The Rise Of Electric Buses
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Electric buses and trolleybuses have been making a comeback in 21st century cities, after being ditched in the 20th century. In this video, we'll explore what trolleybuses and battery electric buses are, how they work, what are their advantages and disadvantages, and if they are viable.
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timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:49 What is a trolleybus?
1:55 Proposals for the electrification of buses
3:26 Battery Electric and depot charging
5:13 Battery Electric and on-route charging
5:48 Trolleybus
6:56 Trolleybuses in Prague
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Nice video. Existing trolleybus networks are getting extended, it makes a lot of sense especially since they already have a lot of these busses.
But new networks aren’t really getting built. And while I would love for more trolleybusses to exist, we have to remember there is high capital cost involved. Trolleybusses fill a tight niche because when you’re building electrification anyway, you’re pretty close to having a tram, which is a big upgrade.
However I think I need to defend battery busses a bit.
Solaris urbino 12 electric with 300km range has a 520kWh battery. A Tesla model 3 long range has 78 kWh of battery.
So this bus has the environmental impact of about 6 teslas, while running all day every day and transporting tons of people. It will also probably be used for longer than the Tesla.
And remember, cities like mine can buy busses with small battery and charge at the end of the line.
There is also the alternative of hydrogen but right now it’s quite expensive to operate, but has the advantage of less weight
Both trolleybusses, battery and hydrogen significantly improve the smoothness of the ride.
I agree that E-buses in general significantly improve the quality of the ride, and I also agree that battery buses are good, too
I personally like trolleybuses more, but I do see the benefits of battery buses
In the end, if we're moving towards public transport, and away from cars, that's a win in my book
Right from the start. Battery buses suck, trolleybuses are the GOATs.
I'm quite a big fan of trolleybuses too!
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They work perfectly fine in the Netherlands (there's even fewer complaints about noise), lol
The Bloopers are funny 😂
Well done.
Thank you!
If you have the usage (say 70 buses an hour), it could make sense to build wires. They can then branch out without wires reaching out to different districts. Does not make much sense for routes with 2 buses per hour on the other hand.
Yeah, for high demand routes (like the future line 59 trolleybus in Prague, which sees a bus every 2-3 minutes at peak hours), trolleybuses absolutely make sense
Trolleybuses are goat, but battery-extended trolleybuses can be godly
Trolleybuses with batteries are pretty great, not so expensive, deadly, road and cold destroying as battery buses, but still being able to go off wire
Great video. I love the bloopers part.😂 I guess you are from Czechia and from Prag.👍
Could you do a video about the new cableway line in Prag, that was canceled And overall what do you think about cableways as public transportation system?
Yes, I am from Prague, haha
and sure, I could definitely make a video about cable cars!
@@TheTramlyIf you wanna do a video on cable cars, make sure to read about the city of La Paz, Bolivia. They took the whole concept to another level.
One really minor (MAJOR) detail that you missed on the drawbacks of the battery electric buses. They are heavy. Yes, you addressed that, but you didn't address all the problems that causes. Since the vehicle is so heavy, it needs a seriously beefy suspension... and that suspension is going to be incredibly inflexible... and the passenger experience inside the bus is going to be miserable because of it. My city has gone all in on battery electric buses, and on those buses, you can feel every single tiny bump in the road. I ride roller coasters for fun, never feeling sick afterwards... but I'll get motion sickness on our battery electric buses with how rough the ride is.
Thanks for the feedback, you're right, I should've mentioned that!
Hopefully the Solaris trolleybuses (on line 59) along with the Škoda electrics will prove more reliable than the s*itparade going on on line 58 with the SOR TNS and Cegelec electics...
I hope so..
I'd be interested to see a comparison of the life expectancy of each type of bus. Over time, the battery in an electric vehicles degrades and the replacement costs are prohibitive so what might seem like the most efficient choice now, could mean they need to purchase new buses sooner. Trolleybuses seem to be the better of both worlds.
I could do a part 2 on in the future!
I love trolleybuses, and the cities that are mainating and expanding them (my city is one of those, but it's doing it extremely slowly). Also, imagine like, one of the biggest trolleybus networks in the world was completely stopped in recent times... oh wait...
I like trolleybuses as well, they're great!
and with the expansion stopping... L
Trolley buses best buses
Electric trains best trains
Anything else isnt fully based
I mean, it depends on stuff like travel demand, etc. but yes, in an ideal world, that'd be nice
Electric buses are good, but for real they often accelerate harsher than gas busses
Yes, they're like electric cars in this regard - the electric motor allows the bus to accelerate really quickly
I'm afraid that trolleybuses in general are on the last stretch. NIMBYS will always hate overhead lines and will push for battery powered busses.
The main issue is that networks are made by the addition of lines which often get opened all at once together with a new fleet of trolleybuses, as soon one of this fleets gets at the end of their lifespan, there will be the question "will we place an order for trolleys and busses separately, or we try to have a larger order just with battery-electric busses?".
That's unfortunately true..
@@TheTramly An item that would be interesting be about the bus vs trolleybus battle would be if the evidence of transport infrastructure matters on city development patterns. There is a perception that the evidence of physical infrastructure drives local development investments more than less evident infrastructures.
As trolleybuses have more or less the same capacity of a bus line, but have more visible infrastructure.
I would be curious given two identical areas and providing several level of sole bus or sole trolleybus services if the level of infrastructure drive more investment.