Crime Survey, which is the gold standard in crime research..."?? Wikipedia: However, results reported by the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey 1995-2013) are consistently lower than studies using other methodologies, and researchers have charged that the question wording, context, and sampling methodology used on the NCSV leads a systematic underestimate of the incidence of rape and sexual assault. A recent assessment of the NCSV methodology conducted by the National Research Council pointed to four flaws in the NCSV approach: the use of a sampling methodology that was inefficient in measuring low incidence events like rape and sexual assault; the ambiguous wording questions related to sexual violence; the criminal justice definitions of assault; and the lack of privacy offered to survey respondents (phone interview vs completely anonymous survey). The authors concluded that these flaws make it "highly likely that the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCSV) is underestimating rape and sexual assault".
have you, or could you, do a piece on Emma Watson's speech in the U.N. ? Thanks Daniel
Regret isn’t rape change my mind.
BRAVO!
100% agree that this study could have been done better, but asking straight forward questions doesn't always yield accurate results. I cannot imagine that many people would be willing to reveal if they were raped to a stranger cold calling them.
Additionally, a non trivial percentage of rapes and assaults go unreported to the police (somewhere in the neighborhood of 60%).
I think our first course should be to work to reduce the shame and stigma that go along with it. Until that's done, we're unlikely to ever get truly usable numbers.
THIS IS MADNESS!
"Poorly constructed telephone survey, with a low response rate, and a non representative sample of respondents."
Yes, a poorly constructed survey that required interviewers to be carefully screened to see whether they were comfortable conducting interviews on topics included in the survey. Where interviewers were required to receive 16 hours of training and 2 hours of post-training practice. 16 hours of training to literally ask questions! Also keep in mind they only used female interviewers as they are "more likely to create conditions conducive to disclosure." That alone tells you how much thought they put into this survey.
Low response rate? This is because out of a total of 200,000 telephone numbers, 31% were ineligible (business or non working telephone numbers), 53% were unknown eligible, and 15% were eligible. Out of 30,000 eligible households only 18,000 adults were interviewed and only 16,000 were completed interviews. The response rate may be low but that does not invalidate the data collected.
Non representative number? 9,000 women and 7,000 men were interviewed. Ages were 18-65+. Race/Ethnicity...Hispanic, White non-Hispanic, Black non-Hispanic, Asian or Pacific Islander, American Indian or Alaskan Native. It also took education, marital status, and household income into account. If these are not representative numbers please enlighten me to what is.
This argument was really bad.
In order for a survey to be representative, it needs two things: a high response rate and a large number of respondents. If the survey has a high response rate but very few participants, it does not represent enough of the population. You claim that even though the CDC survey had a low response rate, its number of respondents makes up for it. This is completely false. Surveys with low response rates tend to cherrypick their respondents to interview only the ones who have been victimized.
Take this hypothetical scenario: 5000 women are raped in a state. The other 100,000 women in that state are not. A survey I construct attempts to interview eligible women in that state. I get only a 3 percent response rate, but hey look, 5000 respondents! Therefore, my data showing 100 percent of women reporting sexual assault are accurate! Well as it turns out, the 3 percent I interviewed were the 5000 victims. A survey with a much higher response rate would not have been prone to this.
This is known as the "nonresponse bias," or the bias in which surveys with low response rates regardless of their sample size only interview victims, not a more open population. *In layman terms, it would not be inaccurate to say this study was nonrepresentative.*
THIS! This is the type of Feminism I want in the world! The ones who DO give the CORRECT information! Those who include men in rape statistics and don't shout "Men can't be raped because erection = consent!" - Which, by that same (stupid) logic, being wet = consent. Thank you for this video!
All statistics include men actually, have you ever tried to look up a statistic? They take into account multiple demographics. Most feminists discuss female problems, but you're more than welcome to look up some statistics on your own and make a video about men being raped. In fact, why not? If you care so much.
To truly know how bad sexual violence is, we need a way to weed out all of the false allegations. Some women will falsely say they were raped, so those women need to be shamed and punished. Not only do they ruin the lives of the men they accuse, they weaken the credibility of genuine rape victims.
I don't think we should punish women who cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they were raped. I think we should punish women who have been exposed as liars.
If feminists are truly concerned with sexual violence, they should treat false accusations very seriously.
We need peer reviewed scientific research to determine the real threat. I've taught self-defense for years and come to the same conclusion. If 1/4 or 1/5th of our local college females were raped it would be nearly 5,000 rapes a year or 20,000 rapes that would occur during a 4 year college period. We can't hope to resolve the sexual violence issue without good information to help us target the problem. This obfuscates the issue and allows the real problem to hide in the statistical confusion. I feel the same statistical static is at play for sexual abuse and domestic violence. I want solid reliable numbers to present to my students and it's very hard to find. The CDC as a representative of scientific inquiry had a duty and a responsibility to do better science. Let's find real data based solutions to these ancient societal problems.
Agreed. But it's one of the best tools we have for approximating the truth and the methodology could be adjusted to filter out bias. I think we all can agree that this is a serious problem and it extends to family health, early education, mental health and personal safety. It's a blight on society and I for one am encouraged that it's getting attention. I just hope the effort to find a solution isn't drowned out by political agendas.
+crobc1 It's not immune but peer review and proper methodology are the core of standardization and thus, comparing and assessing priorities.
Anyone have a source for the actual numbers? Christina said 1 in 57 during her speech at Amherst.
Well it is a moving target, when the actual crime rates vary from year to year.
1/5 doesnt even hold up against basic math
really well spoken lady,,
Finally someone talking some sense.
Victim induced assaults should also be defined.