Lenox sounds surprisingly gentle for man with such strength and power. More than anything though I was blown away by Russell's knowledge of fighting. Never knew him as other than a comedian.
Not priceless, but useless. He's interrupting for the sake of minutiae: little details that aren't really essential to the story Lewis is trying to tell. It's pretty annoying.
I loved Tyson but you can't deny Lewis was huge and a technically perfect boxer. Seems lot people here have forgot or don't get how good this guy was. And I'm a huge Tyson fan
@@oliver5479 did you not watch the entire video? Even Lennox said he was a late bloomer while Tyson was a early bloomer. That means when they fought, Lennox was still in his prime while Tyson was past it
Lewis is 100% correct. Young men, especially ones like Tyson, have to have a good father figure at home to show them what a man is supposed to be. If all that intensity is left unbridled self-destruction is going to follow. Lewis is an absolute gentleman and is a role model for young men.
Lennox is the most underrated boxer of all time. I was in college when he was the champ, for some reason in the US everyone bet against him, but not me. Dude made me a small fortune (for a college kid which is like $800).
I grew up in Canada watching Lewis and when he fought Tyson I was in Australia. The fight was at 6am but the pubs in the casino were open. It was madness. The guy beside me said he put $600 on Tyson and it was the easiest money he was ever going to make. I told him he was nuts and Lewis would destroy him. The guy was so devastated when he lost.
Because everyone knows if they fought before Tyson lost Cus, he would've absolutely finish Lewis and Holyfield. Make no mistake, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield are some of the greatest boxers we will ever see. The only difference were, they were smart enough to wait and wait till the time for they're time.
@@TheBardeng Yeah I agree, Tyson's style changed after he left Rooney, his head movement was almost gone. As a result, he lost to Douglas 10 months later. Also, his style requires young and explosive body, all of that was gone in the Lewis fight. Holyfield and Lewis were both great fighters, but it would have been more interesting if they fought Tyson at his best!
I hated Lennox Lewis for years but I was also a kid back then and I loved Tyson. Seeing Lennox Lewis now and listening to him, what a gentleman. Absolute legend.
Prime is not merely a chronological number. A fighters prime is when his focus, desire, his team, training, preparation, ability, physicality and discipline are each at or near the best they can be, this was not the case when Tyson fought post Rooney.
You and every Tyson apologist that wants to excuse the last 15 years of his boxing career (1990-2005) weren't in Mikes body or mind. There are many boxers that we could make excuses for but Mike's special just because of his popularity.
@Martin S it's not uncommon for 21st century boxers to peak in their mid 30s. There is a ton of examples for that. That is ofc if they had not taken too much punishment until then.
@@timbrown7039 skill? Let's be real Tyson brawled and his awareness was not the best. He displayed great skill against lesser opposition, and against an older Larry Holmes but Mikes younger years are highly overrated. He went the distance with Tillis and Smith and those guys were far from world beaters.
1 ROUND LEFT styles make fights. Saying that I can guarantee that Lennox Lewis would lose to some of the opposition mike faced, considering he lost to hasim rahman
Really appreciate just how Lewis is such a class act. Even when the other guest tried to argue telling that Mikey was 15 years old back then, Lewis that lived all that knew that the other guest was wrong but didn't even want to make a big deal out of it and just let it go, that's a clear sign of a person that is mentally really strong.
Well you can't argue with facts bud. Lol. Lenox fought Tyson in 2002! Lol... Tyson was champ in 1986!. If you think Lenox fought a prime Tyson you are delusional. 😆. Baddest Man On The Planet! Lenox became pro two years after Mike had already been champ for two years! Lol. Context of time frames always shatters this argument. 😆
Not gonna argue with Lennox knowing more about his own path, he didn't argue with Russell Peters over it because they're actually friends and have known each other since teenage years. If you watch the whole talk they speak on it.
3:03 hey my friend oam new to this heavyweight old boxers if you can tell me where it was when mike and Lennox Lewis were sparing in what boxing gym was that filmed in if you know where mike Tyson lived at that time an showed Lennox his room if you know reply
@James Bond the fact that you cannot differenciate between intelligence (iq) and an education makes you an idiot. Think before you write some stupid shit again.
@@BK-sx5ps It's hard to tell with tyson, cos he's such a genetic freak. I mean look at that photo of him and lennox young tyson is already built like a body builder at 16.
@@_Chubs_ Watch his fight with Tyson the post fight interview Mike is complimenting him like crazy and he doesn't acknowledge it once and instead goes on and on about how he's the best boxer ever. Pretty arrogant if you ask me.
Lennox Lewis is one of the most rational boxers , probably on a par with Vladimir Klichko. Cold, calculated. Real example of one who ended his career on time, as a champion, and without loss of reputation
@xCrnicelik308z Mike Tyson was pick a boo style fighter, that is exactly what he likes, bigger fighters, with better reach, his style of fighting was to surprise those long ass mother fuckers.
Mike is very unique, he was definitely one of my hero’s from the 90s that stuck with me I never left his corner even after Holyfields ear incident, he is very intelligent, the hard life has taught him some valuable lessons, when he talks he has some really good insights into the journey of life, he’s brutal honest and uncorruptable
i think you will find that that 52 remark was an estimation on what Tysons win record was at that time when they fought, Lewis misunderstood the question..
whoever he is, he keeps making incorrect statements but really confidently like it's definitely true! e.g. saying that Lennox turned pro after Mike had lost, that Tyson would've been younger than 17 in 84, etc
Listening to this interview, I realize what a class act Lennox Lewis really is. Get him on your show and talk about other boxers careers and he handles it with grace and appreciation. Insinuations of Tyson being lesser than when the two had their bout. He handled it like a champion. I need to see more of that myself. It enrichment for me.
All I can say is thank you internet. I am sitting here listening to Lennox Lewis, discuss Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato, who trained Ali... these fighters are absolutely legendary, and I will never have the opportunity to sit and talk with them and a pop cast like this is the closets I will ever get to these conversations. In the 70s and 80s all folks had was print media, today, we can see a man's eyes when he reflects on his legendary life. Thanks for posting this.
@@taylors4658 Age and prime dont go hand in hand. Someone can be at his prime 24 yo and someone 32 yo. So that artument that he was older means nothing.
78dachamp I remember at 13 years old watching the T.Berbick M.Tyson fight with my pops...and my Pops said Tyson will be the youngest Heavy Weight Champ in History within 3 rounds before the fight started...and we all know the outcome lol...thing is at the time I didn’t know who Mike Tyson was...But that fight on I never missed one of his fights. Then as a freshman in highschool I won a total of $500.00 “and that’s all I had by the way” on the Larry Holmes vs. Mike Tyson fight I was the only one out of 9 of my friends and myself that bet $50.00 on Tyson...I risked it all at cleaned house 🤘🏼 i still know a couple of those guys to this day and bust there Balls from time to time 😏
3:03 hey my friend oam new to this heavyweight old boxers if you can tell me where it was when mike and Lennox Lewis were sparing in what boxing gym was that filmed in if you know where mike Tyson lived at that time an showed Lennox his room if you know reply
@@MrPem1023 Lennox was around at the same time. I remember WWE/F having him on tv. He could have fought Tyson and/or Holyfield in the late 80s/early 90s.
Yeah but how many people are arpund the same age and one in his prime and the other not. Its not like he waited until he got too old, they were around the same age, was point.
Lennox Lewis always looks calm and collected with very good self-control. When he fought he always made it look easy even though I know it wasn't. Great boxer. And age doesn't seem to touch this boxer, he has very good genes. God bless him. I have so much love and respect for Lennox Lewis. ❤️#1👍🏽
Hey Mr Rogan, love your podcasts and the varied topics you cover are so interesting and great to listen to...Think the guests you are able to get to sit opposite from you are so special and awe inspiring keep up the awesome work...
I’ve worked with Tyson’s son Miguel in the studio and we talked about that he wanted to box and he said Mike told him that. He is amazing musically. I told him I couldn’t see him fighting and music is his thing. Those are some huge shoes to fill.
Fact Tyson states in his own interviews Lennox out boxed him and Tyson said he knocked Lennox down in sparring a few times never was reported he got knocked out but Lennox like Fury, like mayweather, Ali will always out box there opponent
@Shawnsta 777 yea.. and Lewis later in that future fight.. Lewis must came in the ring with revenge on his mind.. cause you look back at the fight you can look at Lewis’s face as he enters the ring he wanted to destroy Mike..Lol and he did just that...💯💯😂💯💯
@@richardsmith70 a lot of people don't understand how dangerous Tua was. He was knocking everyone out till he met Lewis. I still think a prime Tua stops Tyson (jmo)
@@righttoexplain are you kidding me mike Tyson was washed up when they fought Lewis dodged Tyson and holyfield for years he fought both of them on the way down where was Lewis when they where both champs? He was out there fighting nobody's
AND WHEN TYSON FOUGHT EVANDER X 2 AN LENNOX FOUGHT EVANDER X 2 and EMBARRESSED EVEANDER WHERE AS TYSON WAS NOTHING IN THE MID 90s WHAT WAS THAT? LEWIS BEAT EVERYONE HE FOUGHT AND TYSON NEVER CAME CLOSE???? mhmmmm SO LEWIS IS 100% BETTER. U may SAY Klitchko LOST TO A 40 yo old Lewis who smahed up his face and won luckily but watch the old fotage. LEWIS BEAT MORE WORLD CHAMPS FROM RIDDICK IN THE 80s to KLITCHKO in the 20 next Centry slah Millenium ETC... TYSON NOT SO MUCH???? Both had their Busta Moments but Lewis Smashed em back and left Boxers in tears a dozen times...See the vids...He even beat Ridicks ass in the Studio back in the day....SO PLEASE. TYSON WAS HUNGRY GOING IN TO LEWIS AND WAS YEARS YOUNGER AND GOT KNOCkED THE FUCK OUT BEGGING FOR A 2nd CHANCE AFTE KLITCH WHO WOULDA KILLED TYSON AS DID ALL THE POST 06 FIGHTS.....KNOCKED OUT SO PLEASE BY TYSON REALITY SO BOUNCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW BUSTA WOULDA BEEN SMASHED BY LEWIS BACK WHEN TOO. Boxing is British Martial arts in part and for centuries the training has been passed down and Americans had it for a few years like the Italians and Russians or Greeks. Americans did well but its done and now the UFC is THE REAL DEAL WITH S AMERICA AND EUROPE DOMINATING WITH THE RARE SET UP AMERICAN FIGHTS. GSP, Couter Gracie and even Brock are the top dogs and more will come...
@@lukaszs5046 most overrated of all time.... that's just stupid. He just made world class boxers look like beginners. But feel free to think otherwise.
Tyson fought a lot of no name boxers and the bigger names he fought against he lost Evander, Lennox. If Tyson had to fight more than 4 rounds he was done because most of em were over so quick, he wasn't used to fighting long bouts. Ali fought some of the biggest names in boxing. His era was filled with champions. Patterson, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Spinks, Holmes. IMO ALI is undeniably the GOAT. edit: add Ken Norton to the Ali list.
Lukasz S some of the no name fighters tyson beat were actually legit like tucker, thomas and biggs and holmes was not that old after the tyson fight he was still winning fights and lost yet went to a decision with holyfield years after getting koed by the real mike with kevin rooney.
@@jakeholland1848 tyson burnt out much earlier though m8...and what casuals like mike dont realise is that if you watch the full episode Lennox himself says he beat a tyson who was past it, not his best anymore
Lewis wasn’t in his prime either mate... truth is Lewis was a really bad fight for mike no matter how old he was.. Lewis was a great outside fighter and Tyson was an inside counter puncher so it’s a bad matchup for Tyson. Not saying one is better than the other. The only thing I would add is Lewis fought and beat way better competition. But that’s not Tyson’s fault. The 1990s heavyweight scene was a lot better than the 1980s heavyweight scene.
@@jakeholland1848 yeah maybe, but I'd have loved to have seen the vicious Tyson full of rage against lewis, the tyson lewis fought was giving up on fighting
Just so interesting! It's my day off and I have things to do, but I couldn't pull myself away from listening to this! So much respect for this man! Not only a boxing champion but so intelligent. I wish he could reach all these kids that are just floating through life with no guidance. Every young man needs to be taught how to be a real man by the greats that came before them. I didn't have that. My dad was there, but he just never gave me any advice or guidance. I feel like I turned out well. My wife says I did.
@@britsfirstfitness5026 he just said he spanked Tyson when they were amateurs sparring. The Tyson fanboys amaze me. Tyson lost EVERYTIME he fought an equal opponent and in Douglas case a lesser but Very Game opponent
The picture of a young Lennox and Mike just goes to show they were both destined for greatness. They could both have had that picture taken with so many other fighters who have long fell by the wayside or simply didn’t make the grade.
Not to mention Tyson had not lost when Lennox debut. Tyson lost Feb of 1990. So take that "encyclopedia" toss it in the trash and upgrade to a computer with google. Sighhhhhhh
I agree, but he's not gonna admit to that cause he wants to claim he was the best of his time and he beat the best. We all know that was not the case. I think even Riddick Bow or could have beaten Lewis, so could Razor Ruddock if he wasn't passed his prime also.
Lennox is older than mike. At the end of the day mike lost no matter what excuses you come up and he lost against pretty much all the top level guys he faced and Also some fucking rock bottom ones too. I’m a massive Tyson fan but the records are fact
You guys make it sound like Tyson was chained to a rock or something when he was locked up. He DID work out while he was in there. He's never used that time as an excuse. You shouldn't either. He beat up enough people when he got out. He said he was angry when he got out.
I agree...but a win is a win....I think lewis ...Holyfield always relied on skill and Discipline where Tyson lost those after he lost Cus...relied on power and strength which wont get you far in Professional Boxing.
@@BazIrvine Nothing to do with age, but motivation & self discipline. Tyson's only opponent in life, & especially in boxing, has only ever been himself. He was lost as a child, & lost for most of his adulthood. When Cus was alive, Mike briefly felt that he was worth something, & felt the approval from Cus that was worth fighting & winning for. The Jesuits have had a saying for hundreds of years. 'Show me a boy of 7, & I will show you the man.' Self worth is instilled early in life, & people have spent entire lifetimes trying to rise from the ashes of their childhood years.
@Cryer24597 Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We can all speculate about what COULD have happened, - but none of us, not even the boxing professionals, know what WOULD have happened. You could just as easily speculate, - who did Ali ever meet who was remotely the equal of a prime 19 - 21 year old Tyson? Frazier came closest in size, work rate & style, & Frazier believed rightly or wrongly that he won all 3 fights, & floored Ali in one. & Frazier was completely blind in one eye in all 3 fights. In style, speed, knockout punch in both hands, Tyson could have won easily. But that doesn't mean that he WOULD have won, because Ali had far more heart, & didn't become frustrated & disheartened when he couldn't knock his opponent out. Same with Lewis & Holyfield. Tyson absolutely had the power, speed, & defense to have destroyed both in his prime skill years. That still doesn't mean that he WOULD have. Lewis, Holyfield & Ali, all had a measured, calm skilled style that gets better with age & wisdom. Tyson, on the other hand, because he was only 5'11" at best & 15 & a half stone, had to rely on Frazier's style of speed, defense, body movement, & multi punch complex combinations, with a very aggressive high work rate. This only suits youth & hyper fitness, along with highly disciplined training. Lose any one of those aspects, & Tyson becomes vulnerable to 6'5"" big hitters & shrewd defenders. As we saw in the Douglas fight, looking for single shots instead of combinations, & a very low work rate, simply didn't work for an undisciplined, complacent, lazy Tyson, & he paid the price against a man he should have beaten inside the first round. But Douglas, as Mike acknowledged, trained specifically & fought the best fight of his entire career. For Douglas, they met at precisely the right time in their careers. Douglas in the ascendant of his career, Tyson spiralling downwards out of control. & that is my point here. Early on, Lewis lost against Tyson when they were both young, but Tyson lost to Lewis & Holyfield later in his career, when he had lost skill, speed, & combinations, & they had gained in experience & defense. Everyone has a moment in time when they are the best they are ever going to be. Tyson's came early, Lewis, & Holyfield's came late career.
@Cryer24597 If you watch back all Tyson's victories, you notice that not one of his knockout victories was a straight arms length punch. Every single one was either a right or left hook, or an upper cut. He was the little guy against every single one of his opponents, which meant that they all had a considerable reach advantage over him. This means that straight punching at distance made him extremely vulnerable to long ranged big hitters! He HAD to get inside & up close where his opponents reach held no advantage. That requires a very elusive quick moving defense, an extremely forward aggressive high work rate, & multiple punch combinations to work the body to bring the hands down to leave the head open. A low work rate & just waiting for an opening for a single punch to the head would only work for a very tall long reach big straight hitter like Wilder, or Lewis. For a little guy like Tyson or Frazier, it would be catastrophic. & it was, as we saw before the Douglas fight even happened. Tyson was becoming lazy & complacent 3 fights before the Douglas farce.
Tyson was in his Prime from 86-91 Lewis was in his Prime from like 97(After the Oliver McCall Loss) til he retired. They fought on 2002, Mike was 10 Years out of his Prime with a 4 1/2 Year Jail Bid.
idk I think if Cus were around as a father figure long enough, let's say until Mike would be more mature he could have preserved him from a lot of evil, from bad decisions Mike made, from letting himself go, from his own anger.
No cus kinda ruined mike Tyson in the head, he turned him into a killer (and he never taught him how to turn that instinct off) and he also give him a huge ego
So nice that Mike is being respected for his intelligent's now. I have being saying it for years but people never believed me. After he retired and didn't need to be the alter ego, "Iron Mike," I would listen to him in interviews and actual write down quotes he would say. He is in a good place now, he is loved and that is all he wanted from life.
Lennox is such a great speaker and respectful too, I liked how he stayed quiet about the trainers that took care of post prime Tyson while the other guy just said the first thing that came to his mind.
I never really watched boxing but knew about your Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis when they were at their prime but I really enjoy these podcasts with boxing greats. Where do you recommend I start to get into the sport as a fan?
Man Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest and hearing him say Mike Tyson is an intelligent dude, man all bs aside, respect from former competitors, it's great to witness. that's what it's all about
@@mrgreen9388 I'm not American and yet honest enough to see that they are right. Tyson had barely even reached his peak when he went to jail and it ruined the most important time in his career. When he came back he wasn't the same fighter, it is obvious to see.
@Dwane Worrell What you don't know is Mike avoided Lewis in his prime. Lewis was paid off to not fight Mike. The US kept it quite, they didn't want their man to loose to anyone.
-the combination of Lewis' size, strength, fight-knowledge, and level of confidence made for.. what I believe was... THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER, I've ever witnessed fight... and I grew up in the '70's, watching Muhammad Ali fight - I have A WHOLE LOT, of respect, for Muhammad Ali as a fighter - I truly believe, Lennox Lewis, in his prime... would have defeated Muhammad Ali, in his prime - Lennox Lewis... HAD IT ALL - in his prime, he was THE MOST COMPLETE HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER, I'VE EVER SEEN... it's just that.. he's modest, with a reserved, "Englishman" style, about himself... he's NEVER self-promoted, like SO MANY boxers do... I KNOW, what I saw coming from Lennox Lewis in the 90's - and what I saw, was... REAL DOMINANCE. make no mistake about it... LENNOX LEWIS WAS A BAD MAN. don't let the "nice-guy" stuff fool ya'.. in the ring, Lennox Lewis was... ALL BUSINESS.
The things that defeated Tyson were Don King, Robin Given, and all the entertainment sideshows that come with boxing. These elements used him and abused him more than any of his in-ring opponents ever did. Glad he found a better way today.
Spoken like a TRUE boxing historian. Exactly bro he was beaten outside of ring NEVER in it! And I can name many fighters called the Greatest of All time who were beaten inside ring & given credit for victories they never had??? 🙈
@@rivafussball6719 mike tyson is given credit for victories he never had, like holmes as if holmes was something in the late 80s, against holyfield in his "prime" but he ran from holyfield saying that he had rib injury, lennox wich he ran from in 1996 and any other fighter that people say "oh mike tyson would have beaten him if it wasnt for that and for that" stop making excuses mike tyson's downfall is his own fault.
I never really liked Lewis until I saw this, Lennox is a wise man. Young men need to listen to older men. That's what is missing, you can't buy it, you can't sell it.... it's natural, and the young people need it now more than ever!
This is how Scottie Pippen must feel.
80% of his interviews are about Michael Jordan.
72vince27 😆🤣🤣
LMFAO chill bro
A bit rude. Why invite the guest? Too stoned to see that?
Lol
fucking fuck michael jordan, racist entitled pos. just an awful person. he makes me want to vomit.
Lenox sounds surprisingly gentle for man with such strength and power. More than anything though I was blown away by Russell's knowledge of fighting. Never knew him as other than a comedian.
Russell turns out to be a bloody encyclopedia.. wow.. 😯
Russel who? What's his last name? I was wondering who he was and how he knew these dudes to swell.
@@darkspeed62 Peters
Except he got his facts wrong. Tyson was 17 before the 1984 Olympics, and Tyson lost in 1990 not 1989.
Russell Peter's is a fighter too. Don't get it twisted
Lennox Lewis is a classy guy, and one of the greatest boxers ever !
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Mike tyson nobady bit now
Yes
maybe the greatest HW ever as well bro
I think So. Lenox Lewis was absolute Legend
Russell Peters telling Lennox his memories......priceless.
are they close pals..?
@Pooket The best part of it is tha Lewis didn't care about making a thing out of it, he let it go and didn't want to discuss more about it. Class act.
Ikr something off putting about this Russell guy.
@Pooket I hate when people correct you and they're wrong but they're aggressive and super confident and wrong.
Not priceless, but useless. He's interrupting for the sake of minutiae: little details that aren't really essential to the story Lewis is trying to tell. It's pretty annoying.
It's a lot of ifs.
I'm a big Lennox fan, but the Tyson he fought in 2002 was a shadow of his former self.
Mike was a sideshow act ever since his comeback from prison.
Yeah he was doing coke and just fighting for a paycheck
Lennox is older than Tyson, so that's not his problem
Amazing that Lewis couldn’t admit Tyson was shot , fighters mentality, wrong but right!
Lennox was way passed his prime, too.
😂 said he tried to kill me .. I can see tyson coming out swinging after laughing with the man 😂😂😂
For sure man
Lol
Thats what I see happening in this "charity" fight with Roy Jones Jr lol, can't turn that shit off
That's Mike though, his sparring sessions were fights. He has no warming up. He goes right for the jugular.
I can listen to Tyson, Lewis, holyfield, talk boxing all day and tell stories, the 90s was the best for heavyweights in my opinion.
So true
I would say late 80 and early 90
Ali Frazier Norton Foreman ... Yeah, maybe the 70s..
Da 70s pioneered the HW division. Over all.
@@500stacks5 100 percent agreed
If Cus D'Amato had lasted till Tylson's 25's, 30's, I'm sure that he'd be by far the greatest boxer of all time
And stayed away from the drinks and parties. Oh yeah, and Don King
He was the best boxer of all time
I don't disagree but its speculative
He wasn't even the greatest of his era let alone all time
@@oliver5479saying, you never watched him in his prime by not saying you never watched him
Let me reenact their first meeting.
"Hello Mike"
"Hello Lennoxth"
Jo Po Lennoxth Lewith
That's really funny
You missed the part Mike takes a line of charlie
Jo Po Classic 😂😂😂
Its like I'm there.
I loved Tyson but you can't deny Lewis was huge and a technically perfect boxer. Seems lot people here have forgot or don't get how good this guy was. And I'm a huge Tyson fan
Lewis was good but we can agree he didn’t fight Tyson at his best
Lennox' reach is nuts.
@@randomperson707 Lewis is older than Tyson, he was way past his prime when he beat Tyson up.
@@oliver5479 did you not watch the entire video? Even Lennox said he was a late bloomer while Tyson was a early bloomer. That means when they fought, Lennox was still in his prime while Tyson was past it
@@oliver5479 just because someone is older doesn't mean they are past their prime
Lewis is 100% correct. Young men, especially ones like Tyson, have to have a good father figure at home to show them what a man is supposed to be. If all that intensity is left unbridled self-destruction is going to follow. Lewis is an absolute gentleman and is a role model for young men.
Yes . I agree with you 💯
It CAN happen but that doesnt mean its the rule. So you that saying in absolute terms is patently false
Self destruction? Bruh. What about all the ppl in the path of ppl like Tyson? We live in a society fyi.
@@heySTUPIDass Oh, here we go with the pedantism...
Lennox is the most underrated boxer of all time. I was in college when he was the champ, for some reason in the US everyone bet against him, but not me. Dude made me a small fortune (for a college kid which is like $800).
I grew up in Canada watching Lewis and when he fought Tyson I was in Australia. The fight was at 6am but the pubs in the casino were open. It was madness. The guy beside me said he put $600 on Tyson and it was the easiest money he was ever going to make. I told him he was nuts and Lewis would destroy him. The guy was so devastated when he lost.
They invited Lennox Lewis for an interview and talking about mike Tyson in most of the interview 😂😂😂
You are absolutely right
😂😂😂
Because everyone knows if they fought before Tyson lost Cus, he would've absolutely finish Lewis and Holyfield. Make no mistake, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield are some of the greatest boxers we will ever see. The only difference were, they were smart enough to wait and wait till the time for they're time.
@@TheBardeng Yeah I agree, Tyson's style changed after he left Rooney, his head movement was almost gone. As a result, he lost to Douglas 10 months later. Also, his style requires young and explosive body, all of that was gone in the Lewis fight. Holyfield and Lewis were both great fighters, but it would have been more interesting if they fought Tyson at his best!
@@deficy agree, I think Tyson is like yujiro of boxing in his prime.
Tyson was definitely not in his prime when fightning Lewis
And lewis was ?
Lennox would win either way, his reach and jab is too much for mike
Both were out of prime but Tyson was more out of prime. Lewis was still on top, even when he retired.
Yea Lennox was the perfect mismatch for Tyson
@BMode32 sounds dumb, but its true.
I hated Lennox Lewis for years but I was also a kid back then and I loved Tyson. Seeing Lennox Lewis now and listening to him, what a gentleman. Absolute legend.
Absolute animal too
Lennox is a true and great champion. His respect to other people is heart warming and great.
Yes! Very admirable.
Prime is not merely a chronological number. A fighters prime is when his focus, desire, his team, training, preparation, ability, physicality and discipline are each at or near the best they can be, this was not the case when Tyson fought post Rooney.
You and every Tyson apologist that wants to excuse the last 15 years of his boxing career (1990-2005) weren't in Mikes body or mind. There are many boxers that we could make excuses for but Mike's special just because of his popularity.
@Martin S it's not uncommon for 21st century boxers to peak in their mid 30s. There is a ton of examples for that. That is ofc if they had not taken too much punishment until then.
@@1roundleft821 tyson prime was 85-88
@@timbrown7039 skill? Let's be real Tyson brawled and his awareness was not the best. He displayed great skill against lesser opposition, and against an older Larry Holmes but Mikes younger years are highly overrated. He went the distance with Tillis and Smith and those guys were far from world beaters.
1 ROUND LEFT styles make fights. Saying that I can guarantee that Lennox Lewis would lose to some of the opposition mike faced, considering he lost to hasim rahman
Lennox is like....enough with the Tyson questions let’s talk about me!
He’s a legend but mike tyson is just more legendier than him lollll so he has to live with that
@@miguelalejandro5065 you are stupid
Lennox fought a bunch of fillers in his career.
@@miguelalejandro5065 ah least he aint broke
@@mrskeltal3281 Tyson is worth 3 million. It's only 1% of what he was worth but it's 99% more than all of us are worth lol
This is the first time I've seen a real LL interview. Impressive fighter back in the day and an impressive person.
Really appreciate just how Lewis is such a class act. Even when the other guest tried to argue telling that Mikey was 15 years old back then, Lewis that lived all that knew that the other guest was wrong but didn't even want to make a big deal out of it and just let it go, that's a clear sign of a person that is mentally really strong.
Mike would've been 16 turning 17 or just turned 17 so yeah Lennox was right.
Well you can't argue with facts bud. Lol. Lenox fought Tyson in 2002! Lol... Tyson was champ in 1986!. If you think Lenox fought a prime Tyson you are delusional. 😆. Baddest Man On The Planet! Lenox became pro two years after Mike had already been champ for two years! Lol. Context of time frames always shatters this argument. 😆
@@micahhall3731 stop using emojis you loser, you still live in your moms basement typing on youtube
Not gonna argue with Lennox knowing more about his own path, he didn't argue with Russell Peters over it because they're actually friends and have known each other since teenage years. If you watch the whole talk they speak on it.
3:03 hey my friend oam new to this heavyweight old boxers if you can tell me where it was when mike and Lennox Lewis were sparing in what boxing gym was that filmed in if you know where mike Tyson lived at that time an showed Lennox his room if you know reply
Intelligence and education are two different things
The only seperation is the application of the acquired knowledge, no matter where it's from.
@James Bond the fact that you cannot differenciate between intelligence (iq) and an education makes you an idiot. Think before you write some stupid shit again.
@James Bond this comment says a lot about how intelligent you are
@@BK-sx5ps It's hard to tell with tyson, cos he's such a genetic freak. I mean look at that photo of him and lennox young tyson is already built like a body builder at 16.
@James Bond you knew mike?
Lennox was always likeable, class, intelligent, and well spoken. Salute to you Lennox.
I Am The One Who Knocks fuck yourself
@I Am The One Who Knocks Yea go fuck yourself!
He's actually arrogant as fuck
DreamBeatsBakery how is he? He’s a humble person. In this whole interview he could have easily bad mouthed Tyson.
@@_Chubs_
Watch his fight with Tyson the post fight interview Mike is complimenting him like crazy and he doesn't acknowledge it once and instead goes on and on about how he's the best boxer ever. Pretty arrogant if you ask me.
Lennox is an amazing interview and a class act. I’m so glad to have watched his career as champ.
True,Lennox was clas act in and out of ther ing.Not a loudmouth at all
I’m so happy legends like this still exist.
The way Mike and Lennox talk nowadays their the kind of guys to stop a fight before being involved in one.
Lennox is a true champion and a true gentleman. Lennox and Tyson are both two of the all time greats.
💯
Lennox Lewis is one of the most rational boxers , probably on a par with Vladimir Klichko. Cold, calculated. Real example of one who ended his career on time, as a champion, and without loss of reputation
One of my favourite fights, Lennox vs Vitali.. if you havent seen it go watch it now!
Yo FG racial?.. you’re an idiot!!!
agree 100 %
Mr. Nobody racial and rational too different things you plastic tool
Ryan Gilbert Great fight, Vitaliti was clearly winning to me before the stoppage
Lennox has great patience and a soft spoken. Smart guy.
Lennox Lewis is a straight up class act and a Great boxer
Lewis did admit Tyson was an early bloomer , he knows he didn't fight a prime Tyson in his heart.
Shut the fuck up. Lewis completely humiliated tyson in front of the world.
Lewis beats any version of Tyson.
exactly.prime time Tyson would wreck prime time Lewis inside 2 rounds
@@no5tre557 Prime Tyson couldn't handle Buster Douglas get real, Lennox Lewis was in a different league.
@xCrnicelik308z Mike Tyson was pick a boo style fighter, that is exactly what he likes, bigger fighters, with better reach, his style of fighting was to surprise those long ass mother fuckers.
Tyson’s prime was late 80s they fought in early 2000s
His prime was 1986 to 2002. He was a bit slower in the early 2000's but more skilled than he was in the 80's.
Lewis was older
@Andrew Dunn Some people are fit enough to stay in their primes for a long time.
@@k9cfc Some people can be. Yes, your body changes inside of 16 years but you would gain experience and skill.
@@H.K.5 not at all
Mike is very unique, he was definitely one of my hero’s from the 90s that stuck with me I never left his corner even after Holyfields ear incident, he is very intelligent, the hard life has taught him some valuable lessons, when he talks he has some really good insights into the journey of life, he’s brutal honest and uncorruptable
3:30 "how old was Tyson at that time?"
"Tyson was like a... he was about 52"
I bursted laughing I dont know why 😂
LMFAO
As I read this comment he said it.
@@eddieleejoseph2998 i love youtube audio comments (YAC) , is that a thing?
i think you will find that that 52 remark was an estimation on what Tysons win record was at that time when they fought, Lewis misunderstood the question..
He had mistaken the question with Mike’s record
Joe “I invite Lennox Lewis onto my show and just talk about Mike Tyson” Rogan
But we did that so NO Tyson Talking about his 2nd best position pre Klitch,Fury
lmao!
Kris "I only watched this clip of the podcast" Backhouse
It was like 3 hours. Time to talk about everything
Watched the whole podcast eh?
I thought Russell Peters was prince naseem 😆😭😭😭
Crying
whoever he is, he keeps making incorrect statements but really confidently like it's definitely true! e.g. saying that Lennox turned pro after Mike had lost, that Tyson would've been younger than 17 in 84, etc
Prince naseem hit harder than lewis
Mannnnn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha perfect
Listening to this interview, I realize what a class act Lennox Lewis really is.
Get him on your show and talk about other boxers careers and he handles it with grace and appreciation.
Insinuations of Tyson being lesser than when the two had their bout.
He handled it like a champion.
I need to see more of that myself. It enrichment for me.
Exactly! 💓
All I can say is thank you internet. I am sitting here listening to Lennox Lewis, discuss Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato, who trained Ali... these fighters are absolutely legendary, and I will never have the opportunity to sit and talk with them and a pop cast like this is the closets I will ever get to these conversations. In the 70s and 80s all folks had was print media, today, we can see a man's eyes when he reflects on his legendary life. Thanks for posting this.
Best Mike Tyson Quote ..
"Everyone has a plan ... until they get punched in the face" ....
obergsson mouth
That's a great line.
That is my plan.
obergsson it’s actually a Joe a Louis quote that Tyson recycled
Really never heard that one pal 😂
Tyson wasn’t in his damn prime in 2002 cmon now.
@@vigorkomar7296 shut the fuck up bum squad
Vigor Komar chill stupid kid
Lennox is OLDER than Tyson. So Lennox also wasn't in his prime in 2002 either.
@@taylors4658 Age and prime dont go hand in hand. Someone can be at his prime 24 yo and someone 32 yo. So that artument that he was older means nothing.
@@daryusmirza3905 go to hell ASAP
Imagine getting into a podcast just to talk bout your opponent
I will left there is no way i am going to talk about a opponent i kick his ass
I know. So disrespectful
Joe is such an amazing dude. I love you Joe, form the bottom of my heart- you've helped me get through a lot.
Mike turned pro in 85 and became youngest heavyweight champion in 86
78dachamp I remember at 13 years old watching the T.Berbick M.Tyson fight with my pops...and my Pops said Tyson will be the youngest Heavy Weight Champ in History within 3 rounds before the fight started...and we all know the outcome lol...thing is at the time I didn’t know who Mike Tyson was...But that fight on I never missed one of his fights. Then as a freshman in highschool I won a total of $500.00 “and that’s all I had by the way” on the Larry Holmes vs. Mike Tyson fight I was the only one out of 9 of my friends and myself that bet $50.00 on Tyson...I risked it all at cleaned house 🤘🏼 i still know a couple of those guys to this day and bust there Balls from time to time 😏
While that was impressive, you have to look who he beat to win those championships. Nobodies.
An absolute legend of the game
💯
@aaron pryor Lennox wasn't even a professional you idiot.
Let’s get lennox Lewis on to talk about mike Tyson the whole time. 😂
I have the highest level of respect for Lennox Lewis. A true boxing great, champion and a fantastic representation of the British athletic culture.
3:03 hey my friend oam new to this heavyweight old boxers if you can tell me where it was when mike and Lennox Lewis were sparing in what boxing gym was that filmed in if you know where mike Tyson lived at that time an showed Lennox his room if you know reply
Same
There's an argument for him as best HW of all time.
Love Lennox. Such a humble and unbiased guy.
except when he said he fought mike tyson in tyson's prime lol.
Good for Joe for saying mike was not in his prime as we all know! Even Lennox!
In his prime of his fighting, because of jail and mental issues. Lennox is older.
By a year
Right... I was a bit confused when Lennox said Mike was in his prime. He was no longer the Mike we knew from the beginning.
@@MrPem1023 Lennox was around at the same time. I remember WWE/F having him on tv. He could have fought Tyson and/or Holyfield in the late 80s/early 90s.
Yeah but how many people are arpund the same age and one in his prime and the other not. Its not like he waited until he got too old, they were around the same age, was point.
Tyson in his prime was unstoppable.
No . . Disagree
Buster Douglass
Rubbish.
Tyson was always going to fall down against someone who could box! At any stage in his career Lewis beats him unless Tyson found that one shot!
Lol
Lennox Lewis always looks calm and collected with very good self-control. When he fought he always made it look easy even though I know it wasn't. Great boxer. And age doesn't seem to touch this boxer, he has very good genes. God bless him. I have so much love and respect for Lennox Lewis. ❤️#1👍🏽
Hey Mr Rogan, love your podcasts and the varied topics you cover are so interesting and great to listen to...Think the guests you are able to get to sit opposite from you are so special and awe inspiring keep up the awesome work...
Lennox is a sweetheart and champion boxer. Met him in the nineties. Gracious dude
Did you ever wish that you fight him in his prime?
Wow what a question!!!
Joe *the king of keeping it real* rogan
Savage
don't mention the moon landings though.
It’s true though!!!
When Pacquiao fought Oscar he was still good but TYSON was done! He had 1 round left and that was it!!!
The obvious answer is NO! Anyone fighting Tyson in his prime was going to get rolled.
Lenox was a legendary boxer. He was dangerous and could really punch
Lennox is a class act... I wasn't a big fan but I followed his career just like the other boxers of his Era.
I’ve worked with Tyson’s son Miguel in the studio and we talked about that he wanted to box and he said Mike told him that. He is amazing musically. I told him I couldn’t see him fighting and music is his thing. Those are some huge shoes to fill.
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Fun Fact: Tyson and Lewis sparred in the mid 80s and mike knocked him out the ring. Iron mike is real.
Then Lennox exposed him, outboxed Tyson the following days to show how beatable Tyson actually was.
@@BoyDanny93 that was post prison Mike
Fact Tyson states in his own interviews Lennox out boxed him and Tyson said he knocked Lennox down in sparring a few times never was reported he got knocked out but Lennox like Fury, like mayweather, Ali will always out box there opponent
@Shawnsta 777 yea.. and Lewis later in that future fight.. Lewis must came in the ring with revenge on his mind.. cause you look back at the fight you can look at Lewis’s face as he enters the ring he wanted to destroy Mike..Lol and he did just that...💯💯😂💯💯
@@richardsmith70 a lot of people don't understand how dangerous Tua was. He was knocking everyone out till he met Lewis.
I still think a prime Tua stops Tyson (jmo)
What a great interview. Class act for sure. So calm and level headed
Lennox couldn't find anyone that wanted to fight him for so many years, because they all realised how good he was.
Tyson and Lennox sparring in the 80's as teens two legends at their peck and skills, two of my top 5 heavyweights of all-time in boxing.
Who is your top 5 ?
"Tyson WAS in his prime when we fought." I don't think so, chief. 😂
He was. Lewis was in his prime too, but both tail end. Tyson became intimidated after the second round. I saw the fight live. He gave up.
He was a shell of a fighter....same version that Danny Williams and Kevin McBride beat.
@@righttoexplain are you kidding me mike Tyson was washed up when they fought Lewis dodged Tyson and holyfield for years he fought both of them on the way down where was Lewis when they where both champs? He was out there fighting nobody's
AND WHEN TYSON FOUGHT EVANDER X 2 AN LENNOX FOUGHT EVANDER X 2 and EMBARRESSED EVEANDER WHERE AS TYSON WAS NOTHING IN THE MID 90s WHAT WAS THAT? LEWIS BEAT EVERYONE HE FOUGHT AND TYSON NEVER CAME CLOSE???? mhmmmm SO LEWIS IS 100% BETTER. U may SAY Klitchko LOST TO A 40 yo old Lewis who smahed up his face and won luckily but watch the old fotage. LEWIS BEAT MORE WORLD CHAMPS FROM RIDDICK IN THE 80s to KLITCHKO in the 20 next Centry slah Millenium ETC... TYSON NOT SO MUCH???? Both had their Busta Moments but Lewis Smashed em back and left Boxers in tears a dozen times...See the vids...He even beat Ridicks ass in the Studio back in the day....SO PLEASE. TYSON WAS HUNGRY GOING IN TO LEWIS AND WAS YEARS YOUNGER AND GOT KNOCkED THE FUCK OUT BEGGING FOR A 2nd CHANCE AFTE KLITCH WHO WOULDA KILLED TYSON AS DID ALL THE POST 06 FIGHTS.....KNOCKED OUT SO PLEASE BY TYSON REALITY SO BOUNCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW BUSTA WOULDA BEEN SMASHED BY LEWIS BACK WHEN TOO. Boxing is British Martial arts in part and for centuries the training has been passed down and Americans had it for a few years like the Italians and Russians or Greeks. Americans did well but its done and now the UFC is THE REAL DEAL WITH S AMERICA AND EUROPE DOMINATING WITH THE RARE SET UP AMERICAN FIGHTS. GSP, Couter Gracie and even Brock are the top dogs and more will come...
Lewis is denying it lol... tyson wasnt in his prime when he fought lewis
Lennox is a gentleman through and through so much respect for that man .
Lennox is a real one. So much respect for him.
Sure Lennox won against Tyson(NOT IN HIS PRIME), but Tyson and Ali will always be GOAT. Mike Tyson impressed me the most.
Tysons best win is a blown up lhw Spinks and an ancient Larry Holmes. He's the most overrated boxer of all time
@@lukaszs5046 most overrated of all time.... that's just stupid. He just made world class boxers look like beginners. But feel free to think otherwise.
Tyson fought a lot of no name boxers and the bigger names he fought against he lost Evander, Lennox. If Tyson had to fight more than 4 rounds he was done because most of em were over so quick, he wasn't used to fighting long bouts.
Ali fought some of the biggest names in boxing. His era was filled with champions. Patterson, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Spinks, Holmes.
IMO ALI is undeniably the GOAT.
edit: add Ken Norton to the Ali list.
@@jkbdk6723 who did Tyson beat that, lets say Vitali Klitschko wouldn't beat?
Lukasz S some of the no name fighters tyson beat were actually legit like tucker, thomas and biggs and holmes was not that old after the tyson fight he was still winning fights and lost yet went to a decision with holyfield years after getting koed by the real mike with kevin rooney.
No Lennox, you didn't fight Mike in his prime bro.
@@jakeholland1848 tyson burnt out much earlier though m8...and what casuals like mike dont realise is that if you watch the full episode Lennox himself says he beat a tyson who was past it, not his best anymore
Lewis wasn’t in his prime either mate... truth is Lewis was a really bad fight for mike no matter how old he was.. Lewis was a great outside fighter and Tyson was an inside counter puncher so it’s a bad matchup for Tyson. Not saying one is better than the other. The only thing I would add is Lewis fought and beat way better competition. But that’s not Tyson’s fault. The 1990s heavyweight scene was a lot better than the 1980s heavyweight scene.
@@jakeholland1848 yeah maybe, but I'd have loved to have seen the vicious Tyson full of rage against lewis, the tyson lewis fought was giving up on fighting
Lewis wanted to fight him earlier.
Tyson ducked and gave up the WBC belt rather than fight Lewis.
@@bl4ckkn1g8t5 tyson lost his love for the fighting mate he stopped caring
Just so interesting! It's my day off and I have things to do, but I couldn't pull myself away from listening to this! So much respect for this man! Not only a boxing champion but so intelligent. I wish he could reach all these kids that are just floating through life with no guidance. Every young man needs to be taught how to be a real man by the greats that came before them. I didn't have that. My dad was there, but he just never gave me any advice or guidance. I feel like I turned out well. My wife says I did.
Lennox is a true legend of the ring. Incredible boxer.
Lennox was a huge cool beast and still have my biggest respect
Same goes for me
"In a sense I fought him in his prime," That's what I call an alternate fact lol.
Not to be pedantic but think he said 'In essence'
Tyson was far from his prime, at 21 tyson would of sparked you hands down.
@@britsfirstfitness5026 he just said he spanked Tyson when they were amateurs sparring. The Tyson fanboys amaze me. Tyson lost EVERYTIME he fought an equal opponent and in Douglas case a lesser but Very Game opponent
@@steelpulse3977 once he said he had the better of him out the 4 days and he was only 14 so no he didn't did he.
When he was 18 and Tyson was 17.
The picture of a young Lennox and Mike just goes to show they were both destined for greatness. They could both have had that picture taken with so many other fighters who have long fell by the wayside or simply didn’t make the grade.
Wow! Russell peters is such a boxing encyclopedia. Amazing. Great to hear from a legend like Lennox
Even if it was 1983, Tyson was 17 so Lennox is correct about the age he sparred him. Russell might be wrong on that one.
Not to mention Tyson had not lost when Lennox debut. Tyson lost Feb of 1990. So take that "encyclopedia" toss it in the trash and upgrade to a computer with google. Sighhhhhhh
He made some mistakes tho, like saying that Lennox turned pro after Mike first lost in Jan 1989 when really Mike's first loss was in Feb 1990
@@j2alomar He made a mistake fair enough but he still knows his stuff, just not the exact dates or whatever lol
Lenox Lewis DID NOT face Tyson in his prime, despite what he says.
+1
ignorant of him even thinking that!
Agreed, Mike would have walked right over him. Not that Lewis was not skilled, Mike was just in another state of mind in his prime.
I agree, but he's not gonna admit to that cause he wants to claim he was the best of his time and he beat the best. We all know that was not the case. I think even Riddick Bow or could have beaten Lewis, so could Razor Ruddock if he wasn't passed his prime also.
@@TheSoloAsylum 31 year old prime lewis beats a 21 year old prime tyson.
Albit Capinigro Lewis wasn't in his prime too.
Lennox Is the only comedian on the panel saying he fought Tyson in his prime LOL!!!
He fought him in a prime. He's not in prime now you dumb fawk.
Lennox is older than mike. At the end of the day mike lost no matter what excuses you come up and he lost against pretty much all the top level guys he faced and Also some fucking rock bottom ones too. I’m a massive Tyson fan but the records are fact
Lennox is older than Mike, how was Mike out of his prime and Lennox in his prime?
@@edp-gb6yz Mike was in prison for 3 years. Didnt box.
You guys make it sound like Tyson was chained to a rock or something when he was locked up. He DID work out while he was in there. He's never used that time as an excuse. You shouldn't either. He beat up enough people when he got out. He said he was angry when he got out.
Listening to Lennox talk about the sparring just amazing. Great explanation of ho the bloomed at different times.
Lenox as great as he was still has a hard time accepting the Tyson he beat was a shadow of himself.
Lennox was older than Mike.
I agree...but a win is a win....I think lewis ...Holyfield always relied on skill and Discipline where Tyson lost those after he lost Cus...relied on power and strength which wont get you far in Professional Boxing.
@@BazIrvine Nothing to do with age, but motivation & self discipline. Tyson's only opponent in life, & especially in boxing, has only ever been himself. He was lost as a child, & lost for most of his adulthood. When Cus was alive, Mike briefly felt that he was worth something, & felt the approval from Cus that was worth fighting & winning for. The Jesuits have had a saying for hundreds of years. 'Show me a boy of 7, & I will show you the man.' Self worth is instilled early in life, & people have spent entire lifetimes trying to rise from the ashes of their childhood years.
@Cryer24597 Coulda, woulda, shoulda. We can all speculate about what COULD have happened, - but none of us, not even the boxing professionals, know what WOULD have happened. You could just as easily speculate, - who did Ali ever meet who was remotely the equal of a prime 19 - 21 year old Tyson? Frazier came closest in size, work rate & style, & Frazier believed rightly or wrongly that he won all 3 fights, & floored Ali in one. & Frazier was completely blind in one eye in all 3 fights. In style, speed, knockout punch in both hands, Tyson could have won easily. But that doesn't mean that he WOULD have won, because Ali had far more heart, & didn't become frustrated & disheartened when he couldn't knock his opponent out. Same with Lewis & Holyfield. Tyson absolutely had the power, speed, & defense to have destroyed both in his prime skill years. That still doesn't mean that he WOULD have. Lewis, Holyfield & Ali, all had a measured, calm skilled style that gets better with age & wisdom. Tyson, on the other hand, because he was only 5'11" at best & 15 & a half stone, had to rely on Frazier's style of speed, defense, body movement, & multi punch complex combinations, with a very aggressive high work rate. This only suits youth & hyper fitness, along with highly disciplined training. Lose any one of those aspects, & Tyson becomes vulnerable to 6'5"" big hitters & shrewd defenders. As we saw in the Douglas fight, looking for single shots instead of combinations, & a very low work rate, simply didn't work for an undisciplined, complacent, lazy Tyson, & he paid the price against a man he should have beaten inside the first round. But Douglas, as Mike acknowledged, trained specifically & fought the best fight of his entire career. For Douglas, they met at precisely the right time in their careers. Douglas in the ascendant of his career, Tyson spiralling downwards out of control. & that is my point here. Early on, Lewis lost against Tyson when they were both young, but Tyson lost to Lewis & Holyfield later in his career, when he had lost skill, speed, & combinations, & they had gained in experience & defense. Everyone has a moment in time when they are the best they are ever going to be. Tyson's came early, Lewis, & Holyfield's came late career.
@Cryer24597 If you watch back all Tyson's victories, you notice that not one of his knockout victories was a straight arms length punch. Every single one was either a right or left hook, or an upper cut. He was the little guy against every single one of his opponents, which meant that they all had a considerable reach advantage over him. This means that straight punching at distance made him extremely vulnerable to long ranged big hitters! He HAD to get inside & up close where his opponents reach held no advantage. That requires a very elusive quick moving defense, an extremely forward aggressive high work rate, & multiple punch combinations to work the body to bring the hands down to leave the head open. A low work rate & just waiting for an opening for a single punch to the head would only work for a very tall long reach big straight hitter like Wilder, or Lewis. For a little guy like Tyson or Frazier, it would be catastrophic. & it was, as we saw before the Douglas fight even happened. Tyson was becoming lazy & complacent 3 fights before the Douglas farce.
Tyson was in his Prime from 86-91
Lewis was in his Prime from like 97(After the Oliver McCall Loss) til he retired.
They fought on 2002, Mike was 10 Years out of his Prime with a 4 1/2 Year Jail Bid.
After he got out doing that bid pretty docile hewasn't aggressive
The read more was on point bruh lol
The prison bid ruined him, he still had the same aggression but the big shot ( and reflexes) just weren't there.
THANK YOU!!! Theres a reason Mike turned Pro first AND their almost the same age. MIKE would have destroyed his whole career before it started.
Cus warned Mike of everything. Mike just had to learn on his own
idk I think if Cus were around as a father figure long enough, let's say until Mike would be more mature he could have preserved him from a lot of evil, from bad decisions Mike made, from letting himself go, from his own anger.
No, Cus covered up for Tyson again and again. He caused Tyson’s downfall for purely selfish reasons.
@@godgunsandgoldens Haha yeah because you would know aye, fuck outta here
No cus kinda ruined mike Tyson in the head, he turned him into a killer (and he never taught him how to turn that instinct off) and he also give him a huge ego
Lmao mike had that killer instinct before he met Cus
So nice that Mike is being respected for his intelligent's now. I have being saying it for years but people never believed me.
After he retired and didn't need to be the alter ego, "Iron Mike," I would listen to him in interviews and actual write down quotes he would say.
He is in a good place now, he is loved and that is all he wanted from life.
Lennox is such a great speaker and respectful too, I liked how he stayed quiet about the trainers that took care of post prime Tyson while the other guy just said the first thing that came to his mind.
Lennox did NOT fight Mike in his prime, no way!
neither did holyfeld or buster.
tyson was supposed to fight holyfeld earlier but got locked up in prison haha
And he sure as hell didn't fight Evander in his prime, yet still couldn't put him down.
This is a silly comment , Lennox was not in his prime either, when they met in the ring Lennox was older than Tyson!
Definitely!!
True words from not just a champion! But good human being
Lennox and Mike I can’t say enough how much I love these two.
Great interview. Makes me want to watch some heavy weight boxing!
Old school heavyweight i hope that was the good shit
Dwayne Cunningham you better watch pickachu trailers
CZcams 'Rummy's Corner' if you want some good boxing retrospectives. His look back on 90s heavyweights is top notch.
I never really watched boxing but knew about your Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis when they were at their prime but I really enjoy these podcasts with boxing greats.
Where do you recommend I start to get into the sport as a fan?
@sayvar44 But boxing is redundant now...all those 30 years training were wasted...
I was never much of a boxing fan, but man I loved watching Lewis back in the day. Big and fast as hell
Len has a good head and a good heart. We always need both.
Lennox's input just puts more light into Mike's legacy.
Lennox a true stud and gentleman. Best boxer in my opinion ever, and truly a great man.
Man Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest and hearing him say Mike Tyson is an intelligent dude, man all bs aside, respect from former competitors, it's great to witness. that's what it's all about
How such a gentle giant can be such a beast in a ring.
Lewis vs Klitchco was a legendary performance.
Joe: Do you wish you fought Tyson in his prime?
Lennox: In essence, I did fight him in his prime.
Me: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lennox knows he didn't fight a prime Tyson. He just doesn't want his win to feel cheap....
Me: 😒
Tyson was 10 years padt best
Lol
Do you want tyson prime to be until 22??????? Tyson was still young when he fought Lewis. Idiot
Lennox fought Mike Tyson.... Not Iron Mike.. Big difference!
Mike refused to fight him in 96.. lennox was game...
So many butt hurt yanks😂🤣😊
@@mrgreen9388 I'm not American and yet honest enough to see that they are right. Tyson had barely even reached his peak when he went to jail and it ruined the most important time in his career. When he came back he wasn't the same fighter, it is obvious to see.
@@-tibbs-4353 Mike was shot in 96 too. He was shot starting in like 91..
@Dwane Worrell What you don't know is Mike avoided Lewis in his prime. Lewis was paid off to not fight Mike. The US kept it quite, they didn't want their man to loose to anyone.
-the combination of Lewis' size, strength, fight-knowledge, and level of confidence made for.. what I believe was... THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER, I've ever witnessed fight... and I grew up in the '70's, watching Muhammad Ali fight - I have A WHOLE LOT, of respect, for Muhammad Ali as a fighter - I truly believe, Lennox Lewis, in his prime... would have defeated Muhammad Ali, in his prime - Lennox Lewis... HAD IT ALL - in his prime, he was THE MOST COMPLETE HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTER, I'VE EVER SEEN... it's just that.. he's modest, with a reserved, "Englishman" style, about himself... he's NEVER self-promoted, like SO MANY boxers do... I KNOW, what I saw coming from Lennox Lewis in the 90's - and what I saw, was... REAL DOMINANCE. make no mistake about it... LENNOX LEWIS WAS A BAD MAN. don't let the "nice-guy" stuff fool ya'.. in the ring, Lennox Lewis was... ALL BUSINESS.
Big Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield... Those were the days man.
But has he ever dome dmt is the real question. More importantly... Has he played quake? ASK THE REAL QUESTIONS JOE
Did Lennox ever use Local Area Network by chance?
Get R Kelly on JRE
@@welhynole4082 imagine that .
Tyson did, he said it on the podcast with joe
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The things that defeated Tyson were Don King, Robin Given, and all the entertainment sideshows that come with boxing. These elements used him and abused him more than any of his in-ring opponents ever did. Glad he found a better way today.
Glad he never beat anyone to death😐
Douglas, Lewis Holyfield all beat than ass too
How bout the rape charge? You dumbass
Spoken like a TRUE boxing historian. Exactly bro he was beaten outside of ring NEVER in it! And I can name many fighters called the Greatest of All time who were beaten inside ring & given credit for victories they never had??? 🙈
@@rivafussball6719 mike tyson is given credit for victories he never had, like holmes as if holmes was something in the late 80s, against holyfield in his "prime" but he ran from holyfield saying that he had rib injury, lennox wich he ran from in 1996 and any other fighter that people say "oh mike tyson would have beaten him if it wasnt for that and for that" stop making excuses mike tyson's downfall is his own fault.
Very hard to find discussion programmes like this on TV... Very refreshing and educational...
I've always liked Lennox Lewis. Even more now!
My Respect for Lennox.
Greetings from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
*Lewis is a gentleman. Best jab in the business, too.*
His jab was a killer, think Tua broke his nose but then got picked to death, Len shut him down with the jab
Larry Holmes might argue about the jab.
Good point, Larry mighta had the most evil jab ever. Larry was a very,very bad man. ouch, @@jasonkerns691
Holmes, Bowe Had Better Jabs...
A killing machine.
Would love to see that footage!!
Lennox is as wise and interesting to listen to as they getII And the best fight caller ever.
I never really liked Lewis until I saw this, Lennox is a wise man. Young men need to listen to older men. That's what is missing, you can't buy it, you can't sell it.... it's natural, and the young people need it now more than ever!
Joe "Oprah for men" Rogan
I call him Broprah
That’s funny because it’s kind of true.
shhhh this is our safe place ! don't ruin it **manly tears**
Holy shit. That's so true. Lol
Joeprah