Magnetic Energy - Crude Magnet Disc Challenge!
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2019
- After seeing a fake magnet / magnetic 'free energy' video, I was asked to try and also make a crude version of magnets on a disc and see if there is any truth to the theory.
I have an inkling that unless you are someone like Nikola Tesla, then its going to be quite a challenge for someone to actually make this a reality! - Zábava
It's called cogging and the laws of thermal dynamics. Probably the first honest video I've seen on this topic
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There is one adjustment that I'd love to see. Remove the magnet on the pedestal, and compare the spin time. That would at least give you a control to see whether the magnets are affecting the rotation. Also, you might try wrapping a string around the shaft connected to a weight through a pulley so you can give every configuration exactly the same amount of energy when you spin it up. If you come up with ANY configuration that is better than free spin with no fixed magnet you will have my attention!
Got to put both wheel on a gear drive to sync it at the right moment for a continuous push ! Kinda like a cam shaft in time with piston and the valve to keep it moving .
The positioning of the magnets on the spinning wheel will make a big difference as does your size and dimension of your magnetic propeller. Having that single force more focused would provide the same stream like influence of flowing water
Ie not parallel to the circular edge but rather angled to recieve the directed blow from the single opposing force which needs repositioned also.
Might even look into an over tube wrap of magnetic blocking material to focus the magnetic wave.
Excelente ganhou mais um inscrito pela honestidade
Rig the main sending magnet(left) on a gear system so it moves away and back towards the wheels at time where it is only present when opposing a passing magnet on the wheel. This is easier if you only have one magnet on the wheel. This way it misses a magnet when attracted and then realigns just as the opposing are of the magnet on the wheel passes by. Kind of like kicking off the ground while on a scooter. Make contact for a moment of thrust, then back away, then again at the precise moment best for thrust(opposing magnetic force).
Or perhaps use two opposing magnets, on a see saw arm, offset to the spacing between the magnets on the wheel. So the push, moves the next magnet closer in relative to peak push. Might work..
@@parrotshootist3004 As long as it cannot reach equilibrium.
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@@BaptistJoshua get the spacing right and it should have to oscillate. But without trying it, that's the challenge to over come.
@@parrotshootist3004 Yep.
Your diagrams drawn on the disc were more likely to have success. Notice your magnet spots you marked with dark tape were angled keeping the opposing pole at the opposite end of each magnet away from your target zone of ideal magnetic propulsion. But when you mounted the magnets you put them all in line with the edge which unfortunately allows the opposite pole (magnetic field) to come in contact with your target zone, causing magnetic braking, robbing you of the propulsion you have between your bigger drive magnet and your smaller repeller magnets. Do you see what I mean.? Put them all at angles keeping the opposing force (attractive force) further in and away. Follow your own example of the dark tape marks on your disc.
INTERESTING. i WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE OPPOSING POLE IN LEAD POSITION, AND MULTIPLE FIXED MAGNETS POSSIBLE ON ANOTHER GEAR (MAYBE ONE THAT CANNOT SPIN AS QUICK)
This is cool. I got mine to spin for 9 minutes and 10 sec without a bearing using a vertical setup and levitation. I was unaware of the challenge.
😂😂😂 También se puede hacer por mas tiempo y superior a 9 minutos y sin imanes ,una simple peonza en casi levitación y un fuerte giro de manos 💁
You might try 2 or 3 large repelling magnets and offset them just enough so that when one wants to pull on the wheel the other one will start pushing then add a 3rd to go just about 1/8 behind where the other magnet begins to push. That way there is always one or 2 pushing and over taking the ones pulling.
they did that what was needed was a bridge in the gap! All we had to do was slow down,
No.
Magnetic fields don't overlap so pressing them close just warps the field, but remains balanced.
You'd need to narrow/warp/eliminate/short circuit/reroute a portion of the field attracting the magnets.
Mu-metal would shield the magnetic interference between the magnets
which should focus the magnetic field of the opposing magnets a bit better, also the perendev motor uses the same concept but has 3 rows of magnets and each row is a bit offset from the other to give it that push in the spaces where it wants to stop spinning
Turn the system 90⁰ and use a circumferential magnetic bearing system as opposed to mechanical bearings. Use permanent magnets throughout the rig.
If youre able to use a halbach arrangement while focusing on the negative charged pole for the rotor magnets, perhaps it may yield better results? Perhaps even using a small halbach array focusing on a negative charged pile for the propulsion magnet?
(Edit) Also, perhaps instead of using a physical stabilizer as most magnetic bearing systems use, you could incorporate the same magnetically repulsive properties to keep the rotor stable within the magnetic bearing system.
Make one so we can see 👍
That's a great experiment. Straight cylinders seem to be the hindrance. Curving the unwanted pole towards center and away from the perimeter looks like the answer.
With the magnets wanting to bounce forward and back repeatedly, maybe add a ratchet and a coil spring to power a second wheel.
Very nice video. You bring up a good point about the magnets helping to make it spin longer. To see if they have an effect, you can make a device that would start the spin, then count the rotations with and without the stationary magnet. It would be very interesting to know if the magnets actually effect the number of rotations. The starting device should be consistent. Again, very nice video
Sure the magnets are affecting the number of rotations. Without the big one this contraption will spin much longer.
@@andreasschmitt2307 dead right.
@@andreasschmitt2307 I've been playing with a similar toy here at home, the magnets make it spin more than it would otherwise then stop rather abruptly.
Remove the external magnet and then spin and it loses momentum much quicker but it doesn't have that abrupt loss of momentum.
There's something going on there, not sure what but my little toy will spin for roughly two minutes with an external magnet, I didn't actually time it without but it was a good deal less than two minutes, wasn't even close.
Proximity to the magnet makes a huge difference and adding magnets to the spinning device did not help past a point. I figured that even just adding mass would aid in the spinning duration but it did not.
Yes that's why you need a bismuth jacket around the magnets
The bismuth acts as a magnetic shield?
Bismuth is useless
I had the same idea 20 years ago, except instead of one external magnet, I made a circle of magnets around the wheel. I’m going to build it pretty soon and see the results
The problem is without using electricity it will always stop at some point
I can tell you the results, it won't work.
@@chrisadmaley Lmfao
@@woozy7405 people are so dumb about magnets they have no idea how they work lol
@Psi Starcraft it's fun to challange our brains and come up with new ways and try them out some will work some won't. Don't discourage them from trying.
I would try to put some type of insulation on the back side of the magnet spinning on the disc because that's where it seems to be attracting
Then do it.
Hard disks have insulating metals. I have a bunch of them. If you sandwich that metal between 2 neodymium magnets, there is no attraction
I ALSO HAD THIS IDEA IN A BRAINSTORM BUT FIGURED THAT THE ATTRACTION WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM VS THIS SPINNING FOR EVER WITH LITTLE ENERGY TO START OR A CONSTANT LOW VOLT DC TO IT. MAYBE THIS PAIRED WITH A RHODIN COIL AND 1--300 MLV. ANYWAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD SYMCRONIZE/STABALIZE THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ,AND PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN BEING INPUT.
One problem is the angle of the magnets on your wheel., they need to be more perpendicular to your stationary magnet. The second problem you have is that you need a “shield” on your stationary magnet ( like the ones they use on audio speakers) to dampen the field around the sides of the stationary magnet. This concept will work and yes you are on the verge of getting it right. Very honest and well made video. Thanks for sharing your experiment.
Sir have you done what you say?
Yup, “if you can block (or shield) a magnetic field, you can make a permanent magnet motor.”
I suggest you try orienting the entire device respective to the magnetic force lines in your local area, along with variations of that force based on time of day, and see how that affects your results.
You could make it so the driving magnet moves back out of position then swings itself back as the driven magnet comes into position
IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I
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I've always thought that something like this would be useful in terms of energy generation. But seeing how the fields interact, It makes sense why its not a thing to me now
Insulate is the key
Good honest approach - I've heard that some people have got only Magnets (no steel) to work - Howard Johnson's were only Magnet's but were various shapes and types - grades etc - Permanent Magnet Motors are both fascinating and frustrating - I've also read that when they oscillate and bounce around back and forth a bunch of times you are getting close it is like there is some 'force' trying to escape if we can just figure it out
that big magnet you had in your hand, did you try to lock one on top and one on the bottom so that will create a magnetic cushin to kind of support the spinning disk? but bring them so close so they feel like pushing into each other
Even though this demonstration validates the 1st law of thermodynamics, I think this just might be one of very few legit, semi-scientific attempts at harvesting "free" energy out of set of magnets. Thank you for showing us your attempt.
questa è l'ennesima dimostrazione che conferma quanto la stragrande maggioranza della gente non abbia bene in mente il concetto di energia e ne che cosa sia esattamente l'energia. Si continueranno purtroppo a vedere questi video che non dimostrano e che non possono dimostrare un cazzo, sa per quanto secoli ancora.
Do you believe it possible for magnets to produce energy? Are you sure you arent mistaking force for energy?
Nice build. What if you add a belt between the wheel and the fixed magnet bolt and make it rotate so it gives it a push
I've fallen down this rabbit hole myself. I finally came the realization that a force is not energy. It seems so much like it, especially as it's a real thing despite us not being able to see it or feel it without holding a magnet or material that interacts with a magnet.
The realization I finally came to was that energy is simply a change in state. Magnetic fields are constants, not changing, like Earth's gravity.
When you spin the wheel, you introduce kinetic force into the equation. It may seem like when it takes off, that you aren't putting an equal force in, but you are forgetting the initial potential energy you put into the system when placing the wheel in position. With just one or a few magnets, it probably wasn't any, as you likely kept the magnets far from each other initially. So, you had to fight the magnet hard to position it at the point it would repel. When the wheel was full of magnets though, you couldn't keep the magnets separated, so it probably took a lot more work getting the wheel into position. That extra effort was building up quite a bit of potential energy into the system.
What your really doing is making a low friction bearing, but there are opposing forces that still fight the turning. Plus, as no real energy is being added, eventually friction will deplete what was.
You may improve things more if you alter the angle of the magnets so only the repelling pole is facing out. It will change the bumpiness of the fields. Still won't make it turn for forever, but may turn it longer.
It could be done with a system of cam shaft like in engines with pistons, to modify the position of magnets.
The magnets on the disk should have angled slots to move through. A quick pop at the closest stopping point for the rotated magnets would help pull the wheel by bumping, instead of relying on just the field. Plus, it goes without saying, put an opposite side arm magnet.
Love the choice of music!👌
Remove the stationary magnet. Make a spring loaded pusher so that the input is repeatable. Then time the freewheeling spin.
Bring back the stationary magnet, using the same spring loaded impulse see if it’s longer or shorter runtime.
I think you've got the basic idea very well. It looks like adjusting the distance, magnet angle, size of magnets, etc. Will finish this idea very successfully. This is exactly the type of thinking & development needed when this Old System, based on the rebellion of Adam & Eve, is gone. It will be quite refreshing to be able to conceive and build all types of energy development for the future.
Though it will need energy to function, the amount it produces exceeds the amount it draws. The batteries it uses are only to start, accelerate and store energy. It will also need high voltage illumination and a cut off switch for overcharging. Then inverters can be added
Надо всегда показывать удачный эксперимент, это ведь очень важно для всех людей. Тем более есть у многих авторов каналов разные работы с положительными результатами.
Maybe you could add an escapement mechanism similar to the ones in a mechanical clock? The stationary magnet could pivot so it pushes one magnet, then doesn't "catch" the next magnet.
I made one that worked, I made the wheel similar to a car distributor with a cam and points. The outside magnets were spring loaded and fixed outside of the center wheel. As the repel came by the spring aloud it to pass, then come back up and pull.
That's a great thought. I also thought about maybe a counter weight to propel the wheel at the point that it wants to stop. Kind of like a flywheel concept. Just a thought 🤔
@@donpennington4655 what if you left everything the way you have it, only if you could make the single outer magnet on the stand so it moves in and out to push each magnet on the wheel, it pulls the magnet out of the way before it attracts then pushes. You would need something like a cam and a flywheel would help. You could put the single magnet in an aluminum cylinder and have it operate like a piston. I was working on something similar but with four pistons that would have like a circular firing order.
@@flynnstone3580 great idea 👍
Nice work Pete. I look forward for you to succeed I know using Mu metal will shield magnetic fields. Hope that helps. .
Just like the magnetic coupling of the motor and pump, which repells and attract can create a magnetic field for continuous rotating motion detection.
It seems that you need magnets shaped 90°. Have the opposing polarities pointing to the wheel center and the propelling end as you already have them so they get the boost.
Perhaps a master magnet with a spring arm that changes its direction and returns to its start position that's synchronised to attract the next magnet.
We can turn off the left side bigger magnetic for some specific intervel at the point where the megnetic locking is happening.
If you can try that would be great, with some mechanical lever attached with gears to the circular disk of magnets.
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Try a steel ball enclosed in a rubber tube on the circumference of the disc. then tip the unit at a 45-degree angle. then adjust the stationary magnet until it barely acts upon it.
Wow - I've thought about this for years. Glad someone tried it. I imagined that if the main magnet were able to spin and maybe had 2 magnets with different poles that could help
You can imagine all you want lol, no matter what you do nothing will help.
@@chrisadmaleyhi
Change the Flat Wheel, to a Fan Blade, secure the Wheels Magnets to the Angle of the Fan Blade Tips, place the Stationary Magnet, above the Fan Blades, such that it always sees only N-N or S-S Repulsion. Try that out!
Well thought out, but this too will fail. Any open magnetic system that doesn't employ some type of shielding will always have a net force of zero. Think about when you bring like poles near each other. They repel when directly opposed to each other, but the slightest movement towards a side and they will attract. So as your positive magnet is passing by other positive poles you will get slight attraction - repulsion - slight attraction. The flaw in most magnet motor systems is using magnet on magnet drive systems. I am currently building a magnet motor that utilizes the attractive forces between permanent magnets and steel, and by doing so, eliminating the usual balance of forces and working only with attraction. I'll post a video once it's built.
@@haroldkline4898what about using a halbach array of magnets on the outer magnet pusher to make the north pole larger and the south pole minimal so it catches less? Or maybe sharper geometry angles like triangle orientated instead of a ring/circle? Just some thoughts ^^
Everything in the universe needs a bridge or Gap,or Holes, so there easy to fill up.
Spacer's takes off the Edges, Gears !No more Drop off.
I don't know a lot about magnets, but is there a kind of shielding you could put along side of the big magnet on the stand so it's field didn't extend sideways and slow down the wheel? So that the field does only extend forwards?
The thing to understand about magnetic fields is you can't cut off part of them. You can guide the field, spread it out, or concentrate it, but it will maintain the same characteristics. In the common visualization of "lines" used to understand the spatial field distribution, a particular line will always be a continuous loop through the magnet through the space around it. All you can do is guide the loop with various materials or other fields.
Cannot. The magnetic field must always be closed in order to show a seeming resistance as a "force". Ergo, this "force" only manifests if there is a closed magnetic field. If there was a mythical mono-polar magnet, it would be possible, even if it would not be clear what it closed with its magnetic field. Fortunately, monopolar magnet does not exist despite the wishes of fantasts. But there is an alternative - a static electric field that actually creates such monopoles against a grounded counterpart. It would be good to examine electrostatic motors. Many people have already verified the malfunction of the magnetic engines ála Perpetuum Mobile, both scientists and fools.
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Nicely made video. The task you are up against is mechanically analogous to trying to get a low-friction cart to coast more laps around a continuous circuit of track by putting various hills in parts of the track. But because local gravity is spatially simpler than the fields around a little magnet, not many people see the cart lapping a hilly loop of track as an interesting problem - it's easy to see that no arrangement of hills can power the cart or even reduce average drag per lap. The same principle is true for the magnet wheel.
Permanent magnets don't recieve energy from anywhere, so they have none to pass on. For the same reason, no arrangement of permanent magnets can reduce net drag on the wheel (except for magnetic bearings of course).
Thanks for the superb input!
@@petesshed8422 I don't know about superb, but I'm very glad it made some sense!
The cart would work if you could have a switchable anti gravity device and the magnet wheel would work with a switchable anti magnetic device. Unfortunately neither is available without putting energy in.
@@peterstephenson4935 Exactly.
@drienkm great explanation, taught me how permanent magnets work without any effort on my part!
That's amazing I think you should put another magnet facing south on other side too..
I think the answer lies in the angle of attack. Rather than having the magnets on the disk facing only part way towards the other magnet. You should try gluing the magnets with the apposing side facing completely outward from the center of the disk so less of the attractive side is visible ! Try leaving the large stationary magnet at the same angle and then also try it facing directly at the disk.
Doesn't work magnets don't behave like rockets and angling them does nothing.
Also, I have to remind myself of this quote every now and then: "Still, the inviolability of the laws of physics has not stopped the curious from ignoring them or trying to break them.".....and that's called "Science".
Hi, thanks very much for the comments and thanks for the great quotation!
I too, love to 'tinker' with ideas and put things to the test!
Obviously, we know about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, but just to add additional passive interplay of forces, you could add a few, or several coils that get energized by moving through a magnetic field/s, and send its energy to another coil/s to repel/attract the magnet in the stator, or even add another stator further up the Z axis of the axle to interact with said coils.
Since the universe, or multiverse (if you prefer) exists, and there is plenty of movement, existence itself seems to violate the 2nd law...which happens at the quantum level routinely.
Try using the big magnet on a moving like a piston part to avoid the attraction and put a bigger distance between the small magnets and change their angle. See of that works
Nice video. Something I would like to try, is to place the magnets on the disc so that the opposing Force is pointed out and attracting force is pointed towards the center of the disc, creating a lesser magnetic field. I would like to build it, but you make the build look so easy and you have all the tools. I look forward to see if you will make this modification. It seems to me, either shielding the attractive Pole or lessening the magnetic field in relation to the opposing magnetic field will give it a more constant drive. Thank you.
There is no way to make permanent magnets drive something continuously. If our brains could visualize magnetic fields and accociated forces as easily as we can terrestrial gravity, this would be obvious to most people.
1) It would damatically violate laws of nature that have been tested and validated by countless people, countless times.
2) This specific idea has been tried countless ways and countless times by people who aren't willing to question their intuition and who have decided, conciously or not, to avoid actual physics.
@drienkm not true, this had been made in Tanzania and people produce free energy now.
@@mathiasmwingira6951 Are these people interested in showing their free energy devices to others? I'm always willing to look them up if you want to share details.
I'm not afraid to be proven wrong. But if the natural laws are wrong, why don't we see people correcting them? Where is the analytical rigor? Where are the revised physics? I've never seen coherent analysis by anyone, genuine or deceptive, who claims free energy or over unity. I only see endless demonstrations of machines that deal with the same intuative pitfalls, over and over. It's very clear to me that these people have never understood what energy is or how it is quantified (at least the people who seem sincere).
@@drienkm Finally, someone who has it in your head.
@@mathiasmwingira6951 why make stuff up? You just sound even more lik eyou have no idea whats going on.
what do you think would happen if you got the large magnet closer to tangent?
Cover the attracting pole either north or south however you choose in your setup with paper or something that doesn't work with attraction. It will rotate fine
Have you thought of using a longer cylindrical magnet so that the poles are further apart and using some magnetic shielding so that the field doesn't catch the magnet the moment it passes the stationary magnet?
It would make no difference with longer magnets, if he took the stater magnet away completely it would spin a lot longer, magnetic shielding well do absolutely nothing. The force required to repell the magnets is the same as their attracting forces therefore there is zero gain magnetic shielding or not, magnets do not behave like rockets so angling them doesn't do nothing.
easy fix is to cut away the other pole
Energy can't come for free . Remember you've got the cost of the magnets and the cost of other bits. Plus the Energy used with the battery drill to make the disc .it all adds up to a loss
Put this on wind turbines to make them a lot more efficient. Well played mate.
Not sure why it would make turbines more efficient? The best he was able to achieve was essentially a neutral balance between the magnets such that the wheel spun as if the metals were not magnetized at all.
Of course the magnets add energy to the system, put your keys near magnets and see how it pulls them. The problem is that it's just in one direction.
Alternate magnets positive negative. It will remove the cog effect. As one is pulled another is pushing.
5:05 just turn on or off the the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 AT THE RIGHT TIME 🤯... The magnet wheel 🛞 should produce just enough ⚡ electrical juice with the 90% spin and then turned on or off the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲... Or just simply INCREASE THE POWER of the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 with an electric ⚡ jolt at the RIGHT TIME to push the magnet wheel 🛞 ... Then repeat 🔁
You should be Able to unlock 🔓 more energy than put in because of kinetic energy latent in magnet's
the magnetic field is stopping me from thumbing up this video!
Dont use any attracting from the magnets. Only use the magnets to repel. Any magnets that attract to each other will cause it to stop and freeze.angle them so that they will not be able to face each other until its already going to pass it. like on a fan blade that when its going to passby or over it wil be going to fast to do anything but keep going
You are a little distance from the chambered nautilus with the pull string but still interesting. Thanks!
if you have a reed switches on the side of the disk and move slightly the main magnet with an electric actuator, you can do it even mechanically with some modifications, you could move the main magnet when there are the death points between magnets that slow down the wheel ... it should work
Yes, it would become an unconventional electric motor with output power somewhat less than the average power consumed by the electric actuator.
@@drienkm not if you do it mechanically as I did
It's like getting two hydrogen atoms to fuse together but with the magnets you have to spin it so fast that it takes off on its own . If you don't spin it fast enough at the beginning it won't work.
It's impossible for Nikola Tesla too but his fans John, Lucas, Marcus and Mathew posted his wonders into the internet 70 years later anyways.
all you need to do is have a powerful magnet in a middle, like a sun then have around with different magnets starting with a low straight magnet up to 90% of the straight magnet that is in middle. at least 12 magnets need it. that way one magnet pushes another magnet and the middle magnet stabilizes all together. That way you will have a infinity rotation without interruption.
It seems to me that the stationary magnet should be geared to come closer to the moving magnets as they pass by (Moving away from the attracting pole of the moving magnet and moving closer to the opposing poles)
Was thinking the same. This could be achieved by putting gears with appropriate ratios on the axles spinning the magnets (the rotating disk and the stationary).
Understanding why a magnet engine can’t work is easy. You need to use a force from your hands in order to get a magnet closer to an other one. When you release the magnet, the same force is released and can do something like turning a disc. Friction and other forces is taking energy and you will not have the same force to get a magnet closer to the other one for the next movement. At the end the movement will stop by itself. Using a magnet is like using a spring or gravity, you can’t create energy, you need to add it at the beginning of the process :-)
What about using a piece underneath that spins the magnets on the disk that then spins them ever so slightly enough to make them repel and attract at the appropriate times. Or using an electro magnet that pulses right when the magnets pass it instead of constant energy of a permanent magnet?
I agree. I was thinking a cam gear that just redirects the pushing magnet’s force at the appropriate time in the cycle. Like ignition timing on a vehicle.
Try using just 3 magnets on the spinner and hold the push magnet in your hand and moving your wrist up and down to notice how little wrist movement it takes to generate very high rates of spin..then design your holder to imitate your wrist movement by having the spinners centrifugal force carry a small magnet to move the push magnet up and down. Also even if it is not perpetual doesnt mean it's not useful. Imagine a actual bicycle wheel with this setup. Very little leg muscle to yield faster and easier pedaling.
EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE ...UNTIL SOMEONE BELIEVES IT'S NOT.
Case in point the ignition research facility at Livermore California.
Good luck
no perpetomobile has ever worked.
Good test!
Thx!
Nice Video, lets think about a next Spot. Maybe its possible to lift the Pushmagnet everytime when the new Magnet on the Rotaryplate enters the Magnetfield of the Pushmagnet to reduce the negativ Energy and when it passes a special point the Pushmagnet fall back in to the optimal position. or Place a Material between Pushmagnet and nearer comming Magnet which damps / neutralize the Magnetfield. *sorry for my bad English its a little bit rusty* ;)
for exampel1: to avoid frictionloss place magnets under the Spining wheel which between the Magnets to made a simple magnetic Crankshaft which lift the Pushmagnet just bevor the new Magnetfield take effekt with the pushmagnet magneticfield and can create a negativ Energy, then after the new magnet passes the Pushmagnet, the pushmagnet fall down to normal position and give the magnet new pushing Energy.
Add a shield to reduce the pull on the return side. Like a copper tube or lead over the fixed magnet.
I’m thinking. On that disk, cut a thicker one. Add wood screws onto it and place the magnets onto it. That way they’ll align to the larger magnet and synchronize.
Very good videos, thank you.
Add a spring lever to the push magnet, so that it bounces with spring inertia
The most successful experiments I've seen seem to have a combination of magnetic, stored kinetic and gravity energies.
What I use a magnet which pushes it instead of attracting it. 🤔
If the horseshoe magnet is positioned correctly, it does not affect the other magnetic pole, if it does, it can be deflected with an iron plate.... Half-skin arc magnet Etc
For success you need to focus magnetic field or isolate it so that opposite fields could interact only in one way/direction. It could be performed by superconductor or with switching stator magnetic field. Only then it could work :)
U might also block magnetic lines by a piece of copper or aluminium, while magnet is approaching stationary magnet, the release the aluminum plate so magnetism pushes.
You then need to justify energy needed to push in and out the aluminium plate on each cycle, it should not work but might be fun !
The magnet on the left should be designed to have a on & off switch. As the spinning magnet wheel moves away from the standing magnet, turn the standing magnet off. The spinning magnet will not slow because the standing magnet is not pushing or pulling the spining magnet. Turn the standing magnet back on right before the spinning magnet is parallel to the standing magnet.
Bingo. And you would have a motor (and you would need an energy source)
The energy required to toggle that magnet on and off electrically or mechanicaly is more than what it can generate,
What if you bounced the larger magnet after you spun it on like a Teterboro tottering would it bounce enough to keep it going?
Rotate the magnets on the wheel 90 degrees clockwise and insulate the non repelling poles.
Wow, this was really good.
Thinking about directing the magnetic field, perhaps encasing the opposing pole and sides of all the magnets might yeild a better result.
Put two magnets on one side facing north and on the other side put one magnets facing south all three should be separate, the principal is you will have more force pushing than pulling and try putting the magnets a little closer or just experiment to see what works best.
The disadvantage is that you use this design of magnets and must be placed in another way
Longer magnets, angled more and find a material that can isolate the inner end of your disc magnets to keep that force from reaching back and trying to brake action your momentum.
You should take this set up and expand on the outside. If you arranged more big magnets around the outside it could keep it going? Have an even amount of equally spaced magnets inside. Have an odd amount of big magnets not evenly spaced around the outside. There should be a magnet pulling at all times while another is trying to lock. And with it not equally distributed it can't find that central locking spot. If that doesn't work flip the inside to be odd and the outside to be even.
I had already thought about this idea, but I didn't know how to look for it😅
what meterials shields a magnetic field? Cause if you can cancel the negative atraction out?
A genuine honest attempt 10/10
I've been trying to get something like that going for 40 years and I still haven't come close. The true force you can never get over on earth is gravity, so a mechanism needs you use gravity as well to propell it, I think.
Do you want to get movement from fixed magnets?
Nice educative video. Thank you. If some how that stationary magnetic is made to rotate as well around its vertical axis in such a synchronistic speed so that it doesn't work against the rotating disc and stop it. What do you think? Does that can have any impact?
That is exactly what I was going to suggest; 2 identical disks with just 7 magnets evenly spaced in a similar orientation and mechanically connected so that they turn at the same speed. Then it MIGHT be just a matter of timing their rotations so that magnets are directly opposing each other at their closest encounter. (Or some slight deviation from that position) The thinking is that there would be less resistance to rotate into position while the magnets are offset and conversely less attraction to the dwell position which is stopping the current attempt. Using just 7 magnets allows room for the magnets to rotate into position during the gap in magnetic field force.
@@LarrySerflaten Pretty fun problem for our engineering brains to chew on! The thing is, laws of nature are so reliable, that you can be very confident in the following without knowing details: No matter what arrangement of permanent magnets are attached to or near a spinney thing, the torque from them, averaged with respect to rotational position, will be zero. If you could measure the torque accurately at many equal position intervals (say 3,600 positions or 1/10°) you would find that while each concept may have different interesting patterns of torque variation, it always averages zero. You can concentrate pulls and and spread out pushes or whatever, but nothing you do with permanent magnets can make the average not zero.
Now if you add a switched magnet or moving magnet, you now have a way of adding energy to the spinney thing, and you have a motor.
It would be necessary to try with a stator composed of N+1 or N-1 of the number of the rotor to create a permanent imbalance.
Congratulations on the video. You could use a metal bar between the outside magnet and the wheel magnets to redirect the magnetic fields.