What is the Conjunction of the Spheres?
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2023
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A linguistic remark concerning the meaning of conjunction in Polish, the language the series were written in: conjunction (koniunkcja) has only two meanings in Polish: it is either the logical connection in a sentence (meaning 1 in the video), or the astronomy one (meaning 3). For the second meaning there is a separate Polish word: współwystępowanie.
For a native speaker of Polish, "koniunkcja sfer" sounds clearly like an alignment of the spheres/worlds/planets that allowed for them to interconnect. In the Polish fandom understanding the spheres as separate world or alternative universes is a given.
this is very insightful! thank you for sharing that knowledge :)
This is honestly one of the most helpful comments I've ever read on CZcams, thank you for sharing!
yeah, I always imagined it as alternate dimensions, was surprised someone thought as it as of planets
@@piotrwegrzyniak5798That's essentially the same thing on a practical level, in fantasy.
@@citizen_grub4171 nah, it's like the difference with eg Oblivion gates in The Elder Scrolls vs planets getting really close to each other
I like how the Unseen Elder in Witcher 3 is waiting at the "gate" he came through. A seemingly omnipotent vampire who's only goal is to wait for another conjunction so he can cross through the gate and get back home.
What’s another 1000+ years wait for an immortal vampire, right? Can’t help but feel bad for the guy
Maybe vampires against ciri in witcher 4?
As a Pole who grew up on The Witcher before the games or series were created, I appreciate your video very much and hope for more. The Witcher books really have a lot to offer. Sapkowski knows what he's doing.
People always miss this most important of details: the Conjunction did not bring "humans and monsters". It brought monsters, of which humans are one species. Humans are arguably the most disastrous creatures to arrive on the Continent.
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As are Elves
@@adamoneil5317 The elves didn't arrive via the conjunction; which sets them apart as non-monstrous. However they aren't native to the planet. In general they're a dynamic group: they have the potential to be monsters, if that's how they choose to behave.
I find it funny the most Dangerous monsters in this universe are higher vampires.. and they seam to be the only truly civilized. Race. 😆 🤣 Love me so Reagus
Would love to see a video talking about Geralts time riding with the wild hunt as mentioned in the 3rd game, even if it is only game cannon
Witcher has mostly fun content, its interesting seeing you dive into it the same way you would do to Tolkiens work. Good video
Edit: that goddamn Berserk clip almost gave me a heart attack.
Props to Geek for having to endure another beloved series go down in flames.
It was always shit bro.
@@tuulenkoti I came here to say this. Bravo. Games were THE shit though.
Let's hope the ME trilogy doesn't get similarly raped by TV.
@@ezra3776 *grabs the Asarian lube*
@@ezra3776 mass effect was already ruined the day EA bought BioWare. The funny thing is Mass Effect seems like it was made to be able to make a Star Trek game without the license. Then EA bought it and Abramsed it up a year after Abrams Abramsed up Star Trek.
I'm starting to feel like there's a global conspiracy to just make everything as dumb as shit.
I like it all;
But I’m on a lot of drugs.
In one of the books I remember a dwarf talking to Geralt about how elves came over and got stranded during the conjunction as well. They are originally from the dimension Ciri gets stuck in. The one where the unicorns help her escape. They just came a few hundred years before the humans.
Basically, the Conjunction of the Spheres is what happened in Ghostbusters, only it was men who came through instead of Gozer, and the portal opened over fantasy medieval Poland.
Multiverse confirmed 😂
The conjunction is referred to in books as CATACLYSM so it may hint at it being simply natural phenomenon, the Lady of the Lake book reveals the most, apparently the Conjunction of the Spheres somehow ACTUALLY MULTIPLIED the number of exisitng worlds!! And once it passed, the stable portal the great Gate of Worlds, Ard Gaeth was closed, so it was so shattering to the multiverse that the travel between worlds was restricted by it! Apparently before Conjunction travel between worlds was far FAR EASIER:
"''Your hairy ancestors,' the elf continued, shaking the straw in the bowl, 'quickly learned to use their opposable thumb and rudimentary intelligence. With their help they did different things, usually as ridiculous as terrible. What I mean to say is that, if anything that your ancestors created was not terrible, then it was ridiculous.'
Another bubble followed the first then another.
'We, Aen Elle, we cared very little about the deeds of your ancestors, we unlike the Aen Seidhe, our cousins, we left that world a long time ago. We chose another universe, more interesting. In that time, it will surprise you, it was possible to move freely from one world to another quite easily. With some talent and practice, that is. I have no doubt that you understand what I mean.'
Ciri was intrigues, but remained silent, aware that the elf was teasing. She did not want to facilitate the task.
Auberon Muircetach smiled. He turned around. On his neck was a golden torc - a symbol of the ruler, known in the elder speech as a torc'h.
'Mire, luned.'
Again he blew lightly into the straw while gently swaying. A fan of smaller bubbles soared into the air.
'The worlds were like these bubbles,' he hummed. 'So, it was, so it was... We told ourselves, what's the difference, we will stay here a little while, then there a little while, so what if the stupid Dh'oine insist on destroying themselves and the world? We'll go somewhere else, to another bubble...'
Under his burning gaze, Ciri nodded and licked her lips. The elf smiled again, and blew his bubbles again, this time so that the straw formed a large cluster of smaller bubbles and joined to each other.
'Then came the Conjunction,' the elf raised his straw laden with bubbles. 'The number of worlds increased. But the door closed. It was closed to all but a handful of elected people. And the clock was ticking. We needed to open the door. Urgently. It was imperative. Do you understand that word?' " Witcher, The Lady of the Lake
The Aen Seidhe also according to Yarpen Zigrin were not native to the continent of the witcher world but arrived on white ships long before humans, Nordlings did in similar manner :).
"Elves!' snorted Yarpen. 'They - to be accurate - happen to be strangers just as much as you humans, although they arrived in their white ships a good thousand years before you. 're all brothers, now they're grinning and saying: "we, kinsmen", "we, the Elder Races". But before, shi- Hm, hm... Before, their arrows used to whistle past our ears when we -" Witcher, Blood of Elves
It's sphering time
Thank you, Robert, for a new Witcher video!
Looking forward to more.
Even with Cavill , "The Witcher" / Netflix's Witcher-verse has its issues. But without him / in the post-Cavill era the Netflix Witcher-verse could be scarily bad if "The Witcher : Blood Origin" is any indication. I could barely make it through those few episodes.
Brother I couldn’t even make it past the first half of the first episode of blood origins , complete garbage!
@@mite2531 really was horrendous , that universe in terms of Netflix's adaptations of "The Witcher" content (not the books or games) seems like its in a death spiral. Just getting worse and worse, Blood Origin was absolutely terrible and "The Witcher" S3 was really quite bad as well. Now take one of the only bright spots out of this dross , Cavill , i'd expect an even steeper rapid decline.
Great video! Love playing in The witches world as a TTRPG.
I had come to much the same conclusions you have after reading what I could.
On one hand I fully understand being interested in the lore of Witcher per se. On the other I know that Sapkowski has attitude like if there is a river in the book, and someone tells him: "there is inconsistency with a river in according to info from one book that river should be much more further away" he doesnt care because it's a detail that changes nothing in the story. Sapkowski is not Tolkien, he is kinda the opposite. He makes only that much world that is necessary for the story. That's why there were never an official map of the Witcher world by him. He doesnt care of such details. Especially that a lot of his work is playing with convention: transformed legends, quotes from real world but changes "Indian" to "Elf" etc
Heh yeah, that's how he is...and then suddenly he can go on a tangent a la Tolkien...like summarizing the history of Kovir and Poviss, he does as much worldbuilding as he needs for the current narrative purpose. The use of the cultural influences, inspirations is a big thing as well, I mean everything from classical fairy tales, Grimm brothers, Andersen, French fairy tales (and general French influence on places like Toussaint), Slavic, Norse, Germanic, Celtic, real world folklore and mythology that is reworked in his fictional world etc. historical references, some as obscure as the in-universe book by voivode Bronibor (voivde itself being slavic office title for those not knowing) "Przewagi Elearów Redańskich" tranaslated as The Victorious Deeds of Redania's Gallant Cavalrymen being callback to historical book Przewagi Elearów Polskich :) and so on and on.
Its one of the things I love and hate about the witcher. On the one had its very easy to read since you dont have to know any lore. You know who geralt is, you know what geralt knows, thats it. But on the other it makes things like the conjunction hard to follow and understand since there isnt any lore or full explanation about it
@@b.w.9392 I think it's just "accept you'll never now". Just like there is a story of the flood in the Bible and more generally in the middle east (probably further), and scientists still wonder what was that event? Was it one single event or are those many events that eventually merged? When it happened etc. I even heard the theory that the base of it is melting of glaciars and the rising of sea level after it when indeed people could get flooded in many instandes.
Similar the conjunction - it is supposed to be half legendary, without really good explanation. In fact it is more realistic than being able to explain everything
I believe things just started appearing without no reason. Like imagine finding yourself in a field of wheat, then you blink, all of sudden you’re in a field of waterlilies.
We need more videos from the Witcher 🔥
Thanks for doing a Witcher video, loved it!
More witcher content please.
I feel like you’d enjoy the dragon age universe. Games, books, ttrpg, Netflix show, the lore is rich and deep and it’s my favourite. :)
Definitely
I interprete the conjunction of the Spheres as a fantastic interpretation of that common superstition of medieval times that told that when the moon and the sun crossed, bad things happened...
Old woman speaking here to give context. I tried to watch the show but just couldn't get into it. In particular the female characters were just annoying. However went onto reviews to see what if anything I was missing. So thought I'd give the books a try. Now hooked on the books, which are fantastic. ALL characters so interesting and I want to know their story and find out what happens next. Thank you for these videos which give go into depth and help me understand the stories even more.
quality content as always
Sad to know the tv series is gonna die without Cavill.
Enjoyable discussion. I don't know the games, but I'm not clear if it's known that transfer of beings during the conjunction was strictly one-way. And if multiple worlds were involved, that could explain how monsters came into our world as well, from wherever they are originally from. Not to mention a few elves and dwarves coming here too!
The Interpenetration of Spheres is my preferred translation :p
Great video mate! Just out of curiosity; is there a reason a number of the pictures you've used (shots from Blood Origin, pictures of Andrzej Sapkowski) have a grainy/painterly filter? Is that something to do with potential copyright or video flagging? I have no idea how these things work, I've just never noticed it in your videos before. Though I admit, I'm usually an audio listener. Cheers, always appreciate the great content!
We need a video on the monoliths & blood origin.
If possible I would love a background check or theory on what is the history of the different Witcher schools. The Viper School, the cat School, the bear School, the Griffin school etc.
What chances are there that we will ever get "The Traveller's Guide to Middle-Earth?"
The Great Conjunction brought the urSkeks to the world of Thra in The Dark Crystal as well. Though the conjunction there was the the aligning of three Suns.
I would love to see a video on Falka. She seems like Elf Hitler, but I don't really understand how she relates to Ciri, aside from just adding confusion about the Elder Bloodlines.
Some Witcher content I’ll always welcome that
The Eclipse in Berserk will ALWAYS be unnerving to me. Love it the way it looks, hate the dread it instills.
Talking about blood origin, it also showed how the first Witcher was born. (Correct me if I'm wrong) *Spoilers for Netflix The Witcher Blood Origin*
Éile had a baby with Fjall. But after Fjall became monster and his nerves got corrupted. Éile was elven. Their baby was a mix of elven and the monster blood which means the baby could was powerful but could control itself. The Éile's baby was what I think the first Witcher
Ya know what this, this is what I wish would happen right now, I wish for The Conjunction of the Spheres to take place
Finally some more Witcher lore
Thank you for the game spoiler warning! I've been putting off playing it for too long.
Correct about the Monoliths
Basically harmonic convergence from The Legend of Korra but more massive
Conjunction Junction what's your functionnn
Nothing from any Netflix Show will ever be canon and thats a good thing
Except it is canon. Specifically, it is its own canon - a reimagining.
We could argue all day over whether the Netflix changes are good or not, but the fact is that retelling a story in a different medium and/or by different people will always lead to changes in the story.
Blood origin did a halfway irritating way of explaining it. I always felt it was like planeswalking like magic the gathering. Things just meld together, people and animals wondering, "Where the hell am I?"
What I'd like to know is this conjunction are these other planets like saying the same galaxy or are they parallel realities
The role of thes monoliths in the tv shows is so insane! Why the heck did they make those up!? I mean the monoliths in that sense were not even a thing in the witcher books, sure there are monolithic stones, standing stones, obelisks, and so on in the witcher world, as these megalithic structures are known to appear throughout Europe and those cultural influences were big part of the witcher universe worldbuilding, but they NEVER had this significance in books. The closest thing is the stone placed on the veins of magical energy! :) But it has nothing to do with the stuff in the show hehe. Perosnally I would not conflate the lore of the books and more or less faithful games with that of the netflix tv show, since the two have irrevocable differences in their very core :).
Would love to see more Witcher book content, can't find much about
Did the prequel not imply that the Elves arrived from a Conjunction and replace the dwarves and gnomes, like the humans this last time?
Elves are originally from another world, but they've been on the Continent for a LONG time.
Love The Witcher universe especially the books, though i’m not a fan of the Netflix show too many changes to the story that doesn’t seem to respect the source material. Tend to tune out the lore of that show unconsciously tbh lmao
Are these Spears are they actually other planets say in the same galaxy or are they parallel realities like parallel Earth
So what you're saying is, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but...ignore any added lore from the TV series.
*Ignore the TV series
The conjunctivitis of peers
So did all the spheres merge or did just the humans and monster travel to the elve realm
The realm? Do you know what the realm is? It's the conjunction of many worlds a story that we agreed to tell each other over and over till we forget that it's a Lie.
I D G !!!!!
6.51 yeah that's a picture of an eclipse all right...
Great.
The conjunction of the spheres was when every popular franchise collided with Netflix and all of the characters genders, races, and basic details where changed.
Robert, love your work but one small remark as a person from Poland. Please do use either Polish version Andrzej or English version Andrew, cause the one you are using (Andrei) is Russian so i don't think it applies when someone is speaking in English about Polish person
Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears,
Men reckon what it did, and meant;
But trepidation of the spheres,
Though greater far, is innocent
John Donne
Could you possibly do a video about Dragon Age and the mages who broken into the golden city that sits in "The Fade"? The Fade is a dreamscape that (I believe) only magic users can properly traverse. The Maker, the god of that universe was supposed to reside there in the golden city, but upon the city being breached by the mages, The Maker left, the city turned black, and the mages were cursed becoming the first Archdemons.
Now do the one from Ravenloft. Heck just do Ravenloft history.
It reminds me of Thor: Dark World. The Convergence and the Conjuction is way too similar in my opinion.
The English author Michael Moorcock had a concept in his novels called the "Conjunction of the Million Spheres": a cosmic cataclysm where worlds and universes merge, and the laws of reality are in upheaval. To me, there's no way Sapkowski wasn't influenced
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Maybe someday a conjunction will bring a good and fateful adaptation of the Witcher books from another world. Because I've lost all hope that happening here.
Its when my ass meets the toillet seat
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So theres still an earth out there and its still separated but humans were magically teleported here ?
It's increasingly obvious that the word "ancient" either refers to the elves' pre-Earth history, or in the American way, that is, a mere few centuries.
This is very unlike Middle Earth, which spans about 10,000 years, or ASoIaF, that spans even longer, or even The Elder Scrolls, that spans multiple cycles of the universe's existence.
Kinda disappointing, actually.
Blood origin is goofy as hell
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Blood origin isn't canon
I enjoy it for what it is. Is it the books? Yes and no. People need to eat some fiber or take a laxative and relax.
For the algorythm.
Hey Robert, I love watching your videos! I'm always finding something new about my beloved worlds and stories. One complaint though. When it comes to reflect on The Witcher world, why are you even taking into account these poorly written, poorly directed and shitting on source material Netflixe's abominations? :D
One of the all time failures. Top 5 at least
The show is fucked without Henry Cavil
The absolute most important piece of Witcher media are the video games. The Witcher wouldn't even be popular without them and they did the material way better than the show. Why do you only mention the books and show?
Don't include Blood Origins in any cannon. That thing is just a bunch of bull CZcams.
We'll look at the ships that appear they didn't have no cannons on them and we know that ships had cannons even in the Tudor days much less a ship from the age of sail or a World War I ship even my God thank you for World War I share for a aircraft carrier battle group would have appeared they would have been going to take over pretty easy if it was an aircraft carrier battle group and they would have had enough people to to repopulate you know there's like $6,000 on the aircraft carrier alone and I probably would have been enough females there wouldn't have been enough females for every male but there would have been enough so that the human race could you know could colonize that world and they wouldn't so much need magic cuz I have guns we have the small arm from the ships and have all the equipment and so they can start you know making you know reloading bullets and you know making gunpowder they have they have enough equipment that they could you know scan the local to try to create some kind of form of gunpowder might not be as good as modern maybe they have to go back to black powder or something
I stopped reading the Witcher books once I realized how much of the lore is either unexplored or unexplained.
The world of the games was so interesting I could wait to learn more. I began reading them to get in-story details that the games left to mystery.
But, all I got was a much different characterization of Geralt, unsatisfying relationships and boring plots (all just my opinion).
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I tried watching the show, I threw up a little.
A lame plot device to justify the monster mash?
It's more background lore than plot device
I was looking forward to this until I saw you include the ridiculously terrible Netflix show in the canon.
Please ignore the shows in discussions of lore. All the Netflix work is abominable.
Needless video. Witcher Blood Origin covered this perfectly and there is really nothing else to say about it.
Earth is flat. Planet means moving star not realm of existence... earth is flat.
Interesting theory, but I'll trust my own eyes thanks.